A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Suppose if this thread were to disappear, how many of you would lose interest in Ichigo's and, maybe leave this place?

A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Suppose if this thread were to disappear, how many of you would lose interest in Ichigo's and, maybe leave this place?

I'd still stick around. Ichigos is the only place on the internet that I'm actually active and not a lurker. I'd probably migrate over to the music section and try to be useful there. After all, the music part of Ichigos is the main reason I came here in the first place.

In regards to those plans you mentioned Zero, I'd be happy to help with anything that needs doing. Particularly in the music section, since I really wish to contribute and help in some way.

Trollface? Moar like TROLLEDFACE
D: !?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you a musician? Are you an artist? Do you like being creative and making art, maybe a little writing?
Yeah! =D
But the old Ichigos has those sections, too. And the art section is freaking DEAD. We have almost no artists here, and I don't think that's gonna get fixed, since we're known as a music site. I don't see how we'll attract more artists when this is a sheet music site. =(
Same thing goes with the writing and games and such. Isn't the music section pretty healthy?
Also, I do post in the art sections already when I see something worth commenting on, or I have something worth posting. Getting rid of GC definitely isn't going to spur me to post in the art sections any more than I already do, I'm afraid.

And I have no idea how to destalify this place. I'm not even sure if it's actually stale. It might just FEEL stale to me because I've been here for so long. XP

I agree with Zero. Ichigos just has the band of regulars that sit in the same room on the same furniture each day.

As being a new member not terribly long ago, the only way that I managed to get anywhere with the forum is replying to other peoples sheet music requests and doing odd stuff around the music section. Eventually some of the more noted members such as Death Raider and Porsche started to comment on my posts etc and only then did I have a "chance" at fitting in.

Now I don't think we really want all new members to go through this video game leveling type system just to be noted.


I think a little attitude change might help to. No offense (lol, I just had to add that :P), but we can come across as pretty brash and unapproachable. Think walking down a city street at night and seeing a group of people yelling and stupid at the other end. No one is going to walk past the group, let alone try to converse with them. I think if we just wise up a little and treated new posts and members like professionals things would get a fair bit better and more productive around here.

Would that mean more strict rules? Maybe, and I'm not saying everyone is like this, but hell, we just had another argument in general chat. They're bound to happen but we can at least approach these a little more grown up.


Now that everyone has had a good smack on the backside and donned a suit, how about we all sit down. have coffee, and get things rolling. :)



EDIT: I think Hopeless is onto something as well. Changing or "fixing" Ichigos will be a challenge, the only way to make things start to happen around here is to have something different. As far as I can tell, Ichigos is known for music, specifically transcribing sheets. Nothing else really springs to mind as to what we can do. Maybe a discussion session over Skype or something is in order as to what we could do?

2ndEDIT: I had an even better idea. Why don't we discuss all of this over Ichigos Chat. :D Since we've got it there and its been neglected for quite some time.

The rules/guidelines exist (http://forums.ichigos.com/faq.php?faq=faq_post#faq_new_faq_item), I think people just need to remember to follow them. =/


Our members are the soul of Ichigo's, and we expect everyone to be treated with respect.

* Treat all members with respect. Any personal attacks on another person or their beliefs is not tolerated.
* Any arguments about personal matters between users will be deleted. Constructive arguments about subjects such as religion are fine, anything that digresses into personal attacks is not. Use a method of communication outside the forums.
* Be honest in your posts. Don't think up BS to post just to get attention. Saying "OMG I'VEN BEEN RAPED" and then 10 pages later saying it's a joke is not funny, so don't do it."

Some of this stuff happens frequently (especially the first and second bulleted items), and the declared consequences haven't been followed through on...

So yeah... Everyone has room to improve, but to start encouraging improvement, enforcement might be the best way. Also, admins/mods, oldbies, newbies alike... all of us need to be held to these same standards, since unequal justice would be no justice at all. In other words, when an admin and regular user get into it, maybe they both need a few days away to cool their heads. But, they should also be encouraged to resolve their differences privately, so that when they're able to come back, they don't get into it with each other again.

A quick two cents. If there were a team that constantly provided feedback on the composition forum and a team that was constantly trying to help people find (not necessarily transcribe/arrange) sheet music in the requests forum, I think there would be a possibility of a more active and new-user friendly Ichigo's.

A quick two cents. If there were a team that constantly provided feedback on the composition forum and a team that was constantly trying to help people find (not necessarily transcribe/arrange) sheet music in the requests forum, I think there would be a possibility of a more active and new-user friendly Ichigo's.

This is exactly the kind of thing I think we need. Maybe if we were to assign certain people to these tasks and make say, a roster thread in the music section detailing who they are and what they do it'd be easier for people to communicate with us and us to them. It'd be more official to say the least anyway. :heh:

Good idea Porsche.

I do find, that we dont have many new threads. Especially in the GC bit, its just the same few threads over and over. heck, im scared to post new ones :X

Perhaps we should look at locking a thread at 50 pages, and then creating another one? Ive seen this work really well on other forums, I think its a little less daunting to come to a thread with 30 pages rather than 486 (post your picture thread D:).
Feel free to shoot me down..

Can't argue with Gand!
Hope this goes better than last time, though. Pretty sure last time we lost a few regulars, and got nothing in return for them. X3
What percentage of the forum's posts are in this thread, anyway? Do you guys have stats for that?

The only regulars we'll be losing are the people who only come here for the general chat. Frankly, I don't think they'll be much of a loss. In fact, in some cases (not all, mind you) I'll be happy to be rid of them here.

People who're interested in music, anime, games and wotsnot will still be welcome here. People who come here for random smalltalk, messing about and not adding anything intelligent to this place might want to revert back to randomchatsiteforteenagerswhohavenolife.com or something similar to that. :P

When I first came to Ichigo's this forum was all about music. General chat was just an extra. Nowadays, General chat and the Music parts are basically two seperate forums with their own userbase. It's time that we find a direction in which we want to go with this place and I'm sorry to say (okay, I'm not) that we've chosen to shift the focus back to what the site's about (yes, there is a site, ichigos.com, I wouldn't be surprised if certain people here didn't even know that).

It's gonna be similar to what it was 8 years ago (http://web.archive.org/web/20021210152458/www.ichigosmusic.com/forum/index.php) :)

i think it would be good if we had a sub forum for introductions only. That way we could easily see new members and greet them, rather than overlooking them in one big thread. Also, new members do seem to like making their own introduction threads anyway, as we have a few crop up that just get locked from time to time..
I for one, would be happy to keep an eye out for new members in such a place, and make sure that someone welcomed them. Maybe more people would stick around that way.

lmao.
You do realize roughly 99.99999% of your posts are made in this very thread, right?


Yeah, I'm well aware of that but I'm willing to sacrifice that for the sake of the forums.

Will be closed threads that are related to a "general" chat based in a subject? Example: "The embarrassing thread" - Post your embarrassing moments.

Will be closed threads that are related to a "general" chat based in a subject? Example: "The embarrassing thread" - Post your embarrassing moments.

The idea is we want to stay away from spam. A thread can start out great but if it moves towards spam - like when the GC thread gets in one of those times where everyone's just posting their own thing and leave - well, to be honest there are other, better places for that.

"The Embarassing Thread" can spawn good discussions. Of course, some of the posts will be one-shot, but for a thread like that it's hard not to dive into the topic. They don't have to be deep necessarily, but as long as it's not spam it's all good.

On the other hand, "Post Your Desktop" is actually quite useful. It's easy for anyone to post in, and, well, people's desktops are interesting. It says alot about them. I don't see anything wrong with that. A thread like that can really balance out other kinds of threads.

Alright, here's the thread for continuing the conversation we had in GC lately as well as the Helpdesk thread.

Merged a selection of posts to refresh our memories...

I keep checking back here to post something stupid, and I keep on realizing I have nowhere to post it. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
One more suggestion for you guys, to get more new threads started: after a thread hasn't been posted in for x number of days, lock/delete the thing. I've noticed a lot of times people have posted new threads in GC, only to have a moderator come in and be like "lol, we already had a dreams thread! WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK PAGE SIXTEEN? THREAD LOCKED, ASSHOLE!"
Even I'm afraid to post new threads in there most of the time because of that. = \

I keep checking back here to post something stupid, and I keep on realizing I have nowhere to post it. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
One more suggestion for you guys, to get more new threads started: after a thread hasn't been posted in for x number of days, lock/delete the thing. I've noticed a lot of times people have posted new threads in GC, only to have a moderator come in and be like "lol, we already had a dreams thread! WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK PAGE SIXTEEN? THREAD LOCKED, ASSHOLE!"
Even I'm afraid to post new threads in there most of the time because of that. = \

This issue is partially ironic as well. As Hopeless said, I too have seen new threads that are clones of old ones locked. However whenever somebody makes a post in one of the old ones, it tends to leave a lot of thinking "why the hell are they reviving this thread?"

Maybe a total reboot of the threads in the General Discussion section might be in order. I'm sure most threads will come back but you never know, we may get some new ones.

This issue is partially ironic as well. As Hopeless said, I too have seen new threads that are clones of old ones locked. However whenever somebody makes a post in one of the old ones, it tends to leave a lot of thinking "why the hell are they reviving this thread?"

Maybe a total reboot of the threads in the General Discussion section might be in order. I'm sure most threads will come back but you never know, we may get some new ones.

Indeed. I was wondering why they didn't just clear out the whole General Chat, myself. I would've just emptied the whole thing, and put a friendly sticky from the mods saying "let's get posting!"
They're trying to stir things up, here, but they didn't really change GC much. I do like that site announcements aren't bundled with the music sections anymore, though. And the new tags are cool. =)

I keep checking back here to post something stupid, and I keep on realizing I have nowhere to post it.

That happened to me too. I did not see anything where I would make a post at the moment. :heh:


I would've just emptied the whole thing, and put a friendly sticky from the mods saying "let's get posting!"

That would be a good idea.

____


By the way the addition of soundcloud and the other site are very convenient, thanks!

I was thinking of completely wiping out the General forums and starting off clean, but there's another option:

Right now, every thread that has existed from the very beginning of Ichigo's is by default visible. We can simply change it so it defaults to showing only threads that have been active for the past 30 days. Thing is I'm not sure if we can make this forum-specific (only the General forums, rather than the entire forums). We'll see when Neko wakes up ~_~

I share the same thoughts as you guys. We need to create some space before we can fill it with stuff again.

I've noticed a lot of times people have posted new threads in GC, only to have a moderator come in and be like "lol, we already had a dreams thread! WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK PAGE SIXTEEN? THREAD LOCKED, ASSHOLE!"
Even I'm afraid to post new threads in there most of the time because of that. = \

This issue is partially ironic as well. As Hopeless said, I too have seen new threads that are clones of old ones locked. However whenever somebody makes a post in one of the old ones, it tends to leave a lot of thinking "why the hell are they reviving this thread?"
The above solution will make those problems history. Duplicates and clones are cool - they've just been poorly dealt with in the past.

Omg, general chat is gone! :o And here I thought that GC was the most immortal thread of all others. I'm skeptical about whether this will be a steer in the right direction though, some regulars might disappear forever along with GC. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get this weird feeling that the closure of the thread was done out of a pure mess of emotions & spite, intensified page after page in that thread.

Well, kind of :)

Ichigo's Chat (IRC) (http://ichigos.com/chat) is still around for people that want to chat about random stuff. There was too much negativity coming out of that thread. I think people will survive without it...

I have never been there. :o

Omg, general chat is gone! And here I thought that GC was the most immortal thread of all others. I'm skeptical about whether this will be a steer in the right direction though, some regulars might disappear forever along with GC. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get this weird feeling that the closure of the thread was done out of a pure mess of emotions & spite, intensified page after page in that thread.
I got the same feeling, too. ~__~
I'm already not missing it, though!
Like Gand said, it was a pretty rotten thread. Just a bunch of cranky oldies passive-agressively arguing with each other half the time (sorry guys).
Posting in the music section is actually proving to be really fun, though. I forgot this forum had people that were actually talented and had hobbies they cared about. I didn't even know half our music regulars were still around, since I haven't checked into the music section in years, but I'm totally looking forward to getting to know them again. I started out here in the music section, so it's cool to get back into it. =D

i'm not really missing the general chat
tbh lately i've only been reading the GC anyway, this way since that temptation is out of the way, i'm actually looking at alot of the threads to see if i can say anything
and randomness can still be had in IRC \o/, whenever people are actually in there

I'm already not missing it, though!
Like Gand said, it was a pretty rotten thread. Just a bunch of cranky oldies passive-agressively arguing with each other half the time (sorry guys).

i'm not really missing the general chat
tbh lately i've only been reading the GC anyway, this way since that temptation is out of the way This is true, it's great to have that weight lifted off our shoulders. It was dragging everything down.

Well, the new Ichigo's setting does set off as a fresh, new start... kind of. ^^;

Anyhow, I'm cool with the new setting. Even if the Forum Games and General Chat are wiped out (which they are, apparently), I would still be hanging around here. Might as well bring myself to do something musical besides in school...

I'd say the original purpose of this is definitely working. Though I do say I missed the forum games. It's been a while since I found a forum with decent members and threads. Oh well. Things change people change. Just gotta get used to it I guess.

Yeah, I think we're getting back to the heart of what this forum, and in a broader sense, what this website is about.

As expected, things are less active now, and will be for a while, since a large amount of activity was generated in the old off-topic general areas. I anticipate that this will gradually reverse, and activity will rise again, as we get more new people to stick around and become involved in the core areas of the site and forum.


Personally, I'm especially hoping for a revitalization in music, with more people posting performances and/or compositions and such. That would be nice. Also more people trying to learn how to transcribe, as well as regulars helping new transcribers get started. I also wouldn't mind the art section seeing more activity too.

That would be cool, but once I get the time to lay off my school... Like during Spring Break or something, I'll try to see if I can start recording what I've played on the flute and tenor sax and post them on Ichigo's. I've done recordings before on an instrument, but those were meant for school instead. =_=

Anyhow, there isn't a lot of activities going on ever since the General Chat and Forum Games are tossed out... But as Solaphar said, their might be an increase in the activity soon. :)