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Anime on Tuba
April 24th, 2010, 11:49 pm
Hello, [ Insert Username Here ]!

I've been hoping to work on a medley for quite some time until now, and I've come to a bit of a standstill... but first here's the medley and the song list...

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Go my Way!!
Watashi ni Deikuru Koto
Hampsterdance
Princess Bride!
Motekke, Sailor Fuku!
The Game of Love
Love & Joy
Necrofantasia
Beethoveen Virus
Speed over Beethoveen
Battle with Gilgamesh
Hinarin's Relation of Misfortune
No Life Queen
Bad Apple!!
Hitohira no Hanabira
Love Ghost Ensemble
Uninstall
Draw the Line

That was the current list, songs I want to add are...

Dramatic
Gravity
Duvet
God knows...
Dearly Beloved
Kairo
Airman ga Taosenai
My Love is a Stapler
Fixed Mind
Ni Ne De Ge Resetto!
Cherish
Lillium
Ghost Hunt ED
Fear Garden
Suwa Foughten Field
Marisa Stole the Precious Thing
Invisble Full Moon
Homework Never Ends! ( By Innocent Key! )
Let's Go Omynjii!
Princess Bride! ( Again! )
Higurashi Daybreak OP
Haruhi-Chan OP1
World is Mine
Dam Dadi Do
Cinderella Romance
Caipirinha
Caramelldansen
Lost my Music
smooch
Kaze no Doukei
Greed's Accident
Sousei no Aquarion
Lillicure, go, GO!
Makka na Chikai
Air on the G String
Under my Skin
Hammer Melody
Miracle Encore
Cirno's Freezing Pack of Palpitation!
Hishoku no Sora
The Brilliant Star Rocket
Don't say Lazy

And this is the end...

Yuuchou Sentai Dajare Ranger
Go my Way!!
Hare Hare Yukai
Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru
Danjo
The Regular
Haruhi Chan OP
Kero 9 Destiny!
Little Busters!
Karashite Knee Socks!
Melt
Hanamaru Sensation!
Help me, ERINNN!!!!
Ponyo
Nihon no Mikata
Ni Ne De Ge Resetto!
Yuki vs Iji
Greed's Accident
Star Rise
Don't Say Lazy
You are the Prince of Tennis
Double Lariat
Dango Daikazoku
Futari no Mojipettan
Cartoon Heroes
Tsurupettan
Servant of Evil
Vermillion
Cherish

And the Sakura, Sakura or Reach out to the Truth will be...

Tomare!

Now, I'm posting for some suggestions of songs to use, songs to substitute, songs to remove from the list, input, and to find out, what do they use to make the unedited versions of the Kumikyokus?

Thanks in advance for your help!

brncao
April 25th, 2010, 02:16 am
What genre? Will it be a mash-up of songs or will it be a fully composed medley? If you plan on making a medley as good as the nico nico douga kumikyokus, but you can't transcribe, have no music theory, and have to ask requests for sheet music; stop! I hate to say this, but don't bother doing it or it will fail hard. It's like taking calculus without algebra. When doing something like this, you have to be independent 95% of the time (5% is for technical help).


Now, I'm posting for some suggestions of songs to use, songs to substitute, songs to remove from the list, input, and to find out,

I can't help you with the suggestions because it's too vague, and nobody will bother. When asking for suggestions, ask them what song will sound great after "song A." Give them the link (youtube or mp3) and the times. You'll be able to get help faster this way. But even if you do do that, it still is very little. You're pretty much on your own as stated above. All I can say is listen to a lot of music and write stuff down on a notepad or something to keep track of songs that sound similar. Play it out on a piano to make sure it transitions without sounding too abrupt. Buy a piano if you dont have a piano or sequence it into a music application.


what do they use to make the unedited versions of the Kumikyokus?

DAW and probably stuff you find in a music studio. Plus knowledge in music theory. If you've never worked with DAW (Cubase, FL Studio, Sonar, Pro Tools, Logic, etc.) then there'll be quite a learning curve for a beginner. If you don't have any music theory, learn that first. If you want to make dance music, synth programming helps. If you want to make dance music, but don't know how, begin by studying the works of others. Ask for help on how to achieve a certain sound.

Solaphar
April 26th, 2010, 12:32 am
I agree with almost everything the above poster said, except this:

Buy a piano if you dont have a piano

Ah, if only we were all so rich...


In all seriousness though, before you just run out and start throwing money around, I suggest you start by grabbing Anvil Studio (http://www.anvilstudio.com/upgraden.htm) to start (it's free!), and get used to trying to punch out sounds on the virtual keyboard.

[Tip: Hold the shift key to make a chord.]

It's a little starter thing that should get you going in the right direction at least. You might also want to grab ModPlug Tracker (http://sourceforge.net/projects/modplug/) later on, and once you have some sort of midi spewed out from Anvil Studio, you can import it to MPT, grab some samples and be on your merry way. Sure, it might not be uber-pro quality in the end, but you gotta start somewhere, right?


Good luck, you'll need it, and also a healthy amount of patience. =]

brncao
April 26th, 2010, 11:06 pm
I agree with almost everything the above poster said, except this:
Buy a piano if you dont have a piano



Ah, if only we were all so rich...

Hence


Buy a piano if you dont have a piano or sequence it into a music application.

Having a piano is a big time saver when I lay out the songs, but you can always use free music applications as a substitute, though it's rather tedious.

Anvil Studio is a good start for midi. Ardour is a good free DAW you can also try out.

OP: Sorry if I sounded harsh. If you're willing to take the time to learn then go for it, but you'll need to learn how to put together a medley before you start making it. I looked at your previous post about doing a medley on Haruhi Suzimiya. The problem was that you were asking for sheet music. When doing medleys, you do NOT ask for sheet music or else your medley will never be done.

My advice is to take requests and fulfill these requests by transcribing music for people. This is where analyzing chords becomes important during this process. Once you get the hang of it, you can work on your medley.

What I normally do is write the chord progression of a song like I,V,IV, iii, vi, etc. then apply it into my medley. Remember that chord progressions can always be altered if you know what you're doing; you don't have to stick with the original progression.

Nyu001
April 26th, 2010, 11:10 pm
This thread does not belong to this section. o.o

Anime on Tuba
May 1st, 2010, 10:21 pm
Originally posted by brncao
Sorry if I sounded harsh.

No. It's ok, you made several good points and if you would have never posted, I wouldn't be re-doing my first post.


Originally posted by brncao
I can't help you with the suggestions because it's too vague, and nobody will bother. When asking for suggestions, ask them what song will sound great after "song A." Give them the link (youtube or mp3) and the times. You'll be able to get help faster this way.

OK then... I'm looking for a song that sounds great after Romantic Fall.

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Before this chain of Dark Road and Seppette for the Dead Princess.

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Between Lillium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfTMxzB7hMc&feature=related) and the Ghost Hunt ED (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSgcfMZg1Kw)

And can any one tell me what this song is? I thought it could go great in the calmer part of the song.

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Originally posted by brncao
Buy a piano if you dont have a piano.

My grandfather bought me a piano last Thursday.:lol:

But I don't have a MIDI cable and I play tuba, which I'm better at than piano, but since it's in the shop, I'll have to use the piano.:sweat:


Originally posted by brncao
Have no music theory.

Now, I do have music theory.


Originally posted by brncao
If you're willing to take the time to learn then go for it, but you'll need to learn how to put together a medley before you start making it.

OK, I'm willing to learn, I really ( Can't you tell from the italics? ) want to make a medley.


Originally posted by brncao
When doing medleys, you do NOT ask for sheet music or else your medley will never be done.

OK then.


Originally posted by Solaphar
I suggest you start by grabbing Anvil Studio to start (it's free!), and get used to trying to punch out sounds on the virtual keyboard.

Thanks! I made Cinderella Romance, Romantic Fall and Dark Vampire with it!


Originally posted by Nyu001
This thread does not belong to this section. o.o

Oh, I'm sorry, where does it go?

Oh, and I just need one more piece of advice, do you think smooch and Lost my Music are a bit too much with Cinderella Romance and Caramelldansen?

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And brncao... where is your loli from? I WANT ONE!

brncao
May 2nd, 2010, 03:25 am
Ah, so you do know theory. Now you can really get things done. All you have to do is transcribe, transcribe, and more transcribing. Just find out what the chords are and harmonize away. err... read the italics below.

Caramelldansen huh? I remember making a mix out of it ^_^ I overlapped that and Houki Boshi and got something really interesting.

At any rate, all I can tell you is to analyze the chord progression. I'll tell you right now, Caramelldansen is I, V, vi, IV since I know that by heart. Which begs the question, are you sure you know your theory? The harmony is way off x_x I'm confused. You did fine with the other 2 midis but the one you overlapped songs sounded bad. Did you really transcribe by ear or did you copy it from somewhere?

Overlapping songs works by analyzing the chord progressions. When they match, they will work. Caramelldansen and Houki Boshi both have the same chord progression. In fact youtube "axis of awesome" where the guys basically play the same 4 chords.

As for the suggestions, please be more specific. Always list the times when linking to a music video or file. I really don't have time to listen to the entire track, and I don't know what part of the track it is you want.

As for Romantic Fall and Dead Princess, give me the chord progressions and I'll think of something for you.

Edit: Download the demo of FL Studio. I will demonstrate a couple things for you in my short medley demo. I'll PM you the source file once you've downloaded the software.

Anime on Tuba
May 9th, 2010, 01:24 am
I think Romantic Fall is IV V vi VII. ( Treads carefully. )

EDIT: Hey, I'm thinking about buying FL Studio once the school year ends, which one should I buy, or should I choose something else? I've been making MIDI's in Anvil and moving them to FL and they actually came out well!

Anime on Tuba
May 17th, 2010, 01:04 am
Right now, I'm writing this from my DSI, so sorry if the format's weird. *Entering Pissy Mode*Right now, I am so mad! My mom's IPod broke my computer! All my MP3's, MIDI's, list of songs, and my first transcriptions are on there! x_x I'm being told it might lose all it's data! All my hard work... I made a remix of Romantic Fall and a overlap of Watashi ni Deikuru Koto and Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru... I will punch whoever made the IPod in the face! Other than that, everything is peachy keen♪.

brncao
May 17th, 2010, 06:10 am
What did the ipod do to it?

Anime on Tuba
May 17th, 2010, 10:22 am
The software or files needed to use it were corrupted, and somehow the computer can't get to the desktop because it says it needs to fix the problem first. But when I let it try to fix it, it says it's unable to do so. I think the reason my computer's broken is because it's not a Mac, but I'm not a computer expert. I can't even get to the desktop so I can move my files to my flash drive or through e-mail.:cry:

Anime on Tuba
May 19th, 2010, 11:32 pm
OK, I'm back on the computer. Everything's wiped:cry:. But this taught me to back everything you make up! And it has only made me want to try harder to make this medley! I've already downloaded FL and Anvil and started working in them, and my dad is going to buy me FL once school gets out. I'm busy right now remaking everything.

EDIT: Scratch Romantic Fall's progression. I'm sure though it's a IV V- progression though because of brncao's thread. I'm a bit foggy when it comes to determining progression :heh:. Had to get a second opinion ( Who has yet to contact me on the progression but assures me I was right about IV V. )

EDIT 2: Here's that remix of Romantic Fall, made in FL Studio.

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I really like it!

I've remade the begining of my medley, I hope you enjoy it! ( It's just the melody on piano. )

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Songs used,

Go my Way!!
Motto Hade ni Ne!
Watashi ni Deikuru Koto
Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru
true my heart