So many television programs, newspaper and magazine articles tend to portray teenagers as drug obsessed, sex dependant, loud obnoxious “kids”, who do nothing but destroy the community.

What do you think? Is it true, or is there a more civilised side to teenagers? And is it just a small percentage of imbeciles that give the majority of us a bad image and name?

It's 'cuz, like, noone understandzus!!!

No, really, I think it's because that's the stereotypical teenager. And, hell, I know that I can be obnoxious and anti-social. But people tend to nit pick with the bad stuff instead of seeing the good shining through.

Ah, yeah, and chavs. They're pretty bad. They're probably what gives the really bad name.

i would like to point out that a vast majority of robbers, rapists, serial killers, dictators, and mayhem makers are NOT teenagers. they are uh, lets see.... ADULTS!!!! and we get the bad rap? what a load of bull.

Do you really want to know the reason why?

Well when you grow old and haggard like your granny/grandpa/whatever, you blame teenagers for everything because they're jealous of their youth!

On a more serious note, when you grow older, you realise that teenagers are really that stupid and think they know it all. Problem is when you're an adult, you still think you know it all, so basically, everyone's stupid. The point is, even if you think you know it all, your parents are more likely to know more than you do anyway so stop complaining. A high percentage of teenagers are imbeciles (although the majority of them are chavs anyway). Just look at your younger brother or sister or cousin and you can tell they are way too influenced by their friends having to be cool and all. Isn't your friend always complaining that they havent got a girlfriend/boyfriend? Obviously there are exceptions, but club's wouldn't prosper without underage teens doing what they do with fake IDs.

i would like to point out that a vast majority of robbers, rapists, serial killers, dictators, and mayhem makers are NOT teenagers. they are uh, lets see.... ADULTS!!!! and we get the bad rap? what a load of bull.

Oh yeah, I would like to point out that the vast majority of HUMANITY are not teenagers. they are uh, lets see....ADULTS!!!!

Of course you don't see as much of the teenage crime on the news 1. because they are minors and therefore have more rights to privacy and 2. because they don't quite have the means to pull the big celebrity crimes that show up on the news anyways. Teenagers normally pull a graffitti stunt here, or a burglary here, because it's easy for them.

Do you think any teenager could possibly convince a whole country to bend down under his dictatorship!?! That would almost surely be impossible.

mayhem makers - Usually a disproportionate amount of rioters consist of the teenage-early twenties group as they are much more prone to changing the system and fighting 'the man.'

Now I'm sorry if I came on harsh. I am a fellow teenage too, but I've seen some stupid things pulled by people in our age group. Just this morning at 5:30 AM some idiot decided it would be cool to get back at some guy by blowing up fireworks in front of his dorm room door. Needless to say, the entire building had to wait outside for a couple hours for the firemen to assess the fire damage, the police to perform an investigation, and for the couple idiots to be shackled and hauled to the police station. Now I am not expecting to even see much of anything on the local news about 2 kids being charged with arson and assault. I wouldn't have known at all unless I had been sleeping in the room 4 doors down from where they blew the explosives.

I think the media here portrays teenagers slightly unfairly; then again; when I was 8 I hated teenagers so what can I say? :)

i would like to point out that a vast majority of robbers, rapists, serial killers, dictators, and mayhem makers are NOT teenagers. they are uh, lets see.... ADULTS!!!! and we get the bad rap? what a load of bull.

Ha! I've only read two of your points, and I've agreed with both so far. Haha!

Yeah, we're definately protrayed unfairly these days. I mean, you can't go anywhere with your friends without getting odd glares from people! One of my favorite conversations I've heard between adults:
Look at them! How many are there?
S***, I'd say ten or twelve(Ha! more like six or seven)
Yeah, they act like wolves, and travel like wolves. And to think they're our future.

LMAO! Stupid old men! And they were out there smoking cigarettes, holding beer bottles, and looking nasty. Now, I will admit, some teens do screw it over for a lot of us, but it's not many of us. It has a lot to do with the adults.

*sigh* adults. They're a blind as someone in the dark and like to put the blame on anything and everything but them. What's this world coming to?

Although i'm a teenagers myself, i do agree with somethings the adults say.

For example, when you do get those little shi* heads who ruin everything, we don't really try stop them. And i do understand it's very hard to stand up to a group of chavs/townies so on, cause they are like a pack of wolves. You pick a fight with one of them, and they all fly at you with their spot incrusted faces, swearing like there's no tomorrow!

But there are the teenagers who are decent! offer seats to the old ppl, don't shout on public transport and spit on the roads, burn and destroy stuff etc.
We say we're like that and that adults treat us unfairly, but we don't show our better sides that often either. so they can only really judge from what they see and read.

I sometimes say that i'm being unfairly labeled, but i personally can be a right idiot in public. I'm not saying the media is right in labeling and stereotyping teenagers, but we need to get our good image across.

when people do bad things, the group they are most associated with are seen as the same, for example suicide bombers have earnt innocent iraqis predudice from ignorant people, after hitler, germans still get stick off idiots.
its the same with chavs, they are teenagers, so all teenagers are seen as troublemakers.

its the same with chavs, they are teenagers, so all teenagers are seen as troublemakers.

So all chavs are troublemakers?

I could argue that - if people do bad things - the group they are most associate with are seen as the same... :think: ;)

Oh, what the hell. The only reason teenagers get a bad reputation is because the bloody parents couldn't keep their own children in check so when they grow up as teenagers they represent the loser majority of all teenagers. And who are the parents who are responsible? Adults. See? The media and whatever crap that represents teenagers terribly are, in the end, adults fault. You can't have an irresponsible teenager without an irresponsible parent. And if you do think that responsible parents actually can have an irresponsible teenager, that's not possible because then that just means the parent is still not being responsible enough. And if it is blamed that whatever bad stuff the teenagers do is the teenagers fault, not so; it's the parents that raised them in the first place.

basically... all people are the same- regardless of age....

just that if you're a teen, your problems are blamed on your age

if you're a teenage girl, you're not allowed to be upset with out it being PMT related

if you're an adult, its your kids/partner

if you're an OAP, it's because you're old and cranky

pretty much the way i see it

Here's the thing, you all talk about how it's the adults who give teens a bad rep. What about you giving some of them a bad rep? :mellow:

Most people are pretty much idiots for much of their life. I agree with Thorn...our shortcomings are just pegged on our age. Not to mention that some teenagers drag everyone else's reputation down to their IQ level.

I also agree with dominate_ze_vorld: Teenagers generally learned their behavior...and the people that usually most influence them are their parents.

But whatever: stereotypes just suck.

I disagree, it's not always the parents. I happen to know this guy who is a real jerk, but I also happen to know that his parents are very well mannered and are polite. :mellow:

I disagree, it's not always the parents. I happen to know this guy who is a real jerk, but I also happen to know that his parents are very well mannered and are polite.

Yes, but even if the parents are really responsible and exact opposite of however bad their teenager turned out, it's still their fault, because they are still responsible for their teenager if they had them. They needed to raise up their kid to not become such a jerk... if that makes sense...

Yes, but even if the parents are really responsible and exact opposite of however bad their teenager turned out, it's still their fault, because they are still responsible for their teenager if they had them

Once upon a time, I had a pet hamster. It died because I was irresponsible and forgot to feed it a couple of days. Does that make me a horrible person? :mellow:


They needed to raise up their kid to not become such a jerk... if that makes sense...

Easier said then done. :mellow:

Once upon a time, I had a pet hamster. It died because I was irresponsible and forgot to feed it a couple of days. Does that make me a horrible person? :mellow:

I hate to say this; but yes. Yes, it does. <_< I know it sounds harsh, but neglect or abuse of a pet is is nothing to laugh at or be proud of. And, no, I don't speak as one who has never done the same. When I was about 8 years old, I severely injured a pet gerbil when I was "playing" quite roughly with it and picked it up one-too-many times by the tail -- and the skin just slid right off the bone. I'll leave the gory details to your imagination, but needless to say I was quite horrified by what I'd done (and even moreso when my mom and sister discovered my crime) and was traumatized for several weeks afterward. (The gerbil lived and, luckily, the flesh and some of the fur eventually grew back.) Does that make me a less horrible person than you? I'd be a fool to claim so, but I did learn from my experience and know that, no matter what other less intelligent and/or thoughtless people have told me, animals *DO INDEED* feel pain. (I also learned that picking small animals up by the tail is a *very* bad idea...)

Put yourself in that hamster's place. How would you feel if *you* were forced to starve to death because no one paid attention to you? Also, What if it hadn't been a hamster? What if it had been *your own child?* Did *you* learn from your mistake?

Logical Inferences:

Whatever a child does is the fault of the parent and their quality of raising that child therefore parents who have bad children should NOT be allowed to reproduce anymore. Since one child is bad, obviously the rest will turn out just as bad.

Second, all children who do not learn in school are the fault of the teachers and school staff - the teachers should be penalized for every failing student, after all it is their fault. I'd say a few heavy fines and miraculously every student will do well in school.

Society should abolish the family since parents have such a hard time raising good children (notice crime rates). But since teachers and school staff can't take care of children anyway (note the second paragraph), having children should not be allowed. After all, the only sure way to be a good parent is to have good children, and the only sure way to have good children is to have none at all.

Ok, so maybe it is not this extreme. Yes, nurture does affect children to an extent, but once that child reaches the point of independent thinking (usually latter primary school age) the child actually does have input into his/her own life. Am I saying people actually think for themselves?!?! Actually I am.

Dominate, your statement that we are merely a product of our environment leads me to say that since we are a product of our environment, our parents are products of theirs and so on, we actually have no right to jail criminals or anything of the sort. The blame solely rests on the one celled organism that we all evolved from, we can't help it if we shoplift that store on the corner.

Logical Inferences:

Whatever a child does is the fault of the parent and their quality of raising that child therefore parents who have bad children should NOT be allowed to reproduce anymore. Since one child is bad, obviously the rest will turn out just as bad.

Second, all children who do not learn in school are the fault of the teachers and school staff - the teachers should be penalized for every failing student, after all it is their fault. I'd say a few heavy fines and miraculously every student will do well in school.

flawed logic here, your first statement in alot of the most disruptive students is true. we had one girl slap her teacher, teacher shouted at her to get out (not swearing). student was then suspended. mother came in next day and said (almost word for word). 'Dat bitch is lying, she'd never hit a teacher *kiss's teeth sound* where is she. she deserves a slap'
Back to my point. teachers arent to blame as the parents are still to blame for thier poor behaviour.



Society should abolish the family since parents have such a hard time raising good children (notice crime rates). But since teachers and school staff can't take care of children anyway (note the second paragraph), having children should not be allowed. After all, the only sure way to be a good parent is to have good children, and the only sure way to have good children is to have none at all.
as absude as it is i like this one. I dont care about the response but some people shouldnt have kids.



Ok, so maybe it is not this extreme. Yes, nurture does affect children to an extent, but once that child reaches the point of independent thinking (usually latter primary school age) the child actually does have input into his/her own life. Am I saying people actually think for themselves?!?! Actually I am.

i dissagree, while independant thought is possible acting upon it is completely differnt. if you look at group behavoiur in middle school and high school there isnt THAT much independant thought. Students follow the in group and want to be accepted and in school this quite oftern manifests in missbehaviour.

id quote the study but im lazy. ask if you actualy want it

flawed logic here, your first statement in alot of the most disruptive students is true. we had one girl slap her teacher, teacher shouted at her to get out (not swearing). student was then suspended. mother came in next day and said (almost word for word). 'Dat bitch is lying, she'd never hit a teacher *kiss's teeth sound* where is she. she deserves a slap'
Back to my point. teachers arent to blame as the parents are still to blame for thier poor behaviour.

LMAO! how funny is that! that woman (the mother) sounds so cool haha! as much as she is obviously a really bad parent, i couldnt help but laugh :heh:

@ Meer- the parents still have something to do with that guy being a jerk you know... whatever anyone may argue, the parents must take most of the blame.. they're the only ones the kid has known for like 100% of his life.

maybe the kid hates the parents, and doesnt want to be like them so he deliberately went the opposite? i know for a fact that can happen because its what happened to me with my dad. lucky for me, my dad was the total twat so going the exact opposite was a good thing.

suppose to be fair though peers do have a lot of influence, but there is still such thing as free will and its up to the parents to make the kid realise that he/she doesnt have to do anything they dont want to do, and people who try and force you are just as selfish as they try and make you feel for not doing it

@mysterjw - try teaching a class before you even dare to say that mate. If we tried to implement a plan where fining teachers was the way to go, you'd have no teachers. That's more logical.

wow an-kun you have been busy!

[spam]@_@ Jaso, that sounds soooooo wrong.[spam]

LMAO! how funny is that! that woman (the mother) sounds so cool haha! as much as she is obviously a really bad parent, i couldnt help but laugh :heh:
she isnt the worse, parents scare me...
saw a women drunk on the bus, can of guiness in hand. she also had a kid in a buggy, who she was feeding vchips and sauage and shouting at it when it dropped a chip. Is this the start we want for the next generation?

( :music: stupid ppl do stupid things, smart ppl outsmart eachother :music: )

its true that most teens are good normal ppls, and the minority that is obnoxious and destructive and all pretty much tags the rest of the teens with that title. although i personally think and so does my social worker, that i am not normal, and although she has been trying to figure me out for a long time, she is still puzzeled by me and all, so i think, if a social worker who has degrees and stuff in pscycology can't understand me, do you think the rest of the general population would? i do things for a reason and everyone tells me i did it for another reason, or there is no reasoning to what i did, and i try to tell them, but it never works, or they dont have time.

so, what do you think?

Originally Posted by dominate_ze_vorld
They needed to raise up their kid to not become such a jerk... if that makes sense...


Easier said then done.

Babies are not born jerks.


Dominate, your statement that we are merely a product of our environment leads me to say that since we are a product of our environment, our parents are products of theirs and so on, we actually have no right to jail criminals or anything of the sort. The blame solely rests on the one celled organism that we all evolved from, we can't help it if we shoplift that store on the corner.

No, I'm saying you can't help it (shoplifting/criminal activity). That is, if you were taught not to, you probably wouldn't be going around shoplifting, would you? And of course we should still jail criminals. Sure, it was the parents' fault for not raising their kid properly, but that doesn't mean the kid is daft and should be exempt from any type of behavior by just saying, "Well, my parents were like that...". I think bad kids can stem from good-in-all-other-aspects except that of parenting. Some people are just not cut out for it. They can be wealthy or whatever, but if they can't raise their own children properly, it's still their fault, and their children pay for it when they grow up and does something illegal.

Babies are not born jerks.

In certain enviroments it is harder to keep control because of influences around them. Your kid could be sneaking around when you aren't looking and be hanging out with some kids who happen to have drugs on them. You can't keep an eye on them 24/7. :mellow:

@shade

are you of the beleife that you have total control over your body? i dont beleive that yuou can know all thereasonal for all your actions. its possible to lie to yourself and believe it

not really, my control is not perfect, it cant be, there are things i cant control but i wasnt really taking about those, lol what you thought i though i could control if i sweat or not or something? those bodyly functions are not really something that you should control anyways, O.o

when did i say i could countrol my body O.o?

mabe i just have a problem clearely expressing my thoughs -.- and thats causing problems.

In certain enviroments it is harder to keep control because of influences around them. Your kid could be sneaking around when you aren't looking and be hanging out with some kids who happen to have drugs on them. You can't keep an eye on them 24/7.

What kind of parent raises a kid to be sneaking around? I know mine didn't raise me to be that way. Nor any of my other people that I know.

What kind of parent raises a kid to be sneaking around? I know mine didn't raise me to be that way. Nor any of my other people that I know.

You can't always have 100% control of your child, not to mention that everyone can't be perfect like you are. They meet people outside of the house (omfg no way) and get ideas. :mellow:

Some teens do bad things (due to parents, peer pressure, whatever), so they see all teens as bad. It's called being narrow-minded. XD

Oh, what the hell. The only reason teenagers get a bad reputation is because the bloody parents couldn't keep their own children in check so when they grow up as teenagers they represent the loser majority of all teenagers.

First off, no. That is not the only reason that teenagers get a bad reputation. Yes, parents have a huge influence on teenagers, but that doesn't mean if the teenager does something stupid or makes a series of bad choices, it's automatically the parents fault. There are plenty of kids who have good parents but behave poorly.

If you are going to use this logic, then I'm going to use this logic right against you. The only reason we have bad people in the world is because God can't keep his own people in check. It's all God's fault.


And who are the parents who are responsible? Adults. See? The media and whatever crap that represents teenagers terribly are, in the end, adults fault.

And who is the diety that is responsible? God. See? The media and whatever crap that represents followers terribly is, in the end, God's fault.


You can't have an irresponsible teenager without an irresponsible parent.

You can't have an irresponsible follower without an irresponsible God.


And if you do think that responsible parents actually can have an irresponsible teenager, that's not possible because then that just means the parent is still not being responsible enough. And if it is blamed that whatever bad stuff the teenagers do is the teenagers fault, not so; it's the parents that raised them in the first place.

And if you do think thata responsible God actually can have an irresponsible follower, that's not possible because then that just means God is still not being responsible enough. And if it is blamed that whatever bad stuff the followers do is the follower's fault, not so; it's the God that raised them in the first place.

You see? It's easy to shift the blame on to the next person. But you see, here is a huge flaw in your logic. It can't be the parents fault, because if what you say is true that responsible parents would raise a responsible child, then clearly it can be agreed that the parents of the child were not raised responsibly, otherwise, the child would be responsible. And than we take it a step further back. If the child's parent's parents were not responsible, than the child's great grandparents must have been irresponsible. It just keeps going back further and further by your logic.

In other words, by your own logic, that parents of that child can never be irresponsible, because they were raised poorly. And by this logic, the blame can't be put on anyone but the first humans to reproduce. So we now HAVE to assume, since it's always (by your logic) that if it's the parents fault, and so really it's the parents fault of the parent of the parent of the parent (and so forth) all the way back to Adam and Eve, than Adam and Eve acted irresponsibly. (That is, by your Chrisitan belief, of course.)

Now, we know that some people act responsibly and others not so much. Since I know this true, your theory is complete shit, for if responsible people raise responsible children and irresponsible people raise irresponsible children, we should all be irresponsible since Adam and Eve were irresponsible people. But clearly some of us are not, so we can safely concluded that irresponsible parents don't necessarily raise irresponsible children (as seen by the above example), and conversely responsible people don't necessarily raise responsible children.

Meh, I think it's just a stereotype; and what are stereotypes for? To make someone seem better than someone else. This is why I stereotype everyone under "mortals" I know I'm a mortal too so it works out. .... Mortals and their loud music.

Oh yeah, and as far as blame goes...... it's pretty much the kids fault if they truly do the things that make them look bad. You have metaphysical freedom... use it, fuckers.

wow an-kun you have been busy!


um well i ran an anime club at my secondary school and i taught maths to a class but i'm not old enough to be a teacher yet.


[spam] Jaso, that sounds soooooo wrong.[spam]


EH?! what are you thinking?!

I seem to have a different opinion than most people here. In my opinion, most teenagers are idiots. Before anyone says anything, I'm a teenager myself, and I'm not saying all of them are idiots. My opinion may be beased on my experiances with teenagers, my schools, etc.. But so far in my life, I've probably only met about two or maybe even three teenagers that I actually like.

I seem to have a different opinion than most people here. In my opinion, most teenagers are idiots. Before anyone says anything, I'm a teenager myself, and I'm not saying all of them are idiots. My opinion may be beased on my experiances with teenagers, my schools, etc.. But so far in my life, I've probably only met about two or maybe even three teenagers that I actually like.

i can see where you're coming from.... i've not really had that many great experiences with teenagers either to be honest... but with me, i dont see them as idiots... just that 80% feel the need to follow the crowd and give in to peer pressure, and are afraid to break the mold but quick to scorn anyone who does... so maybe "idiot" isn't the best word here... "weak minded" may be better

Well, I don't mean to say that they are 'idiots', but I think most of them like to act like they are. I think they have a lot of potential, but most of them just don't use it.

I think todays teenagers especilly in the United States have been dumbed down, negetive influence, exposed to much violence,sex,drugs on tv. From my knowledge and research the bad people that run this world want to degrade our kids/teenagers into a society where girls get pregnent at a early age, and boys will get hooked on a drugs and do violent acts against other teenagers.

As a asian american when I was a teenager I was exposed to this stuff as well but I never did any of these bad acts. And I think most of my asian friends never did any of this stuff so I kind of feel a little pride. I know in some countrys it could be different then in others. The chavs, goths, bullys, school shooters, "wannabe rapers" have all been influence by this negativ energy put out by the nwo on tv,radio,internet.

You can't always have 100% control of your child, not to mention that everyone can't be perfect like you are. They meet people outside of the house (omfg no way) and get ideas.

One: I never said I was perfect. Nor are the people that I hang around.
Two: It's like you're implying that meeting people "out of the house" turns teenagers bad, and get ideas. So what? Other people meet those same "bad people" but they don't get ideas. What's the difference? Why do some kids who meet the same bad group decide to act like those, and other kids decide not to? I will say though, that if you say it's the kid's free will or own personality to do whatever the hell they want to, disregarding how their parents brought them up, I'll see where you're coming from, but I don't see how someone can be born a follower or someone who decides not to listen to their parents, do drugs, follow the bad crowd, etc. I think Thorn's "weak-minded" description fits better, instead, for all this.


First off, no. That is not the only reason that teenagers get a bad reputation. Yes, parents have a huge influence on teenagers, but that doesn't mean if the teenager does something stupid or makes a series of bad choices, it's automatically the parents fault. There are plenty of kids who have good parents but behave poorly.

Yes, I agree. I probably should not have said only. But like I said above, there may be outside influences, but in a certain area or district or school, the same kids are in the same environment with the same pressure and things, but some go the bad way. What's making the difference? What, some kids personalities prefer to rebel or do bad things because they have the need to feel cool. Where does that come from? That's all I'm asking.


If you are going to use this logic, then I'm going to use this logic right against you. The only reason we have bad people in the world is because God can't keep his own people in check. It's all God's fault.

Erm... sure, go ahead and use this logic. Although, it doesn't really make sense because God's supposed to be perfect or whatever. And using God doesn't really affect. Sure, you're right. He can't keep his own people in check. People as a whole does not look so good. Wars and fighting everwhere. So use the God logic. I could care less.


And who is the diety that is responsible? God. See? The media and whatever crap that represents followers terribly is, in the end, God's fault.

You can't have an irresponsible follower without an irresponsible God.

And if you do think thata responsible God actually can have an irresponsible follower, that's not possible because then that just means God is still not being responsible enough. And if it is blamed that whatever bad stuff the followers do is the follower's fault, not so; it's the God that raised them in the first place.

That's not refuting anything. Heck, if I believed in It, then I would probably agree with all your saying. What an irresponsible world it is.


You see? It's easy to shift the blame on to the next person. But you see, here is a huge flaw in your logic. It can't be the parents fault, because if what you say is true that responsible parents would raise a responsible child, then clearly it can be agreed that the parents of the child were not raised responsibly, otherwise, the child would be responsible.

I see where you're going, but then what? Sure, I agree now, not all irresponsible parents have irresponsible children, not all responsible parents have responsible children. I agree. But then, if that's true, then that would mean that it doesn't really matter what kind of parents you have, because the children eventually can become whichever kind (responsible or irresponsible). So I suppose we would only need "parents" to reproduce and they would not really have to raise us. It doesn't matter what their influence is, we turn out either way randomly anyways.


And than we take it a step further back. If the child's parent's parents were not responsible, than the child's great grandparents must have been irresponsible. It just keeps going back further and further by your logic.

Sure.


In other words, by your own logic, that parents of that child can never be irresponsible, because they were raised poorly. And by this logic, the blame can't be put on anyone but the first humans to reproduce. So we now HAVE to assume, since it's always (by your logic) that if it's the parents fault, and so really it's the parents fault of the parent of the parent of the parent (and so forth) all the way back to Adam and Eve, than Adam and Eve acted irresponsibly. (That is, by your Chrisitan belief, of course.)

You're quite right. Then, I guess, there are no such things as irresponsible parents because it really doesn't matter how they raise children, they can turn out responsible or irresponsible either way. Druggie, smoker parents who have druggie, smoker kids have nothing to do with each other. It's perfect; kids have their own brains.


Now, we know that some people act responsibly and others not so much. Since I know this true, your theory is complete shit, for if responsible people raise responsible children and irresponsible people raise irresponsible children, we should all be irresponsible since Adam and Eve were irresponsible people. But clearly some of us are not, so we can safely concluded that irresponsible parents don't necessarily raise irresponsible children (as seen by the above example), and conversely responsible people don't necessarily raise responsible children.

Christian references = Nothing to someone who isn't Christian.

Yes, yes... nothing is necessarily definite and true. So I guess there are no such things as responsible parents nor children, because let us say, when the child grows up into a teenager and they turn out perfectly fine, heck, who knows, it could or could not have been through the parents' influence. They could have equally turned out bad. Therefore, no thanks should be given or any gratuity needs to be given because, it wasn't necessarily because of the parents. How nice.

Chew on this:

Who really wants to watch a well behaved, average student? The media knows the answer to this one.

Every teacher in any public school across the nation would.

Chew on this:

Who really wants to watch a well behaved, average student? The media knows the answer to this one.


I would love to have more well behaved, average students in my shool. Maybe if that happened, I'd actually learn a thing or two.

Yes, I agree. I probably should not have said only. But like I said above, there may be outside influences, but in a certain area or district or school, the same kids are in the same environment with the same pressure and things, but some go the bad way. What's making the difference? What, some kids personalities prefer to rebel or do bad things because they have the need to feel cool. Where does that come from? That's all I'm asking.

Though the kids are in the same envoirnment, they sure as hell are NOT under the same pressure. Some people are with the "popular" kids. Some are being bullied. Some are bullying. Some are just kind of out from the crowd. Some are with the crowd. Some are the class geeks, some are the class retards. There is a whole social standing and ranking system even in elementary school. Kids are under different pressures from other kids.

So what's making the difference? For one, it depends on who the kid is. Secondly, it depends on his envoirnment. Not just the kid's parents, but everything from his school life to his friends to the people he encounters.


Erm... sure, go ahead and use this logic. Although, it doesn't really make sense because God's supposed to be perfect or whatever. And using God doesn't really affect. Sure, you're right. He can't keep his own people in check. People as a whole does not look so good. Wars and fighting everwhere. So use the God logic. I could care less.

My apologies, I thought you were Christian.




That's not refuting anything. Heck, if I believed in It, then I would probably agree with all your saying. What an irresponsible world it is.

See above.


I see where you're going, but then what? Sure, I agree now, not all irresponsible parents have irresponsible children, not all responsible parents have responsible children. I agree. But then, if that's true, then that would mean that it doesn't really matter what kind of parents you have, because the children eventually can become whichever kind (responsible or irresponsible). So I suppose we would only need "parents" to reproduce and they would not really have to raise us. It doesn't matter what their influence is, we turn out either way randomly anyways.

That's not true either. Just because the parents are not the deciding factor of how the kids turn out does not mean that they don't influence how the kid will turn out. We need parents to do their best to raise kids properly. However, if the kid does not turn out how the parents have taught the kid to act, it's not necessarily the parents fault.

Though the kids are in the same envoirnment, they sure as hell are NOT under the same pressure. Some people are with the "popular" kids. Some are being bullied. Some are bullying. Some are just kind of out from the crowd. Some are with the crowd. Some are the class geeks, some are the class retards. There is a whole social standing and ranking system even in elementary school. Kids are under different pressures from other kids.

So what's making the difference? For one, it depends on who the kid is. Secondly, it depends on his envoirnment. Not just the kid's parents, but everything from his school life to his friends to the people he encounters.

What I mean is, how did the kids get influenced into being a bully, being bullied, geeks, preps. When I was in kindergarten, we didn't have those types of social ranks, it just developed as we got older. My point is, we weren't socially grouped from the beginning, and the way I knew it was, the "bad crowd" was created by some people whose parents didn't care what they did, and other people joined that crowd because they thought it was cool, or some other reason, to rebel, who knows.


My apologies, I thought you were Christian.

Apology accepted; I don't quite see how you thought I was Christian though. >.<


That's not true either. Just because the parents are not the deciding factor of how the kids turn out does not mean that they don't influence how the kid will turn out. We need parents to do their best to raise kids properly. However, if the kid does not turn out how the parents have taught the kid to act, it's not necessarily the parents fault.

So... if they do turn out well, then it is the result of the parents' good raising skills? But if they don't, then it may or may not be because of the parents?

Think about it this way, 40 odd years ago when our parents, the previous generation were our age, life back then was very different. Strict, commanding, discipline and all that yadda was what they experianced "back in the good old days". Not a very pleasnat childhood. Our parents love us very much and probably wants us to live a better life by slacking their rule over us, thus in a mistaken action of kindness they've unintentionally created chavs and all that jazz. Thats probably why you see major jerks and bitches with incredibly well mannered and civilized parents, honestly its a two-way thing so we can't exactly blame quite a few adults for this

What I mean is, how did the kids get influenced into being a bully, being bullied, geeks, preps. When I was in kindergarten, we didn't have those types of social ranks, it just developed as we got older. My point is, we weren't socially grouped from the beginning, and the way I knew it was, the "bad crowd" was created by some people whose parents didn't care what they did, and other people joined that crowd because they thought it was cool, or some other reason, to rebel, who knows.

There are a huge variety of reasons why people turn into bullies and geeks, preps, and so forth. Sometimes it's just hanging out with other people that acts as the greater influence. Maybe it's just who the person is. Maybe it's how they think. Perhaps what they see on television or play on their video games. Parents aren't the only factor.


So... if they do turn out well, then it is the result of the parents' good raising skills? But if they don't, then it may or may not be because of the parents?

You are misquoting me. You are attempting to make it seem like I'm saying it's the result of the parents if the kids turn out well but not so if they turn out poorly. This is wrong. I'm saying it's not the result of the parents no matter how they end up-they only act as an influence towards how they end up, for both parts.

*sigh* I hate almost eveyone at my school... because 97.9%'s ghetto. -_- I'm haveing my learning privleges taken away from me because of those damn teenagers. For instence: Today in modulare tech., we were going to learn how to build a computer. I was so happy, becuase I had been dreaming of this day for months. But noooo all the kids were too bisy talking about there latest drug deal, or whatever, and our teacher got pissed. So instead of building a computer, we had to write a paper on NASA... :cry:
They're always screwing up everything positive... x_x I went up to one of the "ghetto" kids and told him that no one cares about how many hoes he has, (keep in mind, we're all 13 in this class... sad isn't it?) and you know what he said?! "Shut yo mouth bitch! When I'm become bigger than fifty cent!" I just laughed. And laughed some more. I blame it all on rap.
Some parents are good parents though. They raise there children right, but when they send them to a school... well... (I don't know how to say it...) It's like sending someone into a dark room filled with vampires. They'll turn into one too! :\ I wish I could explain it better... sorry.

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That is so cruel of them!

Most people from my school I hate are townies. They gossip about people about their backs.
My friend made befriend with them earlier this year. They laugh at her new hair style and said that she's annoying and rude and so are her brothers. She hangs around with the wrong people.
And if they really hate someone, they talk right in front of them.(This happened twice today).
They are such pricks. I have to be two-faced. I tend to do that because they think I'm one of the quiet people who doesn't get rude.

I think that it's the parent's fault really. Because if they can't teach them to have manners, then their lives are all mashed up.

As for someone blaming it on rap, I think if a kid will go and do something just because it says it in a song, or act a way because a certain artist acts that way, then they kid was insecure in the first place, and that much was most likely the parent's fault.

Now, I don't believe that when a kid turns out bad that it's all the parents fault. However, how the parent raises the child does effect their decisions later on in life. For example, a child with parents that raised him or her well will most likely stay out of trouble and will choose the 'right' decisions, while a kid who has parents that didn't even bother raising him or her well will most likely get into trouble and choose the 'wrong' decisions.

A teacher I knew once said that things worked in whole different way when he started his teaching career, back in the early 90's. When a kid stopped turning in their assignments back then, he would call home and the parents would turn around and yell at their kids. Now, many years later, if he calls parents when their kid doesn't do their homework, the parents immediately blame him, the teacher. Well, not all parents blame him, but a much larger majority than before.

I'm not saying whether any of this is right or wrong, but I did think about this: Are teenagers basically the same in every generation throught the years, or is the behavior of teenagers moving in one direction, getting worse and worse with each generation?

I believe that teenagers aren't actually getting worse, but I have to admit that some things are definitely changing in one direction as time goes by.

So many television programs, newspaper and magazine articles tend to portray teenagers as drug obsessed, sex dependant, loud obnoxious “kids”, who do nothing but destroy the community.

What do you think? Is it true, or is there a more civilised side to teenagers? And is it just a small percentage of imbeciles that give the majority of us a bad image and name?


its the dum***es that give us a bad reputation (no offence to anyone if this might be you) ... they jack cars, get stoned (high , AKA on drugs)...etc....

im tired of it...but its life.... just hope i move on to a more mature group of teens (if they aren't adults by then...)

I'm going to agree, and point out that there are many (I can name five out of the top of my head) teens who act with such idiocy that you have to wonder "What the hell, that's real dangerous, freaking idiots!". It doesn't help that a percentage of hypocritical adults constantly point fingers and teens as holigans and troublemakers, when they themselves are not perfect in any sense of the word.

Still, I blame the society that we live in. True, we SHOULD take control of our lives, we have FREE WILL, but we sometimes never receive the tools needed to make good choices. Past generations have, in fact, slowly rotted our society long before we were born. Recently, this decay has gotten to a breaking point, and teens are often blamed. Why? Well, they carry out the shootings, killings, and even a few rape cases. But where did this problem arise from? The parents who neglected raising their children. The society that has built itself upon the pillars of instant gratification and quick money.

I have noticed in the stores how easy a child can buy "M" rated games with the help of oblivious parents (who should take the time to figure out what the hell their children are doing).

I have noticed how music has changed for the worse at times and how little children love singing along with the sometimes vulgar lyrics.

I have noticed that may children are exposed to the sins of the parents (divorce, affairs, fighting, abuse) more than they used to be.

Now, I'm not saying one bad movie, song, or event will drastically change little Timmy's life for the worse (I remember a few movies that I loved, that were rated R). I simply saying that these factors don't help, and that if the child is raised without a set of values or some kind of conduct standards, they will get sucked into the vacuum of our slowly deteriating society.

I'm a little late on responding to this, but ah well.

I'm almost NOT a teenager but I look so young people mistake me for 16 on a daily basis (I'm almost 20). Older people have a general mistrust for us young folks. Just a month ago, one of my neighbors in my apartment complex called the police on me claiming that I was not a resident and that my car should be towed! I've been living here for TWO YEARS!

At work, people are often heard saying, "This place is run by a bunch of f*cking teens.". All our managers are over 25 and all the other kids working there are 17-21. But they seem to think that because we are young we are incompetent. Not the case. We run a good business ( I work at an ice rink btw)!

So what's the reason behind it? I think it's mostly the media. It's taught us all to be afraid when in reality there is nothing to really be afraid of. It's beat into us that the younger people are the problem. We're reckless and violent. And sadly, one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.

I'm not saying they're aren't any bad kids out there. And there's a whole other finger pointing fest we could get into about that. But I would like to say that I disagree with the post above me and "the sin of divorce".

My parents divorced when I was ten. My father had an affair. My mother raised me and I didn't see my father for two years. And when he did come back he had a whole new family. The whole divorce made my mom pretty bitter. She's better now but growing up, you had to always have your gaurd up. You never knew what kind of mood she'd be in or what kind of insult she'd throw at you over breakfast. She didn't have a job until I was 17 and we didn't grow up poor or anything. But we didn't exactly had a lot of money. I was on a free lunch program all through high school. Point is, I wasn't raised by a "good family".

But look at me now. I'm not violent. I'm not a hateful or terrible person. I think I'm a good and decent and strong young woman. I have never used my parents as an excuse to act out or as some kind of crutch. That would be weak and I could never give in to weakness.

This debate could go on forever. Yeah, I turned out awesome :P so why do other kids end up the opposite? See? It's a giant circle of a conversation and I don't think I even helped any...

Ooo...I think I'm one of those trouble-making teens. Heh, it's just because I dress like a raver on a daily basis. Oddly enough, I can honestly say that I haven't done any drug that isn't medicine, get at least 80+ average in school, and I haven't been caught doning anything illegal. W00t! 1'm ju5t 0n3 0f th053 n0 g00d r0tt3n k1d5. Sorry... Raving done now.

There are a huge variety of reasons why people turn into bullies and geeks, preps, and so forth. Sometimes it's just hanging out with other people that acts as the greater influence. Maybe it's just who the person is. Maybe it's how they think. Perhaps what they see on television or play on their video games. Parents aren't the only factor.


I responded a little late.

But anyways... hm. I agree now. I'm going to stop going with the generic answer of blaming only the parents, because of something that happened recently, and also, there *is* more than one reason people turn out the way they do. I just happened to think that the main or the most common reason was because of the parents. But I know there are more reasons than just the teenagers' domestic oversights.

Heh. Teens have just always had a bad reputation. Unless you proove yourself, nobody loves you! :heh:

That's usually because that's the time when they feel a need of freedom, so they rebel. Not all teens are like that though.

Kind of like myself. I don't really have the want for freedom, but I literally need it.

When adults start saying teens are crappy...

I bring up the adults who raped and killed thousands of my peers all over the world.

oh god. that is soo true. sometimes they even do it their own children.

Unless you prove yourself, nobody loves you! :heh:Do you feel the need to prove yourself?

Nop.

adults have problems. they get married but will cheat on, murder, or divorce their spouse. adults are more criminals than kids, but i think the reason that so many teenagers are looked at badly by adults, is because they say "that teenager will turn into a bad adult.", and it's not entirely false. a lot of bad kids don't grow out of it.

even though i just turned 20 april of this year, throughout my teenage years i generally harbored a pretty strong dislike for my own kind. although i don't exactly look my age- most people mistake me for around 15/16 IRL, whenever i see teenagers i don't tend to think pleasantly about them. i think of how shallow they are, how they're probably lying to their parents and going off to party/drugs/sex, how they probably back-stab their friends, how they probably have a new boyfriend/girlfriend every week and say "i love you" to them, how they beg for attention, because generally that is what teenagers do. teenagers also harass me, and i've had very unpleasant experiences throughout middle and high school that will of course make me biased.

i can't really blame them though, as it was for me (and still is) a very hard time in life. we're suddenly supposed to grow up- i'll never forget how drastic the differences were between sixth and seventh grade. it went from playing pretend on the playground to being laughed at for not knowing some sexual things. i wouldn't say i was naive- i'd say i would be on par for the age of 11. kids should not know that much. then peers suddenly change, everyone is in such a rush to try to be cool, try to be adult, and basically try to be an idiot. cliques tend to become more segregated by interests, social status, race, intelligence, and money. i never experienced this in elementary school. i really missed the "harmony" of elementary school. the obtrusive "discord" of upper schools, i have never been accustomed to. ~speaking of which~ i will now be entering a community college (i don't feel like it's a "real" college, but... it's the best i can do for now after being a drop-out. plus they have real hs diploma courses, so it will be like i never dropped out. then i can maybe switch to a "real" college)... it will be the first time in 3 yrs that i'll be going back to school. i sure hope the mentality of my fellow students has grown up.

i think that the teenagers on this forum are probably much smarter though, and i wouldn't say the stereotypes would apply to any of you~ sorry for the really long post... i always have a lot to say, haha.

What a nice post of generalization. Not all adults cheat or commit crimes you know? And not all of them think bad about today's youth. Well, over here anyway, dunno what criminal society you're from...

She wasn't making any generalizations. She said "Adults have problems," not "ALL adults have problems." And the statement that "adults are more criminal than kids" is also correct. Consider, if you would, the ratio of adults in prison to kids in prison, and my point becomes clear.

Now, of course, I'm against generalizations of any kind, especially when they're about a group which I'm (possibly unwillingly) a part of. Yes, there is the classic "rebellious teenager" image. However, I don't think anyone but those who are being persued by senility will make such generalizations about a huge group like teenagers.

However, due to this "rebellious" stigma, teenagers are indeed portrayed as adhering to that image in the media. For example, look at MTV, the network with the biggest teenage viewerbase. This network caters to that particular audience. When adults see this, it's easy to make such generalizations. But obviously not all do. Just knowing one "nice" teenager will offset the negative image, I would suppose.

Unless you prove yourself, nobody loves you! :heh:
Do you feel the need to prove yourself?
Nope.But don't you need love?

the bad kids are just attention whores really usually as a result of upbringing and personlaity.

What a nice post of generalization. Not all adults cheat or commit crimes you know? And not all of them think bad about today's youth. Well, over here anyway, dunno what criminal society you're from...

to summarize, i meant that basically in society we all have rotten apples, both of adults and adolescents. that i see reasons for each to have blame. do you also notice how, on the news, when teeangers do good things and volunteer work it's reported? those types of stories aren't really reported about adults doing them. it's because it's exceptional for teenagers to do them, and to show that kids aren't all bad.

I think that no one should be judged for being a teenager, but for being whoever that particular person is. :mellow:

its just a matter of the persons character and upbringing. if they were told constantly that teenagers are horrible they either believe that or refuse to believe it.

Ok another issue to do with Present day teenagers

Teenage pregnancies

What are your views on it?

well sex education on safe sex. I mean quite a lot of teens reckon you can't get pregnant if you're having sex standing up. And teens think they know everything. sheesh!

guess hormones are the reason for casual sex though.

Most teenagers have enough sense not to do it. Then again, can't really blame those that do. Usually those that do use condoms though. Some don't, gets the girl pregnant. It's pretty okay with me, as long as the guy takes care of the girl and their baby. Oh, and the girl doesn't abort the baby (that is just so cruel).

But then isn't it cruel to make that girl have a baby when she may not be physically or mentally ready for one, and isn't it cruel to subject that baby to a unhappy childhood, if their parents are not financially stable and/or their relationship isn't steady also if they have no role model to look up to?

if you were talking to me, then i guess so yes. But they should've had safe sex if they weren't ready for it.

Abortion is as rutine as any other medical procedure and it should stay that way. For god sakes its a lump of stem cells! END of STORY.

Deadly Love, its not always that simple. As living thing we all make mistakes. And I think the most stupid thing is to make the person pay for it in horrible ways that can and probably change their lives for the worse. If you creeped out of the house to party at midnight and your parents found out would YOU want them to sew a penis to your forehead? Probably not. Punishment is punishment but theres a diffrence between a lecture - learning from your mistakes and being stuck with a baby.

if you were talking to me, then i guess so yes. But they should've had safe sex if they weren't ready for it.

What if something went wrong even if they had safe sex and they totally can't help it?

Most teenagers have enough sense not to do it. Then again, can't really blame those that do. Usually those that do use condoms though. Some don't, gets the girl pregnant. It's pretty okay with me, as long as the guy takes care of the girl and their baby. Oh, and the girl doesn't abort the baby (that is just so cruel).

I think you should blame the ones that do.
If they were dumb enough to have kids after the bazillionith time that their parents said no.
Being a rebel is okay unless you KNOW you're parents are right and your being an ass for the hell of it.
I think girls who have sex at an early age are dumb horny sluts and if they wanna have sex, they can do themselves.
It disgusts me how these girls actually think that the guy will give them everything and happiness, for pete sakes if your a kid and the dude is a kid and you both have school, neither of you work, how are you suppose to take care of a baby who needs 24/7 care??
You push it on the adults who are YOUR care givers.
Why are you punishing them when it's clearly you're fault?!

I think you should blame the ones that do.
If they were dumb enough to have kids after the bazillionith time that their parents said no.
Being a rebel is okay unless you KNOW you're parents are right and your being an ass for the hell of it.
I think girls who have sex at an early age are dumb horny sluts and if they wanna have sex, they can do themselves.
It disgusts me how these girls actually think that the guy will give them everything and happiness, for pete sakes if your a kid and the dude is a kid and you both have school, neither of you work, how are you suppose to take care of a baby who needs 24/7 care??
You push it on the adults who are YOUR care givers.
Why are you punishing them when it's clearly you're fault?!
Oooh, that's gotta hurt. Well, yea I mean it is their own fault and they should be able to take care of the baby before they have sex. People that can't wait usually end up in the poor house. As for what you said about the dumb horny sluts, that is quite true. No offense to those type of girls, but it is true.

I think you should blame the ones that do.
If they were dumb enough to have kids after the bazillionith time that their parents said no.
Being a rebel is okay unless you KNOW you're parents are right and your being an ass for the hell of it.
I think girls who have sex at an early age are dumb horny sluts and if they wanna have sex, they can do themselves.
It disgusts me how these girls actually think that the guy will give them everything and happiness, for pete sakes if your a kid and the dude is a kid and you both have school, neither of you work, how are you suppose to take care of a baby who needs 24/7 care??
You push it on the adults who are YOUR care givers.
Why are you punishing them when it's clearly you're fault?!

Well said! :lol: That totally made my day. Thank you.

wah I hope that wasn't sarcasum ;___;
but happy go lucky as I usually am.
I have abosultly zero tolerance for teenage pregos.
They're so dumb they're giving girls in general a bad name!!!

wah I hope that wasn't sarcasum ;___;

It wasn't! :\

oh, I made your day!
YAY ^^

They're so dumb they're giving girls in general a bad name!!!
Hey, the guys have half the responsibility on it, so why is it just the girls that get a bad name? I usually blame the guys.

You get girls being called sluts and hoes if they're going out/having sex with more than one guy. But when it's a guy who does that, he doesn't get called any names, instead he is congraulated and cheered on by his mates.
I mean WTF is up with that?!

well I said they're giving girls a bad in general cos I'm a girl and I care about that.
If guys get called a bad name it's not my problem XD
I'm kidding ^^
Okay, it's true that it takes two to make a baby and it's also true that the girl asks and the guy says yes the blame does fall a lot on him.
However, they think they're doing it because of love. But they have no idea what love means (maybe they know puppy love). If you know what love means and you care for the other person, you would know what sex brings and to protect that person you would wait, reserve yourself.
But most people who have sex at an early age say, " Oh he/she is so fineee, I LOOOOOVVE him/her"
Just because he has a six pack doesnt mean that he's perfect, dosent mean you should throw yourself at him in a way he can't refuse.

If a guy wants a smart girl who refuses then he is considered a rapist, and it is not at all the girl's fault for getting prego~

Very very very very very true. In fact, that is the only name that he is ever gonna be called, but only if the girl didn't want it.

You get girls being called sluts and hoes if they're going out/having sex with more than one guy. But when it's a guy who does that, he doesn't get called any names, instead he is congraulated and cheered on by his mates.
I mean WTF is up with that?!

Yeah, but only his mates would. I'm sure other females would think negatively of him also. Females tend to be more emotional and ethically right about these things.

girl's being called sluts? that's society's fault. girl's getting pregnant? that's partly society's fault. Really it's just stupid people who dont' know where babies come from. but yeah sometimes the rubber breaks...

with that pregnant thing? i think it's stupid how it's mainly the girl's that get blamed, it takes two to tango.
and if a guy sleeps around alot, he's called a stud, if a girl does, she's called a slut. not a really fair society is it?

I'm about a month late on this, but oh wells.

I'm gonna be really honest here. I had an abortion in June. Am I a slut? No. I was in a commited relationship for a year and a half when I found out I was pregnant. Was I having unprotected sex? No, we weren't. It was no one's fault. Just an accident. I had an abortion because though we could afford to have everything we need, we would never be able to have the life that we WANT and that wouldn't be fair for me, for him, or for our child.

Do I regret it? Yes. But it was my choice and it has nothing to do with me being a dumb horny slut or being stupid.

Sorry, I just had to say something. I felt like I needed to defend myself for whatever reason.

BTW, I'm 19, goin' on 20 September 9th. So I'm not THAT young, but I was still technically a teen.

with that pregnant thing? i think it's stupid how it's mainly the girl's that get blamed, it takes two to tango.
and if a guy sleeps around alot, he's called a stud, if a girl does, she's called a slut. not a really fair society is it?

Yeah, it's sexism and it's stupid. It should be remembered that every generation says things were better when they were young and that teenagers are getting worse. Looking at it from a musical standpoint, remember that 75 years ago, jazz was "devil music"; 50 years ago, it was rock; 25 years ago, metal was the latest threat to national security; today, rap is the new cause of all social problems. Notice a pattern?;)

PS: Personally, I think most popular music is stupid, but that doesn't mean it's evil.

You get girls being called sluts and hoes if they're going out/having sex with more than one guy. But when it's a guy who does that, he doesn't get called any names, instead he is congraulated and cheered on by his mates.
I mean WTF is up with that?!

with that pregnant thing? i think it's stupid how it's mainly the girl's that get blamed, it takes two to tango.
and if a guy sleeps around alot, he's called a stud, if a girl does, she's called a slut. not a really fair society is it?


Yeah, but only his mates would. I'm sure other females would think negatively of him also. Females tend to be more emotional and ethically right about these things.

Moonlight and DVZ I only partialy agree, true they are praised for their behavior but I for one dont find that to be...right. I mean if a dude nails two girls good for him but its not something I would do...or that I approve of in all situations.


Stormchild13: Im sorry but I find that comment to be a load of sexist bullshit, you cant complain about how women are stereotyped as sluts if they have sex with more than one guy and then go and call men in general ethicaly and emotionaly retarded meatsacks with just sex on their minds.

Thats just BS, just cause Im a guy dosent mean all I think about is gettin some, im as emotional or ethical as the next dude/ette.

Stormchild13: Im sorry but I find that comment to be a load of sexist bullshit, you cant complain about how women are stereotyped as sluts if they have sex with more than one guy and then go and call men in general ethicaly and emotionaly retarded meatsacks with just sex on their minds.
And some of the girls are just probably raped or something and then that's the guy's fault. And sometimes the girls put in sleeping pills or get the guys drunk so they can take advantage of him, then that's the girl's fault. So yeah, some girls are just taken advantage of and never really wanted to have sex in the first place.

Im sorry but that has nothing to do with my statement. I was merely comenting on how Storm complained about how women were stereotyped and then did the same to men.

Now on to your post:


And some of the girls are just probably raped or something and then that's the guy's fault. And sometimes the girls put in sleeping pills or get the guys drunk so they can take advantage of him, then that's the girl's fault. So yeah, some girls are just taken advantage of and never really wanted to have sex in the first place.

Ok women are raped, and yes sometimes these rapes result in unwanted pregnancies. Heres some news for ya, guys can be raped too (both by males and females) Im not saying it happens as often, but Im pretty sure its happened.

And guys can be taken advantage of too, guess how easy it is for some girl to claim she was raped...if people have (what seems to be) your mentality than the woman would be an innocent victim and the dude was a sex obsessed weirdo.Ever seen the Life of david gale? I recomend watching the begining to get my point (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/)

Ok women are raped, and yes sometimes these rapes result in unwanted pregnancies. Heres some news for ya, guys can be raped too (both by males and females) Im not saying it happens as often, but Im pretty sure its happened.

And guys can be taken advantage of too, guess how easy it is for some girl to claim she was raped...if people have (what seems to be) your mentality than the woman would be an innocent victim and the dude was a sex obsessed weirdo

Dude, I said that. The fact that guys can be raped by girls (well not by guys) too. And yea, it is quite easy for a girl to claim that, especially if she was beautiful or looks very weak. If that case ever gets to court then of course the judge will believe her instead of the guy.

Actualy After reading your previous post I noticed that you did infact mention men being taken advantage by women. So I apologise for my previous post.

Back on topic, personaly I dont see teen sex as a problem, infact I encourage it... yes it has some bad results, but thats not because its sex...its because people are irresponsible or just down right dimwitted.

There are two kinds of teenagers (IMHO)

The kind that is ready to have sex: only when they can assume the responsibility, Lovely_spirit for example was doing everything right...she never messed up it was a "shit happens" moment.(BTW If you dont like being used as reference all you have to do is say so...:))

the folowing is me speculating She then had to make a big decision..and thats something that should not be taken lightly..she did what was in everyones best intrest. (as far as I can tell that was her intention...if so I wholeheartedly agree)

Then theres the other kind, a 14 yearold who thinks s/he's the king of the world and knows best about everything...Im not saying these people are bad (heck we all went/are going through that "Stage") and its not that they are "worth less" than others, its just that in my opinion they are not only not ready for sex but they simply dont deserve it.

THATS the problem, as humans we sometimes see the worst in people. so when discussing teenagers/sex/anything else they assume we are all still stuck in that "King of the world" mentality.

Another thing, we need to see this from both POVs...we throughout this thread have generalized adults to have this attitude, Im betting not all of em do...

Stereotypes while sometimes cruel and unfair are a part of society, and they are to an extent necesary.

Sorry for grammar/spelling or otherwise kiling the english language in any way.:\

a link I found intresting...its from NBC so it should be safe..but Viewer discretion is advised: Some really messed up stuff (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14721297/)

This time, I'm only talking about my town. According to my teacher and his resources (I forgot where he got it from), my town, based on its population, has the most teenagers having sex and getting babies. Most probably either got it aborted or is depending on their family to support them and the baby or are really poor and homeless right now. And seriously, you really should wait 'til you're ready for the baby and can support it to have sex if not just wait 'til you get married.

NOTE TO THE LADIES: If you are pregnant or plan on getting pregnant, don't drink or do anything bad that will affect the baby. The baby might end up with 45 or 47 chromosomes instead of 46. And in case you never paid attention to your science class, that's bad.

I think that teenagers will always have a bad reputation. You can't blame a single group of youths for all the problems that teenagers generally face, because older generations always critisize younger generations. I'm not entirely sure why, it's just the way things tend to go. It's unfair to single out a group and point the finger at them, since it could be argued that the opposite extremities in Britain (NEDS or Chavs, and EMOS), cause as much damage and harm as eachother.

On a more serious note, when you grow older, you realise that teenagers are really that stupid and think they know it all. Problem is when you're an adult, you still think you know it all, so basically, everyone's stupid. The point is, even if you think you know it all, your parents are more likely to know more than you do anyway so stop complaining. A high percentage of teenagers are imbeciles (although the majority of them are chavs anyway). Just look at your younger brother or sister or cousin and you can tell they are way too influenced by their friends having to be cool and all. Isn't your friend always complaining that they havent got a girlfriend/boyfriend? Obviously there are exceptions, but club's wouldn't prosper without underage teens doing what they do with fake IDs.
Thanks an-kun for pointing out my thoughts exactly. :heh: Many teenager think they know sooooo very much, but eventually figure out that they don't really know anything about it (well, some don't, which is rather sad..).


if the child is raised without a set of values or some kind of conduct standards, they will get sucked into the vacuum of our slowly deteriating society.
Right on. ^_^
First off, I'm 17 5/6 so I'm still a teenager, but it just huuurts so much to see all those wanna-be gansters lurking around everywhere, wearing three T-shirts at the same time(different length) and a cap under the hood...
not being able to express themselves in their mother language properly (well, most of them do not have anything worth saying anyway ^^~).
I have to say that, sadly, rap is a negative influence and "popular" music in general gets worse and worse. Watch your everyday music channel on TV, you get to see some nice bodies, but what's behind the music? Please don't think I'm generalizing music as "BAD", only some sorts of music which IMO strayed the path of art (+not all rap is bad! Don't take me wrong... there is also rap with nice/funny lyrics or even philosphical lyrics, but that's exceptional..)

Another problem with today's youth...
how many boys still read the good ol' books instead of playing PS2, X-Box or whatever else all day? The same goes for girls, though they tend to read more. I'm not saying that I don't play videogames (I love 'em! RPGs ftw :bleh: ), but reading books is also very essential to develop your own, independant view of life. But why should little kids read books? They don't go to their parents "Hey mommy, I want to read books". Parents have to encourage them... but why would parents who themselve don't read books encourage their children to read them? It's IMO a very big problem of sociaty.
It doesn't necessarily have to be books, but one should have a way to get to know the opinion of others and to think about those, to think of one's own opinion about the opinion of these other people. And getting to know those "rappers" point of view (>> Insert Random ganster-phrase <<), doesn't really help much... :think:

Present days teenagers...
Through my experience of encountering those kind of people...around 60% of them are rude and even dare to skip class or skip school.

And sometimes, they came up with no reasons.
Like if I bump into them, he said in the chat room, "Back off, this is my place!"
I just asked, "Why...?"
"Because I don't like you!" then he walked off.Weird... :think:

And those teenagers thought that they had the power when they were teenagers...when they don't even realize that they have a long way to go.
They are teenagers doesn't mean they have powers! They're not even lvl 10 yet in real life, even they're lvl 100+ in online games.

And you know that many teenagers playing games...?
Have you heard that they even played online games at 3am to 6am?
Well...they did.
I played online game for fun, and sometimes ask around...when I realize that they did...
And mostly...singaporean players are very rude...and sometimes i don't understand their broken english language in the chat room even I'm a chinese.
And once they didn't change their atitude and their behaviour...their future will be completely sealed...

Yeap...but i didn't said that we cannot watch tv or playing games,right?
We should arrange our time to study, exercise and have fun(but not too much study or too much exercise or too much fun!) :think:

And sometimes, I felt like blaming those singers or whatever they are...they affected people's life...even my little brother who was almost 13.
My classmates mostly affected by taiwan or other countries musicians.
The more I hate is the weird movie or tv.
They're teenagers...doesn't mean they won't imitate the ways in weird movies which don't even had a moral value.

Well...That's all i can say. If they're something wrong...don't be mad...I'm only saying my opinion... :heh:

Present days teenagers...
Through my experience of encountering those kind of people...around 60% of them are rude and even dare to skip class or skip school.

And sometimes, they came up with no reasons.
Like if I bump into them, he said in the chat room, "Back off, this is my place!"
I just asked, "Why...?"
"Because I don't like you!" then he walked off.Weird... :think:

And those teenagers thought that they had the power when they were teenagers...when they don't even realize that they have a long way to go.
They are teenagers doesn't mean they have powers! They're not even lvl 10 yet in real life, even they're lvl 100+ in online games.

And you know that many teenagers playing games...?
Have you heard that they even played online games at 3am to 6am?
Well...they did.
I played online game for fun, and sometimes ask around...when I realize that they did...
And mostly...singaporean players are very rude...and sometimes i don't understand their broken english language in the chat room even I'm a chinese.
And once they didn't change their atitude and their behaviour...their future will be completely sealed...

Yeap...but i didn't said that we cannot watch tv or playing games,right?
We should arrange our time to study, exercise and have fun(but not too much study or too much exercise or too much fun!) :think:

And sometimes, I felt like blaming those singers or whatever they are...they affected people's life...even my little brother who was almost 13.
My classmates mostly affected by taiwan or other countries musicians.
The more I hate is the weird movie or tv.
They're teenagers...doesn't mean they won't imitate the ways in weird movies which don't even had a moral value.

Well...That's all i can say. If they're something wrong...don't be mad...I'm only saying my opinion... :heh:
You forgot phone. They spend hours on the phones. And not just the girl either, some of the guys too. Even when it's like 5 AM, they're still talking on the phone.

My answer to the original question is both yes and no.

I am fifteen right now, and will admit that there are some teenagers that fit the modern stereotype. But not all of them are like that. I think that teens have the reputation they have because it's the ones who are like that that get noticed. I would think that just about every human has at least minutely some of the bad teenage traits, such as rudeness, insensitivity, etc. There are people in every age group that fit every aspect of the teenage stereotype.

On the other hand, there are also many teenagers that are literally polar opposites of the stereotype. These tend to be the ones that do community service, do well in school, etc. I use the word "tend" because although that this is generally true, there are some exceptions.