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Mushyrulez
January 8th, 2010, 01:55 am
Hopefully this will succeed...


A drawing a day would be too hard, but I'll try to post one as often as I can...


Unfortunately, I suck at drawing, having no experience as well as no specialized software and an old wheeled mouse.... so I'll start from scratch..


Note, this is not spam, even though it is at first (wait, that doesn't work :huh: )

So, this is the first one...

Program: MSPaint
Colours: Black
Tools: Pencil, Eraser (note, I didn't use any other tools... just pointnclick)


I'll add more things after I get better at this... and stuff... maybe... we'll see....


BTW Drew this on x6 resolution... so... eh... :heh:

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0001.gif

dun flme pl0x

HopelessComposer
January 8th, 2010, 02:44 am
Just wondering, but why aren't you drawing on paper? You're going to learn how to draw pretty slowly doing 100x100 pixel drawings in MS Paint. = \

Mushyrulez
January 8th, 2010, 02:55 am
I haz no scanner and no camera -_-

I do draw on paper, I just can't upload them.

HopelessComposer
January 9th, 2010, 01:15 am
I haz no scanner and no camera

I do draw on paper, I just can't upload them.
Ah, alright, hahah. XD
Still, if you're going to draw in MS-Paint, I'd recommend using color at least. I don't know if you'll be able to learn much form using a mouse compared to using a pencil, but you can definitely learn a lot about colors. =D

Mushyrulez
January 9th, 2010, 04:35 am
Ah, alright, hahah. XD
Still, if you're going to draw in MS-Paint, I'd recommend using color at least. I don't know if you'll be able to learn much form using a mouse compared to using a pencil, but you can definitely learn a lot about colors. =D

:O you guessed my mind :lol:


So right now, I'm experimenting with just black and white... much harder than shading it in with a pencil (which would be monochrome) DX

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0002.gif

At least it's not 100 x 100 pixels anymore...

Mushyrulez
January 10th, 2010, 04:51 am
MSPaint is braille up close -_-


If you're wondering why my lines suck, I'm still just using pencil...

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0003.gif

It sorta looks like a road thing... right?

RIGHT?!

M
January 10th, 2010, 05:57 am
To be honest, it looks like a dot matrix printoff of an amoeba (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/826/800pxwilson1900fig3.jpg).

Mushyrulez
January 10th, 2010, 11:38 pm
It actually does look like it -_-

Though don't pixels count as dot matrices (or the other way around)?

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0004.jpg


That thing's a rock.

Don't ask about what the rock is sitting on, because I have no idea.

Mushyrulez
January 13th, 2010, 12:15 am
Mondays and Tuesdays are bad days for me -_-


Will be adding more stuff to this...

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0005.jpg

Nyu001
January 13th, 2010, 12:31 am
I like that last one. You should work with the gray scale instead of just black and white. For have depth in your pixel works.

Mushyrulez
January 13th, 2010, 03:36 am
Yeah, I'll add that after I'm done a few more simple drawings like these.

EDIT: Next one done, what's at the end of the very bad pixellated line? That question and more will all be solved on Friday (there prolly won't be a pic tomorrow, I is busy)!

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0006.jpg

Mushyrulez
January 16th, 2010, 04:31 am
Sorry for double post, just realized forum editz =/= bump thread.

(The edit above was dated Wednesday, I did not make both today)

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0007.jpg




No picture tomorrow, way too busy. If you're wondering why no pic yesterday, it was because of an after-school examination. =/

RainingSilver64
January 16th, 2010, 05:25 pm
:/...You could get a pen tablet...

Mushyrulez
January 16th, 2010, 11:07 pm
I is broke.

Mushyrulez
January 17th, 2010, 11:52 pm
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0008.jpg


No pic tomorrow, either. From now on, there will never be a picture on Saturday or Monday -_-

Yes, I decided to use gray now :D

Mushyrulez
January 20th, 2010, 11:07 pm
This was yesterday's picture:


http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0009.jpg




Made it quickly, so no awesomeness or anything.

Mushyrulez
January 20th, 2010, 11:57 pm
And then this:
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0010.jpg




Will be making better stuff tomorrow...

those are the two pictures for today and yesterday.

Mushyrulez
January 22nd, 2010, 03:35 am
Just ignore this post.

HopelessComposer
January 22nd, 2010, 05:06 pm
I think you should draw bigger. You don't have much room to express yourself right now. All the textures you draw look exactly the same; your rat fur and grass are indistinguishable, and most of the stuff you draw is just covered in dots. Stipling is all fine and good when the drawing is bigger and you have room to make different textures with the dots. With canvases this small, all of your pictures are going to look the same.
Try 800x600 next time; I think you'll see a big difference.

Mushyrulez
January 23rd, 2010, 12:06 am
Alright HC, I'll try that next time.


http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0011.jpg

Nothing tomorrow or on Monday.

Nyu001
January 23rd, 2010, 12:36 am
I think the size of the image in post #18 is fine. To do something bigger would give more problems, taking in consideration he is using a mouse. The size of post #18 works fine for a good pixel piece. And there is room to make some elaborations in contrasts in a canvas like that. And is harder to go one pixel per one in bigger canvas, that would require more time.

Take a look here: http://www.natomic.com/hosted/marks/mpat/ there some nice things that can help. :>

Mushyrulez
January 23rd, 2010, 12:51 am
Thanks for the link, Nyu!

HopelessComposer
January 23rd, 2010, 04:40 am
I think the size of the image in post #18 is fine. To do something bigger would give more problems, taking in consideration he is using a mouse.
Really? That's weird, considering all of this was done with a mouse:
http://www.merekatcreations.com/

Anything you can draw on paper, you can draw with a mouse. It'll just take longer. There's no reason anyone should ever try doing a picture of a bunch of mountains and a river in 100x100 pixels. That's crazy. There's just no space to show anything. = \

Mushyrulez
January 23rd, 2010, 06:06 am
Unless that person doesn't have the time to do so ;)


However, I agree with you, and I'll try a larger-sized one to see how it feels. Chances are it won't be done anytime soon, but I promise it'll be awesomerlooking.

HopelessComposer
January 23rd, 2010, 07:12 am
Unless that person doesn't have the time to do so
If that person doesn't have time for drawing, then why are they drawing? ;)
There's always ways to make time, hahah. Instead of five 100x100 drawings, just do one big one. Or, don't watch TV for a day...or...don't sleep. XD

Looking forward to a nice, big drawing from you. =)
Wish I had that tutorial I wanted to show you...it might be helpful for your next drawing. Can't find it, though. Anyway, the point of the tutorial was "don't look for lines when you're drawing; look for 'value groups.'"

Basically, take a reference you want to draw (USE A REFERENCE! =P) And then map out the basic shapes of the picture on your paper. Then, decide on a light-dark scale of one to ten, and going by your reference, try to pick out all the basic light/dark shapes in it, and put them on paper......
Kind of hard to explain, for me. "Paint what you see, not what you think you see!" Don't try to make stuff up as you go along. Put down EXACTLY the shades you see in your reference, or as close as you can. It might help to start with black and white references, so you don't have to worry about color.

And yes, you need to start using different shades of gray. Two colors aren't going to teach you much, because nothing in real life is black or white.

Good luck! =D

Here's the generic tutorial the whole internet already knows about, since I can't find the other one. This one's pretty good, too, though it might try teaching too many things at once:
http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm#color_relativity

Nyu001
January 23rd, 2010, 02:12 pm
Really? That's weird, considering all of this was done with a mouse:
http://www.merekatcreations.com/

Anything you can draw on paper, you can draw with a mouse. It'll just take longer. There's no reason anyone should ever try doing a picture of a bunch of mountains and a river in 100x100 pixels. That's crazy. There's just no space to show anything. = \

The reason I said that is because I am focusing my comments in pixel art, no paints. I agree you can draw anything with a mouse in any size, I have done it. But when comes to pixel art, objects are just small, and small sizes are cool to work. If is a paint or line art, then those small size are uncomfortable. And the one I referred was not 100x100px.

It looks like we are talking to Mushy from two different thoughts in mind. You are referring to a more painting side whiles I am referring to pixelated pieces (Like the games one), that are usually not so big.

This are example of small pieces that show you can do something nice:

http://meganclare.deviantart.com/art/Pixel-art-Little-Jasmine-62540336
http://aminako.deviantart.com/art/Bayleef-Pixel-Art-62291571

And one done in bigger size:

http://fool.deviantart.com/art/iso-castle-75849130

HopelessComposer
January 24th, 2010, 12:43 am
No, I'm talking pixel art, too. Mushy's trying to draw giant scenes of mountains in such small spaces. If he was a more experienced artist, he might have a little more success pulling this off, but even good artists would have trouble with such small canvases coupled with such large subjects, I think. The castle you posted was like 1000x1000 pixels, so I don't know why you used that as an example. Castles are smaller than mountains, yet that castle picture is ten times bigger than the stuff Mushy is posting.

Nyu001
January 24th, 2010, 01:59 am
I thought you was referring to paints. I was showing two small pixel arts that are the common, and I felt to show the other side too.

Mushyrulez
January 24th, 2010, 04:13 am
Hahaha, those were only hillocks.


Anyways, do any of you know some sort of an uploading place that actually keeps your images, permanently, doesn't require a thumbnail image, accepts all file formats, and is free?


http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Mushyrulez/Picture%20of%20the%20Day/0012.jpg

HopelessComposer
January 24th, 2010, 04:47 am
Hahaha, those were only hillocks.
See? I couldn't tell. Maybe if you had a bit more room to work with.... ;P

Anyways, do any of you know some sort of an uploading place that actually keeps your images, permanently, doesn't require a thumbnail image, accepts all file formats, and is free?
Photobucket is pretty good...

I thought you was referring to paints. I was showing two small pixel arts that are the common, and I felt to show the other side too.
Yeah, and they were decent pixel arts (the castle was great), but I don't think anyone should *start* with such small pixel art. Drawing is hard enough without forcing yourself to work on such a ridiculously small canvas. XD

Mushyrulez
January 24th, 2010, 11:27 pm
JUST IGNORE THIS POST AGAIN -___-

HopelessComposer
January 25th, 2010, 03:13 am
@small size: I'm still sorta learningish, so I was trying to focus on the details of each picture, if it was too big at the beginning, I would undoubtedly lost interest and focus.
Suit yourself. I'm a little worried about your artistic future if drawing one decent sized drawing is too much work for you, though. = =;
Good luck, regardless.

Mushyrulez
January 25th, 2010, 04:48 am
Hahaha, I won't have any artistic future though...

HopelessComposer
January 26th, 2010, 03:33 am
Hahaha, I won't have any artistic future though...
You do as long as you keep drawing...
Practice piles up, no matter what. The kind of practice you're doing is going to pile up very slowly though. XP

Mushyrulez
January 26th, 2010, 03:49 am
Good thing is, I have tons of time (as in, tons of long-term time, but nearly no short-term time). Slow and steady wins the race, right (except it hardly applies here)?

Just a note, next pic = added line tool, so things are going to be much straighter than before.

Mushyrulez
January 26th, 2010, 11:35 pm
http://tinyurl.com/yhccegp


Still working on large image...!

Nyu001
January 27th, 2010, 12:39 am
I would not use white for the roof. There you can use 3 gray values, the brighter for the roof, a mid value for the right wall, and a darker gray for the front. Looks a bit out of proportion.

Mushyrulez
January 27th, 2010, 03:53 am
Haha, the sad thing is that I'm only working with 3 values, black (hue 160, luminosity 0), white (lum 240), and gray (lum 120). I tried to make it have a lot of contrast.... so... it didn't turn out as smooth.

As for the proportion, the horizon line is actually way above the image, so it seems extremely disoriented... -_- I'll release another one with a centered horizon line and somewhat smoother shading... tomorrow...

RainingSilver64
January 28th, 2010, 12:12 am
It's a building?

Mushyrulez
January 28th, 2010, 02:18 am
No, just a box to test out the line tool.

http://tinyurl.com/yg7gz52

Another line test. Still working on mega-uber-awesome-image...

Taemond
January 28th, 2010, 12:40 pm
The rope actually looks fairly good, nice shading. It actually looks textured lol. I'm curious as to what exactly you are doing for the "mega-uber-awesome-image":shifty: Will just have to wait and see......

Mushyrulez
January 29th, 2010, 04:38 am
Now that I look at it more closely (it isn't even close to finished), it isn't as mega-uber-awesome as I hoped it would be... but whatever...

http://tinyurl.com/yjnbspm


Personally, this didn't turn out well, at all... oh well...

HopelessComposer
January 29th, 2010, 04:51 am
How did it not turn out well? It's just a few random shapes! What did you mess up exactly!?
Still waiting for a drawing of an actual object.

Mushyrulez
January 29th, 2010, 11:32 pm
Hahaha, actual object won't be coming soon...

and the perspective looks weird, I'mma try changing it...

pixiepieberry
January 30th, 2010, 03:25 am
i see loads of progress, don't ever say you don't have an artistic future! your rope one is cool =)

Mushyrulez
January 30th, 2010, 03:26 am
Not progress, each one just took longer than the previous ;)

http://tinyurl.com/yz2nayq


Hopefully, I can release an actual picture on sunday, or maybe tuesday...

pixiepieberry
January 30th, 2010, 03:28 am
XD sheesh just deny it then.

RainingSilver64
February 1st, 2010, 01:59 am
XD Lolz, I think this drawing of the shapes looks much better than the previous one. And since Taemond posted in this thread, I'm going to bring it up. If you check out his drawings(edited), they look FRIGGIN' AMAZING. And he did it all with a mouse. Just a different program. Why don't you try out GIMP? (Download at www.gimp.com)

Mushyrulez
February 1st, 2010, 05:12 pm
GIMP is too complicated... and I must, say, holy crap those drawings are just too pro for me T_T

http://tinyurl.com/yjz5pol


Didn't turn out as good as I hoped it would... not the uber-image yet... D:

Nyu001
February 1st, 2010, 05:37 pm
What is that? 0_0

Mushyrulez
February 1st, 2010, 09:18 pm
Exactly, it was supposed to be a boat.

/was/.

M
February 2nd, 2010, 01:47 am
Exactly, it was supposed to be a boat.

/was/.

I see an obelisk. And I also see a Dihydron (3D shape with another 3D shape within it)

RainingSilver64
February 4th, 2010, 02:48 am
Well...after you said it *was* supposed to be a boat...I kind of saw a boat...XD At first glance, I thought it was the cross section of a pencil. Lolz.

And GIMP really isn't that hard to use...although it can be a bit difficult with a mouse...XD Why don't you pick up some pointers from Taemond?

HopelessComposer
February 4th, 2010, 07:45 pm
Exactly, it was supposed to be a boat.
If saw a boat right away, if it makes you feel any better. =)
Good effort. At least you're drawing actual objects now. You'll get better if you keep practicing, so just keep it up!

RainingSilver64
February 8th, 2010, 10:43 pm
:/...Idk, unless I a) have the object of which I am to draw in front of me or b) have a picture of the object of which I am to draw in a somewhat similar position to how I am going to draw it in front of me, I have trouble drawing objects. XD That doesn't seem to apply to people or clothing for the most part though.

HopelessComposer
February 9th, 2010, 04:12 am
:/...Idk, unless I a) have the object of which I am to draw in front of me or b) have a picture of the object of which I am to draw in a somewhat similar position to how I am going to draw it in front of me, I have trouble drawing objects.
Drawing with reference is better for you anyway. =D

That doesn't seem to apply to people or clothing for the most part though.
Blatant LIES. >=D

RainingSilver64
February 9th, 2010, 10:20 pm
o_o;; I thought I had the right to say what I can and cannot draw with or without reference!

XD

Mushyrulez
February 10th, 2010, 01:49 am
Oh yeah, sorry about the no updates... happens that I have two huge projects due this and next week, and so the next update will probably be on the 22nd...

HopelessComposer
February 10th, 2010, 06:37 am
o_o;; I thought I had the right to say what I can and cannot draw with or without reference!
You do, silly. And I have the right to call people out for lying!
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!~! >=D

I'm just playing, of course. Really, you could say *anybody* can or can't draw, since everybody has their own standards in regards to drawing. Some people could say their five year old kid can "basically draw people," while saying the Da Vinci couldn't draw for crap, hahah. All just personal opinions!
(In my opinion, neither of us can draw people without reference very well. XP
You might think we're both great though, in which case, thanks for the kind thoughts, hahah! =D )

Doesn't really matter how well you can draw anyway, though, as long as you're practicing!

pixiepieberry
February 17th, 2010, 06:31 am
i saw a boat with hay in it at first glance.

practice makes permanence <-- just remembered how one of my high school teachers kept repeating that.

Ander
February 17th, 2010, 06:54 pm
i saw a two-seater boat too... and i didn't see it any other way.

w.cain
February 23rd, 2010, 03:52 am
Your start is good but as passing the time you will improve your drawings. All the best.....