*waits for Eva fanboys to post*

Don't you even dare call me an Eva fanboy. I don't even like the series anymore, okay?

Originally posted by Angelic@Sep 24 2004, 09:24 PM
Don't you even dare call me an Eva fanboy. I don't even like the series anymore, okay?
you stopped liking eva?

wow. okay. So your not an eva fanboy anymore... :o

I don't have any Eva DVD's or merchandaise or whatever, so I never was a fanboy.

Originally posted by Angelic@Sep 24 2004, 09:24 PM
Don't you even dare call me an Eva fanboy. I don't even like the series anymore, okay?
well, you DID have a website on it :lol:

Originally posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark@Sep 25 2004, 03:56 PM
well, you DID have a website on it :lol:
That site was just an excuse to have the forums that came with it, lol

Originally posted by Nightmare@Sep 25 2004, 09:10 PM
Yeah, sure, we believe you ;)

Now and Then, Here and There made me think a LOT, and Trust and Betrayal has also done the same for me. I guess Fushigi Yugi as well.
You don't have to believe me >.> but it's the truth. Feh

Only messing with ya, Angelic :D Btw, why'd you stop liking NGE anyways?

mostly because a large part of the fans annoy me, like OMG EVA'S SO GREAT I HAVE 321423545124351 DVD BOXES OF IT ASUKA IS COOL REI IS SEXY OMG.

that kind of fans =_=

Originally posted by Angelic@Sep 25 2004, 11:30 PM
mostly because a large part of the fans annoy me, like OMG EVA'S SO GREAT I HAVE 321423545124351 DVD BOXES OF IT ASUKA IS COOL REI IS SEXY OMG.

that kind of fans =_=
The NGE fans are scary. Most fans are.

Originally posted by Angelic@Sep 25 2004, 09:30 PM
mostly because a large part of the fans annoy me, like OMG EVA'S SO GREAT I HAVE 321423545124351 DVD BOXES OF IT ASUKA IS COOL REI IS SEXY OMG.

that kind of fans =_=
despite having moved on from eva, i do still dwell on asuka though ;)

and yeah, now and then, here and there is definitely one that brings out a lot of issues.

fine i admit im and NGE fanboy *hides mini Rei model* :whistle:
It definatly made me think the most out of the anime ive seen thats why i started to watch it.

other than that nothing has made me think, except for a few moment in Gundam wing, Noir and Gunbuster

The NGE fans are scary. Most fans are.

Boo! one NGE fan right here (though i have no models,posters,etc. -just a used dvd set)

I dont know why youre all against eva... this 3was something that really made me think (thats it i havent seen alot of animes)

*sigh* eva fans are dying out in this place... im one of the last... *sigh*

Hmmm, one shouldn't dislike a series because of the fans, but because he/she does not like it himself/herself. I thought NGE was okay, but the last 2 episodes are what really made me hate it. And I felt it could use a LOT more action.

Then it got more action but the outcome changed, differant meds maybe at the time

Originally posted by Nightmare@Sep 28 2004, 07:54 PM
Hmmm, one shouldn't dislike a series because of the fans, but because he/she does not like it himself/herself. I thought NGE was okay, but the last 2 episodes are what really made me hate it. And I felt it could use a LOT more action.
I don't like the series much either anymore, I don't know what got me all hyped up about it but it's actually kind of bad, there are a lot of plotholes, in some episodes the animation is just horrible (ep 10 X_X ) and the music isn't that great either.

Anyway, back on topic:

Stellvia of the Universe kind of made me think about the secrets there are still left to discover in the universe ^_^

Isn't the NGE music classical pieces? Like, Canon and stuff?

Originally posted by Noir7@Sep 28 2004, 11:23 PM
Isn't the NGE music classical pieces? Like, Canon and stuff?
No, they only use some pieces in the films and some eps. Most of it is very corny stuff.

Originally posted by Angelic@Sep 28 2004, 08:45 PM
I don't like the series much either anymore, I don't know what got me all hyped up about it but it's actually kind of bad, there are a lot of plotholes, in some episodes the animation is just horrible (ep 10 X_X ) and the music isn't that great either.

i think people just look too deep into it. i mean, i've seen people who write articles on what brand of beer misato drinks. yeesh.

That's pretty lame Oo; if you look at it that way even DBZ and Naruto could be deep anime

wait...i have a question... you all did see D&R and EoE right? and you still dont like it? cause if you didnt see the alternate endings that i can understand your dislike: EoE and D&R is what makes the series so good...

sorry for the offtopic

EoE was okay, D&R was just a recap. I just don't like the series, it's overhyped, there are a lot of flaws in it. It's not the worst, but unlike what many people say, it's defenitely not the best series around.

Originally posted by alone@Sep 29 2004, 09:17 AM
wait...i have a question... you all did see D&R and EoE right? and you still dont like it? cause if you didnt see the alternate endings that i can understand your dislike: EoE and D&R is what makes the series so good...

sorry for the offtopic
we used to like it, but then we moved on to bigger and better things. and now we get annoyed by people who hype it up and think it's the greatest thing ever and that it's secretly communicating to us the truth behind life, the universe, and Everything.

i do still love that one battle scene with asuka in EoE though :>

ummm.....

i think eva is definately one of the top anime around......

i think anime is just overly hyped in general......

Only anime I've ever really watched. I think its really good, lots of philosophical value and a lesson to be learned in every episode.

It's the only series I've watched in full (because I got them freeee, haha :D) and the first anime series I watched. While the music isn't in the class of Yuki Kajiura, I still think it's very well composed - some of my faves are Thanatos (not the vocal version), The Heady Feeling of Freedom ('cause I'm a violin nut) and Komm, Susser Todd for the sheer complicatedness of the composition. As for the anime itself, there were quite a few bits that I never really understood, and there was the occasional episode where it seemed that the humour was misplaced and clashed with the atmosphere (loved Asuka's first episode and the synchronised attack episode, though), but I thought it was okay - not as thought-provoking as Gantz, .hack or Lain IMO, but it was much less convoluted and so it was slightly easier to understand. The use of symbolism is plain enough and even a totally unobservant ninny like moi can grasp the majority of the plot. I think it's a good first anime series to start off with before discovering some of the more involved series.

Though I have to admit, once I saw Nadia of the Mysterious Seas I did like that better than NGE ;)

we used to like it, but then we moved on to bigger and better things

example...

Ghost in the Shell. Full Metal Panic. FMA. Champloo. good shows come out every season, and it's been ten years.

i never really was into this whole "big-robots-fight-other-big-robots" crap, but yea there are a whole lot of really scary NGE fans who are obsessed with (at least) one character from NGE

i agree with angelic. . .

it's become overrated. . . and ppl usually don't understand the story behind it in the first place...just cuz of the mecha that ppl adore evangelion. . .

Different people rate differently, I guess.

For me, it was good, and still is, to a certain extent. I guess you can only go so far with fanfiction.

Originally posted by souma_hatsuharu@Oct 6 2004, 05:45 PM
i agree with angelic. . .

it's become overrated. . . and ppl usually don't understand the story behind it in the first place...just cuz of the mecha that ppl adore evangelion. . .
i understood the story and thats why im an eva fan... >< not cause there are mechas there

Originally posted by wintermoon@Oct 5 2004, 10:46 PM
i never really was into this whole "big-robots-fight-other-big-robots" crap...
The majority of the series is like that; but to me the series doesnt&#39; really start until three or four episodes until the end. That&#39;s when it stops being about giant robots. From then on out, it&#39;s brilliant. It is one of the only non-Miasaki animes I find worthy. I think lots of people don&#39;t like the the end of the series because it&#39;s hard to digest. I recomend reading the allegory of the cave and bucking up.

I didn&#39;t care for eva that much. Some people say like "omg its the best anime ever&#33;&#33;&#33;11&#33;&#33;", but personally I didn&#39;t like it that much. I think that Anime&#39;s like Haibane Renmei and Grave of the Fireflies are the ones that stay in my memory. Ones that make you think about how you live your life and what your priorities are.

Which neither of those pieces do (GOTF isn&#39;t a personal drama, since I don&#39;t think you&#39;re living in a warzone), and which Evangelion does (since you are all still growing up).

Evangelion is the best animated series ever.

I like NGE and I&#39;m not like that...It&#39;s a good series. THe girls are an addition but I like the Evas the most.

Sorry I couldn’t post sooner but it was the weekend so I had no access to the internet…

This debate has been going on for a long time, too long. I’ll state my position and my views and I hope that people will stop posting very hurtful things like ‘eva sucks’ and the likes…

My view is that evangelion(by evangelion I mean ep.26+EoE+D&R) is ONE of the best anime, not THE Best mind you…

I might as well tell why I think so, and that reason lies with the way I first saw evangelion…

… … at some I started searching for anime cause I never heard about it etc. and this guy recommended evangelion. As I realized later he didn’t understand the story, he just liked the bits of fan-service available there.He told me 2 things 1)its is very real life (as an example he used the fact that it shows people going to the bathroom) and 2)Rei is an angel. So I started with a fake copy of the first 14 episodes, fake EoE and D&R, one clue and that’s it (btw the quality was terrible, sound in Russian so complete shit).(After the first episode I still didn’t realize that he meant Angel as in Angel, I still thought Rei was the wings and harp angel.) So… imagine this; I switch from episode 14 right on to EoE&#33;it was so traumatic for me… I saw all the characters alive laughing, shinji improving, asuka being a total bitch and funny as hell, Misato… you get the idea and then… Misato dead, everyone dead. NERV destroyed. Personnel killed. Shinji crying. Asuka, wakes up from a coma, becomes a good character, her faults disappear, she becomes much stronger mentally and she is the only one who can save NERV…and she loses&#33;&#33;&#33; I didn’t see her lose in the first 14 episodes so it was so sad… like watching an eternal pillar collapse… For 3 days after that I walked like a zombie thru my house, never smiling, realizing how sad life could be and the thought how sad running thru my head…

there is a theory that those who skipped the 25+26 episode and moved on to EoE would love this anime, while those who would watch all 26 and then EoE would not… maybe that’s what happened…maybe… but more likely people didn’t understand it

At various points on the forum I run into things like ‘eva music is not THAT good’ (I agree excluding Kanon) and ‘episode 10 is drawn badly’ (not sure) plus stuff like ‘we moved on etc.’
But Wait…&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Since when was anime about pretty computer animations having good music? My parents think that&#33; A kid who only heard of hentai thinks that&#33; But when experienced anime fans start thinking that something wrong… Anime was always about directors referring to themes that no normal person would even think of putting on the screen for fear of critics (eg. Not many people would dare to Shoot something like GunslingerGirl in rl) Anime was always about drawn characters experiencing real human emotions, living thru situations that change them. Evangelion is about a boy who starts as being a fucked up 14 year old egoist, improving himself over the series by interactions with others. That’s the formal definintion. Shit like ‘Battle Robots’ is just an accessory, in fact, only the about 25% of the movie is combat/action and even that’s not the reason people like eva… It took me 6times to watch thru the all episodes to notice all the little details that were meant to be noticed, to memorize some monologues that I liked and to understand the story completely. People who did not understand the story (because 1)they didn’t want to watch shit about an emotionally fucked up kid 2)its too deep for them 3)they marked it shit as soon as the saw eva-01) start saying that its overrated, and its not that good, and that all the deep stuff was just put in there cause Hideaki Anno was high and depressed at the moment really piss me off… in my opinion everything (as in all good movies and books) was put there for a reason, because the author/director had something to say. When I started the ‘how disgusting…’ topic immediately someone said that it was just put in there instead of doing the obvious thing: watching the jap. Version and explaining what the jap. Last line means in the original…

Im not going anymore about eva&#33; Too much space and time is devoted to a single anime in a music forum… I just hope that people will stop arguing about ‘eva overrated’ topic

oh, but good music is an essential component of any good show/movie.

*shut up alone, shut up*

...silence...

It has shiny music.

*Disagrees* Actually, in my opinion NGE has the weakest music in most anime I&#39;ve seen.

Originally posted by Noir7@Oct 12 2004, 10:30 PM
*Disagrees* Actually, in my opinion NGE has the weakest music in most anime I&#39;ve seen.
Well, the classical pieces were nice (but not really NGE) and Komm Süsser Todd was good IMO, but that would be about it, lol.

the classical stuff just didn&#39;t really fit the theme really well.

Originally posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark@Oct 13 2004, 03:49 AM
the classical stuff just didn&#39;t really fit the theme really well.
Not at all actually, it&#39;s just another attempt of making the whole thing seem deep and intelligent.

you all completely missed my point >_<

Originally posted by Noir7@Oct 12 2004, 08:30 PM
*Disagrees* Actually, in my opinion NGE has the weakest music in most anime I&#39;ve seen.
Oh yes, I&#39;d take trashy J-pop over classical pieces any day.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by David Hayter@Oct 13 2004, 11:53 AM
Oh yes, I&#39;d take trashy J-pop over classical pieces any day.

:rolleyes:
We&#39;re talking about the Evangelion music, not the classical pieces they abused for the series and films in order to make it look intelligent.

Originally posted by David Hayter@Oct 13 2004, 09:53 AM
Oh yes, I&#39;d take trashy J-pop over classical pieces any day.

:rolleyes:
that all depends on the theme of the show. when you have noir in an corsican/french setting, or GSG in an italian setting, classical&#39;s fine. when you have a mecha story set in the future, classical worketh not. look at gits, that&#39;s the music that would suit the setting.

Originally posted by Angelic@Oct 13 2004, 11:15 AM
We&#39;re talking about the Evangelion music, not the classical pieces they abused for the series and films in order to make it look intelligent.
Interesting point there. Care to elaborate to the musically ignorant/uninitiated?

Originally posted by Angelic@Oct 13 2004, 11:15 AM
We&#39;re talking about the Evangelion music, not the classical pieces they abused for the series and films in order to make it look intelligent.
Oh, so that just doesn&#39;t count? Most of the trash they shovel into anime openings isn&#39;t composed specifically for that anime either. Hell, people hype FLCL&#39;s music and not a BIT of it was done for that anime - &#39;twas all "abused", as you put it.

Shiroh Sagisu is excellent, and if you want a good sampling of the stuff he did for EVA, download the S2 Works. Recommended tracks:

Separation Anxiety (if you&#39;re into rhythm)
Advancement Of The Human Instrumentality Project
Sorrow Of Losing The Object Of One&#39;s Dependence (which is one of the most excellently placed pieces ever)
Infantile/Adult Dependence
When I Find Peace Of Mind
Both Of You, Dance Like You Want To Win&#33;

I could literally go on forever. He rocks.

Also, in regards to the relative appropriateness of the setting, I&#39;d say the creator of said setting sure knows more than you do about what fits it, eh? The classical pieces when the focus is supposed to be personal, and in general "combat" scenes, Sagisu gets big-band and brassy, with a military flair, which I love.

:jerry:

Go&#33;&#33;&#33; David ^_^

Hell, people hype FLCL&#39;s music and not a BIT of it was done for that anime - &#39;twas all "abused", as you put it.

No, it wasn&#39;t, since that music perfectly fits the series and it&#39;s not an attempt to make the series look very intelligent.


Shiroh Sagisu is excellent, and if you want a good sampling of the stuff he did for EVA, download the S2 Works.

I know the dance like you want to win one, it&#39;s okay. I&#39;ve heard much better though. Funny that you mention that song by the way, that scene is so stupid, how can you synchronise an attack by using music? I mean, you can only do that if you know exactly how both pilots would react to the angel&#39;s actions, and you would also know exactly what the angel would do at what time. Lousy scene, but that on a side note.

Originally posted by Angelic@Oct 14 2004, 08:17 AM

No, it wasn&#39;t, since that music perfectly fits the series and it&#39;s not an attempt to make the series look very intelligent.
EVA&#39;s use of classical pieces doesn&#39;t "fit the series"? I&#39;ve got a little game for you. Get a translation of "Ode To Joy" and notes on the symbols in the lyrics.

Now watch episode 24.

Freaky, eh?

I don&#39;t need a translation for I can read most of the German lyrics, lol.

Music isn&#39;t just lyrics though.

Originally posted by Angelic@Oct 14 2004, 04:38 PM
I don&#39;t need a translation for I can read most of the German lyrics, lol.

Music isn&#39;t just lyrics though.
Both of those points are irrelevant.

Originally posted by Alfonso de Sabio@Oct 15 2004, 09:21 PM
Both of those points are irrelevant.
The first one isn&#39;t, the second one is. Music is more than just the lyrics, and even though the lyrics might fit eva, the classical music just doesn&#39;t.

I would say that different people think differently.

But I used to think that the music fits NGE better than the lyrics . . . ?

Originally posted by Angelic@Oct 13 2004, 11:15 AM
We&#39;re talking about the Evangelion music, not the classical pieces they abused for the series and films in order to make it look intelligent.
I&#39;m not sure I agree with that. I quite liked the music, I thought it suited the series very well. It added heaps to the atmosphere and the "Brassy flair" pointed out by David in the battle scenes really added a rush in my opinion.

With all due respect Angelic, sounds to me like you just have one big fat hairy grudge against the Eva series in total.

I just think it&#39;s a bad series, can you imagine that I once made a site about it? :lol:

Originally posted by Angelic@Oct 23 2004, 07:40 AM
I just think it&#39;s a bad series, can you imagine that I once made a site about it? :lol:
it&#39;s still there, in fact.

Originally posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark@Oct 23 2004, 06:59 PM
it&#39;s still there, in fact.
Yeah, I know, for some reason people liked it :whistle:

Eva wouldn&#39;t be a bad series but a few things ruin it for me.

- Attempt to use religious stuff to make it look deep - there are just too many religious things, overkill.
- perverted stuff, especially naked Reis and Asukas
- So-so soundtrack with pointless use of classical pieces that didn&#39;t fit in IMO
- milk-the-cow syndrome - can&#39;t stand it how much Gainax is still trying to make money for something they created almost 10 years ago
- flaws in the storyline, some small, some big
- the angels all look.. kind of stupid
- Shinji&#39;s a wimp
- Asuka&#39;s a bitch
- Rei lacks a personality
- Misato is mostly there for fanservice
- Asuka and Rei too
- Ritsuko&#39;s a bitch
- Ritsuko&#39;s annoying
- Gendo is an asshole
- The Eva&#39;s look like toys with their happy colours

etc, etc.

Fair enough that you didn&#39;t like the music, the looks of the angels and the eva&#39;s etc. but I don&#39;t think its fair to judge an anime by the personalities in it. After all, I thought the anime was great because of these things. What would Eva be like if everyone got along with each other? Theres bound to be a bitch or two in every anime.

The characters in Eva weren&#39;t balanced out though, they were just plain annoying and they were too strong in their particular role. Asuka was too bitchy, Rei too dull, Shinji too wimpy etc.

Perhaps the amount of differing personalities is what gave rise to the thoery its all in his head, thatd mean he&#39;d gone a bit schizo but hey his brain goes snap in the end anyway. The flaws may have been intentional, some anyway, to encourage people to have their own views, or the creator was really messed up after goin off his meds, both have high probabilities. Unit 1 I&#39;ve never seen described before as a happily coloured toy, hey I&#39;ve come away from this hearing somethin new thats a result its normally the same things over & over, wish I had a toy that was as big & mentally destructive. Gendo is in no way shape or form an asshole though

Originally posted by Hawq@Oct 25 2004, 06:32 PM
Gendo is in no way shape or form an asshole though
You wouldn&#39;t mind him picking you up from school everyday?

Wouldnt have to deal with it (assuming I was still young obviously), he&#39;d probably send someone to do it while he&#39;s busy scheming but a lifts a lift

hum... I think I&#39;m coming in in the middle of a conversation, but I&#39;ve gotta say that I *really* think Evangelion is overrated.... It seems to be the anime that most people see or hear of first, and if someone posts a list of "classic" anime it&#39;s generally somewhere near the top...

But I just can&#39;t understand that. To me, the storyline hinted at being soooo much more than it was. I thought the whole concept was quite interesting, it&#39;s just that after they repeated pretty much the same thing for three episodes in a row, I got a bit sick of it.. =_=;; Then you can consider the somewhat average battlescenes, the generally poor animation (not too surprising, though - the thing _is_ pretty ancient) and the very average character design...

And what do you get? Something that really doesn&#39;t deserve all the fuss. I have to be honest and say I haven&#39;t seen it to the end, but from what I&#39;ve heard from friends and the like, the ending is a rushed affair that doesn&#39;t do those original concepts any justice what so ever. And, honestly, don&#39;t get grumpy at me because I haven&#39;t seen the whole series as, when you&#39;re bored near to tears, can you really blame me for not being able to get through it all?

As for all the really pervy stuff... I managed to miss out on that, thank god. Hearing about how the main character masturbates over one of his friends while she&#39;s unconscious was bad enough. Not the sort of fare I&#39;d like to watch; or encourage others to watch as a "classic example of anime" in fact.

Evangelion really _is_ overrated. Next time you suggest an anime for someone to watch, try to think of something that _isn&#39;t_ going to put them off anime for the rest of their life.... There really are quite a few good ones out there&#33;

Taaa&#33; LINA&#33; _@/&#39;`

Originally posted by Hawq@Oct 25 2004, 07:32 PM
Unit 1 I&#39;ve never seen described before as a happily coloured toy
Hey, the thing is purple with some green, orange and blue accents =_=

if you havent seen the whole thing, why are you posting? thats just like reading a book only to the middle and then discussing it =_=

the thing is that the end is what eva so good IMO so if you havent seen it...

Angelic, I can&#39;t help but notice that many of the things that you seem to find wrong with Eva are completely subjective. I however do agree on some of the things such as milking the cow and story line flaws.

I think the main reason that people like Eva is because the story - while full of strange and unimaginable concepts - is so relatable and so true to life. The characters in Eva, like in some shakesperean plays are the extreme version of what they would be in reality. ( For ex: Characters who are evil are extremely evil, characters who are cowards are very cowardly). Taking that into consideration, I believe that you have made a pretty harsh assesment of the characters. I think that by making the characters this way, the point and general themes of the story are emphasized while at the same time are still relatable to real life. As for the perverted stuff, I also agree can be left out to some degree, but not completely because it is a part of life, and adds to the reality of the story. But again, they do take it to the extreme sometimes.

I think it is somewhat true that often people just follow the Eva crowd without even considering show in its entirety. But that still doesn&#39;t change the fact that Eva is one of the best series out there, and the way fanboys act towards the series should not discourage anyone from at least taking a look at the series.

eva is definitely overrated

meh i couldn&#39;t be bothered even watching the whole series

watch out darkiris - they don&#39;t like it when people say they didn&#39;t watch the whole series..

=_=

Nah, I still think it&#39;s overrated. Maybe it&#39;s because anime is still quite new to Australia, and I find it frustrating that as soon as you find another so called anime-fan it turns out that the only anime they&#39;ve seen is a few episodes of Evangelion... I just can&#39;t understand what it is that makes Evangelion such a well known, popular anime. To me, it simply must be that someone watches it and says "This is anime. I&#39;ll show it to my friends" and that&#39;s how it gets around. I just can&#39;t see the mass appeal...

eh, I always seem to be whingeing about evangelion. Probably because it _is_ popular and I can often be rather anti-popular =_= .. But I make it my job to expose to all those first-time-anime evangelion fans a MUCH broader range of anime.. as we all should if we really want the industry to flourish and grow around the world :)

And please don&#39;t complain about me making a statement when I haven&#39;t seen the whole series as I don&#39;t need to have seen the whole thing to know that it is really only showing one style of anime, simply because I don&#39;t think any anime out there could possibly provide a full example of all the differing varieties and styles that are available.

tata&#33;

People always say on how "religion was put in just to make it cool" and thats why they hate eva

but for example, in FMA they use chemistry to make it cool... but no one&#39;s flaming them&#33;&#33;&#33;

Neon Genesis is my 2nd favorite anime. I don&#39;t know why, but when I saw Eva it was like I was Shinji: I could relate to him so well.

Ep&#39;s 25 and 26 of the series.. nobody likes them, but I do. They&#39;re the best episopes of the show. Shinji&#39;s final moments at the end meant so much to me (i don&#39;t know why&#33;). "Congratulations&#33;"

Since I&#39;m currently watching this anime again, I DID notice the Evas colours
were kind of too bright and cheerful. As for the music, I love most of it, I listen
to Komm Susser Todd these days much too much. I showed my best friend some
of Eva, and she was all: "I don&#39;t get it, it&#39;s too complex" and totally ignored it, then
started making fun of it, doing character tests and saying "OMG I&#39;m like Asuka that&#39;s so good" although I personally dislike Asuka, she&#39;s too head-strong and arrogant. Shinji is OK, even if he IS a bit wimpy sometimes, and I found I identified
mostly with Rei, which my friend thought was very weird.
Her opinion of Eva is: "for geeks and pathetic" and she happily took the piss
out of it, but only because her boyfriend arrived and hated it. A little off-topic, but
yeah, she&#39;s totally two-faced.

Originally posted by Alone@May 11 2005, 10:29 AM
People always say on how "religion was put in just to make it cool" and thats why they hate eva

but for example, in FMA they use chemistry to make it cool... but no one&#39;s flaming them&#33;&#33;&#33;
Full Metal Alchemist is all about alchemy, it&#39;s at the base of the whole thing. With Eva, they added the religious stuff just to make it cool. That&#39;s quite a difference IMO.

And I also think FMA was a better series with a better story and more balanced (and especially more interesting) characters.

Also, I don&#39;t hate Eva because of the religious stuff, it&#39;s just one of the many reasons why I don&#39;t like Eva.

wha? but... isnt it the main reason? anyway, just because Gainax is milking it doesnt make it a bad anime. Hell, if the meseum charged people for seeing the Mona Lisa, and made T-shirts with her picture, it would make it any less a masterpiece; it would just show that the board of directors are assholes (just an example)

Alright, the trump card: Gainax is milking eva because it can be milked, and no bad anime can be milked: why do so many people like/liked eva? Eva is possible the most known anime, its has/had too many fans, etc. etc. (btw thats why its being continuously milked) Why was it so successful at first? (later on some wise guy said that its stupid and a lot of people suddenly turned anti-eva - can it be thats its was to be different, get attention...)

Eva&#39;s not succesful because it&#39;s good, it became succesful because it&#39;s something that at the time was unseen before (the whole religion aspect) and people think that watching it actually makes them seem intelligent (OMG I watched Eva twice and I still don&#39;t get it, it must be sooo complicated&#33;~&#33;&#33;).

Pokemon&#39;s not a very good anime because of its story, or its characters, music or animation or whatever. There&#39;s just very good marketing behind it. Same for Eva, in the beginning some people liked it, this was picked up by big masses and it became a chain reaction. Bad anime can be popular. In fact, most popular anime are usually not very good ones at all, they are just overhyped and well marketed.

Doesn&#39;t it deserve credit for being original? and don&#39;t forget, this was the first &#39;mecha&#39; anime where most of the attention was given to the characters and not the battles. In fact, the battles are just an extra, something to capture the audience at first...

I dont agree that most popular anime are usually not very good, nor that Eva was well marketed. It was original, and for that alone it deserves credit, not to mention good animation and quality (at that time it was awesome if i may remind you) and music (imo) and detailed personlities and interactions.

Whoever says that the intereactions are stupid or that the personalities are dumb etc. just didn&#39;t understand eva and is... well, dumb&#33;

The animation of Eva was not that great, episode 10 was just plain ugly (and in a different style too, wtf? Oo ). You say the mech battles were extra, but that&#39;s about the only thing that makes the series a bit interesting (the battles were about the only thing I do like) and actually I&#39;m pretty sure a lot of people who like eva just like the battles and not the dull psychology stuff.

You call the character personalities detailled, I think they are pretty shallow. Asuka&#39;s a bitch to hide her insecure self, Rei&#39;s acting like a puppet and in the last ep claims not to be a puppet, Shinji&#39;s a wuss, Misato drinks away her trouble, Kaji&#39;s a womanizer who also does something right in the end, Gendo&#39;s always being nasty but still all fans say he&#39;s a good guy etc etc etc.


Whoever says that the intereactions are stupid or that the personalities are dumb etc. just didn&#39;t understand eva and is... well, dumb&#33;

And when I don&#39;t see the depth of their characters fans always say that I don&#39;t understand them ~ I understand them perfectly well, I used to like the series but after watching it three times or so I found out the characters are boring as hell and they hardly show any real development.

I think that people who think Eva is deep and smart and such are the dumb ones. Anyone with some functioning brains looks right through all the religious crap and what remains after that is an anime that&#39;s about as shallow as Gundam Wing, but then with stupid looking mechs, even more lousy characters and a story line with more plotholes in 26 eps than DBZ could get in 300+ eps.

For the year 1995 the animation is ok&#33;&#33;&#33;

oh, well, your opinions are yours =P Personally i dont think its shallow, but that&#39;s me

Originally posted by Alone@May 12 2005, 04:15 PM
For the year 1995 the animation is ok&#33;&#33;&#33;

oh, well, your opinions are yours =P Personally i dont think its shallow, but that&#39;s me
Since I&#39;m rather young, I watched Eva pretty late, but the animation IS/WAS good,
since it WAS made in 1995 and all... :think:

Anyway you can always get the remastered Platinum Collection where everything looks great compared to the old version... also, what ever happened to the "dont judge by what you see only" crap: video games can&#39;t be judged only graphics alone, so why should anime? Yes, its an important part but not the most important...

I think Naruto is becoming overrated soon.

Originally posted by Alone@May 13 2005, 10:27 AM
Anyway you can always get the remastered Platinum Collection where everything looks great compared to the old version... also, what ever happened to the "dont judge by what you see only" crap: video games can&#39;t be judged only graphics alone, so why should anime? Yes, its an important part but not the most important...
Lol, I saw the remastered version and was utterly disappointed. They just made the colours a bit more vivid, big deal. I was expecting a real update of the animation, like what you can see in Death and Rebirth (best example is the scene where Shinji opens Rei&#39;s capsule after beating the cube angel, in the series this part just looks crappy - both in the original and the remastered version - and in Death and Rebirth it actually looks good.

@xpeed: it already is.

see? there you go again - as soon as a majority of... (hm, what do you call us? anime watcher?) start to like anime "X", you (along with a few others) start shouting that its overated and is really crap&#33;&#33;&#33; (btw, i havent watched Naruto, so i have no idea if its good or not)

Even Naruto fans complain about how it drags on and on.. that say a lot IMO XD

Also, people give Naruto 10/10 on everything on sites like animenfo. A lot of people do. That also says something. I saw some of it and the animation is okay, the music is okay, the voices are crap, the story bites (and is way too slow) and the characters are nice and shallow.

Kind of like DBZ and Pokemon, which are the anime that many Naruto fans often watched before they dicovered Naruto.

Yeah, many consider Naruto to be DBZ successor...

Sorry, not to change the subject but i liked EVA since watching the first few episodes and then decide to buy the box set

The whole religion was a daring move, not a bad idea but it might of overcomplicated things *Shrugs*

EVA is good full stop, just you might hav to watch it more than once to get the whole story..... or i jus myt be stooopid *shrugs* :blink:

I just saw the first 6 episodes of EVA, it is pretty damn good. I love the character design, even if it&#39;s generic to the brim, it works and these scene where Shinji is sitting alone in the train and hears walkman (I think it&#39;s in "Hedgehog&#39;s Dilemma") gives me the creeps really. I rarely saw solitude shown better anywhere. Can&#39;t wait to see the rest of the episodes...
There wasn&#39;t any religious stuff in these episodes, except for the title.
I only know the manga &#39;Gundam Wing&#39; but the characters in Gundam Wing are not comparable to EVA because EVA&#39;s characters are way better (though Duo Maxwell is cool).
Naruto is way overrated, it&#39;s a bit like DBZ, with hardly any story. The first episode is one of the best manga episodes I read, the rest is so crappy generic stuff....aargh&#33;

Originally posted by Shinji&#045;Kun@May 27 2005, 03:11 PM
Sorry, not to change the subject but i liked EVA since watching the first few episodes and then decide to buy the box set

The whole religion was a daring move, not a bad idea but it might of overcomplicated things *Shrugs*

EVA is good full stop, just you might hav to watch it more than once to get the whole story..... or i jus myt be stooopid *shrugs* :blink:
I watched it three times, I understand the story but still think it&#39;s bollocks. Met an old classmate on the train today, the only other guy in the town I live who I know who likes anime. We spent some good time dissing Evangelion XD

well, first of all , i&#39;m a fan of evangelion, but i don&#39;t have 376548.... dvds, cds, posters, etc... to tell the truth, i only have a model, and it was my aunt that bought it to me thinking that i would like it (and she was right :D ), furthermore i&#39;ve seen the serie only one time and i still didn&#39;t watch the two movies (yeah, i know, i&#39;m not a good evangelion&#39;s fan :cry: ) second, i don&#39;t think that watch evangelion (or any anime) make me look intelligent (at the moment maybe the opposite , you know, i&#39;m little old now :sweatdrop: ), it&#39;s truht that the argoment is complicated but in my opinion this is positive point (not like dbz where the argoment is "there is a strong bad guy that want to destroy the world and they have to train to become more strong to defeat that guy" <_< , it&#39;s for this that i don&#39;t like dbz -_- ), it&#39;s truht that there are some "mega-super-addict evangelion fans, that even know what kind of beer drink misato :o , but what&#39;s the problem about that? , there are this kind of fans for every anime :think: (and it&#39;s not correct to judge and anime for his fans...), i&#39;m not saying that evangelion is perfect (it&#39;s not), or is the best of all, and i don&#39;t care if the others like it or not and the cause of their decisions... to tell it all, i&#39;m only writting this post because this topic is about evangelion :lol:

^_^

I believe to some extent, Eva is overrated, but more often than not, I think it is underrated. Of course there are better anime overall than eva, but I think it's better than most. Even for the age of the anime, it is still better than the majority of anime that comes out today. Anywho, that's my two pence.

It makes a lot of money. With the new movies and the chibi series.
Classic though. No denying it helped define anime a bit. Then again, so did Naruto in the US =/ So...

Why did you bother reviving a thread from two years ago?