My teacher says you are ignorant if you arnt open to others perception.

I say your ignorant if you dont back up and fight for your perception.

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So, perception is a weird topic. But its really complex if you think really hard. such as 1+1=2 is what most of you would say. I say 1+1=1. Why? Because it is. 1 is no more and no less a symble, so is one. Saying it makes no diffrence, because its just a sound. So, what is it? 1+1=2 or 1+1=1? Thinking about it wont help, because you use inverbal words to say in your head "1+1=2" or what ever...

Really weird, but I just want to know peoples perception on things, and how others affect it in negative or good ways.

depends on how you are looking at the one
the original labeling is thought as a 1x + 1x = 2x (the x is just to show relationship) But i guess you could think of it as one lover plus one lover equals one family. RD, you explained why your thought process is not wrong, but is that the same as explaining why it's right? I get where you are coming from, yeah you are completely right; it's all on what 1 means in your mind. But you say 1 + 1 =1, what does one mean to you?

I percieve this thread to be completely useless because of it's vagueness. Argue about perception? That's even more futile than arguing about opinions; they're easier to change. People are more stubborn about perception. That's how they see things. It's silly.

All numbers and letters and sounds are just a symble standing for somthing that isnt comprahendable. I never said I was right, but Im not going to jump to a conclusion that im wrong. My answere of 1 could stand for your answere of what ever. A 1 to me could be a 4 to someone else, but your 1 could be a 6 to me.

But then, when someone reads my post, they might not get the same idea of what I intend for the readers to get. Their perception tell them im saying one thing, but I really mean one thing.

My idea could easly fit into how religions start, but dont start a religion chat here. Heres an example of what I mean. I show you a blob of ink, one person may see one thing, and another will see somthing else. One may be right, and the other may be wrong. They accuse each other of being wrong, and at the end they see the same thing, but used diffrent words to describe it. Words are evil.

You need to more specific if you are going to use such a vague question like "1+1=1". That could mean anything. Binary code, metric, Dewey, it all just depends And I agree with Pyramus, this is a redundant topic.

Well, fine! Ill drop my 1+1=1 example..

But heres another example. I give you an image, and what do you see?
http://www.karinkuhlmann.de/DigitalWorlds/abstract9/japgarden/japanese_garden-abstract-art.jpg

Colorful hairy feathers, or colorful feather's with hair.

Now this is more like it.

I see autumn leaves falling. Or perhaps a bird feather. But because I'm not going to back up and fight for that you'll say I'm ignorant? That doesn't make sense.

Edit: I can see this going more into everyday chatter than general discussion if we're just going to post what we see and not talk about it.

A shed

I see a Hen feather.

And Pyramus, I ment it is ignorant to accsept others opinon as your own before you will stand up for your own opion.

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Now, can you explain why some of us got diffrent answeres? One got a shed, one got a leaf..

i see peices of hair on the floor of a Barber shop...coloerful hair

I see a Hen feather.

And Pyramus, I ment it is ignorant to accsept others opinon as your own before you will stand up for your own opion.

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Now, can you explain why some of us got diffrent answeres? One got a shed, one got a leaf..
But you already explained this - different people have different perceptions.

-1 Redundant.

But why? Thats why. I made this thread to find out why, and also to post images and ask what you see :D

And Pyramus, I meant that it is ignorant to accept others' opinons as your own before you will stand up for your own opion.

Doesn't sound like that here:


I say your ignorant if you dont back up and fight for your perception.

But that's okay.

Why do people have different perceptions? Because we're not all clones or robots, we have free will, we're different people, etc.

Diffrent people, and we have free will. But that still doesnt mean we see things diffrently.

I put a donkey in front of everyone, Everyone should see a donkey. Yet I put a painting in front of everyone, and we get diffrent answeres to what it is...Why?!

You see a donkey, I see an ass.

It's because we're different people.

I know! Im just saying, why do people see diffrent things with one image, but the same with another?

Because it depends on the image! The image you posted was very vague. There would not have been a specific answer, unless you told us. It was a part of a whole picture. Just like if you showed the donkey's hoof, who would know it was as donkey's? Some might think it was a horse's...

Okay, you explained that. But know this. Why do people see diffrently? I know you will say "BECAUSE THEIR DIFFRENT PEOPLE!!!1!! IM SHA N00B" but that doesnt cut it. Diffrent minds may think alike, but then why do other diffrent minds think diffrently?....Im boing so vauge here X=

NOTE: Do not take the n00b thing harsh..I just wanted to add it X=

Since I'm such a critic, I will put this in a spoiler tag so only people who want to read this will.
This topic is really hard to draw a conclusion on, since perception varies greatly. We don't need to bother with perception until we have to, which as of now doesnt really need to be discussed to great lengths. What is the purpose? Why create such a thing where all ideas do not meet at a certain point, and many ideas and theories fly around?

My saying goes, we might see things from a different view (perception), but whatever it is we must stick with until the end. We might not know why today, or tomorrow, but we will find out eventually or not. Dont boggle your mind to a point as we are now.

I just love the way you keep reposting the same goddamn question. :p

Edit: Yeah to Hiei, except that the point of debate is to learn from other people's opinions. This thread, however, is a thread about people's opinions on ... opinions. It's a step further back than is discussable.

Is your question seriously going to be, "Why do differerent minds think differently?"

My teacher says you are ignorant if you arnt open to others perception.

I say your ignorant if you dont back up and fight for your perception.

Well, let me take this step by step. When I looked at the picture, the first thing I consciously noticed were pretty colours (I tend to go for colours and notice them). Then I noticed the shapes. I thought they might be hair, or feathers. Did I see hair? No. Did I see feathers? No. What I saw was something that I could associate with both hair or feathers (down, to be exact), but I couldn't associate 1:1 (though, the hair association was stronger).

Now, since I quite liked the picture. And since the most prominent aspect of the picture, to me, is colour, anyway, I don't feel the need to interpret this as either "hair" or "feathers". Now, if either "hair" or "feathers" played an important role in my life, say, if I was a hairdresser, or if I was allergic to feathers, then I might see only "hair", or only "feathers", because my brains are preoccupied with one or the other. Different experiences create a different set of associations; this is why people have different associations.

Recently, I went to a zoo. A baby, carried by Mommy, saw an Oryx antelope and spontaneously said "cow". You can't expect the baby to say "oryx", because it won't have seen one before (and because the sound pattern is still too complicated, but that's besides the point). Now, the parents didn't correct it at that point, but if they did, what should the baby have done? Be open to their parents perception of the world, or defend its own?

See, to be open to other perceptions does not mean to actually agree with the conclusions. It merely suggests acknowledging different sets of experiences/relevance patterns. Because there's a lot of things we miss out on, on our own.

Personally, I side with your teacher. There may be a few instances, when you don't have the time to work out other people's perceptions. But these are times when the need to act overrides the need to learn.

Conversly, I think that you should only stick up for your own perception when it's important to do so; otherwise, you lose out on opportunities to learn.