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Whiplash
May 23rd, 2010, 09:03 pm
I've been playing Pokemon Blue version via a Gameboy Color emulator called KiGB. I'm trying to trade pokemon now from red version to blue version within my network. KiGB supports Game Link Cable like in gameboys. Here is the instructions I was told to follow.

1. INTRODUCTION

KiGB supports the Game Link Cable using tcp sockets. This feature enables
2 players to play games that feature a two-player mode on a tcp-enabled
network, which is the most common type of network. Cascading to support
4 players is not supported.


2. PLEASE NOTE BEFORE START

As KiGB actually emulates the Game Link Cable, a lot of network traffic will
be generated during game play. You need both a non-busy network and fast CPUs
for fast game play. Be warned: your network may jam.

PIII or above CPUs for both PCs are recommended. See the section "TESTING
RESULTS" below.


3. GETTING START

To start, one PC must be acted as a host and the other as a client. Select
"Link->I am Host" in the main menu for the host PC. The window title will
indicate you as host and the IP address will be enclosed in square brackets.
If you are in full screen mode, a line of text will be displayed at the
top of the screen, instead. The current connection status is enclosed in
parenthesis which should be "listening". Then, the client PC can then select
"Link->Link to Host" to connect to the host. A dialog box will appear
requesting for the name or the IP address of the host. Enter it and press the
OK button. If the connection is successfully made, both window titles will
have the connection status shown as "connected". The game of the client will
be reset. You are now ready to play.

WinXP users: Due to the different font size, the connetion status may not
be displayed in full in 1x1 and 2x2 windowed mode.

During the connection, all function keys and the main menu are all disabled.
The exception is the Esc key. To disconnect, press it once. You can see the
updated network connection status at the window title bar. If you are the
host (client), the client (host) will see a message indicating the
disconnection. All function keys and the main menu will be resumed normal.

After disconnected, the host will still listen for client connections.
Select "Link->I am Host" once more to resume to the normal status. Some games
will behave strangely after disconnected. You may need to reset the game
before continue.

If KiGB hangs (may happen when you change the Sync Speed - see below for
details), press the 3 keys "Alt+Ctrl+End" together to quit.


4. WHAT IF I DO NOT HAVE A NETWORK?

You can start 2 instances of KiGB and follow the steps in the section
"GETTING START" to make them connected. Enter "127.0.0.1" as the host
IP address when ask. However, you should note the following behaviours
and limitations:

- You cannot control both instances at the same time. One must be run in
background so that no input can be taken.
- Playing the same game:
* There is no need to make another copy of the game. One copy will do.
* If the game supports battery save, you need to have another copy of
the save; otherwise, the save will be overwritten by the other (You
may want to do this on purpose so that you can duplicate items for
example.) To do this, copy kigb.exe and the save to other directory.
Set up the SAVE_PATH in the kigb.cfg for the new copy.
- It is extremely slow. May need a P4 to run in full speed. Try set to 1x1
screen size and set frame skip to 2 for both instances. Try set the
Sync Speed to Half or Quarter (see below for details on Sync Speed).
Linux users: The speed is even worse in Linux. Don't try it unless you get
a P4.
- You cannot do this in Windows XP. It seems a problem of Allegro - the game
library KiGB employed.


5. WHAT IS SYNC SPEED?

The Sync Speed is the internal speed used by KiGB to synchronize the Game
Link Cable. It supports 3 speed: Normal, Half and Quarter. The default is
Normal. Setting it to Half and Quarter will speed up the connections (Quarter
being the fastest). However, it may make the connection failed and may make
KiGB hang. Change it only when you find the speed is slow.

To change it, right-click and then select "Link->Sync Speed". You have to
be the host and change it before the connection to make it effective.


6. CAN I PLAY OVER INTERNET?

Yes. The speed is unacceptable slow even in a broadband connection
(10 Mbps both upload and download with the same ISP). You can try but it is
not recommended.


7. TESTING RESULTS

The testing environment
-----------------------

PC 1 PC 2
----------- -----------
PIII 550MHz PIII 500MHz
128 MB RAM 64 MB RAM
Windows Me Windows Me

Network: 10 Mbps Ethernet (no other network tracffic during tests)


Results
-------

Game Name Type Status
================================= ==== ================================
Tetris GB OK
Mario & Yoshi GB OK
Battle Arena Toshiden GB OK
Double Yakuman 2 GB OK
Penguin Wars GB OK
Dr. Mario GB OK
Battle Ship GB OK
Pro Mahjong Kiwame GB GB OK
Pocket Mahjong GB OK
Nada Asatarou no Powerful Mahjong GB OK
Dodge Ball GB OK
Asteriod GB OK
Monopoly GB OK
Atomic Punk GB OK
Battle City GB OK (1)
Popeye 2 GB OK (1)
Battle Bull GB OK (1)
Go Go Tank GB OK (1)
Doraemon Kart GB OK (1) Hung during game play
Popeye GB OK (2)
Tetris DX GBC OK
Columns GBC OK
Pocket Color Mahjong GBC OK
Bomberman Quest GBC OK
Battle Ship GBC OK (1)
Pokemon Crystal GBC OK (1)
Mahjong Quest GBC OK (1)
Magical Drops GBC OK (2)
Bust-A-Move Millennium GBC OK (2)
Pocket Puyo Sun GBC OK (2)
Doraemon Kart 2 GBC OK (2)
Metal Gear Solid GBC OK (2)

(1) The game play was a little bit slow. For a PIII 550MHz PC, set to
full screen mode.
(2) The game play was extremely slow. A very fast network (might be 100
Mbps) and fast CPUs (P4?) might help.

The game play can be sped up and may get to the normal speed by
setting the Sync Speed to half or quarter. You may also need to set
to full screen mode with frame skip set to 1 or 2. Useful for slow
PCs and/or network connection.


As you can see, opening two instances of Pokemon on the same computer will not work because I'll only be able to control one of them, which does me no good. I've been trying to connect to a laptop in my house, but everytime I try to connect it says: Cannot connect to server: 192.168.1.100:24999. Nor can I use my PC as a host and my laptop as the client. First, I tried disabling both firewalls. Didn't work.

So, I thought "Oh, maybe I need to open up a port." So I did that. I opened up a tcp/udp port for 24999 to 24999 for both 192.168.1.100 (laptop) and 192.168.1.101 (pc). It still didn't work. I saw that all my other ports had a higher number in the "to" port, so I went from 24999 to 25999. Still didn't work.

I have no idea what to do anymore. Anybody have any ideas? I just want Bulbasaur and Alakazam =\

EDIT: I thought I should add that I did successfully open up two instances of KiGB on the same computer and connect them with each other (of course, I could only use one of them). I'm not sure if this means anything or not though.

M
May 23rd, 2010, 09:19 pm
Have you tried their own messaging boards first? This process seems highly proprietary and it's unlikely that we'd be able to help short of trying to do it ourselves. Most likely there's an undocumented step or a slight difference in instruction for your particular version of the emulator.

And I'm not certain, but isn't this illegal to discuss?

Whiplash
May 23rd, 2010, 09:43 pm
They don't have a message board =\ Meh I dunno. I just thought perhaps there is some obvious step I might be missing.

xpeed
May 24th, 2010, 09:14 am
bah....too complicated for me. =|

HopelessComposer
May 24th, 2010, 05:21 pm
And I'm not certain, but isn't this illegal to discuss?
No, just like it isn't illegal to discuss the best way of disposing of a body.
Of course, the stealing of Pokemons itself is illegal, but who says any of us are actually emulating anything? This is a hypothetical discussion! =P

M
May 24th, 2010, 07:17 pm
That doesn't hold in court.

HopelessComposer
May 24th, 2010, 08:25 pm
That doesn't hold in court.
It's illegal to talk about emulators now? Those guys could probably keep me locked up for like two thousand years then, with the amount of thought crime I've committed. D:

animefans12
May 24th, 2010, 10:38 pm
This is way too much for me to do. I'm a huge computer-freak that can basically fix the most basic thing to the most complex, but this...This is a little too much for me. Anyway, I think it's best for you not to mess it up anymore. I mean, it's really old since we used a GBA game. ESPECIALLY the GameBoy Color. I could try my best and help you, but right now, I-I'm not useful. Right now, just don't do anything to that computer. I'm not even sure if it's legal to do that... Is it? Even if it's legal or not, best not touch it. You don't want to blow up your computers to bits soon, or even possibly your game! Sorry I couldn't be of any use. :mellow:

M
May 24th, 2010, 11:02 pm
It's illegal to talk about emulators now? Those guys could probably keep me locked up for like two thousand years then, with the amount of thought crime I've committed. D:

No. It's not illegal per se. It's illegal to seek out assistance in playing a ROM that is obviously pirated. Thus, we're not in violation, but Whiplash may be.

Whiplash
May 25th, 2010, 12:46 am
I'm not seeking assistance in playing a pirated rom, I'm seeking assistance in connecting two instances of an emulator via a network connection. The actual rom(s) I may be using have little to do with the problem.

While (according to you, and I don't give a fuck to check) asking for assistance may be illegal, I'm simply saying I'm playing a rom. I highly doubt that is illegal.



Animefan: Thank you for your advice! :heh: I-I definitely don't want to blow my computer to bits! x_x I didn't think that was even possible to do by simply running a program. Thank you for opening my eyes to this possible outcome. @_@

animefans12
May 25th, 2010, 01:22 am
I'm not seeking assistance in playing a pirated rom, I'm seeking assistance in connecting two instances of an emulator via a network connection. The actual rom(s) I may be using have little to do with the problem.

While (according to you, and I don't give a fuck to check) asking for assistance may be illegal, I'm simply saying I'm playing a rom. I highly doubt that is illegal.



Animefan: Thank you for your advice! :heh: I-I definitely don't want to blow my computer to bits! x_x I didn't think that was even possible to do by simply running a program. Thank you for opening my eyes to this possible outcome. @_@

Don't worry. I had many problems with my computers and it was almost destroyed from a crazy virus I just had that nearly made me go insane! :bleh: Luckily, I got rid of it before I have to cough up twenty bucks for nothing but annoyance. For now, just take a couple of breaks from that game and let me research and look around. I'll try to see what kind of way to solve your problems. Alright, time to go seaching. Search... Search... Search... *Turns to another website and researches about GameBoy Color problems.*

Update: What kind of computer/laptop are you using? I mean, in order to find the problem and what in heaven is going on, first step to cure is the type of machine that you're using. I know you're using a GameBoy Color, but just the computer/laptop name is fine. You don't have to go into full detail, but that's going to be really helpful.

:3

Phard
May 25th, 2010, 07:30 am
haha oh boy. and to quote sheldon cooper:

"Was that sarcasm?"

http://sharing.myfoxla.com/sharewono//photo/2010/01/13/shortcut-2_20100113161353_320_240.JPG

urcute08
May 25th, 2010, 10:23 am
Sheldon Cooper would not even have a problem like this! He's wayyyyy too "advanced" to even touch a gameboy or drive a car.
Sorry I can't help Whiplash, my computer skills are not yet at that level.

Neko Koneko
May 25th, 2010, 08:39 pm
Emulators are generally considered to be in the grey area between legal and illegal. Often the software itself could be considered legal, but they require a ROM image from the original console to be able to actually do something, and those ROM images are of course illegal.

I don't mind people talking about emulators though.

@Whiplash: I don't think you were serious but just in case you're an idiot, a simple program commonly can't blow up your computer. Maybe if it's a tool to overclock your videocard or something, but an emulator won't do that :P

animefans12
May 25th, 2010, 08:43 pm
Oh, that was my fault, not his. Take the blame on me. I accidently said that as I joke. But I did experience it many times before my computer broke because of a dumb program.

Let's see... Now that you said something about it being illegal or not, that made me think twice. I'l still going to help, but I hope this isn't a joke. If it is, I don't want to waste too much time thinking about it and start working on my work. (You know that I still go to school, right?) Not trying to be mean, but... I don't like wasting too much time on something that does mean nothing.

Neko Koneko
May 25th, 2010, 08:44 pm
I think he was joking about being scared he might blow up his computer :P I don't think he was kidding about wanting to play the game and everything.

Catgirl the Crazy
May 26th, 2010, 06:07 pm
EDIT: I thought I should add that I did successfully open up two instances of KiGB on the same computer and connect them with each other (of course, I could only use one of them). I'm not sure if this means anything or not though.

How exactly do you do this on a mac? I've managed to open two instances of KiGB, but I can't figure out how to link them, and the instructions you posted seems to be more about Windows.

Also, I don't know if you've already tried this, but I've discovered that, under Preferences, you can uncheck a box that says "Pause emulator when in background." Will unchecking that solve the problem of only being able to control one instance at a time?

Whiplash
May 26th, 2010, 10:22 pm
Holy shit. A reply that is actually constructive.

I don't have a mac, so I have no idea. On windows it's just under File. Weirdly enough, I don't have a Preference tab deal. Though, KiGB doesn't pause when it's in the background anyways. When I link two together on the same PC, I literally can't do anything except exit the one in the background. No keys work at all.

xpeed
May 27th, 2010, 07:38 am
I laugh at people who complains why there aren't any games for Macs......well for one thing, the Apple has only has one button, second....it's a Mac. The only greatest game ever made for a Mac was Oregon Trail.

Gotank
May 27th, 2010, 03:09 pm
This brings back good memories...

I used no$gmb back when I played; it allowed you to run and control two roms simultaneously on the same computer and link/interact them. Though you'll most likely have to start over your game if you plan to switch emulators. Ultimately I think that might be an easier solution to linking up different computers on a network.

urcute08
May 29th, 2010, 12:23 pm
- You cannot do this in Windows XP. It seems a problem of Allegro - the game
library KiGB employed.

Do you use Windows XP?

Whiplash
May 29th, 2010, 05:28 pm
I tried it on both XP and Windows 7.

urcute08
June 2nd, 2010, 09:14 am
Maybe it just doesn't like Windows...

animefans12
June 2nd, 2010, 11:50 am
It might not just be compatible with the Windows. I mean, some game system and electronic devices take up on the older version.... I think.

urcute08
June 2nd, 2010, 12:14 pm
Nah, I doubt it because unless you don't wanna go older than XP you get pretty slow and shitty computers. I doubt the game is even that old. Though luck Whiplash.

Catgirl the Crazy
June 10th, 2010, 06:10 pm
Well, regarding the Mac issue- I contacted the guy who developed the Mac version of KiGB, and apparently that version doesn't support linking. *sigh*

animefans12
June 12th, 2010, 01:57 pm
*Sigh* The problem has just taken the new twist of turn event. TT;;
This is a lot harder than I have expected.

Whiplash
June 12th, 2010, 10:05 pm
Just let this thread die. I haven't played that game since I made the thread.

HanTony
June 12th, 2010, 11:26 pm
How exactly did you try linking? LAN is all I can think of O.o

Taemond
June 14th, 2010, 01:39 am
Sorry to intrude Whiplash and I don't have any help to offer but I have a problem. Save making another thread I'll just continue on this.

Ok, turned my pc off last night, was working fine. Turned it back on this morning and I have no sound. So I changed my speaker output, changed quality etc. and even tried 3 different speakers and 2 different headphones and its still not working; so I think its the actual connection in my computer. When I do turn the volume up a lot on my speakers, all I get is this ringing sound. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be wrong and what I could do to fix it? (I know I could replace the soundcard but since I've only got an inbuilt one on the motherboard I'd rather not have to but a whole new motherboard.)

Whiplash
June 14th, 2010, 04:18 am
Is your sound-card built into your motherboard? If so, go into your BIOS setup on start up (press F1) and check to see if for some reason it got turned off. That's all I can really think of.

Taemond
June 15th, 2010, 12:22 pm
Thanks for the suggestion but no change :( I need my music @_@

M
June 15th, 2010, 03:13 pm
Sorry to intrude Whiplash and I don't have any help to offer but I have a problem. Save making another thread I'll just continue on this.

Ok, turned my pc off last night, was working fine. Turned it back on this morning and I have no sound. So I changed my speaker output, changed quality etc. and even tried 3 different speakers and 2 different headphones and its still not working; so I think its the actual connection in my computer. When I do turn the volume up a lot on my speakers, all I get is this ringing sound. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what may be wrong and what I could do to fix it? (I know I could replace the soundcard but since I've only got an inbuilt one on the motherboard I'd rather not have to but a whole new motherboard.)

Let's do an idiot check first:
Did you check the physical hard line that you have plugged into the computer? Make certain that they're plugged in firmly and correctly. I know that a lot of people that have pets fall prey to loose cables. Also, if you have a MP3 or CD player, try plugging your speakers into the headphone jack of the player. If you don't get any sound, then your speakers are shot.

Another thing you can check is to see if your software is working properly. If you're running vista or windows 7, you should have a single channel graphical equalizer on the right hand side of the volume button. Play a file with audio, and check to see if that's moving. If it's not, then you most likely have a software problem, or a signal problem (bad file).

I don't suppose you have a multimeter or equalizer handy (or anything that has a graphical monitor on it)? If you do, we can check the card's connection to see if it's producing anything.

Taemond
June 16th, 2010, 08:34 am
Ok, all the cables are in fine. Speakers are working (and I tried 5 different ones too). Checked the meter and it says (when I play music or such) that it is making sound. I opened up some other sound programs with equalizers and meters and they all say that my computer is making sound (when I doing something that produces sound). I guessing it might have something to do with the actual motherboard, since I tried 3 audio output connections and still got no sound. Also when I turn the hardware volume right up (also checked the software volume, that's right up) all I get is a ringing type noise.

HanTony
June 16th, 2010, 01:56 pm
omg you're deaf! D:
Yeah I think you could be right about the motherboard. These things will happen >.>

Taemond
June 16th, 2010, 02:38 pm
*sigh*, I'll just wait and see what M thinks before I take it down to the store. Although I really can't afford a new mobo atm :/

M
June 17th, 2010, 12:57 am
Yeah, I'd say go to a repairman and see what they have to say about it. The only other step I'm aware of that you could do is slightly electrician like.

Neko Koneko
June 19th, 2010, 12:54 pm
It seems weird to me that the motherboard could break down on just the sound part. Usually when that happens, more things will break (though it might be just the connector).

I'd try reinstalling the driver first (maybe during updates some broken driver got installed? Try rolling the driver back). If that doesn't work, reinstall windows. If that doesn't work, you could see if you can get a separate soundcard. Might fix your problem for under 20 bucks.

Zero
June 19th, 2010, 08:15 pm
Ok, all the cables are in fine. Speakers are working (and I tried 5 different ones too). Checked the meter and it says (when I play music or such) that it is making sound. I opened up some other sound programs with equalizers and meters and they all say that my computer is making sound (when I doing something that produces sound). I guessing it might have something to do with the actual motherboard, since I tried 3 audio output connections and still got no sound. Also when I turn the hardware volume right up (also checked the software volume, that's right up) all I get is a ringing type noise.

Both my old PC and laptop ran into that same problem. I just played around with the drivers (rollback/uninstall/update) until it started working again.

If it's still nothing, getting a cheap sound card is your best bet. Repairman's normally not worth it.

PorscheGTIII
June 21st, 2010, 07:14 pm
So one of my desktop hard drives is clicking. It just so happens to also be the drive with the OS, my music collection, and all my compositions. What can I do to recover the files on the drive to a new disk? I read that the problem is probably the actuator arm moving as far as it will go to the right and back to its landing point on the disk. I know opening the drive is a big no-no, but if it comes down to it should I do this... http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/437038/clicking_hard_drive_problem_one_remedy.html



I'm going to build my new PC now and regually back it up. :\

M
June 21st, 2010, 10:09 pm
If your hard drive has failed, do not write anything to the disk. You will lose all of your data in that scenario. If you can't run the drive (as in at all), you'll need a professional service to retrieve the data. If you can run the drive, then you can use programs to do a binary copy of everything (including fragmented or bad sectors of data)

PorscheGTIII
June 22nd, 2010, 12:21 am
I was just reading on Western digitals FAQ page. They say that one possibility is a bad SATA cable. Can SATA cables go bad?

M
June 22nd, 2010, 12:31 am
Very much so (dirty read heads, broken plug, broken fiber). Try doing a swap out.

Luis
June 22nd, 2010, 11:36 am
M's drive died... Mine dies... my old i9300s charger dies.

-No battery, no spare charger... combined cost of these are around the cost of a cheap desktop.

now porsche?

I blame M.

HanTony
June 23rd, 2010, 12:22 pm
When I plug in my external hard drive my computer asks me to format it, but wont this delete all my files on the drive?
__
Edit: It's just my usb port playing up :heh:

M
June 23rd, 2010, 01:36 pm
When I plug in my external hard drive my computer asks me to format it, but wont this delete all my files on the drive?
__
Edit: It's just my usb port playing up :heh:

Another popular problem like this is when you unsafely remove your drive. A quick error scan fixes this.