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Noir7
September 14th, 2004, 09:19 pm
I'll be writing an article about mp3 making, since so many people don't know how to do this, but really want to.If you have any questions or opinions, please don't PM or email me about it...use this thread as a help topic, and post all of your questions here. I also don't want any questions if you haven't read the whole article. I wrote a complex way to do it, and a simple way. The complex way is much, much more professional, and lets you create your music exactly the way you want though. Be aware that the complex version will let you edit your mp3 into climax, anything is possible with Cakewalk:sonar3.

Material needed: Cakewalk Sonar3: Producer's Edition & a proper soundcard [ Complex version, best quality ]

Finale2004 [ Simple version, simplistic mp3s ]

COMPLEX VERSION

-The first step is to get a good soundfonts. Soundfonts replace the original MIDI sounds with real instrument samples (mostly). There are alot of good, free soundfonts out there, but the trick is to find them. I would suggest www.hammersound.net for your primary soundfont downloading. Of course there are more sites, just take a search on google. When you're looking at the soundfonts, choose the instruments you need for the MIDI. So if you have a MIDI file with piano and strings only, just download a good piano soundfont and a good string orchestra soundfont. When you've downloaded them, you must add them to your soundcard. Depending on your soundcard, there are many ways to do this. The easiest way is to locate your soundcard software (ie. C:/Programs/Creative/AHQTB.exe). When you've opened the program, you will get a control panel of some sort, depending of what soundcard you use. If you have Soundblaster Creative, it looks like this:

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Xaijon/ahqtb.jpg

When you are there, go to \"Soundfonts\" and if you're not totally incompetent you will know what to do here. XD

- Okay, now when you have a good sound, it's time for you to get the right software. The best, in my opinion, is a program called Cakewalk Sonar3: Producer's Edition.

I don't care how you want to get it, if you are getting it legally or illegally, that's not my problem. When you have that program opened, simply load your MIDI file. Once you've done that, you will see different tracks. These tracks represent the instruments, so if you had piano and strings, you'll see 2 tracks. Click "Insert" and then choose Audio Track.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Xaijon/sonar.jpg

By doing this, you see a new track appearing, and now you can start recording the MIDI file! (later on, in this tutorial)

- Now you must open your computer's soundcontrols. You do this by clicking on the icon next the clock in the lower right corner of the screen. You have probably set the recording as "Microphone". Uncheck that box, and change it to "MIDI".

- Now when you've done all this, it's time to record. If you have done everything correctly, you can now do it with no problems. First off, click the little "R" button on the Audio track that you added. Then, search for a button (below the top menu) that will turn OFF the Metronome. Now click "Record" and wait until the MIDI has played through. When that's done, go to File > Export Audio and then choose the destination folder. Also make sure you save is as a .WAV file! This file will probably get big, somewhere around 20-30MB, depending of the song length. Now when you have the wave file, the hard part is done. Now you just have to find a converting program that lets go convert WAVE > MP3. A good program is Awave Studio.

- Another thing you can do to highly spice things up, is to add ambience effects. This is done fast and easy, but needs testing and such to make it feel right. First click CTRL+A, so that you mark the whole audio track, and then go to "Process", and from there, search the Audio Effects (I think it's Audio Effects, I don't have the program right now..) and then look for "Reverb". There you can choose from a lot of different reverbs like concert halls, rooms, space etc...

Just to make things clear, you don't have to do all this stuff every single time you convert. Just repeat the process you made in Cakewalk: Insert the MIDI, record using the "MIDI" option in the soundcontrols, instead of the "Microphone" that will probably be marked, and then export as Mp3!

Questions? Anything that is unclear or doesn't work? Post everything in this thread, and I will help you out. Also note that I can't help out with the actual hardware issues, like your soundcard errors etc. I hope this tutorial has been to good use for all the people out there who wanted to spice their 8mb MIDI sounds to a full live orchestra!

SIMPLE VERSION

- Be sure to have Finale2004 installed on your computer. Not Finale notepad, it doesn\'t have this special feature...

- Load your MIDI file into Finale2004. Finale won't always playback the MIDI the right way... some MIDIs sound weird, but it's not that common. Just wish for luck.

- When you've checked that the MIDI file sounds as it should in Finale2004, you simply save it as an mp3, instead of something else. You have this option in the top main menu.

- By doing this, you will get a MIDI sounding mp3, but it will still sound ALOT better than a MIDI file. If you want to make it sound more realistic, or add special instruments/sounds you can get new soundfonts. I explained how to do this in the complex version.

I added some mp3 samples. These are MIDI sounds that I convert via Sonar3. These are all originally MIDI files, converted with the "Complex version" of mp3 making.

http://www.mediashrine.com/Downloads/Fluid3-Harp.mp3 [Harp]
http://www.mediashrine.com/Downloads/Fluid3-Piano.mp3 [Piano]
http://www.mediashrine.com/Downloads/Fluid...estra%20Hit.mp3 (http://www.mediashrine.com/Downloads/Fluid3-Orchestra%20Hit.mp3) [Orchestra Hit]

So...it's up to you to choose how good quality you want for your mp3s. It's exactly like comparing MS Paint with Adobe Photoshop. With Paint, you can do all the basic stuff, and very fast too, but with Photoshop, you can make incredible graphics and stuff...but it takes time to properly learn how to use it! If you learn how to handle the complex version, you will surely have compositions so realistic that no one will hear the difference, since many soundfonts are recordings of REAL samples of an instrument.

Good luck!

Darren
September 15th, 2004, 12:27 am
wow, I have been using the "simple version", and didn't realize I can achieve higher sound quality by recording with other soundfonts. thanks for providing the link of the soundfonts.

by the way, I remembered you mentioned about Sonar's "ambience sound" in couple of other posts. can you also give us some tips about that?

Madmazda86
September 15th, 2004, 11:18 am
Thanks for the tutorial, Noir - I think I'll invest in some decent flute and oboe soundfonts as the MIDI ones I have sound really nasty.

Also it might be worth adding that those who don't have sufficient funds for Sonar 4 (which is shipping at US$959 atm @_@) or Finale 2004, and are unsure how/don't want to get it illegally, you can save compositions as mp3s in Melody Assistant (courtesy of Sephiroth, see Composition Programs thread) which costs US$20, though I've not tried it so I don't know how good the mp3s are. (Sephiroth??)

Of course, those who want good results for their mp3s would have to fork out the extra money for a good program ;)

Noir7
September 15th, 2004, 11:43 am
Yeah, this tutorial is aimed mostly for those who actually wants to get somewhere with their songs ^_^

Oh, I added a little something about Ambiance effects.

Sephiroth
September 15th, 2004, 03:04 pm
thanks noir and sorry about the pm :heh:

Matt
September 16th, 2004, 12:09 pm
ok i got the problem that there are "background clicks and crackles" when i record a midi per sonar in an audio track =_= . I don't know why, can anyone help me? -_-

Noir7
September 16th, 2004, 12:30 pm
What's your settings in the Soundcontrol panel? (near the Windows clock)

Matt
September 16th, 2004, 06:53 pm
ok my settings:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/animebase/soundcontrol.JPG
http://mitglied.lycos.de/animebase/soundcontrol2.JPG
http://mitglied.lycos.de/animebase/audiodevices.JPG
http://mitglied.lycos.de/animebase/audioHQ.JPG

maybe it's be course of the DC01?
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Xaijon/ahqtb.jpg <- other one :think:

Noir7
September 16th, 2004, 06:56 pm
It shouldn&#39;t matter, it should work with any version of that soundcard unless it&#39;s from the Stoneage or something. You have the right options too... could you post your song here, so maybe I can figure it out what&#39;s wrong with it.

Matt
September 16th, 2004, 07:02 pm
i&#39;ll post it next week, ok? i&#39;m pretty busy atm with my preparations for the berlin excursion next week. i&#39;ll be back at friday, gonna post it as soon as possible then. ;)

Noir7
September 16th, 2004, 07:04 pm
Sure sure.

Matt
September 24th, 2004, 06:47 pm
i&#39;m back from berlin (with a lot of musical inspiration ;)) there is no need to send you a midi... i recorded an improvisation per line-in with Sonar3/Magix Music Maker/Windows Recorder today and there are the same clacks and crackles, like the ones from the midi. It has to be a problem with the recording itself, be course this BG noises aren&#39;t there when i just listen to the songs without recording.

Matt
September 24th, 2004, 07:19 pm
ok. a friend of mine says, that there are these BG noises be course it&#39;s analog.
anyone knows how to make it digital? :doh:

Noir7
September 24th, 2004, 10:57 pm
Hook up your keyboard with Sonar3..

Matt
September 25th, 2004, 09:45 am
i did that ._.´´ like i said line-in.

Neko Koneko
September 25th, 2004, 10:08 pm
Why isn&#39;t this pinned? *pins*

Alfonso de Sabio
March 23rd, 2005, 02:14 am
I found a way to do it using Finale 2002, Anvil Studio, and Creative Player combined. All of those are free except for Finale, but most people have that already.

Also, quick question. My WAV file is too big to post. Are MP3&#39;s smaller, and if so, how do I convert it?

Plod
March 23rd, 2005, 03:28 am
Huttah&#33; Here&#39;s a guide to converting your WAV file to an MP3 with Sound Recorder. Open the spoiler to see it.

Show spoiler (javascript:void(0);)<span style="display: none;" id="QUOTE"> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/haku_hikari/wave2mp3.png </span>

Alfonso de Sabio
March 23rd, 2005, 11:00 am
Forums are amazing, aren&#39;t they? Thanks so much.

Carnival
March 27th, 2005, 11:32 pm
Can anyone tell me how to go MP3->MIDI?

Gnomish
March 27th, 2005, 11:40 pm
Actually, I used to use a program to make WAV -> MP3 with just about 5 clicks of the mouse. It&#39;s called CDex, and it makes it very simple. I recommend this method.

EDIT: MP3 -> MIDI is nearly impossible. It can be done, but it&#39;s best just to transcribe it from ear into a midi. It doesn&#39;t work very well since MP3 is a live audio recording, whereas MIDI is just a computer-sequenced synthesis of noise.

Al
March 28th, 2005, 12:37 am
http://forums.ichigos.com/index.php?showtopic=2517 <-- mp3 to midi

Carnival
March 29th, 2005, 01:27 am
Darn It&#33;&#33;&#33;