i think the DS is a totally crappy idea. the only good thing about the SP even was that it had a backlight and (sorta) rechargeable batteries. :P the PSP sounds kinda stupid also...im a loyalist to the reglar GBA and computer :D

What do you mean "sorta" rechargeable batteries. The SP was a worthwhile upgrade from the regular GBA and since it had no new hardware components then it didn't even segregate the GBA market. I think the DS is a good idea and for once Nintendo seems to be controlling the hype properly and working on its image. If the hype is anything to go by then the PSP has a long, hard battle ahead of it. It just has one lack-luster showing after another. Most recently the TGS showing was very disappointing. The DS shouldn't bug you wintermoon since nintendo is still fully supporting the GBA.

Bad News nintendo fans...

just saw the video from TGS2004 where it shows the psp. Well, the graphics certaintly look impressive which could cause nitendo to lose this battle, also the included anMP3 player along with ATRAC format due to popular deamand. Well, the good news is that the battery life is still not exactly great, and the price is rumored to be $290. However, customers may decide to pay even this much if sony starts advertising that psp is not only a portable console, but an mp3 palyer

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Duh!!! fans will get the system they like. But people who are new, who dont have a preference between DS and PSP will more likely get psp... especially if sony starts releasing dvds and music on UMD's. This also concerns people who have a hard time choosing between DS and PSP (like me)

I wouldn't be surprised if the PSP kind of failed, with its short battery life.

im hoping it does :) also the price could force it to lose, and probably the cost of games
sadly :( sony could devote more money to advertisement and boost psp rating... also, i think psp is more powerful than DS graphically, and if a professional gamer knows that graphics arent all, the layman wont understand and just buy psp and increases sonys power

While it is true that the graphics are better on the PSP that doesn't really mean much. Both Gamecube and Xbox are significantly technologically superior to the PS2 but they aren't winning the console war. While I prefer the DS from what I've seen on both systems because it's providing an experience other than just a portable console, I don't see why the handhelds can't co-exist.

The PSP isn't likely to cut deeply into the Gameboy's existing market, it's far more likely to expand the handheld market to all those people who avoid playing portable systems becuase of lackluster graphics or small screens. Likewise, the DS probably won't be taking away the Gameboy's thunder. It's also looking to expand the market by giving people an easy input option that doesn't require years of playing games to operate well. If both systems succeed at what they want to do then both will have an admirable user base and the portable market will be far larger. I don't really see the downside here.

Indeed, besides, I think the PSP is aimed at another kind of gamers. Just like the PS2, it's more a mutimedia device than just a gaming device. Nintendo purely focusses on creating an ultimate gaming experience and they aren't afraid of trying something new or different from what the others use.

Indeed. The PSP really isn't only aimed at gamers, but I much wider audience. I myself, will definetly be getting a psp in the future (when I see some good rpg's and fighting games coming out), but I'm not to big a fan of the DS, or Nintendo in general, not anymore atleast. I'm just hate how they just upgrade all there old characters and games for whatever system there putting out. I would care less if I never saw a Mario or Zelda game again.

and don't even get me started on the dual screens.... :bleh:

That's a matter of taste - Zelda and Mario are just icons for nintendo, their fans will kill them if they didn't make new games about them. Sony's not much better though, on the PSX you had one Crash Bandicoot game after another. A complete Mario rip-off, with the best example being Crash Team Racing. Completely ripped off from Mario cart. Good thing Naughty Dog stopped the production of these games, but Sony did want to make it an icon for the PSX like Mario is for Nintendo. Too bad for them they couldn't simply because it wasn't their own character. Actually, sony has no characters at all that they can call their own. Sony hardly produces games on its own, they are very dependant on 2nd and 3rd party devellopers, while Nintendo is a 1st party develloper and Sega used to be one. Sony just makes the hardware and leaves the rest to others - Nintendo also makes software, and they make good software. The funny thing about Nintendo's software is that, even though they use the same characters over and over again, and even the basic storyline often is the same as in previous games, they still make games that people enjoy playing. I think Nintendo games are among the best games ever made, especially the Mario games. I love them. I don't care if it's "save the princess from Bowser" all the time, I like the games, there are lots of secrets in them to find, and that's what I like. Even though the characters are always the same, the games definitely aren't.

*agrees*

Zelda games also rock!!! Sony is cheap, never even tried to make a good game: all they do is rely on jap. producers

I wouldn't say Sony is cheap, they just set their priorities differently, and that's towards creating hardware and not software.

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What makes his opinion suck ass? For pointing out his thoughts about Nintendo's game development, by re-creating old characters? There is no black and white.

If you don't know what I meant by that, you suck ass too. -_-

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What on earth are you rambling about? None of that made any sense of why his opinion would suck. Everyone is entitled an opinion. It can be critizised, but not bullied. >.>

I'm not saying they suck, I'm just sick of seeing them. sure, alot of people like playing Nintendo games and love the characters to death, but I don't. This is probably because I really only play RPG's and fighting games and the Gamecube doesn't have many of either. This is why I'v favored the ps and ps2 over the N64 and GC, because sony has a wide variety of RPG's and such on both systems. I don't lke platformers, I don't really like FPS, and I just don't like zelda, which is why I don't care about Mario, Metroid or Link. Nintendo should die. :)

Why exactly should Nintendo die? You state that many people love the characters and get joy from playing Nintendo's games. It just sounds ignorant and spiteful to say they should die just because they don't make the games that you prefer.

I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion but you should try to avoid being so hateful. It doesn't hurt to think about other people's perspectives.

That's weird though, because the PS2 was the most underpowered console out of the three main competitors. Why are they suddenly switching suit and making their handheld the most powerful??

By the time the PS came it it was the most powerful console - until the next one came out. They could have made it more powerful but that would have meant a delay.


Re-using old, well loved games characters in different games makes them crap?

Depends. Tomb Raider is an example of a series of games where they used the same character all the time. Tomb Raider was shit though, they never really added something new and TR5 was still using an updated TR1 engine. That's unacceptable. Nintendo always makes new games and tries to make every game a new experience for the gamer somehow.


I'm not saying they suck, I'm just sick of seeing them.

Then don't look.


sure, alot of people like playing Nintendo games and love the characters to death, but I don't.

Good for you.


This is probably because I really only play RPG's and fighting games and the Gamecube doesn't have many of either.

Wait, you say Nintendo sucks because they use the same characters all the time, but you like RPG's? In my opinion lots of RPG's are pretty simular to eachother (FF anyone?). Nintendo uses the same characters but uses different gameplay, Square uses simular gameplay with different characters. I don't know, it's kind of stupid to say one sucks and the other doesn't. Even more with fighting games, they are often so alike, just a bunch of new characters (or not) and we have Mortal Kombat 343252 and Tekken 7336. Besides, Fighting games also always re-use the same characters. Is there any MK game without Liu Kang?


I don't lke platformers, I don't really like FPS, and I just don't like zelda, which is why I don't care about Mario, Metroid or Link. Nintendo should die.

Then you should die too :) There are people here who don't like you, and since Nintendo should die just because you don't like them, you should die because people here or maybe elsewhere don't like you. Just using your logic, don't be offended please.

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The sad thing is this isn't even a console war thread. Hell, it wasn't even originally supposed to have anything to do with the PSP.

Then you should die too There are people here who don't like you, and since Nintendo should die just because you don't like them, you should die because people here or maybe elsewhere don't like you. Just using your logic, don't be offended please.

well now, thats a bit extreme, but if that's how you feel....


Why exactly should Nintendo die? You state that many people love the characters and get joy from playing Nintendo's games. It just sounds ignorant and spiteful to say they should die just because they don't make the games that you prefer.

I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion but you should try to avoid being so hateful. It doesn't hurt to think about other people's perspectives.


of course I think about others perspectives, which is why I said many people love Nintendo characters, but I don't. And please, don't take everything I say so seriously. Even if I do think Nintendo should die, I say it mostly in jest.....mostly...

Originally posted by Elite666@Oct 28 2004, 09:28 PM
The sad thing is this isn't even a console war thread. Hell, it wasn't even originally supposed to have anything to do with the PSP.
True. I'm gonna split posts.

i had thrown in the towel for the psp a couple months back.. after reading countless analysts completely bashing the psp..

but.........

the price is low ($180~ish) and the release date is kept(this year for japan)...

plus the battery life is satisfactory(4~7 hours??)...

i think gundam moves coming out on umd format is really going to boost sales too....

i just can't believe sony is actually sellling things at affordable prices for once....

mp3 player is a real plus...

n if they decide to let ppl write their own umd's later(mabe after the next gen hand held comes out)... this thing could sell.....

I must say that I'm amazed at the price of the PSP. The fact that Sony is willing to take such a huge loss on each unit shows that they're really serious about the portable market. My earlier ideas on the PSP stand and I'm still far more interested in the DS but I'm impressed with Sony.

indeed.. there's really no question about the ds..

the questions instead of psp vs ds should be: "is the psp 2004/05's ngage?"

wut was the starting price for the ngage anyway?

I think it was $299 but within a few weeks it was lowered to $199 because it had sold so little.

it was $299 without a service plan, with one it was $199.

I have to say that was the most hilarious launches I've ever seen (N-gage). I think it was poor avertising (sp?) and the fact that the GBA owned the market at that time.

ngage was just bad....

side talking....

switching games.......

bad controller..

piss poor games...

they skrewed up puzzle bobble...

how in the world can u skrew up puzzle bobble???

Originally posted by Mies@Oct 29 2004, 06:02 AM
it was $299 without a service plan, with one it was $199.

I have to say that was the most hilarious launches I've ever seen (N-gage). I think it was poor avertising (sp?) and the fact that the GBA owned the market at that time.
Actually, within two weeks of launch its price was down to $199 at most places and that didn't include a service plan. Although it was originally a Halloween promotion the price was never raised again at most stores and bundles began to be offered at the $199 price tag.

The intial price cut. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2003/10/24/news_6077311.html)

The follow up bundle. (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2003/11/14/news_6083629.html)

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While Microsoft took a significant hit on Xbox manufacturing it wasn't anywhere near what Sony is taking. Most analysts are estimating the real cost of the system between $400-$500 so at the every least Sony is eating $200 of the manufacturing cost. The most Microsoft ever took was $150.

When I first heard about the DS, I was rather dissapointed really. I'm a Nintendo loyalist, but from what I'd heard about the DS I wasn't going to buy it. I mean, how would you use a second screen? For a map? A status screen? I thought it was rather a waste of funcyionality, but then I saw the Nintendo DS concept ad. And its really good! It's got a pen thing so you can use the DS like a touch screen.
Plus, it was advertised by Utada Hikaru :)

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Enjoy. (http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=62c5e8ca-165e-4259-a391-844b3ca8cdab&page=home)

Apparently Nintendo learned of the power of sexual innuendo.

I was talking about the Japanese concept ad. You can see it at lovinghikki.com

Okay, then here (http://www.touch-ds.jp/fla.html) is the link to the very cool Japanese DS site where all the ads are located. It's also worth a look if you don't care about the ads.

good news for psp haters...

even though sony announced to launch it by the end of december in japan, a lot a analytics seriously doubt this. They argue that while it is slightly probable that psp will come out on time (only then the problem will be too few games), more likely it will come out much later. January probably, due to the rumors about hardware problems. Piper Jaffray & co. however sya that sony will be able to launch psp only in march, which will cause it to come out in usa in november 2005 (!). This might actually happen: sony's hardware problems seem to concern a very short battery life (some state only 90minutes of gameplay) and overheating. This is supported by the fact that now sony is asking all the companies currently working on games to 'ease up on the battery' so that it will use up as little as possible;for this reason special emulators were supplied which showed how much battery power a game used up. this further complicates the process of producing games, which are few already.

:) yay (i got this from my magazine if i find a link ill post it here)

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Originally posted by alone@Nov 5 2004, 12:40 PM
good news for psp haters...

even though sony announced to launch it by the end of december in japan, a lot a analytics seriously doubt this. They argue that while it is slightly probable that psp will come out on time (only then the problem will be too few games), more likely it will come out much later. January probably, due to the rumors about hardware problems. Piper Jaffray & co. however sya that sony will be able to launch psp only in march, which will cause it to come out in usa in november 2005 (!). This might actually happen: sony's hardware problems seem to concern a very short battery life (some state only 90minutes of gameplay) and overheating. This is supported by the fact that now sony is asking all the companies currently working on games to 'ease up on the battery' so that it will use up as little as possible;for this reason special emulators were supplied which showed how much battery power a game used up. this further complicates the process of producing games, which are few already.

:) yay (i got this from my magazine if i find a link ill post it here)
Why is that good news? And who would be lifeless enough to actually be a DS hater? Live and let live, you know?

well its just that i respect nintendo more since it actually makes games itself and it would be really messed up if such a company would be forced to leave the market because sony has a greater budget available, which wont happen if DS turns out to be a greater success that psp. This just shows that money isnt everything in the gaming industry

errm, I don't know why people say sony doesn't make it's own games. The Ratchet and Clank series, Jak series, Sly Cooper, Gran Turismo series, Mark of Kri, The Getaway, God of War, Killzone, ect.

Gran Tourismo is the only one of those they made. The others they only published.

actually grand turismo they dont make
it was liscenced to some jpaanese company to make it

and about the PSP and DS

in japan PSP is now $185 if you didnt know
and they have the great concept of extra batter packs... =_=
the life will run about 8 hours for music
and about 6 hours for games with no light or sound
and about 5 hours with light and sound
also movies can run for about 3 hours straight with full life

they aslo have a value pack for $225 and it comes with a case, extra batery pack, and head phones

personally i think DS is going to be better since nintendo already knows the handheld market so well

but yea PSP is going to appeal to people who never played handhelds since PS2 is newb central (dont spam me!~)

the PSP should launch by March in the US/Canada and i dont know anything about europe where i live... =_=

im still gunna buy both when i go to japan this christmas!~

While they don't make the new Gran Turismos (Polyphony Digital does) they made the original one. The price was already mentioned a page back and you can't really trust Sony on the battery life. Especially considering that they're asking developers to back up on the graphics so the system doesn't use as much battery power then I think it's a safe bet that battery life will be slightly less than projected. I also doubt it will launch on time but Sony may prove me wrong there.

yea that is true. and sony hasnt even released any launch titles. i dont think there will be games to launch with it :S

PSP launched... 200000 units on day one and right now theyre up to 1.1 million...

really interesting interview here

Interview, comments on psp (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/03/24/news_6121057.html)

actually i think psp is more worth it. It has more features, and such. The only thing that brought the grade down is its short battery life. But i have heard that there are some expansion packs that give it 6 extra hours o_o.

Define more features. If by more features you mean higher specs, you're right. If by more features you mean, well, more features, then you're wrong. Last I checked it didn't have touch screen, microphone, built in chat program or a second screen. However, if you mean by more features that it's the only system with a dysfunctional square button, then you're completely right.

or an average of two dead pixels per unit ^_^

i dont see the point of getting a psp now - sony trying to give it a 10 year life - if you wait a while they might just fix all the problems and maybe even adda few... and anyway, there are hardly any good games on both the platforms, so ill wait a bit

Originally posted by Alone@Mar 27 2005, 07:55 AM
or an average of two dead pixels per unit ^_^

i dont see the point of getting a psp now - sony trying to give it a 10 year life - if you wait a while they might just fix all the problems and maybe even adda few... and anyway, there are hardly any good games on both the platforms, so ill wait a bit
lol i had 2 dead pixels in my ds and one dead pixel in the lcd screen of the ds right when i opened it.....

To be fair to Sony, every lcd screen unit is likely to have a relatively high occurence of dead pixels. It's an inevitability that can't really be weeded out in quality control. All LCD screens have them: Monitors, TVs and portable game units are all bound to have dead pixels. It's really how the company handles replacement that matters.

what about the DS - it has 2 LCDs, right? but now complaints...

Note (http://ds.ign.com/articles/568/568084p1.html) the fact that the DS has had the problem as well.

Anyway, right now, I wouldn't be likely to pick up either system. Both have restricted libraries and haven't quite come into their own. However, the system I'm most likely to buy is going to be the DS. The first reason that comes to mind is the fact that the DS has real potential, it could actually bring back certain types of games I enjoy and invent new genres. The PSP has potential as well, the potential to increase the graphic quality of portable games while the battery life slips away to nothing. The problem with increasing graphics is that it either increases load time or the amount of loading done while in game, this equates to more reading of the media which means more spinning of a motor which ends up meaning shorter and shorter battery lifespans. Back to my original point, the potential of the DS, there's a few examples of this starting to appear but so far the only one that has shone is Yoshi's Touch and Go. The idea of a resurgence in arcade style games on portables is very appealing to me considering I have very little time overall and games I can play for short bursts and still enjoy are very appealing. Also, the DS has one game in my favourite genre confirmed and is the perfect system for it: the point and click adventure.

My second big reason for wanting the DS is that it has a far more promising future library. At the moment the PSP library is reasonably strong for a freshly launched system but there isn't really much that seems great coming out for it and its most of its currently released games aren't anything I would want to play on a console so I feel even less like playing it on a portable. The DS has great things like Touch! Kirby, Pac Pix, MP: Hunters, FF III, advance wars DS, Nintendogs, Another Code, Xenosaga DS, Baten Kaitos DS, Animal Crossing DS, Electroplankton and Castlevania DS all coming up this year.

There are other reasons I'm not going to pick up a PSP like excessive cost in the unit, games and accessories and the fact that I really don't find the design of the unit all that appealing but my main reason is the games.

I started thinking about the necessity of psp function as the ''media player of the 21 century''

1. games - no argument there
2. music [mp3] - how many songs can a 32mb memory card hold - not much. I think its much better to get an mp3 player
3. movie playback [umd] - hmm, movies. cool. but wait - 4 hours battery life - while watching a movie on the road itll be capable of 2 hours maybe, so basically on the move you will be able to watch 1 movie. At home, i doubt youll watch movies on your psp, not with a dvd player or a computer around
4. photos [] - same a music, you wont be able to carry many of them around [along with saved games and music]. And anyway, theres not really much point in them

until psp gets a HD disk and a longer battery life, most of these functions are useless

Portable systems shouldn't have moving disks like a HD in the first place; those things eat all the power. A flash card or something like that would be much better because those don't move and thus use less power.

Also, who'd watch a film on a tiny screen like that of the PSP anyway?

i also bought the ds for one other reason, to wait until shounen jump all stars come out to us. (which will be like 2 years >.>)

well, its not really tiny - after all, people watch movies on a Portable PC (what are they called)

I once read an article that one of the reasons why the DS was perfect for Adventure games was that there are many times when you have to make notes (write down paswords, usefull hints). With the DS touchscreen, you can write note while listening to the conversation on the top screen *nods nods*

I heard that out of all the modern technology, the least progress was made in the Battery Capacity improvement


EDIT@: A bit off topic but still....
Ouch (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/03/28/news_6121137.html)

poor Sony

Well nintendo have the experience with hand held stuff so i don't think sony would be able to cope with it. The wireless connection is a plus for the DS and the touch screen is actually fun to use on some innovative games that utilise it to its full potential. Havn't heard too much on the PSP so I can't judge it fairly but PSP might just appeal to adults more.

I don't have either system but I've seen both. I'm for DS. Long live Nintendo! Sony is just trying to wow people with there DVD player and internet and what not. But I for one don't buy GAME systems to watch a DVDs. This whole DVD player thing isn't that impressive. They have a very small selection and when I want to see a movie I going to buy it for a regular DVD player. And I'm not going to spend good money on a copy. The whole spinning disk thing is a pointless novelty. I'd rather have a cartridge any day! There easier to take care of, they don't scratch, they live much longer! With a short battery life the PSP destroys the point of having a handheld. One of the biggest uses of a handheld is to enjoy many hours of fun when in the car for hours or another place that requires much waiting.
now some reasons why I dislike the DS: I do like the dual screen thing but I think they went a little overboard with it! It seems like every game revolves around it! And how can you use the stylist in the car! I don't like the fold out screen at all! I like how GBA and PSP are set up. The buttons are too small on the DS.

In conclusion, the DS might not prevail over the PSP since so many people want one so even if this battle is lost, within ten years Nintendo will have made something better! Within ten years the PSP will die!

Amen brother!

The DS was a good idea, but they need some better games. I suggest super smash brothers ds

When Nintendo cant think of any good game ideas, the best thing to do.....is whine at them about it.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/SSBDS

btw, one more point for psp: 1.8GB and 512MB is a big difference *troubled*

Originally posted by Alone@Apr 3 2005, 04:05 PM
btw, one more point for psp: 1.8GB and 512MB is a big difference *troubled*
You mean the size of the medium they use? I'm not worrying here, Sony may have more but this is also the case with the PS2 (DVD) and the Nintendo Gamecube (Mini-DVD).

Big cartridges/ CD's are mainly for storing FMV, on a small system like the PSP and DS you can save a lot of space by using low-res textures (you won't see see the difference on such a small screen anyway) and maybe even lower quality sound (like a form of Midi instead of digital audio for music) to save space on a cartridge. Sony missed the point that mobile gaming isn't mainly about GFX and blasting sound, it's about the fun. Better graphics and sound take longer to load, which is the biggest no-no on a handheld.

but the perpouse for handhelds if to use up un needed time like on long trips...loading is a pain when at arcade or in your home, but on a car ride, youll probably fall asleap, which is goos, concirering if you stare down when moving faster then you can run, you get motion sickness, but still, the ds isnt as good as the psp in my opionin, the ds has the dule screen thats toutch sensative.....big nono on car rides, especialy if its not a smooth ride too! the psp is more for hardcore gamers and is more technaly advance in every way, memory, grafics, built in hoo-haa, ect and is way more stilish, cuz the ds has the flip creen, which can beark off or become loose easly..which can realy suck

i think the DS's feature of pictochat is awesome - really cool (too bad it wont work here, everyone's a PC fan)

Generally i thought that a larger capacity would allow you to create a better game (a longer one -> deeper storyline, maybe even have actors sound all the characters, and better graphics. But until the psp gets a new battery, its useless...

btw, Sony remarked that they wanted the PSP to be on the market for 10 years. I think theyre not being exactly truthfull - in an interview some guy remarked that Playstation is on the market for 10 years (PS1 and PS2). I think Sony might do that again - after 5 years release a PSP2 :think:

oh, one other thing: people on various forums expect the price to drop after this year ends (which is not surprising since it always happens). However, keep in mind that right now every psp console is making Sony lose money, and the only way it will be profitable is after a couple of years (this assumes that the price will remain constant). So my guess is that Sony will only lower its price if the price of components fall, and that may not necessarily be soon

^this is all speculation

A PSP is cool for this reason: PSP is made by sony and has good capabilitys. Which means Sony with there evergrowing army of companies can design many great RPGs. Yes RPGs, just think of how you normally play one on your console; not thinking of the outside world at all. It's just you and that game for hours. Wait a tick! PSP only lives for about four hours!! that's horrable for an RPG!! The whole point of a handheld is to kill time when your in a place of waiting. Battery life is a huge deal!!
Super Smash Brothers would be a great game! If they do it I just hope they don't put in some kinda deal with the touch screen! The DS should have had only one screen. the lap top thing is stupid! They should have had one nice big screen that is also a touch screen. THey should have had a cleaner on the touch screen too. I don't know how to explain it but if you've seen the movie Hero, It would be a windsheild wiper like thing that's at the part where the guy writes in the sand and then she sweeps it away with that stick. ANother thing is the stylist... maybe they should have put a string on it to connect it to the DS; everybody loses that stuff.
THey'll have a PSP2 before 10 years is up; companies are always wrong about that stuff...

Originally posted by piano_master@Apr 3 2005, 07:24 PM
but the perpouse for handhelds if to use up un needed time like on long trips...loading is a pain when at arcade or in your home, but on a car ride, youll probably fall asleap, which is goos, concirering if you stare down when moving faster then you can run, you get motion sickness, but still, the ds isnt as good as the psp in my opionin, the ds has the dule screen thats toutch sensative.....big nono on car rides, especialy if its not a smooth ride too! the psp is more for hardcore gamers and is more technaly advance in every way, memory, grafics, built in hoo-haa, ect and is way more stilish, cuz the ds has the flip creen, which can beark off or become loose easly..which can realy suck
wow, next time please dont type like that X_X.

First PSP isnt that all great. Sure you get Videos and Music to store, but most video clips (naruto based) are on average 170 MB per ep. And on a 1 gb that will be less than 8 eps to store. The music is no problem, but the batterly life sucks miserably. Max uptime will be 4 hours. The loading time for the games will also crunch that time to a smaller gameplay time. And when the batteries runs out, what do you do? You have to charge it. What happens if there's no power and your stuck in a car or a bus without a plug?


A PSP is cool for this reason: PSP is made by sony and has good capabilitys. Which means Sony with there evergrowing army of companies can design many great RPGs. Yes RPGs, just think of how you normally play one on your console; not thinking of the outside world at all. It's just you and that game for hours. Wait a tick! PSP only lives for about four hours!! that's horrable for an RPG!! The whole point of a handheld is to kill time when your in a place of waiting. Battery life is a huge deal!!
Super Smash Brothers would be a great game! If they do it I just hope they don't put in some kinda deal with the touch screen! The DS should have had only one screen. the lap top thing is stupid! They should have had one nice big screen that is also a touch screen. THey should have had a cleaner on the touch screen too. I don't know how to explain it but if you've seen the movie Hero, It would be a windsheild wiper like thing that's at the part where the guy writes in the sand and then she sweeps it away with that stick. ANother thing is the stylist... maybe they should have put a string on it to connect it to the DS; everybody loses that stuff.
THey'll have a PSP2 before 10 years is up; companies are always wrong about that stuff...

Sure sony is a good company. But about the super smash bros, i dont think they will make it that complicated with the touch screen, since you can already play it normally without it. (I play super mario 64 DS without touch screen fine). ALso the lap top thing isnt that stupid. Sometimes you might have to write down stuff that is needed for a quest or password. Thats when the touch screen comes in handy. Also there's a picto chat, and you know how it works there. Touch screen would be more enchanced in the upcoming games. Also one big touch screen only? That makes a DS worse.
Remember touch screens can be more easily damaged than LCD's. Bigger in this case ISNT better.
And about the cleaner, just clean the touchscreen with a damp cloth, and wipe it VERY lightly. You dont need any windshield cleaners for that. And for the stylus, there's a slot in the back where you can put it in. having a string attached to it will make it annoying and hard to use. Remember it is also YOUR responsibility if you acciddently lose your stylus, not nintendo's.

First PSP isnt that all great. Sure you get Videos and Music to store, but most video clips (naruto based) are on average 170 MB per ep. And on a 1 gb that will be less than 8 eps to store. The music is no problem, but the batterly life sucks miserably. Max uptime will be 4 hours.

Heard of Ridge Racer? To the best of my (admittedly limited) knowledge, it is currently the game out on the market that uses the PSP's capabilities the most, and has the CD spinning (i.e. reads from the CD) almost constantly to begin with. (I've no idea why, tell me if you know the reason behind this. Anyone on the development team around?) RR is the only game that drains the battery as fast as six hours maximum, others don't. Not to mention that games and movies saved on the flash cart drain the battery much less than a GBA drains it's battery.

By the by, I don't think that most people bought their PSP's for video playback.

Aaaaand last I checked a laptop or a portable DVD player does not fit very well in most pockets. (Sure, there might be someone around wearing trousers that one can stuff a large pizza into and not notice - but I doubt that these people - er, trouser pockets - are the majority)

Lastly - exactly how many of us will play a handheld console for more than six hours without taking a break? Sony has plans for a device that will raise the PSP to 25-26 hours. Food for thought?

That said, I got the DS. =P Just for one upcoming RPG that might (not guaranteed! T_T) have something to do with another game that had a similiar name on the SNES (ages ago!). Ah, I was once young . . .


However, if you mean by more features that it's the only system with a dysfunctional square button, then you're completely right.
The square button was a problem with 0.06% of all sold 580.000 units in Japan. Sony replaces systems with that problem for free. That issue has too much gas in it.

No, the square button problem is with all units because it was an actual design choice. It comes from the sensor being slightly offset from the button because the screen is too big to fit everythingin properly. The statistics you mention are far more likely to refer to the dead pixel problem (although that number is too low for that problem).

The statistics I mentioned were incorrect - it's supposed to be 0.6%. Apologies, apologies.

The flaw in the manufacturing process has been resolved, according to Sony. And according to Playstation.jp's support section, the molding of the casing was the problem.

It was a design choice, yes, but I have yet to come across anyone complaining of the reduction in responsitivity due to the design architecture. I would guess that the infamous "square button problem" that we all know is not due to the reduction of responsitivity, for, as acknowledged by Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi and as pointed out by Elite666, is a problem with all units due to the design specifications. Or rather, the reduction of responsitivity may have been more severe than previously estimated due to the flawed manufacturing process. Since Sony has offered to fix (or switch? - Unconfirmed) all such faulty units for free, and the manufacturing process has been revised, I'd guess we have our bases covered.

Anyone still unhappy with their PSP square buttons? I won't mind to buy it off you. For a reduced price, of course. =P

i think the psp is awesome

um, guys, have your heard the rumor that PSP CPU is underlocked?

well, anyway read it here:

Consoul (http://consoul.blogspot.com/2005/04/unlocking-psps-future.html)

lets see, if this is true, then Sony's dream about making it a 10 year console just could work. In five years it removes the limit, and even if Nintendo has a new awesome power GameBoy, the psp wont be that far behind :think:

by the way: sony - 1.8 Gigabyte; DS - 1 Gigabit (8bit=1byte), so the psp can hold about 14 times as much as the DS *troubled* Out of those 14, even if a lot is used on the graphics, the other memory can certaintly be used for things that the DS would lack (vocal support?)

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Harv, just how many people share your tastes completely?

While the DS people are waiting, the PSP peopple are already playing great titles NOW. Lumines, MGS, Dynasty Warriors, Tony Hawks - kinda makes me wish I got a PSP instead. Ridge Racer an underpowered PS2 clone? Hmm, now that's an odd one. Lemme check out the game and I'll get back to you.

PSP all they way
Ds ahs two screens and i say so wat?
It has poor graphics andtouching is bothersome and annoying. I usually see people using pens instead of their fingers
I say its like a gameboy advance with 2 screens but with better graphics
PSP
can hols music, videos, and photos. Expensive yes but i say its worth it and has better graphics than the ps2 which is also a big plus

I think DS inches ahead of hte PSP in the actual games section. I think PSP needs an amzing game on its PSP to come out.
Next Chrono TRigger or a remake of it (thatwould be the greatest thing ever and id spend 100 bucks for it, a new final fantasy, or w.e

Dynasty Warriors is not a good game - its been getting 6/10 in most magazines; you have to agree with Harv, while PSP has a lot of racing games (RR looks good, NFSUR - probably sucks), they're not that hard to make - no story, no nothing - just good graphics. Tony Hawks? - a port. Lumines - only original games...

DS - similar situation, only it has Meteos as its puzzle game, and instead of RR it has pretty good inovative games like Warioware and Feel the Magic, along with Mario 64, which cannot really be considered a port - too many new things...

Dynasty Warrior is not a good game? Well, I'm always quite fond of brainless button mashers once in a blue moon. Please tell me that you've played it, and your opinion does not stem from reading magazines.

The racing games might not be hard to make, but that is not the point. The point is: are the games good, and does the DS/PSP have them? DS: no(t yet?). PSP: yes.

Tony Hawk, a port - but why would you get it if you already have it? Is that not the purpose of ports - so that people can play games without buying different systems? Aren't ports (supposed) a good thing? Why do people keep complaining about ports/hate ports/want to kill port-makers?

Lumines - it's not original, so it doesn't count? Well, if a game was original, but if it wasn't fun, would it count? To me (and a few others that I know), Lumines is not fun. Not at all. It is addictive. And it is ruining our lives. Maybe we could hold Lumines Anonymous or something. Yeah, it's that good. Initially we thought that it was just something like Dynasty Warrior - something to fill time until something good comes along, but . . . anyway.

Warioware - Innovative, yes. Answer your own question: is it hard to make? Well, it doesn't truly matter if it's fun, is it? I confess I like it, but it's something like Minesweeper and them Windows games - again, something to fill time.

Feel the Magic - again, I'll say that it is innnovative. And does it make it fun? Well, for awhile. Actually, for a day (for me T_T). And it's not that hard to make, is it? Another time-filler, but I kinda wish that I could get my DS RPG game (title secret!) instead of more time-fillers.

Mario 64 (for DS) - I like this game. Well, I don't particularly care if it is a port or not, (I've got the N64 Mario 64, but I still got this game. Kinda like buying the same Megaman game on PS and Saturn just for novelty value)
but let's face it: it's not hard to make (XD; okay, I'll drop it). The add-ons and stuff are good, too - but is it just me, or does the camera still goes wonky (N64 flashback) on me? Ah well, that seems like a nearly unavoidable problem nowadays.

But one thing I'm afraid I have to say: at the moment, my GBA is still very indispensable. C'mon, DS and PSP developers! We want more!

Originally posted by Harv@Apr 19 2005, 09:02 PM
There is one thing I have to ask about the PSP's current, and upcoming, games selection: Are there any quality games in the line-up? Think about it seriously. Are there? Ridge Racer you say? It's just an underpowered PS2 clone, why would I want that? Decent puzzlers? Not any decent ones that I can think of so far. Platformers? Not that I've seen. First person shooters? Nope!

Really, at this moment in time, there's no point in getting a PSP, unless of course you want a really chunky MP3 player, or (I guess) fairly small movie player (although I'd much rather just get a GBA/DS mp3/movie player adapter (http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=246&products_id=3983#Product_features)). I've seen a PSP, played on one, and have been more than a little unimpressed by it. It's like the average supermodel: looks good (with a little air brushing), but there's no real substance.
GBA is just a mini-SNES so I don't really get your argument against the PSP :mellow:

@Cloudscyth: Your English is totally horrible.

Lumines is beyond decent, it's godlike. It's my favorite psp game at the moment.

Untold legends is also pretty slick in small doses.

Nintendogs increases DS sales by 500% in Japan, and it received a 40/40 rating from Weekly Famitsu!!! awesome...

Yeah. Nintendogs looks pretty promising. I can just picture wasting alot of time on that XD

I'm sticking with my DS!

DS pwns all, PSP = teh crap

Indeed, besides, I think the PSP is aimed at another kind of gamers. Just like the PS2, it's more a mutimedia device than just a gaming device. Nintendo purely focusses on creating an ultimate gaming experience and they aren't afraid of trying something new or different from what the others use.

incorect about the ps2. the ps2 used dvd disk (duh, and same with the Xbox). it would of been a wast to use a dvd drive and not let it be used for regular dvds. its a big wast because its stupid not to do that, thats why the xbox has a dvd drive and capabilities too. the gamecube cant because it dosent use dvds so ha!

You could also say they used the regular DVD format because they wanted to add DVD functionality.

And the gamecube does use DVD's, they're just a tad smaller. There is a version of the Gamecube that can play regular DVD's (I think it's created by Pioneer, but I'm not totally sure about that.)

Has anyone heard of that game 'Band Brothers' or 'Jam with the Band'?
it looks realy good

this is sorta off topic but its.......well yeah......My little brother has a a friend how hates his ds. i have a sp. he wants a sp. he might trade it for my sp. his ds is scratched up but still works. im taking advantage of the little ones. so should i trade my sp for his scratched (very scratched, part of the bottem is like what... very deep scratch, but not that deep, just deep) ds? i might but its well, not in mint like my sp ( i take care of all my electronics like its a baby(i sewed a case before i even opened my sp...it too me a long time because i have to make it perfect...3 hours of re-threading)

Originally posted by Carnival@May 5 2005, 11:33 AM
Has anyone heard of that game 'Band Brothers' or 'Jam with the Band'?
it looks realy good
Yeah. I have. There was a video demo floating around a while ago, where a group of Japanese people playing the first opening theme song to Fullmetal Alchemist in real time using it. XD It's great. You'll definetly find the link somewhere (Google it, or even, do an Ichigo's search for it. I originally saw it here, somewhere in Light-hearted chat)

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How well does the GBA movie adapter actually work?

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GBA/SP movie adapter review (http://www.success-hk.com/review/gba_movie_player/).

Anyone with anymore reviews? *goes off hunting for more reviews*

Hey check this - the only other games to receive a 40/40 rating from Weekly Famitsu are The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, Vagrant Story, and Soul Calibur - looks like the Japanese are big Nintendo fans :D

(in case you didnt know, Famitsu ratings are said to be the most obejective, since each game gets reviewed by 4 different people, and gets 4 different scores. The catch is that, unlike in other Video Game Magazines, the reviewers dont know the score that was awarded by the other 3... The maximum score a person can give a game is 10/10, so a game can recieve 40/40 max)

oh... the gba movie player is good. go to Lik-Sangs fourms (click here) (http://forum.lik-sang.com/) to find out more. Lik-sang is almost the only place you can get it in the usa..........or any where. im thinking about getting it but it will cost about $100 Usa for all the things you need.

Aaaaaaaand PSP gets it share of non-official "add-ons".

Gameboy emulator for PSP.

http://www.hellogamer.com/2005/05/10/gameb...leased-for-psp/ (http://www.hellogamer.com/2005/05/10/gameboy-emulator-released-for-psp/)

PSP hacks roundup.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000720038308/

Wow, that awesome! and pretty fast... just hope they fix the sound problem

I have a DS now! but i would rather have a psp. but i like the ds. i trasded it with some one for my GBA sp! haha, he got riped off!

oh, and if you look at the gameboy emulator, you can see that the image is ity-bity. on a ds its any a cm off from the edge of the real screen. see, that a big pixle diffrence! psp has way more then the ds!

The ds has games, but no all too good ones. they are more spin off gams and games brought back from the dead... :boo: !im a game ghost! :boo: ... I want to see a sim city game for the ds, or a sim, but not THE sims, those really suck imo.

oh and what i want too see is a media player for the ds and ds alone made by nintendo. that would rock! it can use flash cards and you plug the reader into the GBA port and the card (if there is one in the same size as the ds games) in the ds port. that would be just as good as a psp other then the movie quality wouldnt be as good because the pixles arnt as small! but it would bee fine because the GBA media player was sorta clear when watching movies and the ds pixles are 3 times smaller so it would be near perfect!!muhahahahaha!

I believe that both are equal. I believe the games on DS are great! And the games on the PSP are just crap except for a couple, but it's nice that you can have an internetbrowser and mp3's and pictures ect...

I'm just waiting for the Final Fantasy games and Shounen Jump all stars to come to america. (Which Ihighly doubt for the sounen jump)

I believe that both are equal. I believe the games on DS are great! And the games on the PSP are just crap except for a couple, but it's nice that you can have an internetbrowser and mp3's and pictures ect...

Just get a Vugo if you want to do that. Don't buy a PSP for mp3's and pictures.

Then what is the point of getting a PSP?

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DS is better then the PSP when it comes to games. Come on, Animal Crossing just came out for it!

Games wise... the DS is the obvious winner.

But the PSP has many other functions than the DS, one being a new RSS channel system that just came out.

I actually have both, and i believe that the two systems are so different that they are uncomparable.

oh and btw... Radical_Dreamer, what's your Animal Crossing info? I need different fishes from different towns!

Doesn't the PSP sometimes lauch its discs? Anyway...

The DS has Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Nintendogs, and Pokemon (eventually). No competition for me.

It wont launch its disk unless you press on the case. And my DS almost launched that karts all the time, and its becuase of my abnormaly large hands pressing on the kart X_X

Also, I cant use NWC. My router is crapped up. I can get the new firmware that alows DS compadability, but everytime we load it up our server connection dissapears untill we reset the whole router, thus deleating the firmware...

Both are terrible. The PSP has no durablity what-so-ever, drop and once, and thats 400$ you just lost. :( The DS doesn't break easy but the games aren't OMFG GEWD GRAFEIX! XD They both have their ups and downs, but I'd rather just stick with game boy. >_<

The gameboy's graphics are quite a bit worse than those of the DS, you know.

The DS doesn't break easy but the games aren't OMFG GEWD GRAFEIX! XD They both have their ups and downs, but I'd rather just stick with game boy. >_<
Come on, the gfx on the DS aren't that bad, idiot. DS all the way for me, i've used it way more than my PSP. People seem to be buying the PSP because of the awesome graphics and the other feautures it has....they seem to be forgetting that it's a handheld and not a fucking mobile DVD player. The DS doesn't need all of that and it's still beating the PSP.

The PSP game list hasn't grabbed my attention, sure it'll have some decent games, I aint denying that, but Nintendo rules and will forever rule the handheld market with quality games, not all of the fancy features.

Nintendo also provides their customers with quality hardware...unlike Sony.

Come on, the gfx on the DS aren't that bad, idiot. DS all the way for me, i've used it way more than my PSP. People seem to be buying the PSP because of the awesome graphics and the other feautures it has....they seem to be forgetting that it's a handheld and not a fucking mobile DVD player. The DS doesn't need all of that and it's still beating the PSP.

The PSP game list hasn't grabbed my attention, sure it'll have some decent games, I aint denying that, but Nintendo rules and will forever rule the handheld market with quality games, not all of the fancy features.

Nintendo also provides their customers with quality hardware...unlike Sony.
why am I an idiot? ._. I was stating, that the PSP had better graphics, and actually, I love the graphics in DS there all you need for a handheld. I am pro DS incase you don't know. I'm just saying, BOTH systems weren't as good as they could have been.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
You just sounded like you were attacking Nintendo there, that's all. And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings:P

I'm bashing both companys if you think about it. =/

Good Ol' Gameboy for life. B)

Oh boy, we have a "Graficks Mke a Gam3" person now...

Personaly....Wait! Its not personal because Gamefaqs polls show that more people want a DS then a PSP, more people own a DS then PSP and more people like the DS then PSP.

Why? Because its not the graphics or features that sell a system, its the game. did the Atari LYnx out sell the original Gameboy? No. Yet it could have a 17 multiplayer get-together, be played by left handers by a flip of the system and had better graphics.

While the GB had these : Tetris.

SO HA!

Both are terrible. The PSP has no durablity what-so-ever, drop and once, and thats 400$ you just lost. :( The DS doesn't break easy but the games aren't OMFG GEWD GRAFEIX! XD They both have their ups and downs, but I'd rather just stick with game boy. >_<

you spend $400 on a psp? You sure got ripped off! It only costs around 250 dollars or more. I saw a bunch of them being sold in some game stores.

Well, it might be up there if you get a bundle; remember, you have to buy memory cards, games, etc.

Dont add games to your price list, since you can always buy another psp instead of throwing away your games or giving them away. ABou tht ememory card, I thought psp comes with one memory card, or else how will you even save? -_-

Its a very small memory card.

OH! And another thing I dont like about the PSP and Sony. They allways have to make their own brand name products that only use their own products with it. You know Sony, you could be nice for a change and use CF or SD cards for the PSP, its a lot cheeper and more common ._.

i think both systems are fine,they have their equal amount of pros and cons....when one system has a downside,so does the other one.

i think both systems are fine,they have their equal amount of pros and cons....when one system has a downside,so does the other one.
Great insight.

I prefer the DS. Better games, more innovation. That online Mario Kart looks good.

This has been out for a while now, but DS now has a rumble Pak avalible. Most of the new games will feature compatibility with this. It is a DS Option Pak that will plug in to the system's onboard GBA slot. I haven't personally tried it yet, but it should be okay.

I got both. :>

EDIT: possible repost?

Which do you like more? *cough DS cough*

Depends. As much as I dispise Sony and their terrible habit of not giving a damn about their customers, I like the PSP....with 1.5 FW and a 1GB memory stick. I'd prefer homebrew over the DS any day.

If it wheren't for the homebrew, then god they both suck.

At first I had wanted a PSP, but now I agree with pro-DS people. I think that the DS is better because it has more good games then the PSP.

I'd prefer homebrew over the DS any day.
Ugh, homebrew. > <