http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/01/16/chinese-government-forcing-online-gamers-use-real-names

Ok. After reading that article, it got me thinking if we would all get to see a mass rebellion in China about their gov't oppressing the fuck out of pretty much any right their people have. I mean, webpages that have content going against the gov't are blocked.....what's next for them? Banning any citizen to vacation in the western world so they can't see an uncensored/unsuppressed environment? Whenever I read stuff like this, it makes me wonder how much more their people can take before there is mass chaos and leads to (possibly) overthrowing their gov't.

Sorry if this seems random, but I just felt the need to discuss. :P

Doubt it. Chinese gov'ts are smarter than you think. They may still be very commi, but I highly doubt there'll be a mass rebellion. Think about it this way, the only people who will object are the people who actually play the games, which is mostly consisted of teenagers and young adults. The people who will support the government are their parents. I know enough about Chinese parents complaining about game addictions in China that I know a student rebellion against this won't be very likely.

About your statement of banned web pages, well, every country's got a different set of laws to live by. I'm sure web pages that are banned are probably violating legal terms. No gov't would go around banning random sites with no reasonable explanation.

Banning citizen to vacation in the western world is just about the dead opposite that the Chinese gov't would do. They're so damn capitalistic it's crazy how they're out-economicing the western world.

I also don't think it's likely for Chinese people to over throw their gov't. From what I know the gov't is running the country rather smoothly. Booming economy, even in this Bush-induced-crisis (lol at how much USA owes China). Chinese people's got too much nationalism in them to over throw their gov't. I'd say, they probably got used to it, we westerners think the gov't is doing everything wrong and that the people in China are being oppressed just because they have a different way of governing than we do here.

Last point to note: I'm pro-west.

I'm not talking about the games, but I'm saying that if their gov't keeps oppressing stuff, people are going to say enough is enough and do something about it. The only reason people keep trying to legislate/ban games and internet is because the old generations are afraid that once they die off, their norms and values won't stick with the new generation due to this kind of interactive media.

Oh, and about the bush-induced crisis comment...he may not have been the best president, but it isn't his fault for the economy...after all, it WAS the democrats who de-regulated wall street and caused that whole scam housing loan thing...XD

Exactly what heinous crimes are the Chinese government committing against its people? I don't know a whole lot about China, but from what I understand, things are getting better over there, not worse.

I saw a long documentary on China on the discovery (I think?) channel not too long ago. It actually looked like a pretty nice place to live. The reporter asked citizens what they thought of laws like the one you just mentioned, and they mostly responded with the same answers I would: "It's not really affecting me too much; this is still a nice place to live."

And after reading the article you just posted, I think it's a great law they're passing. Kids need to get-the-fuck outside, hahah. I'm glad they're regulating things like that over there. Maybe if we did things like that in the US, we'd have less worthless people in our society, and the world would stop laughing at us. ;)

Oh, I won't argue with you, I somewhat agree with the law they are passing...people shouldn't be playing games 019873019247209479 hours a day. XD At the same time though, if somebody has done all their work, and is bored enough, they should be allowed to play for a little longer if they want.

Even I have had that once in a blue moon day where I was bored enough to just play games all day. :P Most of the time, I just play for an hour a day, maybe 2 depending on if I finish homework quick enough.

I'm not talking about the games, but I'm saying that if their gov't keeps oppressing stuff, people are going to say enough is enough and do something about it.

Ah. So Very American And Western Form Of Thought. Unicorns Do Indeed Fart Rainbows.

*Your views are so stereotypical American that I assumed you're one. No offense.

Censorship laws exist pretty much everywhere. Stupid USA and its freedom of speech, even Britain doesn't respect it. Remember they're commies, so better duck and cover. Chinese govt can censor whatever it wants.

Social conditioning through education and eastern cultural mind ensures conformity is a safe choice, and law is something to be respected and kept even if it is to a third person's view, unfair. China had empires and kings for thousands of years. They're used to this crap. USA never even had such a concept, hence the alien and strange concept of oppression and lack of legal freedom.

Add to that prosperity (if at a slow pace) and economic growth (let's not worry about cheap ripoff crap for now) and they don't have a reason to revolt.

Oh yay they censored Youtube and google (or something like that). Who cares, China has millions of domestic sites that provide the same service for themselves, while keeping in line with their government censorship laws.

They like what they have, nobody has to be forced into supporting freedom of speech, don't go liberate them please.


As for the article itself, surprised they didn't do it already. It at least guarantees manners and behaviour. Should suppress hacking and related cyber crimes too. No more wankers with mindstate of a 2 year old with ADHD offending everyone.



Maybe if we did things like that in the US, we'd have less worthless people in our society, and the world would stop laughing at us.

The difference between couch potato and streetbum? We'll still laugh at you. :lol2:

Even I have had that once in a blue moon day where I was bored enough to just play games all day. :P Most of the time, I just play for an hour a day, maybe 2 depending on if I finish homework quick enough.

I agree. I think three hours that the Chinese gov't is allowing is more than enough gaming time.

@Kou: Well said. Well said. Plus, it's not like Chinese gov't isn't allowing any freedom of speech at all. People in China are more than happy for what they have, in fact, China is experiencing a growth in immigrant back flow. Meaning, people out-of-China are moving back, in cases.

The difference between couch potato and streetbum? We'll still laugh at you.
That's all well and good; just be sure not to laugh too loud, or we may come and liberate you. Free speech is only allowed if you're American - we invented it, so it's ours to keep. If you want it, you're have to go through the standard procedures, the first of which is liberation, as I've already mentioned! >:3

h, I won't argue with you, I somewhat agree with the law they are passing...people shouldn't be playing games 019873019247209479 hours a day. At the same time though, if somebody has done all their work, and is bored enough, they should be allowed to play for a little longer if they want.

Even I have had that once in a blue moon day where I was bored enough to just play games all day. Most of the time, I just play for an hour a day, maybe 2 depending on if I finish homework quick enough.
This law is only for minors though. They're still allowing adults to play MMOs all day every day, if they're foolish enough to choose to do so. It looks like this law is just to prevent kids from being hooked at an early age. Kind of like the "can't smoke till you're an adult!" law found in many other countries. Except I think WoW is worse for your health than smoking is. XD

And just out of curiosity, where were you born, Kou? I always had you pegged as an American. =P

They like what they have, nobody has to be forced into supporting freedom of speech, don't go liberate them please.
While I'd agree that China doesn't need an intervention from Team America: World Police, it seems to me that your last post was almost labeling free-speech as a bad thing, which I can't really agree with. Freedom of speech is great, as long as a country can handle it! That said, China seems to be doing fine without it, and their censorship laws may have something to do with their current growth, so I wouldn't go around changing things right now even if I could. Still, it'd be nice if the Chinese could add "the freedom to say whatever I want" to their list of reasons why they love their country, even if it is a few years down the line, right?

*Your views are so stereotypical American that I assumed you're one. No offense.
That's silly. If that's the Western/American view, then what's the (I'm guessing opposite) Eastern/Chinese view? "My life is good enough, I guess. Changing things would be too much effort, anyway."?
Out of those two stereotypes, I think I'd rather be assumed to be a Westerner, but the opening of your last post acted like that was a bad thing. = \

Doesnt South Korea require Kssn as well? Except the time limit. Not gonna bother reading the whole article since I usually get frustrated at the insults...

Well, rebellion will not be in the near future. Like Hopeless said, the government and economy is getting more republic/market like everyday.

I lived in China for 8 years. And what I have to say is I felt no suppression what so ever. My dad was one of the leaders during the march of Tian an man. He went to prison and then could not contain his master degree + delayed entry to the Americas( he could have came right after or during his undergraduate years). He hated the government back then, but he likes the way it is now. Yes, it limits the people, but is it for the good intention of its citizens? Law and limitations are set there for order, China just has more limitations than America.
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Another thing, I hate how people think of communism. What is Communism to its base? Its economic system, the everyone share and gets their share. Total government decision on its market system. What is the pure market system? Every corporation are private companies, no government envolvement. The pure communism and pure market does not exist. Even US, the government controls more than 30 percent of the market.

1. How the teacher teaches> Communism only works in theory. Everyone will get lazy and leave the work to others. Some countries of today that are communism are China, North Korea, Cuba, etc.
Student> Hey *myname*, it must be very bad over there?

2. The text book says the exact same thing as ^teacher says( The teacher did not teach the class with the textbook).

3. What another teacher says constantly> Red is for commies. I hate commies. *jokes* around and calls a student a commie. Baseball is for commies, because Cuba is good at baseball.. etc.

4. Watching history channel about Russia. In the end.. Even though Russia has changed its ways. As I walk the highway of Moscow today, I see a camera on the bottom of the bridge above. Has it really developed away from Communism?
- Urm.. America has the same kind of Cameras >.<

Well, Im not for communism, but I do think America needs to ban those groups like Aryan Nation and KKK... China still needs changing ( as it is doing as of now) and America needs to limit people in some areas. I always feel this type of hatred people has for communism. When they think of communism, they think of China. But China is not a complete commie country anymore! Why cant people get over that and stop badmouthing Communism?

I donno.. I really donno.. I feel like a war will occur between America and China in the future. America will probably launch the attack and blame China for its commie government.. Then the Chinese Americans go to jail and the Communism party supporters get executed... You never know.. The view Communism is already bad enough as of today. It just needs a certain tick to make hatred erupt. But the haters will never fully understand the current Communism of today is not as their mind depicts...

Sorry for typing so long ;-;, but my teachers has recently being talking Communism and one of them really hates Communism and the students laugh when he makes commie jokes...And he... hates me I think. I just really wanted to get this out of me.

/ends rant

What can I say? I don't agree on the censorship the Chinese government utilizes, and they do seem to try hard to keep themselves in power (like any dictatorship) but unlike for example Cuba, I have the idea that in China, the people actually get to benefit from one thing or another.

Well, Im not for communism, but I do think America needs to ban those groups like Aryan Nation and KKK... China still needs changing ( as it is doing as of now) and America needs to limit people in some areas.

People shouldn't be limited, because when something goes wrong, (like people playing WoW for 3 days straight and just watching TV all day) it should be their own damn fault, not "Oh, well it's the government's fault for making this law, so I never learned to control myself" or some stupid BS like that. As for the groups, I'll be damned if they aren't banned, because they must have meetings on the moon or something to not have been caught already. O_O

Oh, and here's a funny image I found. (graph jam is by the same people who do lolcats XD) The sad thing is, it's true. I can't tell you how many times I'll hear a 7 year old on halo cursing. Their parents should stop buying them M-rated games instead of ruining it for the rest of us who are actually old enough to play these games. x_x


http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/mature-video-game.gif

People shouldn't be limited, because when something goes wrong, (like people playing WoW for 3 days straight and just watching TV all day) it should be their own damn fault, not "Oh, well it's the government's fault for making this law, so I never learned to control myself" or some stupid BS like that. As for the groups, I'll be damned if they aren't banned, because they must have meetings on the moon or something to not have been caught already. O_O


Sadly, they are still legal.

Skimmed through wikipedia :

The ACLU has provided legal support to various factions of the KKK in defense of their First Amendment rights to hold public rallies, parades, and marches, and their right to field political candidates.

They are allowed to have parades...

And this:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080608134544AATBjHF

Its protected by the first Amendment.

Wikipedia and Yahoo answers do not hold in court, though in this case the information is correct. So long as no harmful actions are preformed (read: nonviolent protest), any and all groups are legal.

People shouldn't be limited, because when something goes wrong, (like people playing WoW for 3 days straight and just watching TV all day) it should be their own damn fault, not "Oh, well it's the government's fault for making this law, so I never learned to control myself" or some stupid BS like that. As for the groups, I'll be damned if they aren't banned, because they must have meetings on the moon or something to not have been caught already. O_O

Yeah, stupid China! Because America definitely doesn't have any laws like that!
It definitely isn't a law here in the US that you have to buckle up when driving a car!
It definitely isn't a law here in the US that you have to be twenty-one to drink!
It definitely isn't a law here in the US that nobody can do heroine!
Oh, wait, lol!

Every country on the planet has laws in place to protect people from themselves. So what if China has a few more than America does?

I donno.. I really donno.. I feel like a war will occur between America and China in the future. America will probably launch the attack and blame China for its commie government.. Then the Chinese Americans go to jail and the Communism party supporters get executed... You never know.. The view Communism is already bad enough as of today. It just needs a certain tick to make hatred erupt. But the haters will never fully understand the current Communism of today is not as their mind depicts...
I think you have the wrong idea about us Americans. Everybody I know here either likes Chinese people, or is neutral towards them. You have to remember that we have a ton of Chinese immigrants, so we really don't hate you guys. The older generations here in America may hate communism, but all of the younger people I know (say, 35 and younger) really don't hold any bad feelings towards China or communism at all.
Also, China and the US are pretty strong trade partners right now. Aren't like 90% of the goods sold in walmart made in China? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere recently. And now we have Obama as president...he doesn't really seem like the war-loving type to me.

Anyway, I don't think the US and China will be fighting with each other any time soon, hahah. =D

Another thing, I hate how people think of communism. What is Communism to its base? Its economic system, the everyone share and gets their share. Total government decision on its market system. What is the pure market system? Every corporation are private companies, no government envolvement. The pure communism and pure market does not exist. Even US, the government controls more than 30 percent of the market.

I can tell you guys a lot about real communism and Marxism. Communism at its basic Marx-introduced terms is good for all but the higher classes, ie: aristocrats and possible super wealthy bourgeoisie, but it's definitely a common gain amongst so-called "proletariat" like you and I. Marx's communism is a system of government where it is no government. No oppressor; everybody rules over everybody. It's a type of society were regular citizens have true democratic says, where everyone is equal.

HOWEVER. Marx's communistic theories are hitherto impossible to achieve. Read: it's too good to be true; an Utopian ideal. Marxism has been modified into several different versions:
Marxist-Leninism: Marxism with a Marxist leader, who acts based on all citizen's voices and leads everyone.
Stalinism: Turned the whole Marxism concept around, instead of getting the orders from the citizen, but forces the leader's order on them.
Maoism: Stalinism + "everyone must be poor". (Where as Stalin was "USSR needs to be richer!")


What China have now, is NOT a typical communist gov't. No matter what kind of communism it is, the one basic theory it is formed upon is the minimal amount of individual capitalistic activities. At the moment, China is just about 100% pro-capitalism.

As for freedom of speech and stuff, well, just a general statement to USA, it is definitely your freedom to fly through your windshield at 100km per hour; I have nothing against it.

People in China are not oppressed as some people think they are. From what I know now, Chinese people are more than happy of their conditions.

I don't doubt that there's a huge difference in the ways of government between the east and west, and with the rise of power in the east, the world will soon experience of unbalance of power, and just for a thought, a possible factor contributing to WWIII.

And now we have Obama as president...

Anyway, I don't think the US and China will be fighting with each other any time soon, hahah. =D

America made a mistake IMO...he wants to shut down Guantanamo Bay and have the terrorist's trials in USA! What kind of bullshit is that? :bleh: After killing thousands in 9/11, they get to come back into our country? <_<

ANYWAY. Of course we will never be at war with China....then we would all be in trouble, seeing as 99.99999999999% of things are made in china. (even food, which is unacceptable after hearing all those milk factories having to close due to melamine contamination)

Erm, most people in Guantanamo haven't been found guilty for terrorism, they've just been accused by a bunch of überly-paranoid Americans? Americans are just really paranoid anyway, if you see at how they treat foreigners. Fingerprints, background checks etc, it's retarded how paranoid they are, really. And they have to be, because they piss off the world (and still don't understand why nobody likes them).

And about a war on China, it'll never happen. There's not enough to gain from a war against China.

Oh, so I guess the 2 guys that admitted to planning 9/11 that are currently being held at gitmo are just falsely accused by us paranoid Americans? (not to mention whatever evidence the military officials also have of their guilt...) And what if they were let out thanks to Obama? Yeah, all the protesters will bitch that it's unethical to keep them there, but who cares? These 2 people killed thousands on 9/11, and should not have the chance to do it again. I think they lost their chance at an ethical punishment when they killed all those innocent people in just one day.

I said most people, not all people. And besides, in America, it's not that hard to get a confession when the FBI and/or CIA are involved. They could torture me into confessing that I'm Osama Bin Laden. And with Bush, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened here too. Bush's government has already proved itself to be unreliable with evidence, just look at Iraq's "WMD" that turned out not to be WMD's after all, even though the Bush government made them look like they had them in sattellite pictures. Now that Bush is gone, these people are finally going to get a fair trial so that the real truth can be revealed, instead of Bush's truth.

The world needs a leader, just like any society needs one. That country is inevitably going to be seen as the bad guy, but I'd rather have USA than China to play that role. What is more frightening though, for me as person with western ideals, is that China is rapidly becoming that leader. They are literally buying their way into controlling the US economy (by purchasing their companies) and just this week they surpassed Germany economically, and can now place themselves as the third largest economy in the world. They have the largest military army in the world, as well.

The US will never wage war on China simply because they can't afford it, and would be unable to overthrow it. It's a great country in so many ways, but I hope that USA and Obama will prevail and once again show the world that they are the leaders of it. I bet a billion Chinese guys would beg to differ, but I wouldn't want communist China to spread their ideals and force them upon the world (Like the US did with democracy among other things since their rise as a world power. Their doing so was a good thing, I think).

Oh, and how much money does the US owe China by now?

Something around the tune of 6 Trillion Dollars.

China's already becoming a lot less communist.

Video games in general are not smiled upon in East Asia. Most Asian kids I know including my self have parents who are quite strict in have leisure time. I don't see how this is an issue.

The world needs a leader, just like any society needs one. That country is inevitably going to be seen as the bad guy, but I'd rather have USA than China to play that role.


why not let australia lead the world? We're pretty laid back guys :lol:

^ XD

Then again, people like Hitler tried to take over the world, and we all know how that turned out. Probably better not to have one leader for the world. :P

why not let australia lead the world? We're pretty laid back guys :lol:

Because then every year we'd have to fear for our government being burnt in forest fires? First sort out your local problems, then think about ruling the world :P

Besides, who'd want people talking like Steve Irwin to rule the world? XD

Crikey! The anarchists are attacking the capital building! Let me wrestle the little buggas. That will really piss them off. Look at the teeth on this little bugga! :lol:

Because then every year we'd have to fear for our government being burnt in forest fires? First sort out your local problems, then think about ruling the world

Besides, who'd want people talking like Steve Irwin to rule the world?
Plus, Australia always gets their games last. And they're always on the top of the "censoring the fuck out of/banning our videogames" list, along with Germany and Japan.

Screw that. I don't want game-nazis running the planet! D:

Plus, Australia always gets their games last. And they're always on the top of the "censoring the fuck out of/banning our videogames" list, along with Germany and Japan.

Screw that. I don't want game-nazis running the planet! D:

Apparently, the bunch of people rating our movies and games for classification are a bunch of mothers >.>..... *sighhhh* To think Resident Evil 5 was about to be banned.

Then import your games. :P It may be a fuck load more expensive, but at least you can have a region free console, as well as BS free games. XD

Apparently, the bunch of people rating our movies and games for classification are a bunch of mothers >.>..... *sighhhh* To think Resident Evil 5 was about to be banned.
That's horrible. XD
Over here in America, we get the media making up retarded stories about videogames/being bitches in general, but every attempt to actually censor or ban games via the courts gets shut down, thank God. And RE5 is going to be awesome! =D

See, the reason why games get crusaded on here in America is because parents think that M rated GTA 4 is appropriate to buy for their 4 year old. I would see this in game stores, and it would drive me insane! Mothers would buy their underage kids M games, without even checking the ESRB label.

It's not video games that needs to be banned here, it's fucking retarded parents that are too lazy to take a couple of minutes out of their day to research a game's content before buying it for their kid. XD So, I will post this image again just for the hell of it: (and because it's true!)

http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/mature-video-game.gif

dam i shouldnt have mentioned australia everyones ripping on it!

wait a sec.. burnt down by forest fires? thats just dumb. oh and we dont all talk like steve irwin, in fact no one i know does.

unfortunately that stuff about games is true, the people in the uhhh "group that decides the games that are appropriate" for australia are all old and lame. none of them are gamers who know whats going on. i dont know it sucks but we are kind of working on it :P

but game-nazi's? uh huh.................................

anyone else wanna defend australia? im not the best candidate :heh:

This topic is going off-topic a lot now. Back to the topic of a possible revolution in china now.

Negative! Mate!

Think of it like this Americans. We were colonised by the same people as you. We're just much more relaxed, not willing to start wars on false intelligence and start the worst recession in a decade.

Gotta <3 teasing Bush. Even when he's gone it's still easy.

Why does everyone blame bush for the economy? It was the fucking democrats who de-regulated wall street, not bush...

Seriously people, if you want to discuss Bush, create a Bush thread. Now, on-topic, or you'll get more than just a lousy one-point warning.

I think the thread starter might have missed the other dozens of articles which covered how online mmo addiction in China was becoming a serious problem, how the government has been experimenting with various solutions to the problem (including electric therapy), and how they finally managed to find the best possible solution - account tie-in to real-life identities, thus allowing them monitor and curb excessive gaming. If I recall, a 3-hour figure was being thrown around. Now, whether that is enough time for a WoW raid is another matter. Also, the benefits of this measure to Western companies is something that should also be mentioned: gold-farming was becoming a serious problem for Blizzard.

How the hell did this turn out into a potential rebellion thread? Just stop for a second and repeat after me: "China's citizens will soon rebel because government is limiting their mmo time."

Hope you're laughing.


I mean, webpages that have content going against the gov't are blocked.....what's next for them? Banning any citizen to vacation in the western world so they can't see an uncensored/unsuppressed environment?

Yeah... try visiting an * site - pretty sure it'll either be locked or monitored 24/7. Cuba says hi. Wow, America is more censored than China. How's that for a revelation?

Lol, I was just using the mmo thing as an example of how their gov't controls everything. When I mentioned a rebellion, I meant from the overall effect of having their lives controlled, not just having mmo time reduced...XD

I don't think people will rebel just if things are censored and they don't have as much voting freedom. Normal people barely risk their lives unless you are talking about them having no house or food, or being killed for no reason. I don't see why China citizens would want to rebel. I mean if it is just for some stupid rules on gaming. Not everyone is that shallow, fortunately.

I don't think people will rebel just if things are censored and they don't have as much voting freedom. Normal people barely risk their lives unless you are talking about them having no house or food, or being killed for no reason. I don't see why China citizens would want to rebel. I mean if it is just for some stupid rules on gaming. Not everyone is that shallow, fortunately.

I think it would be silly if anyone rebelled because of the gaming law, but why is that law there anyway? It's not the gov't responsibility to make sure people don't play games all day. :\ People need to learn self control, not rely on their gov't to do it for them.