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Noir7
April 12th, 2009, 07:41 am
READ: This is the first reviews of the compositions submitted to the contest. I've reviewed them all, ultimately picking out two compositions which stood out from the rest. However, my vote is not a final one, as there is still a secret judge who is to give the final thoughts on the winning two.

Part 2 (Final results) will be posted in about 4-5 days, but the current score reads:

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Capriccio No1 -- Adrenaline

"This is one of my craziest and free-form compositions, which resulted in its given title. I had a video game battle track in mind, which turned into a duel of pianos (with a violin thrown in between), which turned into a complicated mess of a 100+ measure free-form composition. I put aside meter, rhythm, voice-leading, and other standard composition techniques -- and the result is the intended enharmonic "battle" that you now hear."

We both have very different views on the words "crazy" and "free-form" when talking about music, I think. Let me comment on the 'overallity' here first by putting up a simple yet slightly absurd analogy, but bear with me:

A 50-year-old white collar office worker is living a normal life. So normal, to his thinking, that it is a saddening bore. What he does to turn things around is that he decides to "live vicariously" and books a flight to Thailand where he intends on being for two weeks. While there, he stays at the epicentre of the tourism empire, thinking to himself that he is so proud of exploring an immensely different culture. Of course, he isn't... he only thinks he is. He's still just a boring office worker who is being served by under-paid thai workers. When he goes to bars he feels much more alive than he was in his own country, because he can actually pretend to be "interesting" in this country, since the women here see him as such. Though of course, throw in a woman from his country in the bar and she would never think of him as interesting. So with the thai women, he can actually get some pussy even though it would be impossible for him with his 'own kind' since they instantly recognize him as nothing special at all.

The "A" sections of this song represents that boring office worker, which to untrained ears seem really cool, exciting and a bit wild. For those who know better, it sounds more 'locked-in' than free in form, and the fast-paced runs serve as a cover for that. It's not crazy, it's very simple, standard and see-through. It works -- for the general public. Now, just as the office worker this song would do pretty well when presented to the right crowd. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, because if you think about, most composers do compose music for "regular" people. And since this originated as a battle theme, it served its purpose quite well. Although, if it were finalized as such it would definately need to scrap that violin off the top and keep it as a piano solo, or to fully orchestrate it. When using a violin as a solo instrument with such a crappy sound (as most sound fonts are) you have a challenge in front of you: To make that crappy sound be overshadowed by a great melody, which you did not succeed doing.

The slower interrupting sections were much better than the fast-paced ones. They're even simpler, but simple doesn't need to be a negative thing. In this case, it surely isn't. With the right dynamics, these sections could stand out better than with this version, but the groundwork is good.

This composition achieves 2 and a half Noirs out of 7.




Estrella

"Estrella(Star) is a short piece in a waltz time. The piece starts with its first theme in C major with a "childish" inspiration. After this first theme the second theme comes in A minor; creating a contrast with the first theme. The oboe takes the melodic part then the bassoon enters in a third section in F major; connecting the second and first theme. The themes are repeated, then the piece start fading out slowly."

The short lenght of this piece serves it well, and it was a good choice not to let it drag on. it's sweet and simple throughout its duration with little to criticize on. The use of the bassoon was quite clever, and in my off-set mind I pictured the oboe as a kid jumping around in bliss, and the bassoon as his fat penguin friend. At 00:47 the penguin runs off, stealing the kid's thunder. I know, it might sounds weird but whenever songs get my imagination running it's always a good sign.

This composition isn't one that will go to Ichigo's archive of super milestones, it is simply a piece true to itself and free of pretentiousness, which to me is even better than songs titled like "Creme de la bleu la croix de petite baguette c'est grande penis No. 1 Op. 20" but has no substance whatsoever. My main liking with this piece is that, in contrary to some other pieces submitted to this competition, it doesn't feel forced. It's refreshing because there's no need to add additional, excessive, flavours to this song - and you didn't, and so it rings true with the Hemingway concept, Less is More.

This composition achieves 4 and a half Noirs out of 7.




New Beginning

"The beginning of the song brings the audience to picture the beginning of a great adventure, with a light and carefree mood. As the travelers approach the unknown, an increasing tone of excitement climaxes into a flash of light. The travelers are now transported into the world of fantasy, silent in awe. The travelers cautiously look around in this mysterious world, and start to notice the beautiful and magical surroundings. Here, there, and everywhere, there are countless discoveries! The curious travelers wander around in wonder, exploring this world of fantasy. With a new found energy, the travelers reminisce about the wonders that they have seen, and then depart from this world, back to reality. The title represents my personal wishes for the listener to feel as though they had just been rejuvenated after listening to the piece. As though they had just been given a new beginning and anything is possible. The title also shows my own commitment as a composer to explore more areas and genres in music."

Ambitious compositions of large porportions describing epic things like this one always get my interest. For better or for worse. They can either take my breath away or fail miserably on their own weight.

The opening ten seconds of the song almost screams of a cheesy vinuette of something like "You're watching Noir News, bringing you tomorrow's news -- Today!". I just had to point that out! Anyway, carrying on... The composition is very clear in its portrayal of a magical journey. It does it very well, and very very stereotypically. Although perhaps you were going for that, since it's so clear and uncovered.

I must say though that the latter half of the song is substantially better than the first. The middle part is especially good, I liked the chord choices at 2:11, 2:18, 2:24 and 2:32. The orchestration from here on out is quite good too, although the composition's artistic value diminished from here. Especially when it metamorphed into some kind of national anthem towards the end. The sense of journey is depicted well, and it is nicely arranged.

This composition achieves 3 Noirs out of 7.




Notturno

"It's a nocturne in C#m, a purely lyrical and autobiographical piece, in which I used the Lied form (ABA'). The different three parts share some common infantile elements because the main intention was to evocate childhood memories. But memories soon disappear and the sadness of the present returns."

It's nice.

This composition achieves 3 Noirs out of 7.




Raise up dreams

"In this piece, Tess, the main character of Tess of the d'Urbervilles is telling her love, Angel, that he helps chase away her nightmares. She has many, as she has lived a hard life; she had been abused by her family, after they found out that they were descended from a noble line and became arrogant in spite of their humble means. Furthermore, after this she ended up being sent to live with another family who they assume are related to them (because they have the name d'Urberville), but are not. With this family, she is raped by one of the sons and Tess gets pregnant. She has her baby, who dies, and then runs away. She ends up meeting Angel (technically, they have met once before in the story, but never spoke), and they fall deeply in love and get married. This song happens during their courtship, but the melancholy, nightmare-ish feel of the first part of the song foreshadows the tragic ending to the story; Tess tells Angel the story of her past, and he storms out on her. She waits for him, but finally is desperate for money and food, and returns to the man who raped her. Angel ends up coming back, which leads Tess to murder her new husband so she can run off with Angel. At the end of the story, she is caught and hanged.
The song is supposed to convey the weight of the horrors which Tess faces in her life, as well as showing the hope and happiness which her love for Angel brings to her; in spite of everything that happens to her, she still risks everything to be with Angel."

I agree with the composer that the text is very intriguing, and I enjoyed it a lot. The music set to it is no exception either. Its artistic depth, chord progressions and the integration of the lyrics are my favourite points. Let's start with the first point -- the artistic depth.

I listen to a lot of music, and a lot of *Music*. *Music*, translates into music that gets my mind wander, my creativity flowing and basically something that inspires me. Of course, Ichigo's being a small community (relatively) serving as a home for less-experienced composers, finding these special pieces of music isn't something you stumble upon each day, but there are a few composers here who are definately capable of creating those songs. Two songs of yours had a similar effect on me, which actually inspired me to write what would become some of my previous tunes. I'm glad that you've started to compose such songs again, like this one, and it's truly no matter of *getting better* and practising for you, it's simply that you need to be picky, take your time and let the creativity consume you. Composition is like a huge rock, and a composer can already *see* the sculpture and what feeling it emits even before starting to carve the stone. In this case, you had the lyrics to serve as that rock, and I feel that this composition, artistically, reached a near perfect result.

The lenght of the piece is optimal, I wouldn't want to hear less or more of it. The chord choices you made are excellent, as well as the unpredictable melodies. This song, with light strings in the background of the piano, played-back with an old radio would conjure up images of the first half of the past century. Almost a bit Casablanca-ish. Although, the piano as a solo instrument with a singing voice works as well.

This composition achieves 3 and a half Noirs out of 7.




Re:Morse

"This submission, more-so the larger planned work, takes moments of Morse Code history and presents them in small almost independent viewings of musical experience.
This small opening segment is based off the Morse code text "SOS" (...---...). It is a minimalist tone poem bringing about emotions of swirling waters, life rafts bobbing up and down, and helplessness."

While I can feel the sense of helplessness depicted in this piece, I'm having a hard time picturing the swirling waters and stuff... but anyway, what I think isn't important for now - To make these kind of tone-poem compositions affect the listener you're required to put an enormous amount of thought into them, and then to make the listener feel it. What we have here is a good idea, well thought-out but poorly orchestrated and simply too abrupt.

I cannot help but feel that this song is trying to be something it's not. You describe it as minimalistic, and though that might be true in a strict sense, it just comes off as pretentious the more I think of it.

When the ending played, I felt like I was sitting at a cinema with my popcorn, being thrown out right after the opening credits. And speaking of the ending - the *actual* ending chords being my point here - were almost leaning towards embarrassment. When I listen to the piece a couple of times in repeat, the ending almost ticks me off, kind of like you tried to write that very last passage just to piss me off... and it really succeeded. But I mean, a song which emits feelings of annoyance and provocation are feelings nonetheless, and I suppose it counts for something.

This composition achieves 2 Noirs out of 7.




Running Home

"Running Home. I was going to do orchestral, but the emotions I wanted to get across didn't work well with sections like percussion and brass. Not that it couldn't be properly orchestrated for the full orchestra, but I think it works better with strings and piano only.

I simply imagined a typical anime scene in my head. A female school student is late home. So just imagine her yelling "jaa ~ matta ne!" to her friends as she starts speeding towards home. She runs through streets and alleyways, dodging people on her way home. Finally, she arrives home, safe and sound."

You know, there's nothing wrong with this piece at all. Orchestrating this with the brass and percussion as you intended on doing initially would've messed it up for sure, so good call on not going so. While it sounds utterly computerized and unrefined (seeing as you did have nice sounds to play with) I don't like to focus on the technical quality of compositions, so let me instead continue explaining why you won't be winning this contest; the word "mata" in Japanese ("again") is never spelled with a double-t-sound. That would be like saying "I'll see you latter", although the correct translation would be "I waited, didn't I?" if you use matta instead of mata. (Matta is "wait" in past tense form).

Added to that, composer-wise, I think you have much more potential than you show in your compositions (not just speaking of this particular one). You have a passion for music - that much is clear - you seem very inspired and motivated, and you have the privelege of being in possession of great sound samples, yet you stick to this level of mediocrity. Being a big fan of VG/Anime music is one thing, but actually striving to sound exactly like a billion other mediocre japanese musicians instead of evolving up and beyond is something you should avoid.

If I were to take this tune and throw it into a bin of 500 japanese half-arsed tunes I would never be able to pick it up again, because it would be impossible to tell them apart.

This composition achieves 2 and a half quarters of Noirs out of 7.




Your Name

The only thing more cliché than this song is its name! Then that voice came in and made me smile, and I don't know but... I conjured up this image in my head of a typical American high-school delinquent always being a pain in the arse to the "nerds" in the school. However, when he goes home, he locks himself in his teenage-room and starts singing these love ballads in secrecy.

The intro is actually quite good, as is the song in its overall orchestration and writing -- but that voice... I mean, it's entertaining, but in all the wrong ways! And at 04:20 you forgot what key you were in? Anyway, the main thing about this piece is that it seems compromised in too many aspects. Some parts seem to 'be there' because you needed a bridge or a 'door' to the following part(s). Compromising is a no-no this time around, which I thought I pointed out quite obsessively in my starting post of this competition.

The guitar solo is to my liking, although it's a bit too long. Then that voice again... it just keeps bugging the hell out of me, lol. 04:44 to the end is my favourite part.

This composition achieves 3 and a half Noirs out of 7.

Noir7
April 12th, 2009, 07:47 am
Oh, and it's okay to clutter this thread with comments and/or questions. And also, it's not punishable by death if one wishes to review the songs himself, in this thread.

deathraider
April 12th, 2009, 08:46 am
Two songs of yours had a similar effect on me, which actually inspired me to write what would become some of my previous tunes. I'm glad that you've started to compose such songs again, like this one, and it's truly no matter of *getting better* and practising for you, it's simply that you need to be picky, take your time and let the creativity consume you.

Wow, that made me really really happy! Thanks for the compliments. I'm really curious as to which of my other songs inspired you, though; would you mind telling me at some point which songs and why they inspired you?

You're totally right about the other stuff though, and I didn't even realize it until you said that (well, I think I DO need to get better in some elements, such as orchestration, but that's just because I've never been in an orchestra). Usually my best songs come in bursts, and I usually end up devoting nearly all my focus to those songs while I'm writing them. Furthermore, although I don't necessarily have a clear-cut form or melody in mind when I start my pieces, the pieces are always the easiest to write and turn out the best when I have an overall idea or goal for the entire piece and just let it flow from that. Obviously after I finish a work, I edit and edit for weeks afterward, though.

I honestly never realized some of that stuff before, so thanks for helping me to understand myself a little better. :P

I might write my own reviews of the pieces a little later...

PorscheGTIII
April 12th, 2009, 02:34 pm
Quick question, how can we interpret the "Noir Scale?" XD

KaitouKudou
April 12th, 2009, 07:18 pm
Wow, I got a better review then I expected, and yes the sort of stereotypical sound that you mentioned was intentional. I prefer to let the listeners know exactly what it is that I am trying to portray whether its a scene, a feeling, or something else. I think Disney was actually where I got the idea for the opening motif actually lol. I take it that I didn't exactly take your breath away but i didn't fail miserably either :lol:

HopelessComposer
April 12th, 2009, 09:32 pm
Sometimes, being a little less than a 100% honest is a good thing. I can't read your mind, but it feels like you're actively trying to demean the composers you're reviewing here, instead of simply reviewing them. You should take care to think about other people's feelings at all times; just because you're pulling people out of holes doesn't mean you have the right to spit in their faces while you're yanking them up.

Again, I can't see what you're thinking, so maybe you genuinely just want to help people. I'm just telling you what it looks like to me. You said in your last thread that you wanted criticisms directed to you personally, instead of behind your back. I'm doing this out of the respect for the Noir7 I remember from a few years back. Please take my advice to heart; a little tact and restraint goes a long way!

The way you're going about things now, I think you may convince more people to quit composing than to try harder. And unless you're a completely different person from a few years ago, that definitely isn't your intent. If you push horses too hard, they don't run faster; they die. ;)

Nyu001
April 12th, 2009, 09:35 pm
Well here is my short comment for each piece:

Capriccio-no1-Adrenaline

There is one thing that bug me in this piece and is the way you used the violin. Whiles the piano is playing these fast notes the violin is just playing uninteresting notes. The violin could have done something interesting by giving to it more than a few long notes.

Also you could have added a climax or a better ending to this piece, the way it finished was suddenly and very weak.

Estrella

Was interesting your visualization of it Noir7. And I found it funny after listen to it again.

To your comment about not being forced, yes it is true, It came naturally to me in my piano.

I have nothing else to say about my own entry. What I had to say I already did in the reflection.

New Beginning

Volume.... :P

Not much to say here. I like it, nice orchestration, nice material. A bit too extended I think, I would have preferred it more squeezed for have a stronger impact. Enjoyable anyway! ;)

Notturno

Style and structure are very alike to Chopin's compositions. I liked the piano piece, but sometimes it felt too slow and in occasions I felt the piece was missing something. But still nice to listen.

Raise up dreams

I would have wished this was well recorded and with another piano, I would love to listen to it in a better audio quality. The music for me was interesting; the vocal melody looks very well placed with the words. My favorite part was the Adagio. I like it and it entertain my mind.

Re:morse

I like the idea of using the morse code in the music. Ideas like this always entertain my mind. But the music was too short for me and I tend to like longer pieces when are things like this. Something negative I have to say is that the the ending was just abrupt and did not fit with the rest of the music in my opinion. And I remember you put an ending like this in the previous contest.

Running home

I think this piece is very well done. The strings and piano are doing their job very well; no need of anything else. The structure of this piece is also good. I like that after you show the first 2 sections and their repetitions, you broke with it creating a new refleshing section to the piece. My favorite part was at 1:39; but something I did not like was the copy-paste without have change anything to the notes. I also heard from the first moment this piece has influences by other composers, mostly Joe Hisaishi; which reminded me to some works by him.

Your name

Same as Noir7, except the guitar solo length is fine to me. Singer need to work a lot with his voice and you to complement the mix better for music and a voice to mix very well.

brncao
April 12th, 2009, 10:50 pm
Haha production and mastering is a pain in the ass for those who can't afford any DAW application (never rely on Finale/Sibelius for creating auditory music). Hmm wait was it considered in the decision making process or just the composition alone?

deathraider
April 12th, 2009, 11:06 pm
Sometimes, being a little less than a 100% honest is a good thing. I can't read your mind, but it feels like you're actively trying to demean the composers you're reviewing here, instead of simply reviewing them. You should take care to think about other people's feelings at all times; just because you're pulling people out of holes doesn't mean you have the right to spit in their faces while you're yanking them up...If you push horses too hard, they don't run faster; they die. ;)

I disagree; I've been here for a long time, and I don't feel like his style of critiquing has changed at all. I have to say, him telling me (being honest with me) when I sucked only made me want to do better. Noir7 is not pushing us "too hard", he is simply being completely honest in all his feelings, and I respect that; if he padded his reviews, we would all think we were better than we really were, and wouldn't try as hard to improve. If you posted actively in this forum, you would know that ego stroking hinders more than helps.

Nyu001, I'm sorry you didn't think the recording quality was that good (although I think it was actually really good, considering I just had to record it in the choir room at my university). I just ended up having to use someone's macbook to record it, and then I edited it with Audacity. The piano could have been more in tune, but it's a Steinway, so I wouldn't necessarily want a different piano.

BigZenigata
April 12th, 2009, 11:10 pm
Woo! I annoyed someone with that ending! :D

Re:Morse isn't finished by a long shot and that ending... geh... either I nail an ending or it's just "off" and cliche. But "annoyance" and "Frustration" are valid feelings to be brought upon by the piece.


Something negative I have to say is that the the ending was just abrupt and did not fit with the rest of the music in my opinion. And I remember you put an ending like this in the previous contest.
Lol yeah sort of. But if you look at some of the parts of Carmina Buerana (which Orff received similar negative comments from the music community about) have those sort of "quick endings".

Oh well, better luck next time for me. (At least I made a 2! XD)

Kevin Penkin
April 13th, 2009, 02:51 am
Thanks for your review(s). It's a shame it wasn't to your liking as much as I wanted it to be haha! Funny what a simple "t" will do to you. I guess regarding mata/matta, I won't be making the same mistake again haha!

Good luck to all! AND WELL DONE :)

HopelessComposer
April 13th, 2009, 02:59 am
I disagree; I've been here for a long time, and I don't feel like his style of critiquing has changed at all. I have to say, him telling me (being honest with me) when I sucked only made me want to do better. Noir7 is not pushing us "too hard", he is simply being completely honest in all his feelings, and I respect that; if he padded his reviews, we would all think we were better than we really were, and wouldn't try as hard to improve. If you posted actively in this forum, you would know that ego stroking hinders more than helps.
There's a difference between refraining from stroking people's egos and needlessly insulting a work. You can give honest (even negative!) reviews without being condescending. I think a few of the reviews up there (the first one, in particular) come off as being needlessly snide.

If you disagree with me, that's fine. If Noir disagrees with me, that's fine. I'm just calling it how I see it, so that one of my favorite mods doesn't hear only what his fans and long-time comrades think about his reviews. I'm not the only person who shares this opinion; I'm just the first one honest enough to make my opinion known here.

As a quick side-note, I personally wouldn't have had a problem receiving any of the critiques above. I just think a lot of people would; not everyone has thick skin, and I think Noir wants to encourage people to try harder, not crush them into submission. I think his tone in some of the above reviews come off as excessively harsh, when he could made his points with a bit more tact.

And damnit, I wanted to join this competition. I was surprised to see that the deadline had already passed, hahah!

Nyu001
April 13th, 2009, 03:02 am
That just reminded me now to my design teacher, also creative communication... People spending weeks working hard with their oral presentations, designs, reviews, etc and if you leave an orthographic mistake... you are just fucked, really lol. Strict teacher but amazing and and very kind. Yeah, totally off topic from my side. :whistle:

deathraider
April 13th, 2009, 04:58 am
There's a difference between refraining from stroking people's egos and needlessly insulting a work. You can give honest (even negative!) reviews without being condescending. I think a few of the reviews up there (the first one, in particular) come off as being needlessly snide.

Fair enough.

chopin4525
April 14th, 2009, 12:38 pm
To be honest I was waiting for a deeper comment on my composition than "it's nice".:heh::heh:
Be rude or whatever you want but I really expected something more!

I really appreciated Nyu001 comment because it pointed out the weak point of this Notturno: it's clearly incomplete and it feels like there is always something missing. I have to disagree on your note about the tempo: it had to be slow but not too much. If you listen to the midi file and the mp3 (2nd version) you can quicly notice a difference: I speeded up the track to what I think it's the right tempo. There is no clear reason to make it faster because it should be a lyrical and expressive piece, the A section in particular. Also it has a romantic feel but nothing to do with Chopin's nocturnes. Why? Armonies and their sequence. Compared to Chopin's, mines are less interesting and quite simple, owing to my inexperience and lack of time. You've just been kind but there are huge differences which cannot be ignored. In the end I can say that I really tried to do my best after a 5 years break. I think I'll come back on this composition this summer after exams, carefully analyzing score, melody,etc... :think:

I also notice that only one composition was evaluated more than sufficient, assuming that 3,5 it's between good and bad, so I guess Noir7 thoughts basically are still the same before the contest. I am just curious to see more comments and also how mister x evaluations will mix and influence yours, Noir7.
Unfortunately I cannot comment on other users' compositions untill my notebook will come back next week, I hope, without blue screen. ;)

Noir7
April 14th, 2009, 01:19 pm
The secret judges (there's two of them) will only review the top-2 compositions of this contest. Deathraider's and Nyu001's.

BigZenigata
April 14th, 2009, 06:24 pm
Ummm according to your scale there's 3... Nyu's and then tied for "2nd" is Deathraiders and Porsche's. Both of whom have 3 1/2 Noir's.

KaitouKudou
April 14th, 2009, 06:28 pm
A correction on Noir's comment on running home.

sometimes girls can say "Matta-ne~" either to be cute or as a taunting joke. The latter of which is used very frequently amongst guys as well. In terms of the scene he describe matane would be more natural but it won't be weird in saying the former. I'm hoping that this was not a part of the reason why he did not win.

Musically, the reason felt biased. It does not sound to me like he had pulled this piece out of his a*# in the last minute and submitted it and it is a good piece as you said. I thought the comments made were unfair to him. You may no him better than me as I only listened to a few of his pieces so I won't know what his "full potential" might be but I am still not quite clear on how this pieces and some other pieces were evaluated.

PS: This was just my view and not saying it to criticize what you said but rather provide you with something to think about. If you feel what I said hold value then great, if not, you can disreguard it and forget.

Kevin Penkin
April 14th, 2009, 07:53 pm
A correction on Noir's comment on running home.

sometimes girls can say "Matta-ne~" either to be cute or as a taunting joke. The latter of which is used very frequently amongst guys as well. In terms of the scene he describe matane would be more natural but it won't be weird in saying the former. I'm hoping that this was not a part of the reason why he did not win.

Musically, the reason felt biased. It does not sound to me like he had pulled this piece out of his a*# in the last minute and submitted it and it is a good piece as you said. I thought the comments made were unfair to him. You may no him better than me as I only listened to a few of his pieces so I won't know what his "full potential" might be but I am still not quite clear on how this pieces and some other pieces were evaluated.

PS: This was just my view and not saying it to criticize what you said but rather provide you with something to think about. If you feel what I said hold value then great, if not, you can disreguard it and forget.

Hehe. I won't comment much :P It was simply a lack of Japanese knowledge not anything else, although thank you a lot for your comments :) If you want to know me better (and Noir7 doesn't really know me that well at all) then just check our the Emotionalist pieces on my WAAPA blog :)

Thank you again!!!

Oh read my profile on the HRS website as well if you wish :)

Thank you!

chopin4525
April 14th, 2009, 09:42 pm
Ummm according to your scale there's 3... Nyu's and then tied for "2nd" is Deathraiders and Porsche's. Both of whom have 3 1/2 Noir's.

It's not about the scale, it's about what he likes or dislikes as posted in the rules I guess. ._____.

BigZenigata
April 15th, 2009, 12:04 am
It's not about the scale, it's about what he likes or dislikes as posted in the rules I guess. ._____.

Well so much for being fair...

KaitouKudou
April 15th, 2009, 02:17 am
In Noir's defense, It is technically still fair since it was written in the rules. The participants were striving to write something that he would like. But many of us don't know what he may or may not like so we just write the best we can and submit, hoping it would be close to his "taste". If any one of us judged for a competition, we will ultimately be subject to our own biased taste as well.

Competition was fair. think of it as Noir wanted to buy a newly composed piece for $100 and he reduced his choices to 2 pieces he liked best.

Nyu001
April 15th, 2009, 02:44 am
I would have liked that the judge could comment in each piece, I think it would be nice if each participant get a comment from strange persons. At least the composers can see how are the different points of view from other persons about their music. Or composers here commenting each other pieces.

deathraider
April 15th, 2009, 04:04 am
In Noir's defense, It is technically still fair since it was written in the rules. The participants were striving to write something that he would like.
Technically, he didn't say to write something he liked, he just said he wanted us to write to our full potential. I guess this is subjective, but still, there's a difference.

Noir7
April 15th, 2009, 04:29 am
Nyu001: There's nothing stopping people from reviewing each and every piece, still.

The reason why I will only publish the two-top compositions' scores made by the secret judges is simply that I don't want to give away 100 dollars from my own wallet to compositions that don't deserve them. Nyu's and Death's compositions both deserve the prize, and I will let the most important judge decide who wins. I'll post the final results later today, so tune in ^.^

And I never stated that the contest was going to be fair.

deathraider
April 15th, 2009, 08:12 am
And yet I think you captured the essence of fairness by letting us judge ourselves, and figuring a way to do so honestly. I guess I shouldn't be the one talking since I won, though...

Milchh
April 15th, 2009, 10:23 pm
I am going to give lengthy reviews of the pieces. Stay tuned!

Nyu001
April 15th, 2009, 10:53 pm
Nyu001, I'm sorry you didn't think the recording quality was that good (although I think it was actually really good, considering I just had to record it in the choir room at my university). I just ended up having to use someone's macbook to record it, and then I edited it with Audacity. The piano could have been more in tune, but it's a Steinway, so I wouldn't necessarily want a different piano.

Hmm, you know? I just figure out something. I am using very crap speakers! I connected now my old speaker and your piece sounds a lot better there! Same happened with Mazeppa. Too bad is just one speaker that one, and the crap ones are the stereo. xP

Milchh
April 15th, 2009, 11:11 pm
My review of all the pieces entered. (http://forums.ichigos.com/showpost.php?p=423631&postcount=9)