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Cabal181
June 11th, 2010, 04:09 am
So I've been working on Sperion's arrangement of Odoru Akachan (the ED from N.H.K.). What a great song for piano and what a fantastic transcription :D

I don't know how to upload, but here's a link to the sheets
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcfc2/score/odoruakachan.pdf

Anyways, the 7th/8th measure is what's giving me trouble. I'm fairly sure this song is at 160 bpm and each group of two triplets is worth one beat, correct?

Well I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the fingering of the 7th measure (that E chord in the middle of those triplets really throws me off...) also, are there any particular exercises anyone does that helps with fast triplets like this?

Also, please excuse my lack of theory knowledge if I misread something. I've been playing for years but had very few lessons :heh:

Solaphar
June 11th, 2010, 09:58 pm
So I've been working on Sperion's arrangement of Odoru Akachan (the ED from N.H.K.). What a great song for piano and what a fantastic transcription :D

I don't know how to upload, but here's a link to the sheets
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcfc2/score/odoruakachan.pdf (http://www.srcf.ucam.org/%7Epcfc2/score/odoruakachan.pdf)

Anyways, the 7th/8th measure is what's giving me trouble. I'm fairly sure this song is at 160 bpm and each group of two triplets is worth one beat, correct?

Well I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for the fingering of the 7th measure (that E chord in the middle of those triplets really throws me off...) also, are there any particular exercises anyone does that helps with fast triplets like this?

Also, please excuse my lack of theory knowledge if I misread something. I've been playing for years but had very few lessons :heh:
First of all, I want to point out that what you're seeing is an interval (specifically an octave), not a chord. A chord has at least three distinct tones.

As for your question about fingering, what have you tried yet? Have you starting the run on your middle finger? I would think you would want your pinky to arrive at that high E so your thumb can hit the lower E. Not knowing how you play that ascending scale though, I can't really give you specific advice on fingering.

If it were me, I would start on middle finger and then go: (3,4,5,2,3,4,1-5). The "1-5" obviously being that 'E' octave. I also only had a few lessons when I was younger, so I can't say that this technique would be "the best". Just try whatever works for your playing style. The important part, I think, is reaching the 1-5 at the top so you can play that octave.

On a side note, I think that's a bit poorly notated in the first place. Like the half notes at the start of meas. 7 preceding the run you're having trouble with. Seems like it should only be a quarter to me.


As for how to get faster. You start by practicing it slow and gradually building up speed util you can play it full tempo. This is how any musician practices a fast part that they can't play.


Hope my advice helps.

Nyu001
June 11th, 2010, 10:00 pm
You can try with this one if you have no done it already:

| 1 2 3 1 3 4 | [5+1] 4 3 1 3 2 | 1 3 2 1 3 2 |

Edit:

You can also try playing each tripets as one beat until you feel comfortable.

Cabal181
June 11th, 2010, 10:44 pm
First of all, I want to point out that what you're seeing is an interval (specifically an octave), not a chord. A chord has at least three distinct tones.

As for your question about fingering, what have you tried yet? Have you starting the run on your middle finger? I would think you would want your pinky to arrive at that high E so your thumb can hit the lower E. Not knowing how you play that ascending scale though, I can't really give you specific advice on fingering.

If it were me, I would start on middle finger and then go: (3,4,5,2,3,4,1-5). The "1-5" obviously being that 'E' octave. I also only had a few lessons when I was younger, so I can't say that this technique would be "the best". Just try whatever works for your playing style. The important part, I think, is reaching the 1-5 at the top so you can play that octave.

On a side note, I think that's a bit poorly notated in the first place. Like the half notes at the start of meas. 7 preceding the run you're having trouble with. Seems like it should only be a quarter to me.


As for how to get faster. You start by practicing it slow and gradually building up speed util you can play it full tempo. This is how any musician practices a fast part that they can't play.


Hope my advice helps.

Yeah, I knew it wasn't a chord, I just didn't know what to call it...thanks for the correction.

I tried your suggestion for fingering, but it didn't really work for me. I was doing 1 2 3 - 1 2 3 - 1/4 3 2 But I tried Nyu's suggestion and that makes it an easier stretch to the lower E. Thanks Nyu ^_^

You're right about the notation, it is a bit weird to read. As you mentioned, I'm just treating it like a quarter note...and why is the "E" octave a half note? So confusing, but with the midi it makes sense.

Oh and about the speed thing-I've heard of theory exercises by composers like Czerny and thought maybe somebody would know a particular one that would help in this situation.

Thanks for the help!

Solaphar
June 12th, 2010, 04:16 am
I went to a piano and realized I was starting on my thumb going 123 for EF#G# and then 2345 for BCDE when I went to play it. So, I now realize now that my earlier fingering advice before about stating on the middle finger was bad. Sorry about that.

I'm glad you found a way that works for you though, thanks to Nyu's help.


As for theory exercises that you mentioned, sorry that I can't give you a suggestion. I don't use those since I just play in whatever was feels most natural and works for me. But, that said, what works for me might not work for you, and vice-versa. I'm really more into bass-playing these days than piano.

Cabal181
June 12th, 2010, 05:21 am
lol I was sort of wondering how you were able to pull off that 345 2345

Anyway, I've gotten to 90 bpm on those two measures using Nyu's fingering...which sounds pretty but is still nowhere near what it's supposed to sound like. :sweat:

Also, I tried playing at 160 bpm with 6 repeating CDE triplets just to see if I could physically move my fingers that fast...I can't! Luckily the rest of the piece isn't as difficult.

animefans12
June 12th, 2010, 01:43 pm
You can try counting like this:

1 e + 2 e +....

Well... I'm not sure if this counting can work. I'm not very good with triplets too. TT;;

mucas
June 17th, 2010, 01:44 am
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KAIRIMARIE
November 11th, 2010, 11:25 pm
try sub-dividing