Continued from the other thread...



If you think about it, isn't homosexuality just as weird as pedophilia? And weirder than ephebophila?

In my opinion, they're both the same, namely a sexual preference. You can't blame a paedophile for being a paedophile. You can however, blame one for raping a child. Do they all do that though? I'm sure there are a lot of people with feelings for little children and they don't do anything with that, suppressing the urge to do anything to children.

I think saying that all paedophiles are child rapists is the same as saying all gays constantly hit on all other men they encounter. It's an incorrect assumption.

I'm not saying that being gay is wrong btw, that's totally fine with me. What I'm saying is that I don't care about whether someone is a paedophile when they don't do anything to children.

Just try making a youtube video of this and watch the inevitable clusterfuck ensue.

Hey, I have some pretty messy fantasies, but I don't act out all of them.

Does liking anime children count as paedophillia, not that I read/watch Kodomo Jikan or Kanokon of course :think: curiousity~ I'm still a kid, so I'm safe for now~ :P
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Wow, shut up before you start bashing interracial couples.
Wow, shut up before you start stuffing words down my throat. I didn't bash anyone. I simply stated the truth: homosexuality is as weird as pedophilia is (can't procreate either way), and weirder than ephebophiles (at least ephebophilia can lead to procreation).

In short, if everyone were gay, we'd go extinct. If everyone liked younger girls....well, we wouldn't. From a survival standpoint (and isn't the main goal of any species to survive?), homosexuality makes no sense whatsoever, while pedophilia makes little sense, and ephebophilia makes pretty good sense.

I'm not saying that people should act out on their pedophilic urges (at least not in this society), and people who do act out on such urges are indeed doing wrong, whereas gay couples are completely in the right.

Sooooo....all three conditions are harmless unless acted out upon. Acting out on homosexuality is also fine when acted out on. But homosexuality is still the weirdest urge, from a survival standpoint.

Basically, I can't see how people can accept homosexuality and not pedophilia (and especially ephebophilia), because homosexuality makes the least sense out of the three.

The problem lies in of the fact that everyone assumes that allowing for pædophillia will create the effect that the pædophile will eventually enact upon their fantasies. While this is unfounded, it can only be assumed to be true in the sense of how humans react to lust (a prime example is rape). What society is seeing is that the "thought" of such actions could derive to the realization of these actions; thus they outcast the thinkers, and imprison those that act. It's another example of sociological scare tactics.

In all honesty, it's perfectly natural to have sexual fetishes and fantasies. From the way how everyone establishes their own persona, desires based on these should be embraced rather than disregarded, lest you prefer mental anguish and stress. Ignoring such thoughts are said to be harmful to the party at hand. Because of this reasoning, the focus now shifts to the other party.

The major deciding factor for pædophillia is the common question of "Does it harm the child". All other topics just skip across the pond of morality. The common answer is yes; after all, males and females unintentionally participating in sex is classified as harmful to the related party.

So I suppose the real question is, "How could this harm the child". Sexual maturity? Emotional scarring? Religious belief? Social standing? Segregation? Thousands of propositions come to mind, but ultimately the decision is clouded as the involved party is a child. It's already been stated that a child's plea is not the sternest of judgments, but in this case, should it be the child's choice, or should adults address this factor and take charge? How can one surmise what exactly is harmful for someone else? And if so, what would be the process for detailing these?

The common answer is that it is harmful to children. It really is kind of an obvious claim as sex in of itself is a very personal and taboo subject in most societies. Given the level of maturity on the subject, it's often chosen that children are not mature enough to make an educated decision on their actions that is sufficient in weight for the repercussions of the action. Thus, it's mandated for all cases; if just for simplicity.

Although, most people don't even consider, or even know of, the Rind Report (http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm) when stating their opinion on the subject. Then again, this document is subject to a lot of debate and often the credibility of it is argued against. In which those arguments are also full of debate and uncredited. It's quite the vicious cycle, no?



Myself, I'm indifferent. I don't particularly like knowing of people that are pædophiles, but at the same time, it's a persons choice to make. They just better be ready for the repercussions that come along with it.

Though, I do find that the recent claims that lolicon — an anime genera that focuses on younger females often in sexual situations — is a gateway for non-pædophiles as unfounded, under researched, and not realistic. Surely, the material does display acts of pædophillia, but where is the "harm" that is created by the genera? Every thing is — well, except in the case of models — fictitious, so physical harm is eliminated. So where exactly is the problem? Mental harm? I've yet to find an answer that I can stand by with confidence.

I also don't like how governments are charging people in possession of fictitious, animated material on an equal standing as those that posses real material. The two should be on a separate tier, as each are quite different in level of severity.

Regardless of the above, the PROTECT Act of 2003 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.151:) (better known as the Amber Alert) clearly states that it is illegal to not only participate in such actions (which was an established law in the US sometime in the late 70s (Isn't that a scary thought)) but to be in possession of material involving such actions. Therefore, regardless of my opinions, this is how the government I reside in has decided upon.

Ok, what is annoying is what most likely wont change. What it seems like some of you see is that homosexuality is something weird, awkward, maybe unnatural and immoral. I wont say much more on that, other then if you really think that then you are really stupid.

And everything isn't about strategic winning, survival or procreation. If that was all that really mattered, then why do we try so hard to elaborate life? Love apparently doesn't matter, with the rise of Gosper Gliders...


I think saying that all paedophiles are child rapists is the same as saying all gays constantly hit on all other men they encounter. It's an incorrect assumption.

I think that a better comparison is to "all gays have sex with all other men," if even that. Hitting on someone is something that extends to all sexual preferences, and not comparable to rape...

[Bold type for Whip.]

Ok, what is annoying is what most likely wont change. What it seems like some of you see is that homosexuality is something weird, awkward, maybe unnatural and immoral.
How is [a guy] taking it in the butt natural and not weird?
The reason we invented lube was because your ass was meant to be a one way street. Sure, you can drive up it the wrong way, but some people are bound to think you're a little crazy. =P

Since you don't think gays are weird, let me ask you this:
Do you think bondage is weird?
How about masosadism?
Dressing up as animals? Are furries weird?
How about watersports?
Bukkake?
Diapers?
Scat?
Pedophilia?

Maybe [guys] taking it in the butt isn't weird to you, but it's fucking weird to me. But hey, that's not a problem. It's weird, not immoral. Being weird is fine! Everyone is into some weird shit at least once in awhile. It's cool! I like gay people! I also like sadomasochists, furries, and pedophiles! They're all fine by me, as long as they're not going around raping people!

Now that the fact that I like everyone is out in the open, how about you? Can you say the same? If you can, can you still call all of the fetishes I just listed "normal?" Keep in mind that if you answer no to any of this, you're a god damned hypocrite, as far as I can see.

And everything isn't about strategic winning, survival or procreation. If that was all that really mattered, then why do we try so hard to elaborate life? Love apparently doesn't matter, with the rise of Gosper Gliders...
To nature, survival is everything. If you want to get into human ethics, you can do that. Just keep in mind that human morals, ethics, and tastes change depending on where and when you are. In some places, marrying little girls is still A-Okay, whilst being a homosexual will get you killed. Who are you to decide which culture is correct? You're nobody. And neither am I. Because of this, I based my argument purely on what nature intended. And nature wants us to procreate, not mutually masturbate.

Please remember that I'm really only playing Devil's Advocate here. My real attitude is "do whatever the hell you want, as long as you're not hurting anybody." I have nothing against anybody, anywhere. I'm just having fun. =)

Like Whip said, homosexuality has nothing to do with anal sex, though it can lead to it, all it's reserved to is what body you lust for, and what soul you tend to love. I assume your argument for male anal sex being weird, anyways, is based on the idea that a penis should be inserted into a vagina because through that way you can impregnate the female. But by that logic, oral sex and masturbation is weird too, and really, it isn't. It wasn't weird 3,000 years ago, and it especially isn't today when there are scat fetishes.

And there is a distinction from a fetish/sexual fantasy and sexual orientation, understand that. To compare homosexuality to bukakke and scat is not only laughable, but also very inconsiderate, insensitive and very rude. Likewise, you being attracted to females isn't the same as wanting to rub shit all over your face.

An argument that has basis on natural survival is pretty stupid and irrelevant too, seeing how people are quite unnatural these days anyway. I'm sure many people agree that what makes man, especially modern man, so special is our ability to pull ourselves out of nature and into things like complex emotions, arts, and science. None of those benefit someone's natural survival rate, so I guess we should take our anime and vaccines and shove it?

By the way, I am gay, so no I don't think gay's are weird. And I do think you were bashing people, in the idea that you are calling giant groups of people weird, when it really isn't helping a forward thinking cause. You may not be fighting against homosexuals and related things, but also I really don't think that calling blacks and interracial marriage weird helped anyone 50 years ago, and probably was looked at bashing.

Like Whip said, homosexuality has nothing to do with anal sex, though it can lead to it, all it's reserved to is what body you lust for, and what soul you tend to love.
Oh yeah, totally. Just like heterosexual love has nothing to do with vaginal sex. Gotcha. Almost never happens, I'm sure.

I assume your argument for male anal sex being weird, anyways, is based on the idea that a penis should be inserted into a vagina because through that way you can impregnate the female. But by that logic, oral sex and masturbation is weird too, and really, it isn't.
Oral (heterosexual) sex isn't weird, because it strengthens the bond between the man and woman, which will lead to a longer relationship, which will lead to more babies. Can't say the same thing about man-on-man sucking. So yes, using my original logic, oral sex between man and woman isn't weird.
Masturbation is a way to fantasize about your next partner whilst you're alone, pushing you to try harder to get laid, relieving stress, etc. I think it also fits in nicely with our need to survive. Fantasizing about your next male-on-male encounter, again, isn't going to drive you to keep the species going.

And there is a distinction from a fetish/sexual fantasy and sexual orientation, understand that. To compare homosexuality to bukakke and scat is not only laughable, but also very inconsiderate, insensitive and very rude. Likewise, you being attracted to females isn't the same as wanting to rub shit all over your face.
There's no difference. You just wish there was. Your sexual desires are your sexual desires, whether they be heterosexual, homosexual, or shit-related. Comparing homosexuality to other sexual preferences shouldn't be offensive to you, unless you find those other preferences shameful or disgusting. In which case, screw you; I subscribe to a few of those fetishes. Sue me if I'd rather have a girl piss on my face instead of having a guy's junk in my mouth, you bastard. =P

An argument that has basis on natural survival is pretty stupid and irrelevant too, seeing how people are quite unnatural these days anyway. I'm sure many people agree that what makes man, especially modern man, so special is our ability to pull ourselves out of nature and into things like complex emotions, arts, and science. None of those benefit someone's natural survival rate, so I guess we should take our anime and vaccines and shove it?
I already went over why the nature angle made sense, but since you're rejecting it, then fine. Let's go the "what's weird to people route." I'd say being gay is pretty weird to some cultures, since they'd happily kill you for it. I starred in a few plays in highschool as a few different flambouyantly, flaming-hotter-than-the-sun characters, and the laughter I earned was ridiculous. People cried laughing everytime. Sure, part of the laughter came from the fact that my character was a ridiculous sex maniac, but a large part of it came from the fact that he was gay. Everyone found that novel, interesting, and weird.

Another fun fact: Right now, America's adult male population is said to be somewhere around 4% gay. I'm willing to bet I could pick a fetish you'd call weird that afflicts more than 4% of men. So, homosexuality is weirder than [insert fetish here]. I think if we took a survey, there'd be more guys into bondage than homosexuality. Is bondage weird to you? Because bondage is probably more common than homosexuality! Isn't that weird?!

You may not be fighting against homosexuals and related things, but also I really don't think that calling blacks and interracial marriage weird helped anyone 50 years ago, and probably was looked at bashing.
Alright, awesome. So fifty years from now, when bondage is acceptable to the masses, I can call you a dick for thinking it's weird right now. Glad to know that you only accept what the idiot majority can accept.

Anyway. Sorry if the post is a little messy; I didn't want to burn too much time on it, so please try to read into what I'm saying, instead of just arguing semantics with me. I didn't take the time to make sure the whole post was water-tight from that standpoint, if you know what I mean. XP

Touchy subject for me therefore I will just be a spectator.

Back to the point of paedphilia; from a scientific point of view, it is quite like the fight or flight concept. If you go back to the medieval ages and earlier it was quite normal for a 13 or 14 year old child to get married and have kids. Its only people of this modern society that have deemed us to be an 'adult' at 18 and only capable of making these judgments at that age; where as far as nature is concerned, you're an 'adult' as soon as you hit puberty. This for some people, might be as young as 9 or 10. Now, this has been going on for century's and even millenniums; there for it is only human nature for some to be attracted for people of a young age. Much like violence, when someone threatens us, the first instinct is to hit them back or run; this is fight or flight. Since humans have been doing this since we came into existence it is only natural that we still do it. People need to understand that a pedophile isn't some sick or twisted person, but rather someone who is affect by a basic human instinct. It is only a problem now because of what our society has declared 'right' and 'wrong'. The same can be said about homosexuality and fetishes. Any species tries to reproduce, and with humans reaching a certain level of sentience, why not take something that is enjoyable and that is instinctual to try and make it more enjoyable for yourself. While nearly all animals are only concerned about survival, humans have developed to a point where they participate in activities purely for enjoyment. It is only because that we have taken something that was intended for our survival and made it into something for our own personal gain that it is viewed as weird. But consider this; is it weird if many people have been doing it for years, and that it comes to people naturally in the first place?

Alright, awesome. So fifty years from now, when bondage is acceptable to the masses, I can call you a dick for thinking it's weird right now. Glad to know that you only accept what the idiot majority can accept.


There is also common sense, try to use it. You might be able to go hypothetical and theoretical right now, but really, think for a second about the real world. There are people out there barred from marriage, people being killed, because they love someone of the same sex. You are really comparing that to the plights of someone who is into s&m?
By all means, think your theories if you want, but it disturbs me if you truly can't think with sensibility and realism.

Also, your argument over oral sex and masturbation is ridiculously stupid, you were better off just not saying it.

I'm done, even if you are "just playing the devil's advocate" and it may be online, you really are annoying, insensitive and rude. It's like arguing with extreme Christian right-wing conservatives, or a dining table: I just don't want to.

Also, your argument over oral sex and masturbation is ridiculously stupid, you were better off just not saying it.
*Shrugs* After talking to you for so long, some stupidity is bound to rub off on anybody.

I'm done, even if you are "just playing the devil's advocate" and it may be online, you really are annoying, insensitive and rude. It's like arguing with extreme Christian right-wing conservatives, or a dining table: I just don't want to.
*Bows gracefully*
Thank you, m'lord. My job here is done.
I still think you're the rude one, though, looking down your nose at all the S&M lovers. =)

Sorry for calling you weird, anyway. I didn't mean to break your god damned heart or anything. I was actually going to stop after this post regardless of what you said, because I could tell you were taking it a little too personally. I understand that being gay is probably a decent sized source of stress in your life (in your "I'm back!" post a bit ago, I think you said something to the effect that "you'd finally stopped trying to be 'normal'"), but everyone has stuff like that. Everyone's a little strange in some way or another, and of course everyone feels a little awkward about themselves sometimes. Me being "insensitive" to you is my way of saying "I don't care if you're gay, at all." I'm an asshole to everyone; why should I walk on eggshells around your feelings just because your gay? You should be happy that I'm treating you the same way I treat everyone else, instead of complaining about it. Anyway, my advice to you would be to....you know....not worry about what people think so much.

@Teamond:
Very well said!

When you watch too much Law and Order, Cold Case and CSI: Miami you tend to recognize that pedos no matter what the excuse are evil and will eventually be arrested.

haha onllllly in the world of television are things this simple.

In series like Law and Order you may assume that the paedophiles actually did something wrong to begin with ;) like rape/murder a child or watching child porn or something.

^Not really. I don't watch CSI much, but from what I remember, they're usually just the first suspects, and it turns out to be somebody else. They're like "You're a registered pedophile, that's proof enough that you did it!" and then they find some evidence that clears them.

But of course CSI is the most realistic thing ever.

http://www.neko-koneko.nl/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/CSI_is_basically_like_this.jpg

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the infamous "I'll create a GUI in Visual Basic, see if I can track an IP address"? XD

CSI sucks.

But of course CSI is the most realistic thing ever.

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the infamous "I'll create a GUI in Visual Basic, see if I can track an IP address"? XD

CSI sucks.

I saw another one of those on NCIS. "He's using the H.264 Codec, that means he's streaming live!"

Anywho, in some countries in the world marriage between 10 year old girls and 80 year old men is legal http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/12/saudi.child.marriage/ which is... very different if you would all agree. :\

That's islam for ya. Child rapists :/ but you're not allowed to say anything about it because then you're being racist.

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the infamous "I'll create a GUI in Visual Basic, see if I can track an IP address"?
Yeah, thanks for reminding me. I wanted to punch the who god damned planet in the face when I saw that clip. Sooooooo stupiddddd.
They should get M to write for them. He's like a freaking Acronym Encyclopedia, except he actually sounds like he makes sense, at least. Usually.
::Throws M a medal!:: ;)

Strictly speaking you COULD write a GUI in VB in order to track an IP address (as a frontend for a CLI tool), but why on earth would you want to? XD

Strictly speaking you COULD write a GUI in VB in order to track an IP address (as a frontend for a CLI tool), but why on earth would you want to?
Well yeah, but like you said, first of all, it's pointless, and second of all, he made it sound like his GUI IMMA MAKE IN VB LOL was the thing that was going to track IP addresses. You can tell the writers don't know what the hell they're talking about at all, and just use random words they find on the internet. XD

Who the hell uses VB anyway?!

They remind me of that gaming school ad:
"HOW'S THE GAME COMING GUYS!? =D"
*mashing buttons on 360 controller*
"DOING GREAT, JUST GOTTA TIGHTEN UP THE GRAPHICS ON LEVEL THREE, LOLOLOL!"

That one pissed me off too, hahah.

Anyway, back on topic now :P

haha I <3 that csi image