I've been learning the piano for like almost 10 years ? I'm 17 right now. Having the major exam in M'sia this year. I was thinking about what should i do after my studies. Should I take music ? I have passion in music but i still dont really know whether i should take music. I wanna be some musician someday at the same time maybe i could be something else..
should i be talking about this here. ;o well i hope someone can talk me outta my whole career thingy and get something . ;D

I have this issue as well. :/ I love Psychology and I was planning on going into that, but I also love flute so much I could never give it up. So I was debating on taking both, and majoring in one. But I don't know completely yet. I'm in my 5th year of flute, and still enjoying it. My suggestion is, go with what you love most. It's pointless to wake up everyday hating what you do. Choose what you'll enjoy, but also get the most out of. If music is your passion, then go with it. When obstacles arise you'll be less likely to give up on it. But, that's just my opinion. :]

No.
IF you can do anything else then go for that.
Music works wonders as a passion or hobby for your spare time while a career in music may lead to a shortage of paid work.

Not trying to talk you out of it or anything but...:heh:
I've taken some music classes in college and from what I've heard you gotta be really good if you want to be able to make it big. There was a local composer that came to our college to speak and she said "You don't know when your next paycheck will come so you have to grasp every opportunity you get even if it is overwhelmingly difficult." On average a 4 year music degree usually earns much less than any other 4 year degree. Plus it's highly competitive, you have to compete with those before you, those in your class, and those that are coming up behind you. But yeah if you have passion for it then I say go for it if you want. Piano as a hobby with a different degree should be fine as well, you could always go back and get your music degree or become a piano teacher as a side job.

you gota be really good and love music. Thing with universities and courses is that they dont give you a real good idea of what kind of REAL JOBs our out their. Like for example if your going to take a history major, what can you be? a teacher? As for music, your either going into be a concert pianist, song writer/ performer or participate in a band / orchestral group. Those are just some examples of the carers available to you.

But don't let that stop you :P Im sure you've heard of people who are in WAYYYY different carers then their major in college. Like a guy who has a bachelors in biology but works as a financial adviser. It just proves no one really sticks to their field if they find out what theyv been studying is actually not for them. I love music and play piano too, but I would never do that as a job. Instead, im in a digital technologies program that i have interests in (computers / graphic design / programming languages). And I know i wouldnt mind some of the jobs that i know i can get later on.

Bottom line: 3 things.

#1 What you love to do. (find out what real jobs are out their)
#2 What makes money. (how much does it pay?)
#3 Difficulty (Time, luck? paitence, connections, hookups, popularity)

Fortunately for me, my hobbies and interest also have good paying jobs that I love to do. And its not too *hard* to get accepted into the work im doing.

But like actresses , singers and "MUSICIANS". Its pretty hard to get famous unless your really. That. Good.

look into science, do what i'm doing and study a science, doesn't matter between biology, geology, chem, physic's, etc, and just use your music skills as a hobby. Although, I don't recommend biology or chemistry unless you're very passionate/into them because a lot of people declare those as their major.. but if you like math go into a science like physics or geophysics! there will always be decent paying jobs for people who like science and don't mind academia, as in willing to go to graduate school. I wouldn't do music as my major though because of the small outlook.

RiinNAY: I think I find myself in the same position as you. I want to go to music college. Really, i feel its the only thing i can do without screwing up, and has always been what i wanted to do.

Yet when i tell people this, they think it's a stupid idea. Im one of the best oboists in the county and im principle oboe in one of the country's top youth symphonic wind orchestras. When i told my oboe teacher i wanted to go to music college, she almost burst out laughing. A music college degree is very focused, and is based mainly around performing. To earn a living as a performer you have to be -the- best, and even then you might not make it. There's always people at specialist music schools or people who dont even go to school and have been playing since they were two. And these are the people youre up against.

However, ive decided thats what i want to do, so regardless of what people say, im going for it anyway. Even if i end up working a desk job 9-5 and then playing in an amateur orchestra on monday nights, at least I'll have done something i wanted to do.

If its what you want to do, then go for it. If it's money you want, then dont. Just dont allow other people to stand in the way of you. Better to try and not succeed, than not to try and never know what couldve been.

Good luck [:

I am also on the path to being a musician. This doesn't mean you should just incorporate performing as the end all of end all.

I am a pianist, able to compose many styles, good in theory and can talk expansive & listen to music. Plan A. I would like to go to college (working to attend Curtis for Bach. of Music) and then take off on a performing career. Plan A2. When the performing dies down a little bit, used saved money and get a Masters in Piano and/or Theory. Plan B. Take most focus from performing to teaching-- University level piano and/or theory. Plan B2).Attend for a Doctorate and become a full-time professor at a given music college. Plan C. "Songwriting" and publish the music for record companies (hard to get into, but still very possible). This would include writing under a stage-name for contemporary music, or any other kind of music that can attract A mass (not particularly THE mass) of people.

You see, in music you can go through many avenues. With the piano you can do solo, concerto, chamber and piano collaboration. There's four BIG possibilities you can get into. With that teaching and giving classes.. six? People usually think that music means you're on the stage; you could also be that professor teaching theory or composition. Sure, the talent factor comes in, but hard work applies to anything.

I hope you will continue on to what is right in your heart as well as in your mind. Prayers and all!

NaviAria6 : Hahah.. quite lots of people have this issue ? ;/ I was thinking out studying Psychology as well ! Maybe i could take double degree. But Msia doesnt have double degree. ); Ahh.. do what you love most. Someone told me about this too. I'll be thinking about this very often. haha.Well.. thanks NaviAria6!! :D

HanTony: Hey, HanTony. I'm quite sure i could do something else than music. A career in music might lead to shortage of paid work. But what if i dont mind the pay? I'm not saying that i dont care about money. Money will come when you deserve it?

Keiichii Kun : haha.. Does being really good matters? What if I'm the-hardworking-type? I'll work my ass off to get whatever I want. ' There was a local composer that came to our college to speak and she said "You don't know when your next paycheck will come so you have to grasp every opportunity you get even if it is overwhelmingly difficult." ' This is kinda scary. :/ But it wont be scary enough to scare me off! Maybe I should think about it? Taking other courses other than music. I learn the violin too. So I can even teach violin and piano at the same time ?

serulin: I wouldn't say i'm really good in music. But i LOVE MUSIC. I'm sure universities wont give me a good idea of the outside world. I dont know what i'm going to be. i'm still doing some research about it and i need someone to explain it to me. :D Im thinking of joining the MPO (Malaysian Philharmonic Orchestra). Maybe i could start something over there.

:D It wont. Maybe i should take music as my hobby. Like Queen. They play really good music and they have their background. And they made it. Famous and loaded. ;X I have other interests too, but music is the one for me. I kinda suck in almost everything. I have passion for music and i'll do everything to make it a success.

Thanks for 3 things. :D I can see that you're doing well. Your one lucky being. Hahha. Thanks for the advice!

oLphant : Studying science would be great too. I love science, but music comes first. like i said, maybe i should take music as my hobby? and if ''something'' happen someone would notice me if im really that good. its like really wonderful. Great things do happen but it depends on ourselves. thanks tho!:D

Gekkeiju : I think a lot of people is in my position as i see it. I also feel the same way like you do sometimes! BUT.. have confidence and work hard and you'll make it.

You're one great guy eh. I dont think its a stupid idea. A lot of my friends support me. :D Well i do support you. You're one of the best oboists in the country. you can take this as your career. Your oboe teacher has her/his opinion i guess. Maybe he/she thinks that its hard and if you dont like what you do, you'll get really fed up and eventually your passion fades away. To be the best performer is really tough. ): There's lots and lots of talented and powerful performers. We have to practice and brush up our skills to get to the top. Practice is the key. :D I haven been practicing for quite some time because of my major exam. Maybe its just some reason. I've had not to say lots of experience but i see one of my friend she's really talented but she's not taking music as her career. She's in the UK studying law right now and she's really clever and hardworking! She earns lots of money when performing in those TV station and radio station. She even got in

Good luck in your career! :D You'll do great!

I dont mind the money. I want to do it for myself. not for money or anybody else. thanks loads ehh! Appreciate what you guys share with me!

Mazeppa : I dont have the talent to compose music even though i listen to all kinds of good music. But I hope to be some great performer if i step in to the music field. Maybe teaching would be a part of my career other then being a performer. I can play the violin too. There's lots of pros in both piano and violin and i hope to be one of them!

The plans you have. They're good. Hahah. Its because you have already planned for yourself and i haven really plan mine. I really hope that i could take music as my as my career.


I would like to ask you a few questions about being a musician. If you would let me. :D Really appreciate that !

Thanks for the little talk. Heheh. :D and good luck in your career !

You don't have to be the most talented person to become a good musician as long as you are willing to work hard enough but it does help a bit lol. I agree with mazeppa that u might want to also consider other branches of music as well. For example, you might consider teaching or even something like music therapy.

lol offering some advice to people sharing this problem (like me lol!) one option is to major in one and minor in the other. Another option for those of u about to enter college... consider double-majoring in music and the other career. That way, if one of them, like music, doesn't work out for you, you aren't left without any options. However, understand that double majoring will be very difficult as you will be doing about twice the amount of effort. Personally, this is what i am going to try to do. Lol double major between music and law sounds fun ftw rofl. ANyways, good luck to all.

I have this issue in deciding as well, but I know how hard it is to work with anything in music. the thing is that I actually have the worst possible education right now - social science with concentration languages, combined with 13 years of practical studies in music - so I won't be able to get a job nor get into a uni after this year just because they changed the system of who are able to go to uni and no employer want someone without a "proper" education. I have another issue too... my asthma causes attacks when I play the flute. D: So I might go for composer, though I have like -8755675 in composing skills. And I've never actually read musical theory ever. XD

Anyway, my suggestion is... If you aren't reeeeeaaaaally good or think you could live by eating cheap food for lots of years and take all jobs you could get, go for something else.

I'm taking music in university right now as a pianist, and I feel I've made the best choice of my life. Even though theres much better pianists, it's what you love that counts, right? But if you're planning on going into music, be broad, don't JUST want to be a performer, learn to do everything, compose, conduct, perform, teach - being broad in my opinion is the true way to success.

I would like to ask you a few questions about being a musician. If you would let me. :D Really appreciate that !

I would be more than happy to do so! I am happy to help or assist in any way possible.

*sigh* I may end up going for a mathematics major first, get some money, and go for music performance/composition/theory afterward. I'm hoping to possibly get a double major (but I still don't know). I do have the potential to be successful with music, but I don't want to risk getting a music major and not being able to find a career with it. :/

Do know that anything with computer, music and digital art is highly popular nowadays. Only the most talented people will get their job in one of these domains....

Music Major isn't easy. I wouldn't major in Music and something else at same time. Music itself is almost triple Major anyway. It take hours and hours of practice. I'll encourage to not go in a music career. Unless u have a dying passion for it. U must b passionate enough to play in the street with no money and still b really happy with it. It takes a lot of dedication. If u have it go for it. If u don't, don't u'll just hurt urself in the end. Its a highly competitive field of work out there. I recommend u just play in marching band in college and get some side job playing music at a church or something, xtra cash is always good. good way to meet ppl imo 2.

I will echo what some one else said here. You don't have to be child prodigy or the next Mozart, but you need to be able to work hard and not give up. That's what it takes if this is what you want to do.

Look at me, as an example.. I just started playing Cello, finally, after years and years of never being able to afford lessons (even though I owned a Cello for over a year now.) And engraved in me for all of that time was the powerful desire to have music in my life on a professional level. I considered that part of me, and the other part that loves to help others. So, I've decided to go into university to learn to be a music therapist!

I used to think it was impossible since I never learned to play as a child, and I always felt envious of those who could afford lessons. But I know I can do it if I work hard. I'm eighteen, and always thought I was too old to even hope to have a career in music.. But, well, I am going to try nevertheless! So you have a one-up on me, love, since you have so much experience under your belt.

Please do what you love in life. I think it's important. The worst thing, in my opinion, is to realise later in life that you wasted your life in a career you don't like or feel passionate about. It's worth it, doing what you like, even if you have to struggle some to get there. Don't be discouraged.

All the best!

I think just about everyone in here wants to be a musician... I really love music and wanted to do that as my career. Some people I knew told me that might not be a good idea because I might not make much money. I have recentely decided that I don't care what other people think. I am going to music school. If I don't make money who cares? At least I will be doing what I love to do. So I say go for it...

In professional orchestras you will be asked to played, given the music and then usually the day before of day of you will get together and play it as an orchestra for the first time. Pay is not much unless you get hired as a soloist. If you think you are really good I would try to get in with the New York orchestra, the only orchestra that is unionized. Or try to get in with a theatre company. Other than that there is only minimal jobs like entertainment on cruise ships and weddings and stuff...jobs are hard to get and most people who do things like weddings have other jobs as well (I get hired out as a flute player at weddings and stuff). Teaching private lessons provides some income but I wouldn't reccomend trying to make a living off of it. Best bet; get your Bachelors of music and B. Ed and become a music teacher

I love the piano. I don't remember Why I picked it up but I am very crazy about music especially Classical. I've been playing the piano about a year or so and I'm working on Chopin Mazurkas and Polonaises soon. If you really want to go learn GO LEARN AND WORK HARD. I don't regret learning the piano at an late age. Better now than never I was 20 when I started or maybe 19. Go for what You love. I'm certainly going for it. I'm thinking of going to college Conceptional Art and Design (heres my deviant), (http://vatousuke.deviantart.com/)and take Piano as my major

actually I have to learn the Mazurkas and Polonaises now.

I'm in the same boat as you guys. I have a passion for music composition, and I love playing the piano, but truthfully and realistically, I'm not good enough to make it out there in the music field. Plus, I have a knack for math and science, and I'm more concerned with helping the world in the energy crisis or with poverty/disease. I'm trying for either chemical, environmental, or ecological engineering, or something to that effect. I am in LOVE with music, but I'm taking it as more of a side hobby. You should do whatever you feel you can succeed in, or what would make you happier. Wait until college to explore your courses and get a deeper sense of what each major experiences. I've heard from countless college speakers and advisers that studying for a major in music is exceedingly difficult; many people switch before graduating. Then again, no rush, wait until you can explore your options deeper. :)

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Do you think its worth becoming a musician if you know your never going to earn a lot? I think its a nice thing that could be a wonderful possibility. If you want it, go for it. Fly as far as your wings will take you is my advice. You never know where you might land, until you do. Plus you said you don't care for the money, then I would defiantly go for it. Decide if it is truly what you desire. If it is, "All good gifts come from God" to be a little religious here. Ask God, He will help, I promise you this. And even with a broken dream, it can be mended :) trust me :) I've learned

Turns out that my auntie Pat plays the organ for a local church. The pay is good and she only needs to know a few songs. Ideal for her as a retired person earning extra income. Not enough hours for a full time wage though.

I've been learning the piano for like almost 10 years ? I'm 17 right now. Having the major exam in M'sia this year. I was thinking about what should i do after my studies. Should I take music ? I have passion in music but i still dont really know whether i should take music. I wanna be some musician someday at the same time maybe i could be something else..
should i be talking about this here. ;o well i hope someone can talk me outta my whole career thingy and get something . ;D

like...playing classical music and whatever or like in a band? ^_^

Thanks for all the advices. :D Really sorry for the late replies. :/

Well.. i still dont know whether i should enrol into a music college. Theres something in me stopping me from going into a music college. Theres also another part of me wants to do what i want. Anyways im doing a Pre-U now. Maybe after my pre u i still have time to get into a music college? is that kinda late or i still can turn back? i check out this music college in msia. im not sure whether its the best MC in msia. but there are alot of talented musicians in that college. so i guess it might a good place.

IceKr : i dont have a DYING PASSION in music. But i think i'll do better in the music industry than the others ? maybe im still confused about things. :/ but in malaysia the music industry doesnt go anywhere. ive thought about putting (?) music as a hobby. but if i can i would wanna do well in the music career.


kotone : whatever we do we'll do great? If you put in effort, you will get whatever you deserve. nothing is impossible. :/ we just have to do our best. thanks loads! :D

i dont have much time gonna reply another time. :)

ahh.. Pi Qua Quan.. i play classicals etc etc.. its good if i can get into a band. ;D if youre looking for a pianist or a violionst inform me! :D hahah

You can hear opinions from everyone in the world but the only way you'll know for real is to experience it yourself. It sounds like you really love music but your afraid that it might not work out. Well its not the end of the world or will be too late to change. Just go with your feeling, and if your feeling something is preventing you from doing it, then dont do it.

If you don't have connections from the inside, or the from the back door, you'll never make it in music.

Winning a competition and shutting yourself off from people won't do it either. You'll only be known for as long as your title as the winner of the competition. You have to have connections to introduce you to people and yo have to be a very social and easygoing person so people will love you as you are, and not just from your music.

It's sad, but it IS the truth. I don't know anybody (and no one will either) that has built a steady and good living becoming a musician on their own; it takes others to present you to the concert stage.

Can anyone please tell me what does exactly a sound designer do?? and afterwards,is it useful to become a composer?? and do you get well paid if you are a sound designer for a video game company?? I am really confused and not sure what to do as career..thanks in advance:)

no, lol. You don't have to major in music to be infatuated with music. Despite what a crazed horde of delusional musicians might say, financial security is important. Very important (hey, that's capitalism for ya).

Bread before, uh, bassoons...

I've been learning the piano for like almost 10 years ? I'm 17 right now. Having the major exam in M'sia this year. I was thinking about what should i do after my studies. Should I take music ? I have passion in music but i still dont really know whether i should take music. I wanna be some musician someday at the same time maybe i could be something else..
should i be talking about this here. ;o well i hope someone can talk me outta my whole career thingy and get something . ;D


You're lucky to have had lessons. I've had to teach myself how to play over about the same time period you've had lessons, and trust me, it didn't go over well :heh:


ANYhow, like some of the other ppl posting were saying, Musicianship is an awesome hobby and something you can do on the side for entertainment, or maybe to play in a cafe for a little pocket change, but to try and "make it big" requires an enormous amount of luck, patience, and teamwork if you're going into a band. It's even harder trying to go it alone. Best thing you can do is try to find a way to make your music stand out and sound not so generalized as I've noticed a lot of bands are doing nowadays. Like, I'll listen to http://www.Pandora.com/ for music, and it all sounds so bland and generic. If music is your passion, and you really want to pursue it, that's awesome.. but you have a LOT of bumpy roads ahead of you.


The best advice I can give you is that if you DO decide to pursue it as a career, don't be too disappointed if you don't get anywhere. There's a lot of people that can play piano pretty well. I mean, I can hardly read sheet music. It takes me hours to figure out 1 piece of music, marking up the paper with letters, but once I play it, I just remember everything, ya know? :P But I digress. Just try to find a way to stand out.. play at some cafes, have somebody recommend you, make up some compositions of your own, and see where life takes you.


Everything's a gamble. You don't know how it'll turn out unless you actually try it. =/
:heh:hehehh... this is really long. XD I'm not saying yea or nay, but just makin you aware that unless you have connections, it's going to be ridiculously hard to get reputation and to get noticed. Let me know what your final decision is on whether or not you actually go anywhere w/ it, I wunna know how things go for ya :P

Well, i've decided to study music and psychology. Would be good mix ? Anyways i'll be studying music therapy. :D I hope i could do well and get to improve my skills in both piano and violin. ;D

Sound engineer, i've this so-call-friend who is a sound engineer. His pay is quite nice. Not really sure about the video game thingy. But i think its where people wants you to record thier music or something like that? Mm..

gratz. Music theory and phsyc sounds like a good combination. Double major or major/minor? hope u have good luck with that. BTW, I would suggest that anyone interested in studying music in college also take another subject (either double major or as minor) since it can be very difficult to be succesful at music.

:D

Thanks! I'm majoring in music and minor in psycho. ;D hahah yeah.. and i still get to play my music. really happy with what i decided.

If you want to see if music can become your career, u just need to see one thing. Have you gotten first place in a majority of competitions you've participated in. If you have not joined many competition, do you honestly believe you can compete with the true professionals.

If you can or have, congratulations you'll be a great musician. If not, don't bother unless you want to live in a box. Get a different career and do music as a side thing. If some producer takes a liking to you one day as you play around with it as a hobby, then lucky you.

Teaching becomes competitive. I teach myself charging $55/h for inhome and 35 if they come over. Even then, its not worth it. Theres always going to be several hundred more teachers competing with you in a moderate sized city. If you join a company to work for, you might as well work in starbucks cause you'll be getting roughly the same pay but more hours.

Sounds harsh? Thats music as a career.

Lol, you are making it seem like being a music major=starving artist. XD Any music teacher I know of out here has at least 20-35 students, and at $40-50 per lesson, that's a fuckload of money, and that is on TOP of probably being in the philharmonic or something.

Or, what about the people composing music for video games and movies? I'm pretty sure there's alot of money to be made here as well, seeing as these games/movies get billions of dollars of revenue the first week in the box office/store...you CAN make money if you want to be a music major, you just need to pick the right field. :P

Yeah, I'm a music major as well and some people do think that it won't amount to much. But I plan on being a teacher which isn't too bad and teaching lessons on the side since I play every brass instrument at a decent level that I can teach any of them. I also hope to be a composer as well, but that's a whole different strech in itself.

Lol, you are making it seem like being a music major=starving artist. XD Any music teacher I know of out here has at least 20-35 students, and at $40-50 per lesson, that's a fuckload of money, and that is on TOP of probably being in the philharmonic or something.

Or, what about the people composing music for video games and movies? I'm pretty sure there's alot of money to be made here as well, seeing as these games/movies get billions of dollars of revenue the first week in the box office/store...you CAN make money if you want to be a music major, you just need to pick the right field. :P

It's all about connections and getting you name out there; weither it's teaching or composing, if your name is out there, you are NOT getting anything. Nada.

And, no, "Any music teacher" has gone through a lot of stuff to get to that point, let me tell you, and they'd better be in a great musical city if they were also in a great paying symphony, as you feel they are.

And composing for games and music? Yeah, probably. You really make it sound so easy. It isn't like you come out of school a music major, ESPECIALLY only a Bachelor's and then you're in the studio. Music major's aren't even considered unless they have a masters, and at that it's not that much. You must have a doctorate and a good foundation as a musician (word going around) in order to get a good money flow and engagements-- especially composing or movies and games to make a living.

Picking is only .003% of the part.

I have to point out that taking a Music degree is not everything. If you want to go further with music you really have to think outside the box. Take every opportunity you can get. Join societies, groups, events, performances etc.

I went into university with a huge enthusiasm for composing. It wasn't long before I realised that at that kind of academic level there's quite a lot of snobbery about what kind of music you should write (in my university anyway). It had to be "new" and "inventive", but not necessarily nice to listen to. My GOD, the only way to appreciate somebody's composition was to read the accompanying 3 pages of programme notes. Otherwise listening to somebody playing a cello with the wrong side of the bow for 10 minutes or whatever is not very enjoyable. Kind of the equivalent of a pickled cow that's been cut in half - but in music form.

Anyway, just saying that a degree is not everything :P There are many people who became successful in music without any real qualifications, for example Nobuo Uematsu (composer for many Final Fantasy games) didn't really concentrate on music all his life. Of course, having qualifications can help you.

As for me I've sort of strayed from the music path and am now teaching languages and doing community work. You can never really tell what you'll end up doing but if you have a huge passion for something I'm sure you can get what you want in the end. It just seems like mine ended up being something different!

Actually there's more options than music performance, and you can "combine" or do more than one major. Like some people have pointed out there's...

ethnomusicology
music therapy
music teaching (elementary, secondary)
sound engineering
music criticism, music history
...professional busking...

Things are most likely more highly competitive since "high brow" music is dying (at least jazz).

although Mazeppa has a good point, it doesn't mean you have to be paganini or something to be a musician. Of coursed titles at competitions, solo appearances, and such help, but aren't absolutely vital to becoming a musician.

I'm thinking of shifting of my career to music. Music inspires many people, because many humans live their life to music.And also it is a good source of extra money which can help me on my daily living.

Well, best wishes to you then. Don't be too discouraged especially early on. Nobody starts out playing Paganini and Rachmaninoff.

must you really have to HAVE CONNECTIONS? If you're good, you'll be where you are. i know i sound like some immature kid. but if you depend on all your connection, it still wont satisfy me(?). you might be famous and rich as hell but you wont get the feeling of satisfaction.

i love being a famous musician. everyone loves to be famous, right! RIGHT!!

"......"

good connections aren't mandatory but trust me, they can help you a lot! For example, if you study under some famous musician and are trying to enter a college, a letter of recommendation from that musician is more impressive than some ordinary teacher who does not have any noteriety. Also, having connections opens unseen doorways that you would usually not have found out otherwise, especially if you are new to music.

Studying under a famous musician who will recommend you IS a connection. Tell me how it is not.

You must have connections to have a LONG LASTING, STEADY career in the music world (performance). Don't argue with me on this, trust me.

Yeah, trust want Mazeppa says, all he has been saying about this, is right. It is how things are.

My music teacher is famous tho. Not very famous. almost everyone knows him. So that's a connection. (?)

yes it is... in its own way. And yes, if you want to have a lasting career in music, connections are quite important.

Look, a connection is somebody who can recommend you and help you.

A famous teacher is 100% a connection, and not "in it's own way." It's a connection, end of story. Stop trying to tell that it's not, since you obviously have no idea why it is "in it's own way."

That's my point.

Maz, i dont really get what you mean. :// maybe im too slow?

"not in it's own way"
"and in it's own way"

i'm CONFUSED.

anndddhh.. i did not say that it is not a connection. (:
i dont think i would want to be a soloist. lol. but if i can i would love to. i've never thought of being one. soloists are just too SOLO.

i think he was talking to me. Anyways, i'm not trying to say that a teacher's not a connection. Fine, i also admit that a teacher is a 100% connection (even if they are not famous).

@ Rin: i'm confused by what you mean your teacher is both famous and not famous.

@ Mazeppa: In my first post that you commented on, i never said a famous teacher is not a connection.

I'll agree with Mazeppa that connections are important, sometimes even the difference between a good job and one that is not as good!

OKAY. GEEZ. IM SO CONFUSED. HE'S FAMOUS. yes. he is. forget abouy the not famous.
sorry.

Famous doesn't really help. I THINK. :/ You can be famous for awhile and you dont. if you're not good. and when you cannot sustain. Why do you even want to be famous? i just want to do well in what i do. ( :

you might not want to be famous. that's your choice. I was saying that having a famous teacher or connection helps.

basically maz is saying. You got sleep your way up and get some fine connections. yeAH baby.

Think of it like getting the "HOOKUP" for a job. ur bro is the manager for burger king, he is a big connection. He hires you. You do good and rise up to mangement level as well, you talk to the regional manager and get the hookup from him. You get transferred to burger king headquarters in burgerville, and now you have it your way.

^ XD

its complicating. but well.. this is life?

and connections again.