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PorscheGTIII
May 25th, 2008, 04:04 pm
The competition has ended and the results are HERE (http://forums.ichigos.com/showpost.php?p=410663&postcount=91).

Here are the rules to follow for this competition.

You may only use the MP3 provided to do your transcribing from. You CAN make other files from the MP3 but you CAN NOT use and other MIDI's or someone else's work on the same piece. Don't go looking for the piece on the internet to use as guide!
The work shown must reflect YOUR WORK and YOUR WORK ONLY.
You should submit your final product in a file format that can allow page formatting to be done (ex. PDF, MUS, SIB, etc. ).
Any rule that I think of before the end of the competition that direly needs to be instated.


ALL VIOLATORS WILL BE DISQUALIFIED AND BE GIVEN UNCOOL POINTS!!!

That being said, here is what you will be transcribing. Do we have any Touhou Project fans here? Well, that's what we are transcribing from.

Title: 東方紅魔郷 月時計~ルナ・ダイアル (touhou kurenai ma sato gatsu tokei ~ runa・daiaru)
Composer: ZUN
Arraneged by: ようか (Yohka)
Copyright Team Shanghai Alice / Zune

Here is what the original sounds like. The MP3 you are transcribing from is attached below. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Mo6QfysFNV8


This is how you will be scored on. The person who scores the highest wins!

Rhythm – 40%

(____/ 30) X 40 = ____

Notes – 30%

(____/ 1724) X 30 = ____

Expression – 15%

(____ / 24) X 15 = ____

Tempo
Crescendo/Decrescendo
Key Signature(s)
Phrasing

Articulation – 15%

(____ / 270) X 15 = ____



TOTAL ____/100

Also keep in mind that I'm counting...
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/porschegtiii/Equal.jpg

These as the same note since they are held for the same duration.

Also, I'm counting tied notes as one note like...
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h255/porschegtiii/OneNote.jpg

Final words of advice. Take your time and have fun! May the best transcriber win!


The competition has ended and the results are HERE (http://forums.ichigos.com/showpost.php?p=410663&postcount=91).
GOOD LUCK!

Nyu001
May 25th, 2008, 06:05 pm
That looks like fun! Good Luck people! Zun... is not that the guy who did "U.N. owen was her?" ?

brncao
May 25th, 2008, 08:06 pm
Er what do we get if we win? Wait a sec. Do you have the original sheets? You need the original in order to judge for accuracy. But then if you have it, does that mean it's on the internet too? That'll ruin the fun.

Edit: Can you please PM me the high quality mp3 version for the original? Youtube sucks.

PorscheGTIII
May 25th, 2008, 10:30 pm
The MP3 is already attached in my first post and is not the youtube link.

Yes, I have the sheets of this specific arrangement. Also, if you read my post the sheets do exist online but you are prohibited from using them in any way under penalty of disqualification and uncool points.

brncao
May 25th, 2008, 10:58 pm
Can you explain how can you prevent cheaters? They're not going to make it obvious. They'll probably copy it then change it so you don't find out.

Anyways, good luck to those attempting 00:21-00:41. The left hand is a bit too quiet though. I've done something much harder than that so it'll be ok for me. It kinda sounds like Etude 10-12 Revolutionary.

Gotank
May 26th, 2008, 12:15 am
Wow that's pretty tough... Atleast I don't detect too many chords =)

On the side of cheaters - this is a fun event anyways, so I don't really see the point of anyone cheating to win.

InfinityEX
May 26th, 2008, 01:47 am
Wow that's pretty tough... Atleast I don't detect too many chords =)

On the side of cheaters - this is a fun event anyways, so I don't really see the point of anyone cheating to win.

Exactly ^^

There's no prize in it so there's no point in cheating.
All in the name of fun =]

Jill-Jênn
May 26th, 2008, 07:08 pm
Exactly ^^

There's no prize in it so there's no point in cheating.
All in the name of fun =]Yup, but PorscheGTIII said: "ALL VIOLATORS WILL BE DISQUALIFIED AND BE GIVEN UNCOOL POINTS!!!" ^^

brncao
June 1st, 2008, 03:59 am
Bump

Made it to the end of the song. Now to work on the bass.

Jill-Jênn
June 10th, 2008, 01:41 pm
You should put this topic as sticky, shouldn't you?

Edit: Wow, I just listened to the piece o_O (I thought you (Porsche) were going to post a piano music ^^). That's not easy :D
Is the score expected to be playable? I mean, if you have 2-note chords (also called diads, I just saw on Google) in eighth notes, it might be difficult to play :D

InfinityEX
June 10th, 2008, 01:49 pm
You should put this topic as sticky, shouldn't you?

If there was only a kind hearted mod here.... *hint hint* =]

Btw...I think I give up......song too hard =.="

Jill-Jênn
June 10th, 2008, 02:02 pm
Too bad :( We're only 3, now? xD

brncao
June 10th, 2008, 05:45 pm
I thought you (Porsche) were going to post a piano music
The piano music is attached at the bottom of his post.


Btw...I think I give up......song too hard =.="

Don't give up. Josh shared you his secrets. Use them. Of course... when it comes to transcriptions (not arrangements), it can be a little hard :heh: I'm still in the game, but can you extend the deadline till the end of August? I have summer classes and I don't have time to work on it.

Jill-Jênn
June 10th, 2008, 05:48 pm
Maybe end of August is a bit long... End of July seems fine (I also think end of June is a bit hard). Do you agree, brncao?

Edit: Lol I just heard the piano version, I'm wondering if it isn't even more difficult :D Is it an original piano version, Porsche, or did you make it?
That sustain pedal is confusing the whole piece :D

Edit2: It seems to be original. But where did you find it? :D

brncao
June 10th, 2008, 07:18 pm
I have finals at the end of July. College work and the semester is half of that of a normal semester schedule meaning the schedule is compressed. I prefer sometime in August.

I don't think he did make it. I'd be pissed if it wasn't an actual pianist performing that, but rather a computer generated playback with ultra-realistic piano sounds. The reason is because any arranger who arranges for piano on a software, but doesn't play it could arrange something that could be impossible. The reason it's easy to transcribe on piano is because I know its boundaries on what's possible and what's not. Oh yeah that's another secret of mine. Know the natural instruments' limitations.

Jill-Jênn
June 10th, 2008, 08:50 pm
Lol it can't be a pianist. Too accurate for that.
What boundaries are you talking about? You mean you can "guess" the left hand?

PorscheGTIII
June 11th, 2008, 12:56 am
The competition is tentatively planed to end June 30, 2008 at 11:59.99PM EST.


Talk it up guys. I thought we wanted to stop then, but whatever it takes for us to finish this will work.

1. I believe it is a computer recording.
2. It is playable just your average Joe can't play it. This guy has had the guy from ~primenotes~ play some of his stuff I believe. See this as an example... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcjjBU-iNA0
3. The left hand is actually pretty simple. You'll kick yourself in the butt when you see it. :P
4. Like Noir7 would have said, all quiters will receive uncool points. :P

brncao
June 11th, 2008, 01:24 am
Computer recording? Aw that sucks. At least it sounds possible. I'm gonna trust the arranger.


Lol it can't be a pianist. Too accurate for that.
What boundaries are you talking about? You mean you can "guess" the left hand?

As in physical limitation. I've seen arrangements that make you stretch WAY over an octave. There are even arrangements that make you play beyond your pitch range and sometimes chords are used when clearly your instrument doesn't support it. Those kinds of boundaries and limitations. If you don't know them, then you'll have a very tough time arranging songs like from an orchestra. Synthesized music on the otherhand... everything's possible so it's really difficult.

Gotank
June 11th, 2008, 01:30 am
As in physical limitation. I've seen arrangements that make you stretch WAY over an octave. There are even arrangements that make you play beyond your pitch range and sometimes chords are used when clearly your instrument doesn't support it. Those kinds of boundaries and limitations. If you don't know them, then you'll have a very tough time arranging songs like from an orchestra. Synthesized music on the otherhand... everything's possible so it's really difficult.

Nooooo, that sounds exactly like all the mistakes my transcriptions have....
*runs around panicking*
I'll have to go back and look at my arrangements later and fix all these issues =(

Jill-Jênn
June 11th, 2008, 07:51 pm
By the way this record couldn't be played by a human, because at this speed, to play all notes with the same strength...

I didn't understand you Porsche. Is it reported or not?

I'll make it with the PMX language :) You know, that code (http://forums.ichigos.com/showpost.php?p=404138&postcount=3) ^^

PorscheGTIII
June 17th, 2008, 09:21 pm
Is what reported? :huh:

Jill-Jênn
June 17th, 2008, 09:23 pm
The deadline :)

Jill-Jênn
June 18th, 2008, 11:54 am
I'm still in the game, but can you extend the deadline till the end of August? I have summer classes and I don't have time to work on it.
I didn't understand you Porsche. Is it reported or not?Hey Porsche, could you quickly answer? I have to go to Paris for my contests very soon...

PorscheGTIII
June 18th, 2008, 08:25 pm
So you want to extend the deadline? We can do that. When's it best for everyone? Is the end of July good or do you want to go to the end of August?

Jill-Jênn
June 18th, 2008, 08:30 pm
End of July is fine for me, but brncao seems to prefer August.

Thanks Porsche.

Maybe there will be some more participants ^^

Gotank
June 20th, 2008, 11:37 pm
Hmm, guess I'll give this a shot... about 3/7 of the way through the song right now...

By the way, how do you want us to submit our entries to you?

Oh ya... and about what I said regarding chords in this song... I was wrong =((( this song is full of chords...

royersensei
June 21st, 2008, 12:13 am
it sounds great, i want to enter the game too

InfinityEX
June 21st, 2008, 12:49 am
4. Like Noir7 would have said, all quiters will receive uncool points. :P

Awww shiet =.=".....

Gotank
June 21st, 2008, 12:57 am
Infinity how far along is yours coming along? I'm still fairly confident that last place will be mine, especially when listening to the half finished product =)

InfinityEX
June 21st, 2008, 05:12 am
Infinity how far along is yours coming along? I'm still fairly confident that last place will be mine, especially when listening to the half finished product =)

I practically gave up after listening to the song :heh::heh::heh:

Gotank
June 21st, 2008, 07:33 am
Wohoo, it's finished.... Sent it to Porsche...
Should we also post it here or is cheating a concern?
Back to Clannad stuff now...

PorscheGTIII
June 21st, 2008, 03:22 pm
Now the grading of Gotank's transcription begins... BWAHAHAHA!!! :rukia:

EDIT: At first glance, nice job by the way. :)

EDIT 2: Why did you write this one section in a different time signature. This is going to take a while. XD

Gotank
June 21st, 2008, 07:02 pm
Wait, what?! I'm fairly sure I didn't make any time signature mistakes... =S
Bah, whatever lol. At the end I really got tired of the song, so some stuff in the very end were just random guesses...

ShiningMoon
June 22nd, 2008, 02:49 am
This guy just wants US to do the WORK for him (transcribe)... :S

Nyu001
June 22nd, 2008, 03:00 am
To do the work for him when he already have the sheet music?

PorscheGTIII
June 22nd, 2008, 03:44 am
This guy just wants US to do the WORK for him (transcribe)... :S

Oh no you caught me! :o

:\

:sigh:

InfinityEX
June 22nd, 2008, 05:23 am
This guy just wants US to do the WORK for him (transcribe)... :S

Yeah lmao x]
Porsche can't transcribe! He's an uber nub :lol:

He can't even play the piano >.>.....

brncao
June 22nd, 2008, 05:14 pm
I have finals at the end of july. I'm not putting my efforts to waste you know. Definitely august some time.

Damn it Porsche. Why did ya have to give away hints? x_x I'm not gonna say anything cuz I hope no one sees this hint:bleh: and if you do, keep it to yourselves.

PorscheGTIII
June 23rd, 2008, 01:28 am
So how does August 15th, 2008 at 11:59.999pm EST sound for everyone?

royersensei
June 23rd, 2008, 01:37 am
man, but you just want we make the work for you (the music sheet)
but is ok, i like make music sheet cuz that gaves you more experience to
be a best musician, ho, and waht did you tell will be the prize?

Gotank
June 23rd, 2008, 07:06 am
Haha, I hope no one's getting the wrong idea here from our jokes... Porsche already has the official sheet music for this particular piece, so it doesn't benefit him at all to have people transcribe it again; in fact, he's putting in effort to grade it afterwards, so it's more like a contribution from him for a bit of fun for the rest of us.

I'm not sure there will be a prize, since it's a fun event; probably just glory and recognition or whatever =)

PorscheGTIII
June 23rd, 2008, 08:45 pm
If Gand ever gets back to me, the winner may be recognized on http://www.ichigos.com/

Jill-Jênn
June 25th, 2008, 07:09 am
EDIT 2: Why did you write this one section in a different time signature. This is going to take a while. XDHas the "this" to be in this sentence? What does that mean?


Damn it Porsche. Why did ya have to give away hints? x_xHmmm I don't think there is a hint.


So how does August 15th, 2008 at 11:59.999pm EST sound for everyone?Great :)


If Gand ever gets back to me, the winner may be recognized on http://www.ichigos.com/Wow :D

By the way Porsche, don't you note dynamics? Or is it in the "Crescendo/Decrescendo" part?

brncao
June 25th, 2008, 05:23 pm
Lol. You're not trying to pull more hints out of him are you? Do not question his judgement :cracker: and Porsche do not say anything about the sheets until deadline.

I was only joking about the hint. There are no hints ;)

Jill-Jênn
June 25th, 2008, 06:25 pm
I was only joking about the hint. There are no hints ;)Hmmm, I'm sceptical :D

PorscheGTIII
June 25th, 2008, 09:00 pm
By the way Porsche, don't you note dynamics? Or is it in the "Crescendo/Decrescendo" part?

Yup, that falls under the expression category.

It's final then. I'll change the due date to August 15th, 2008 at 11:59.999pm EST.

Also, do you want me to announce the score to beat, post everyone's score at once at the end of the contest, or only announce the winner?

Gotank
June 25th, 2008, 10:11 pm
I wouldn't mind knowing my score right now... but maybe they think differently.

oh, and by the way, what's the meaning of 11:59.999?

Jill-Jênn
June 26th, 2008, 06:19 pm
Milliseconds :)

PorscheGTIII
June 26th, 2008, 08:23 pm
You can post your entry any time that day, but as soon as it changes to the next day in Eastern Standard Time, you're SOL.

Jill-Jênn
June 27th, 2008, 09:18 am
What does "SOL" mean? ^^ Sucked, Over, Loser? :)

Gotank
June 27th, 2008, 09:51 am
SoL stands for Statue of Liberty, duh. Those that don't turn in their transcriptions on time get turned into statues. Muahahha.

Jill-Jênn
June 27th, 2008, 10:01 am
Gulp.

--
Jill-Jênn, currently in Paris \o/

PorscheGTIII
June 28th, 2008, 04:04 am
...OR...

it could mean Sorry Out of Luck. :P

Jill-Jênn
June 28th, 2008, 10:57 pm
Haha I didn't understand "Statue of Liberty" was a joke ^^

Jill-Jênn
July 11th, 2008, 08:50 am
Almost finished!

Jill-Jênn
July 14th, 2008, 03:19 pm
Finished :) PorscheGTIII, I sent it to you ;)

PorscheGTIII
July 15th, 2008, 12:26 am
Got it.

Jill-Jênn
July 15th, 2008, 06:30 am
Gotta catch 'em all!

brncao
July 15th, 2008, 06:19 pm
So that leaves me and royersensei (InfinityEX gave up so he gets major uncool points :cracker:

My status? Still the same since my last post. Just need to finish the bass in the second part and add expressions, articulations, and other nuances. How about you royersensei?

I might have a reward myself as well for whoever wins. Just maybe.

Gotank
July 15th, 2008, 09:08 pm
Hmm, haven't heard much from royersensei.

Btw Porsche, you misspelled 'planned' in both the two red announcements. =p

PorscheGTIII
July 15th, 2008, 09:56 pm
I got a confirmation from Gand the other day. The winner will receive recognition on the main site for winning this contest. I'm almost done grading Gotank's transcription.

InfinityEX
July 16th, 2008, 10:04 am
InfinityEX gave up so he gets major uncool points :cracker:

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :bleh:

coldness
July 23rd, 2008, 12:59 pm
You will provide the site with the actual sheet music for this won't you? At the end? Does the place have more touhou music as well?

PorscheGTIII
July 25th, 2008, 01:10 am
Of course. ^_^

brncao
July 25th, 2008, 01:32 am
For the title, can you tell me what would I put as the title name and subtitle? I don't know if you put them together cuz it's really long. Plus I can't paste nor type japanese fonts into finale even with the font already installed.

PorscheGTIII
July 25th, 2008, 01:37 am
How every you want to do it is fine. I know it's hard to put in Japanese fonts into Finale. I used to know how to do it but I forgot. :heh:

Gotank
July 25th, 2008, 01:48 am
Speaking of fonts... Does anyone know how to write in the '~' symbol into Sibelius? Regardless of where I use it, Sibelius considers it a midi message and hides it when producing the actual sheets. I've had to replace those '~' with the much inferior '-' in the titles of like 4 transcriptions now =.=

brncao
July 25th, 2008, 10:04 pm
Finished! Guess the due date should've been the end of July lol. I finished the semester a week early (I thought it was the end of July.. oh well). That leaves royersensei left. Don't know if he's coming back.

Before I submit, is "Runa Daiaru" the title and "touhou kurenai ma sato gatsu tokei" the subtitle?

Jill-Jênn
July 26th, 2008, 01:02 pm
I think so. Touhou is a game.

Gotank
July 26th, 2008, 11:09 pm
Jill-Jênn come join the fun =D
it's not very exciting with only 3 participants in a competition.

Jill-Jênn
July 26th, 2008, 11:10 pm
What do you mean? :D I participate :)

Gotank
July 26th, 2008, 11:12 pm
Oh, haha... Wow...
I got you mixed with sperion i think =p
Ya... you're one of the 3 =(

Wish we had more people though.

Jill-Jênn
July 26th, 2008, 11:13 pm
There is clarinetist too in the list. But no sign of life.

PorscheGTIII
August 7th, 2008, 09:01 pm
Heads up. There is a little over a week until this contest ends. ;)

clarinetist
August 7th, 2008, 10:17 pm
There is clarinetist too in the list. But no sign of life.

:\ Hate to say it, but I won't be able to participate in this. Something just came up, and I don't really have much time to do this.

Jill-Jênn
August 7th, 2008, 10:18 pm
So we're three.

Jill-Jênn
August 14th, 2008, 06:47 am
One day to go!

brncao
August 14th, 2008, 08:21 pm
Did you have my transcription Porsche?

Jill-Jênn
August 14th, 2008, 08:22 pm
No, you're fired.

PorscheGTIII
August 14th, 2008, 09:49 pm
Did you have my transcription Porsche?

Yes.

This competition will be over tomorrow night so any later entrants must submit whatever they have done if they wish to participate.

Jill-Jênn
August 16th, 2008, 07:26 am
Well, I think it is totally over now :D

coldness
August 16th, 2008, 02:53 pm
so what's the website with the touhou sheet finished already?

PorscheGTIII
August 16th, 2008, 04:38 pm
http://pianoscore.sakura.ne.jp/music.html

Note: After looking at the entries, there are some sections on this sheet that are not exactly what is played. The entrants will not be docked for these sections.


The grading officially begins!

Gotank
August 16th, 2008, 05:35 pm
Holy cow I failed =.=
Lousy chords... And the time signature thing....
And the original music didn't bother to write in the key change at bar 13 it seems, leading to the adding of a lot of natural signs.

Jill-Jênn
August 16th, 2008, 07:26 pm
Note: After looking at the entries, there are some sections on this sheet that are not exactly what is played. The entrants will not be docked for these sections.Groar. I spent a lot of time on bars 33-40.

Edit: I can understand you don't have enough time to transcribe yourself the sheet music in order to let us earn some points on these passages, but that's what should have been done :(

PorscheGTIII
August 16th, 2008, 09:35 pm
Good News: I'm about 83% done checking everything. I have one transcription fully graded and 3/4 of the other two.

Bad News: The last section I have to check is the most time consuming.

On the Bright Side: Going into the last section the difference between 1st and 3rd place is only 5.375 points. It will be a very close one!

Each of you did an excellent job! ^_^

Gotank
August 17th, 2008, 01:38 am
Well, that's a positive way of putting it, the other interpretation is that we all did a similarly terrible job =D

Jill-Jênn
August 17th, 2008, 07:19 am
I think you didn't do my meter changes... :D
4 4, 6 4, 3 4, 15 8, 9 8, etc.

PorscheGTIII
August 29th, 2008, 11:37 pm
Either Tonight, Tomorrow, Sunday, or Monday I will have the results. Sorry for taking so long. :heh:

Jill-Jênn
August 29th, 2008, 11:43 pm
Ok, thanks!

PorscheGTIII
August 29th, 2008, 11:58 pm
The Winner is...

Jill-Jênn!

Here are the scores...


Jill-Jênn - 87.260
brncao - 83.447
Gotank - 75.603


All contestants did an excellent job! Congratulations! I'll be in touch with Gand about the prize. ^_^

Jill-Jênn
August 30th, 2008, 05:45 pm
Thanks a lot!

I have to say what follows (because if I hadn't won you can be sure I would have said it :D): when I saw the sheet used for the correction, I remarked mistakes so I was sad (and a bit angry) because I had spent a lot of time on the bars which were wrong in the "official sheet", and PorscheGTIII said they would be removed from correction.

However, nonetheless, nevertheless (and notwithstanding too) (I'm studying English), PorscheGTIII has already spent a lot of time on organizing this contest and on correcting (fortunately there weren't many contestants), so thank you, PorscheGTIII :)

Let's go back to hol... work ;)

Gotank
August 30th, 2008, 10:33 pm
lol I failed =)
None the less a good bit of fun. Will you be posting the entry sheets or midis?

Anyways, thank you for grading!

vadponfra
September 30th, 2009, 05:30 am
Thanks for sharing. It's great