View Full Version : My Starwars/Eragon theory (SPOILERS)
Noir7
December 21st, 2006, 02:52 pm
Okay, perhaps not a theory, but I had some thoughts when me and my friends went to see Eragon, and I couldn't help but think of strong paralells to Starwars Episode IV. This is not a rant, but a theory of how simple fantasy novels/films really are, and how they all use a similiar (sometimes exact) pattern.
Eragon = Luke Skywalker
Brom = Obi-Wan Kenobi
King Galbatorix = The Emperor Palpatine
Princess Arya = Princess Leia
Durza "The Shade" = Darth Vader
The Varden = The Rebels
((([Eragon])))
Eragon's journey begins with his uncle being killed by Durza's summoned troops. Brom comes along and fills him in with wisdom, and as an ex-dragon rider himself, he makes sure that Eragon will fulfull his purpose as the "Last Hope". Obviously, later on Eragon sets out to rescue the beautiful princess Arya from the clutches of Durza. During the rescue, Brom is killed by Durza. Eragon later on discovers The Varden, whom he joins to battle the evil Kingdom. The King himself, Galbatorix, is the one who is pulling the strings.
(((Starwars)))
Luke's journey begins with his uncle being killed by Darth Vader's strormtroopers. Obi-Wan comes along and fills him in with wisdom, and as an ex-jedi himself, he makes sure that Luke will fulfill his purpose as the "Last Hope". Obviously, later on Luke sets out to rescue the beautiful princess Leia from the clutches of Darth Vader. During the rescue, Obi-Wan is killed by Darth Vader. Luke later on discovers The Rebels, whom he joins to battle the evil Empire. The Emperor himself, Palpatine, is the one who is pulling the strings.
See a pattern, anyone?
HanTony
December 21st, 2006, 04:45 pm
Films have been like this for years, its nothing new. Althouth theese two have a stronger more obvious similarity.
Eternal
December 21st, 2006, 04:55 pm
I wanted to watch Eragon, if it's a biter of Starwars it should be pretty good right XD?
Noir7
December 21st, 2006, 04:59 pm
@HanTony: But this one is so similiar that you can actually just change the names in the synopsis, like I did.
Neko Koneko
December 21st, 2006, 05:48 pm
And the name is either the pronunciation of Aragorn, but written down somewhat different, or Dragon with a massive typo (E key is right on top of the D button on US keyboards)
HanTony
December 21st, 2006, 06:04 pm
If you think for just one second you should realise that a new storyline becomes more difficult with every passing day. so is copying a story into a different time line so bad? Many people seem to like this new film.
Wait i just forgot what point i'm trying to make:huh: but anyway i'm sure it's not the first copy film and i know it wont be the last.
Eternal
December 21st, 2006, 07:08 pm
I actually really like the book Eragon, but movies do screw up books~
Maybe Eldest will be better?
RD
December 29th, 2006, 01:41 am
Thats a good theory, but i doubt it was intentional.
The story is written by a sixteen year old.
deathraider
December 29th, 2006, 05:31 am
So the real answer is "yes there is a pattern." In my opinion, the original Star Wars trilogy in all its popularity has become sort of an archetypal, and the underlying "hero's journey" archetypal is much older.
Meer
December 29th, 2006, 05:33 am
Thats a good theory, but i doubt it was intentional.
The story is written by a sixteen year old.
Actually, this would make it more intentional I believe. :mellow:
Noir7
December 29th, 2006, 01:11 pm
Perhaps intentional on a subconcious level. Anyway, it's not very often it becomes so alike that you can simply switch the names of characters and suddenly get another movie =P
pifish
December 31st, 2006, 12:18 pm
I do believe what you've picked up on is the archetypal Good vs. Evil story (Which has I believe been around for a long time). These concepts were demonstrated to my Year 9 English class a few years back with discussions of Star Wars, The Matrix, The Lord of the Rings etc. It pretty much defines the basic structure of the characters (The Hero, The Oracle, The Mentor, The Villain, The Failed Hero etc.) as well as the plot (The Hero's Quest and such). I'm sure if you took a look at Google or Wikipedia it could provide a much more in-depth and clear explaination of the whole thing.
deathraider
December 31st, 2006, 07:33 pm
Yup, that's what I tried to say, I just didn't explain myself as well. It's all in my AP English notes...
Cinderella
January 1st, 2007, 12:28 am
It's just the Hero Cycle/Hero's Journey.
It's a very common formula.
Meer
January 1st, 2007, 12:45 am
Even if it's good versus evil, not all of them have the same twists as these two stories do. :mellow:
Neko Koneko
January 1st, 2007, 02:02 pm
And that's exactly the point Noir seems to be making here :mellow: It's funny how everyone responds with OMG ITS GOOD VS EVIL LIKE THATS ALWAYS THE CASE instead of properly reading Noir's post.
Meer
January 1st, 2007, 02:53 pm
And that's exactly the point Noir seems to be making here :mellow: It's funny how everyone responds with OMG ITS GOOD VS EVIL LIKE THATS ALWAYS THE CASE instead of properly reading Noir's post.
Was just trying to help get his point across. :mellow:
Neko Koneko
January 1st, 2007, 03:59 pm
I wasn't talking about you either ;) You seem one of the few to understand what Noir tries to say :mellow:
Cinderella
January 1st, 2007, 06:33 pm
Well it's not as straightforward as "GOOD vs EBIL"
Noir is talking about the parallels (ha! I spelled that right!) of the Hero's journey. This journey is actually very common, although disguised in many places it appears.
deathraider
January 1st, 2007, 08:11 pm
Pifish and I already said that. (lol EBIL!!!)
pifish
January 2nd, 2007, 01:26 pm
I wasn't talking about you either ;) You seem one of the few to understand what Noir tries to say :mellow:
Well if he wasn't talking about patterns then what was he talking about? Because it seems that most of the thread is talking about that pattern. Anyway since we're talking about movies and such it'd all be down to ones interpretation, and I'd say that the same applies to a forum post. </Vain attempt at damage control :)>
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