I remember alluding a long time ago to the fact that Ichigo's main problem lies in the existence of three people. In order for this forum to be a pleasant place for Ichigo's true target audience, these three people must disappear, in one form or another. However, two of them will never let themselves go.

My decision to choose the three new mods with the exact opposite personality types were to appeal to Ichigo's true audience, rather than people in their 20's who troll and vent on some sheet music forum who's only here because they've been here since their teens.

Extreme attachment to self, desperation for control and authority - these things don't belong here.

....Why so serious all of a sudden? Did Neko give you an ear-full via PM or something? Your comment seems a little rude, otherwise..

"Edit: it's Zero," made me laugh hard, either way. XD

I'm speaking non-emotionally towards this website's best interests, as in a neutral field report. You're free to interpret it as you wish, however.

With the main problems gone, the rest of the residuals will disappear on their own. Whether they want to see themselves as problems or not is up to them. They don't have to.

Are you bipolar, Zero? Or just constantly depressed? A lot of your posts come off that way. = \
I'm not sure "the residuals" leaving would make this site a better place, either. The sheet music section is doing just fine, as it always has. The other sections have always been dead, for as long as I can remember. And that makes sense, since this is an anime sheet music site. The only people who would even normally enter the other sections are these dirty residuals you wish would leave. =P

And again, I still don't see why you're even bringing this up in this thread. This is an anime recommendation thread, not a site suggestion thread...I think we have a subforum for that somewhere toward the bottom of the directory, though I'm not sure how well "kick out all the old members" would fly as a suggestion, hahah. =D

I enjoy being here, I delete spam when I see it and kick spammers out when I spot them, other than that I'm mostly just here for the general topics and as I try getting back into anime, I'll be around for anime chatter too.

Speaking of which, I started watching FMA: Brotherhood last night. I'm already hooked :D

In order for this forum to be a pleasant place for Ichigo's true target audience, these three people must disappear, in one form or another. However, two of them will never let themselves go. [...]
My decision to [...]

[...]as in a neutral field report[...]
With the main problems gone[...]

Heh.

Don't worry Zero, I'm here to stay, even if I'm not able to Mod or Admin -- and, sadly, the forum suffers from technology and forum improvement because of that (egoist, yes, fact, that too) -- but I've made myself detached as you very passive aggressively requested of me over a year ago. So you can let go and leave Ichigos to complete your own detachment rather than continue lurking around and acting as a catalyst to cause the community to suffer, because of your failure to see that the said changes you've put to light have indeed happened but the inexplicable improvements that you originally postulated to occur haven't seen a silver of time; driving you to still see that the three of us --- Neko, Yourself, and Myself -- are still a problem to the community.

Alas, I'm but a cancer, that's emotional, egotistical, inflexible, and unable to find peace with anything I do on these forums and I afflict the entire community. Even though I sacrificed my moderation and administration powers of my own will, I detached myself from the forum activities outside of simple comments, and providing suggestions to improve the community, BUT NOT ENACT THEM as that would be as to returning to the community and reintroduce the cancer. But this is just about myself. I'm making this post not because of this.

And at this point, it's not even about me. I don't really care what you say about me. What you just did was passive aggressively attacked Neko, whom wasn't even involved in our tiffs we have every so often. You need to seriously reevaluate your attitudes and get your mood in check, because all I see is hypocrisy from what you've been saying since last year. And I know I'm not the only one that sees it. Of all the cancers you mentioned, you should be the first to completely vanish.

And before you even bring this up: I refuse to bring our arguments into Private Messages simply because I feel as though you need to explain exactly what it is that you're trying to do, as you're essentially, but you deny it, the architect of this new ichigos model. Taking this to PM is the same as saying you don't have the spine to openly talk about these issues and have a closed approach without letting the community see exactly how things are formed.

But who cares about these things anyway, right? Just remember that you may live to see interesting times. :)

---


Alas, I have to suggest that everyone revisits Macross F's Bluray release. Holy crap did they add content and quality.

I enjoy being here, I delete spam when I see it and kick spammers out when I spot them, other than that I'm mostly just here for the general topics and as I try getting back into anime, I'll be around for anime chatter too.

Heh.

Don't worry Zero, I'm here to stay, even if I'm not able to Mod or Admin -- and, sadly, the forum suffers from technology and forum improvement because of that (egoist, yes, fact, that too) -- but I've made myself detached as you very passive aggressively requested of me over a year ago. So you can let go and leave Ichigos to complete your own detachment rather than continue lurking around and acting as a catalyst to cause the community to suffer, because of your failure to see that the said changes you've put to light have indeed happened but the inexplicable improvements that you originally postulated to occur haven't seen a silver of time; driving you to still see that the three of us --- Neko, Yourself, and Myself -- are still a problem to the community.

Alas, I'm but a cancer, that's emotional, egotistical, inflexible, and unable to find peace with anything I do on these forums and I afflict the entire community. Even though I sacrificed my moderation and administration powers of my own will, I detached myself from the forum activities outside of simple comments, and providing suggestions to improve the community, BUT NOT ENACT THEM as that would be as to returning to the community and reintroduce the cancer. But this is just about myself. I'm making this post not because of this.

And at this point, it's not even about me. I don't really care what you say about me. What you just did was passive aggressively attacked Neko, whom wasn't even involved in our tiffs we have every so often. You need to seriously reevaluate your attitudes and get your mood in check, because all I see is hypocrisy from what you've been saying since last year. And I know I'm not the only one that sees it. Of all the cancers you mentioned, you should be the first to completely vanish.

And before you even bring this up: I refuse to bring our arguments into Private Messages simply because I feel as though you need to explain exactly what it is that you're trying to do, as you're essentially, but you deny it, the architect of this new ichigos model. Taking this to PM is the same as saying you don't have the spine to openly talk about these issues and have a closed approach without letting the community see exactly how things are formed.

But who cares about these things anyway, right? Just remember that you may live to see interesting times. :)

I'm saying it for both of your goods too.

For people who's been around alot, it's good to take a healthy break. Like Solaphar, last time I spoke to him he's doing alot better than the old Solphar some of us knew.

So, the disappearance of the three old staff members is good for them, and good for Ichigo's. They may decide to come back later, but it's good to forget that this forum's ever existed, at least for a while. If they do come back, they'll be refreshed. Then, they'll be good for Ichigo's again.

As for the residuals of old Ichigo's (to Hopeless), why not start a new forum just for you guys? You could even create a General Chat thread.

While some of us may have a severely traumatized heart who has a tendency to see things at the most superficial level, which is completely understandable, you may now be able to understand that I have always had everybody's best interests in mind. Notice how I've never been truly personal. In every conflict in the past, my attention has always been on both Ichigo's best interests, as well as the other peoples' best interests.

True compassion is ruthless, from the ego's point of view, because it does not consider the ego's drive to maintain itself. It sounds like "crazy wisdom." It's totally wise, but it's crazy as well, because it does not relate to the ego's literal and simple-minded attempts to secure its own comfort. If you touched upon something that makes another close down, hurt, reject, and push away, you've probably found just the right medicine for them.

If you're so convinced that you, me and M should leave then why are you still here? I think things were going fine, you're the only one who's being a bitch around here. M adds to discussions, he reports the majority of the spambots and I think most people like having him around. As for me, I don't know if people like me but I think I get along with most people here. So please, stop being a hypocrite by screaming old members should leave while you're clearly incapable of leaving this place yourself. You're the one who pops up everywhere being an arse and ruining the mood, not me or M.

By "old members" I'm talking mainly you and M. Taking even a month long break wouldn't hurt.

Notice what I mean, as I pointed out in the previous post:

Taking a month long break will be healthy for the two of you.
When you come back, you'll be refreshed and renewed.
I have yours, and Ichigo's health in best interests. Always have.

If you knew what's healthy for you, you'd already do it.

I think it's amazing how someone who lives on the other side of the world, who I have never met face to face and with who I haven't had a decent conversations in years, thinks he knows what's best for me :mellow:

Are you Jesus?

It's obvious to me. I feel for you if you actually resist the idea that taking a break is best for you.

Well, no matter. It's my practice to give everything without holding back. Reception is besides the point.

By "old members" I'm talking mainly you and M. Taking even a month long break wouldn't hurt.

Notice what I mean, as I pointed out in the previous post:

Taking a month long break will be healthy for the two of you.
When you come back, you'll be refreshed and renewed.
I have yours, and Ichigo's health in best interests. Always have.

If you knew what's healthy for you, you'd already do it.

Superimposing what you feel is self understanding onto others is a horrible habit that always fails. You of all people should know that with different people come different lifestyles and reactions, and that applying a common theory to them is impossible --- that is, if you're actually reading what you say you've been reading (the books before your spiritual sexuality steak). There's no "health" involved in Neko or My affiliation with Ichigos. I'm pretty sure Ichigos is the place we go when we feel like we want to share something. When I go to Ichigos, it's actually a relief from my day-to-day grind of work and allowing some of my hobbies to be shared with others. To have another member take that away would be detrimental to my health.


I'm unrelenting simply because your actions are simply unlogical and easily reversible. To be ruthlessly truthful, your arguments that you're making are both transparent and also without foundation. Ethnically you don't have the capability in of yourself to fully accept the fact that people disagree with you; this is proven as you always, ALWAYS respond back to my comments rather than let them go. You can call it your practice of never holding back, but in the same light, these discussions go around a much as the religious discussions that were once had on Ichigos.

I have yet to see any of the community sponsor what you've been trying to do in regards to Neko and Myself, yet we gave you a chance to try out the plan that you said you wanted; even if it was just a summation of what Noir7 and I suggested earlier in the moderation boards with the hidden agenda to extract us from the equation. Why is it that you have yet to come and realize that your plan is a failure and that you cannot force someone to do something they refuse to do?

I'll put the words in your mouth as you would take a round about way to answer this: you don't know, and you care not to know, but you do know that your plan isn't complete and therefore you need to see the closure of it in order to truly move on; and by you moving on, everyone around you will move on, making everything better.


You truly are pitiful. Just like Noir7, I used to appreciate your company and your unique views on topics, but as time moved forward, you changed into some weird all knowing and passive aggressive spiritualist that tries to figure out the answers without fully reading the person underneath, using the guise of "trust me, it will help".

Love the thread name change. Just saying.

Cool, nice little project guys. Can we have the old M back now? But let's keep the new and improved Angelic, he's much nicer.

You truly are pitiful. Just like Noir7, I used to appreciate your company and your unique views on topics, but as time moved forward, you changed into some weird all knowing and passive aggressive spiritualist that tries to figure out the answers without fully reading the person underneath, using the guise of "trust me, it will help".
Aaaaand the gloves are off. =)

Cool, nice little project guys. Can we have the old M back now? But let's keep the new and improved Angelic, he's much nicer.
Agreed. He must be getting tired in his old age, heheh. ;)

Angelic

He doesn't like that.

*roar* I'm angry and such

See, I told you.

I still wonder why Zero is still here. He doesn't add anything, he's just annoying. Is he trying to annoy M and me away from here?

Poor Zero, he used to be such a cool guy but now he's more like a grumpy old man.

I'm curious as to where people like myself fit in all this.
As a person
in their 20's who troll and vent on some sheet music forum who's only here because they've been here since their teens. and someone who is musically challenged, am I not "worthy" of being part of
Ichigo's true target audience?

I think it's important to note, that...as you put it.
Extreme attachment to self, desperation for control and authority - these things don't belong here.
Also applies to you, within this thread we have what I believe to be target audience and "trolls" both express disagreement with your statements. Your need to constantly criticize is perhaps more apparent to me because we've had our differences in the past. Your desire to push ideas of leaving/breaks on others simply showcases your "desperation for control and authority" so like others have before me, I question whether you've applied your logic to yourself or if posts like these are simply well presented and long winded versions of going "QQ u guys are ruining my playground, I don't like it"

The fact that you constantly need to reassure your audience that your being non-emotionally points to how emotional you come off. I realize that since according to some I have no business being on this forum that this post might fall on deaf ears. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if this got buried in jovial posts reminding me of my "importance" but that's a testament only to the accepting and inclusive nature of this community.


"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
-Theodore Roosevelt

The way you make it sounds it's like there's only two kind of people here. Musicians and trolls. I'm not a musician but I try my best not to be a troll either. Unlike people like Zero, who're just here for trolling and being an obnoxious tart who keeps screaming that M and I should leave but can't pull away from these boards himself. M actively tries to add to discussions around here, mostly anime and general stuff related. I try to do the same. So I don't know a thing about music except for the fact that I enjoy listening to it. Is it a crime to be here then? When I joined here this forum was for musicians and anime/game fans. Last time I checked we still have a games/anime forum.

Saying this forum is only for musicians, or for kids who're between 12 and 17 years old... I disagree. I think anyone who enjoys coming here should be welcome, unless they're only here to be a troll.

Here's what I wish for you guys, especially for Angelic and Mies:

I wish for each of you,
To never have to work,
To be able to discover how you would truly love to live,
And have the courage and freedom to live how you would truly love to live,
So instead of wasting your lives, you're able to live fully,
Giving your deepest gifts to your loved ones in absolute ecstasy,
So that when you die, you can die with a smile on your face,
Knowing that you've loved fully, and been fully loved,
With every cell of your body and every part of your heart busted open to the bliss of infinity as you say goodbye to being in a human body,
In every moment of your life.

I wish you'd pull your head out of your rectum tbh. You're given questions and points that need explanation and you come back with that? Your inability or unwillingness to address things is what, at least in my book, proves you a troll.

Here's what I wish for you guys, especially for Angelic and Mies:

I wish for each of you,
To never have to work,
To be able to discover how you would truly love to live,
And have the courage and freedom to live how you would truly love to live,
So instead of wasting your lives, you're able to live fully,
Giving your deepest gifts to your loved ones in absolute ecstasy,
So that when you die, you can die with a smile on your face,
Knowing that you've loved fully, and been fully loved,
With every cell of your body and every part of your heart busted open to the bliss of infinity as you say goodbye to being in a human body,
In every moment of your life.

I'm going to be brutally honest with you on this: Do you think we're suicidal or something? If you were so all knowing about myself, you'd know that my life is fantastic at the moment: having a girlfriend that I'm 90% sure I'm going to ask to marry me in a year, I have a stable and fun job with a high level of security, and I'm also moving forward with my previously thought impossible hobbies (DJ, AI, and General Construction).

I'm pretty sure that if either of us were not living life to it's meaning, we would be perusing a way to make it such as that. Even if it were true, we'd see a Psychiatrist rather than listen to some random cultist that spews nonsense about ascension and spirituality; listing off hilarious undertones of dark intension scattered around the forum (we are living a dead life) and then you going 180 degrees with others. It is laudable, but utterly asinine and hilariously unproductive in such a way that I personally feel that you need to see a Psychologist about your bipolar disorder -- and if you don't have it, I highly suggest you look into having a study performed for you, because you have all the symptoms. Double standards in the way you live and explain life is not healthy, and it's certainly not healthy to be preaching about this under these conditions. Please leave the forums, seek help, and try to realign yourself, for I fear for your mental stability.



I motion to the Staff of Ichigos to Ban Zero from the forums for a duration of time. It was originally my personal opinion a year ago, which is why I stood down from being an Admin on these forums, but now it's my professional opinion of him. It's obvious that he needs some time away to get his act together, for his own mental safety.

^I agree!

This is one of the most bizarre threads I've ever seen. You guys might as well be speaking in different languages.

This is one of the most bizarre threads I've ever seen. You guys might as well be speaking in different languages.

True. And reading through the posts is >_<

@Luis and M: I just to be just like you guys. ;)

@Gotank: That's an accurate perception - we are literally operating on entirely different levels.
My previous post was a test to see whether they will keep operating on the level of judgemental mind-ego (which has no place at Ichigo's), or see the hilarity in the contrast between our tones.

In any case, I've accomplished what I set out to do. You guys have taught me alot about how unaware people are to their own traumas and how uneducated our culture is about it. Some of you may have seen this thread as the epitome of absolute evil and annoyance, attempting to objectify and destroy me, but for me, it was a valuable experiment. In other words, I appreciate you guys for being my test subjects. The experiment has been completed.

Although I still wish for Ichigos to be clear of outdated members who cannot see how they keep Ichigos' door shut, that's no longer a necessity.

With that, I suggest this thread be closed.

@Luis and M: I just to be just like you guys. ;)

@Gotank: That's an accurate perception - we are literally operating on entirely different levels.
My previous post was a test to see whether they will keep operating on the level of judgemental mind-ego (which has no place at Ichigo's), or see the hilarity in the contrast between our tones.

In any case, I've accomplished what I set out to do. You guys have taught me alot about how unaware people are to their own traumas and how uneducated our culture is about it. Some of you may have seen this thread as the epitome of absolute evil and annoyance, attempting to objectify and destroy me, but for me, it was a valuable experiment. In other words, I appreciate you guys for being my test subjects. The experiment has been completed.

Although I still wish for Ichigos to be clear of outdated members who cannot see how they keep Ichigos' door shut, that's no longer a necessity.

With that, I suggest this thread be closed.

And toying with human emotions as an "experiment" is also a symptom of being a sociopath. See this link (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=psychiatrists+near+me). I also find the fact that I reversed one of your arguments -- your brutal honesty -- back on you, and you reacted exactly how I thought you would: Immediate detachment and write off. Not even a rebuttal. Just a red herring to the argument. You don't even digest what we write, you just sense the emotions of the posting and leave it at that.

Also, for even further background, as Zero has so aptly kept this quiet, he has sent out to several members PMs asking for members to attribute his negative traits as to spark animosity towards himself under the guise of this experiment back in November. Congratulations Zero, even though you got nearly zero from your "hand picked" members of your PM, you got a public thread instead. It will forever be in the database of google for you to review whenever you want.

And just for humor, this different level seems to only exist with you, whom is an older member B). Although, I do like the elitist injection of levels as to assert a feeling of someone hosting superiority in our conversations, you still fail to see that you are in conflict of your own archetype, under the satire that this was all a big experiment to ascertain your feelings about human society like you're trying to become some sort of expert in some obscure study of monolithic egoism and generalized trama; of which I know you're just trolling no worse than the many members that came before you and were banned accordingly.

Being a troll is never helpful, but this will certainly be a wonderful entry for you to add to your regular page on Encyclopedia Dramatica under the troll section, or whatever site exists purely for trolls such as yourself to congregate and be a cancer to society.

@Luis and M: I just to be just like you guys.

@Gotank: That's an accurate perception - we are literally operating on entirely different levels.
My previous post was a test to see whether they will keep operating on the level of judgemental mind-ego (which has no place at Ichigo's), or see the hilarity in the contrast between our tones.

In any case, I've accomplished what I set out to do. You guys have taught me alot about how unaware people are to their own traumas and how uneducated our culture is about it. Some of you may have seen this thread as the epitome of absolute evil and annoyance, attempting to objectify and destroy me, but for me, it was a valuable experiment. In other words, I appreciate you guys for being my test subjects. The experiment has been completed.

Although I still wish for Ichigos to be clear of outdated members who cannot see how they keep Ichigos' door shut, that's no longer a necessity.

With that, I suggest this thread be closed.
Sigh. You remind me of myself when I was twelve. Hopefully in a few years, you'll be as embarrassed of your old posts as I am.
You were one of my favorite members on here a little over a year ago, Zero. It's hard to tell someone's real personality with only text to go by, but it seems to me you've become a very sick person. You come off as ridiculously depressed to me.

It'd be silly to say "you need help," since I can't really say I know you, but that's really what it seems like to me.
So, some unsolicited advice from me, which you may or may not already be following:
-Join a gym and exercise every few days!
-Go out with friends at least once a week, even if you don't feel like it!
-Get a hobby, and devote yourself to it. Something you can be proud of! Music?
-Do something that scares the shit out of you every once in awhile. You might find out you enjoy the things you've been avoiding.
-Stay off the internet as much as possible. It's a time sink.

There you go. My "break out of depression in under ninety days!" class. Take it to heart. From where I'm standing, you're starting to become a twisted person, which is unfortunate. You used to be one of my favorite people here, easily. Good luck, heheh!

In fact it wouldn't surprise me if this got buried in jovial posts reminding me of my "importance" but that's a testament only to the accepting and inclusive nature of this community.
Of course you're important, Luis! You're helping to fulfill our ethnic minority quota! Without you here, Ichigos would be in danger of being shut down for racism! O:

I like Neko and M.

You like Neko an M and...?

You like Neko an M and...?

and HopelessComposer and Whiplash and Luis and aznanimedude and Gekkeiju and ChristopherArmalite and HanTony and Kou and Milchh and One_Winged and Phenix and pifish and PorscheGTIII and RD and Thorn and DarkBring and probably a lot of other members that I'm forgetting at the moment.


I used to like Zero but if he doesn't like the people that I like then we can't be friends.

What. The. Heck.

I think we can sum up every one of Zero's counter "arguments" with the following picture:

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/16/128766184236812910.jpg

No matter what you say, he'll try to turn it around to make it seem as if you're the one doing it.

edit: Oh, and because it's no use having a discussion on this, I'm closing this thread.
edit2: someone else beat me to it :o