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June 24th, 2005, 09:36 am
On the writing forum I'm posting at, there are people creating collaborative stories. A few people take turns adding to the story. (One's got finished and a few people and I are editing this into a novel - currently about 171.000 words)

So, I wondered whether this could be done on a composition forum with a composition. Here's how it goes:

I'll start it off by posting a (very) small section.

Anybody who feels inspired can add to it, and post the enhanced version. You can add another layer. You can make it longer. You can do both.

If you decide to work on the piece, please post that you do, so nobody else takes the piece and works on it, too, because then we'd end up with multiple version (which is not a bad thing, but can get confusing really quickly!).

When you're done, you re-post it and wait for others to pick it up.

Even if this never gets finished, it could be an interesting experience. :)

June 24th, 2005, 11:39 am
hahaha . . madmazda started something like this months ago, but it didn't get too far =T

June 24th, 2005, 11:49 am
I started to add another couple of bars onto the end, but my sibelius kept crashing... :hunter: time to troubleshoot the 'varmit...
i will have something soon though

June 24th, 2005, 11:09 pm
Hope you don't mind if I add 4 bars in advance then...

June 25th, 2005, 03:45 am
sounds fun, i think ill have a go at it when theres a little more to the song already.

June 25th, 2005, 05:46 am
I added a few staves hopefully I didnt wreck the whole thing to much. :heh:
??wait... Was I suppose to wait for mystery editor :huh: ?? crap I think I threw off the whole process X_X ..If I did just ignore whatever I added. ^.^

June 25th, 2005, 06:55 am
Hey, don't worry about me. just remember not to screw things up too much, or the song just plain wont work. sounds pretty good so far.

Also, could people write what they used to actually make the MIDI, such as Anvil Studio or, in my case, Sibelius, so there can at least be a little bit of continuity?

June 25th, 2005, 08:02 am
Look, i'm sorry. I wrote a long part, but everything is screwing up, so i'm gonna have to sit this one out. go ahead and write before me, i'll just watch how this goes.

June 25th, 2005, 10:40 am
Looks fun. :P

Okay, I'm adding some stuff now. Gimme a few minutes.

June 25th, 2005, 11:10 am
Hey, this is taking shape. Sounds great! ^_^

Only quibble I've got is: my own stuff sounds kind of thin, now... :heh: I'll see whether I can push that up some time (but don't have time now).

Looking forward to your contribution Stefan. Keep it coming. :D

Mystery Editor, I'm curous about what you wrote, too. Perhaps, you could post it anyway? Re-name it to "this is an alternate universe" or something? :think: I hate to think music that exists goes to waste...

June 25th, 2005, 11:18 am
Eh. This is harder than I thought. :doh:

Managed to do four bars anyway.

June 25th, 2005, 11:41 am
Great work, it's hard isn't? I have trouble adding stuff my own work...

You're all so talented!


Oh, and I've found the thread Al mentioned, it's here (http://forums.ichigos.com/index.php?showtopic=1769&st=0&hl=)

It's worth checking out. :)

June 25th, 2005, 12:53 pm
ok, i'll post what i've done as soon as i can extract it. smart sibelius with stupid viruses...

Update: I managed to get it working again, but there was a little that had to be cut for it to work. Sorry, this is the best i could extract! It doesn't have the rest of the song beforehand, that was the main part that luckily got lost...

June 25th, 2005, 03:52 pm
Here, I've appended the part for you. Also, I added a cadence part to smooth the transition - hope you don't mind :whistle:.

June 25th, 2005, 10:38 pm
Woah! I think you were having the same trouble that I was when I tried to add my part of the song onto the end. Something went really out of time, or, I don't know what. It sounds like the same problem that I had, which means it's probably not just my computer...

June 25th, 2005, 10:56 pm
I managed to fix it up, but thanks to spc1st, it actually worked! Plus the cadence fits just fine in my opinion. Thanks again!

June 26th, 2005, 03:19 am
Although I can't contribute to this project, I just wanted to say that it sounds very impressive so far ^^

June 26th, 2005, 09:10 pm
Great piece Mystery Composer! (glad you posted it, that shouldn't have been lost. :) )

I've just had a closer look at what we have so far. Basically a d-minor scale (with chords from all three minor scales), with a few interesting excursions and modulations. Cohesion accomplished by harmony, rhythm and instruments.

I've played it to my Mom and let her guess how many people had a go at it. She couldn't really make a guess, but was surprised to learn that it was 5 people.


June 26th, 2005, 10:13 pm
It is sounding pretty good. If no one posts with a new part in the next couple of days, i'll have one in reserve, just to keep things moving.

June 27th, 2005, 09:33 pm
Here's my addition. I hope no one else was planning to post one... @_@

June 27th, 2005, 10:30 pm
Thats fine, very nice work! But has anyone else noticed that the BPM has completely steadied out at 120BPM for the whole song? And I think it would help if people would say what they used to make it. I know i'm ranting, but i'm done now

June 27th, 2005, 11:10 pm
I like the new addition, Jolly Green. Nice Mood change :)


About the BPM; I'm using Logic Fun, and I don't know how to do different speeds. That's actually an interesting problem I haven't thought of; the only solution I can think of is setting 120 BPM as the standard speed; I do think what's there sounds nice at that speed.

If that's still a problem, perhaps someone more knowledgeable with midi can set the speed for individual parts?


June 28th, 2005, 01:42 am
What parts did you want the speed to change, because I could probably do it.

June 28th, 2005, 05:48 am
I could do it, but then there is the problem that some of my parts kinda, well die

June 28th, 2005, 08:25 am
Actually, I'm fine the way it is. It's just something I hadn't thought of. :)

June 28th, 2005, 11:43 am
Alright. Should we make a rule that the rest of the song has to be at 120BPM?

June 28th, 2005, 12:00 pm
Sure. And how about a name?

June 28th, 2005, 12:17 pm
hmm... thats a good point... how about delevopents of life?

June 28th, 2005, 01:57 pm
Developments of Life is a nice title. (It's named "Hope this grows", because I hoped that it grew... hehe, I'm not good with titles... :heh: )

Also agree with setting speed standard to 120.

June 28th, 2005, 10:27 pm
Ok, its set then

June 29th, 2005, 12:15 am
Alright! Developments of Life! I can't wait to hear the next part! XD

June 29th, 2005, 02:54 am
And if you think about it, "Developments of Life" is somewhat related to "Hope This Grows" XD Er, that is, if you're into metaphors and such, yeah ._. don't mind me ^^

June 29th, 2005, 05:29 am
right... who wants to do the next part? i might, but i wont have time for a while

June 29th, 2005, 12:26 pm
Am I allowed to do it twice in a row? If so, I'd be happy to.

June 29th, 2005, 12:31 pm
I was wondering the same thing. mabye just keep one in the ranks, and if anyone doesn't post one, just do it. I'm kinda busy with an RP mission, and i have school, so yeah

Zucriy Amsuna
June 29th, 2005, 03:46 pm
I like the idea, and the song is great so far! :D At its current state, it can be continuous right now. From right at the end to the beginning. So this piece is practically complete! XD For a videogame, it would be.

If only it was possible for me to do this... (I can't even put my compositions on the computer! -_- )

June 29th, 2005, 07:55 pm
Would it be possible for you to post sheet music? Then one of us could do the midi (you'll hear it first, of course, before it's implemented.)

June 29th, 2005, 08:54 pm
I don't want to mess this up :lol: but good luck guys, sounds great so far :)

Zucriy Amsuna
June 30th, 2005, 04:19 pm
Originally posted by Dawnstorm@Jun 29 2005, 07:55 PM
Would it be possible for you to post sheet music? Then one of us could do the midi (you'll hear it first, of course, before it's implemented.)
I can't do that, either. -_-

July 2nd, 2005, 05:38 am
<s>If no one else is working on it right now, I could do another addition. :)</s>

EDIT: Okay, here&#39;s another one. Hope you don&#39;t mind me making use of an empty channel to add a piano part. :heh: (If not, feel free to disregard it)

Wait - we are allowed to contribute more than once, aren&#39;t we? :unsure:

July 2nd, 2005, 09:09 am
That&#39;s a gorgeous addition&#33; :D

Anything goes, this is about creativity.

Originally posted by Zucriy Amsuna
I can&#39;t do that, either.

Well... then you&#39;re welcome to... listen. ^_^

(&#39;Cos I can&#39;t think of any other solution. -_- )

July 2nd, 2005, 11:09 am
It is sounding good. I cant wait to see where it goes&#33; (i feel so lazy not adding anything to it, though...)

July 2nd, 2005, 07:23 pm
Does anyone mind if I do the next part?

July 2nd, 2005, 08:01 pm
Go ahead&#33;

July 2nd, 2005, 09:06 pm
Just a short addition by me. I think you&#39;ll notice that the composition has turned from a minor key to a major key, from despair to prospering. It really is like developments of life in a way. It starts out as dark and imposing. But it eventually flourishes into a piece with grace and beauty. Such is a being&#39;s journey through life, gathering wisdom and character as it grows. Don&#39;t mind me though, I think about it too much. I hope you like my new part and the direction the song has taken. ^_^

July 2nd, 2005, 11:32 pm
ALRIGHT&#33;&#33;&#33; This is getting better and better. Does anyone else see a finale coming up?

July 3rd, 2005, 04:48 am
A finale already? Let&#39;s make it grow to at least 10 minutes. :torch:

July 3rd, 2005, 12:16 pm
I know, but it just seems like the right kind of thing. We could have movements, like a sonata, but interesting :P

July 3rd, 2005, 01:00 pm
A sonata would be better to do with 3-4 people. Everyone composes a movement that differs in style, rhythm and melody, but is held together by subject and style.

July 3rd, 2005, 01:04 pm
I agree that it should be done by only 3 or 4 people, but then where would be the variety? I meant more in the sense that it had different movements in the different styles, as opposed to how a sonata in actually written

July 4th, 2005, 05:06 am
i want to try but i dont think it would be good enough

July 4th, 2005, 06:34 pm
I know how you feel, Badgerglue. Listen to the first two bars; their mine. Everything that comes after is soo much better. I din&#39;t dare add anything anymore either, but I&#39;m learning a lot in this thread.

I wonder wether the timid among us (You, I, Matt Chan, and the occasional lurker(?)) should just give it a go (I, for one, wouldn&#39;t mind if the talent in here would work it over so it sounds better or fits better)?


July 5th, 2005, 02:06 am
Well, though I also hope this keeps going for a bit more, this addition has a sort of a conclusion, if no one wants to add on anymore.

July 11th, 2005, 11:12 pm
I guess no one wants to add anymore. That&#39;s a shame. Whatever happened to wanting it to last 10 minutes long? Do I have to add another part to get it going again? Feedback please, people.

July 11th, 2005, 11:16 pm
i want to add another part, but i&#39;m busy at the moment. i&#39;ll see if i can keep it going. i&#39;m sure there are others out there that just don&#39;t know about it

EDIT: it would be good if you could add a part in as well

July 13th, 2005, 09:54 am
I like the new part.

Wouldn&#39;t worry too much if people are taking breaks, just push it to the top when it threatens to disappear and be patient. :)

I doubt I&#39;ll add something myself; this piece has gone way above my composition abilities. ^_^

July 13th, 2005, 10:35 am
ok, i&#39;ll think about adding onto it. no one minds the risk that the previous parts may possibly kill themselves a little?

July 14th, 2005, 11:44 pm
Maybe you should look into your whole Sibelius situation. To me, it souns very buggy and unpredictable. I&#39;ve never used it myself, so I don&#39;t know what you could possibly do about it. :heh:

July 14th, 2005, 11:51 pm
nah, it works heaps well, but it likes to change the parts and so they are in range. but it think someone else has already done that buggering up thing that was happening, even by accident, so there wouldn&#39;t be a change if i did a new part. i&#39;ll see what i can do, assignment due in 3 days, and i&#39;m only half way through my sonata&#33;

July 15th, 2005, 06:58 am
Hi, just chiming in to say that I&#39;ve saved all attachments to my hard-drive. When the conversion is through (see Gand&#39;s sticky post), I&#39;ll repost them. While, technically, all we really need is the last file, it would be nice to have a "complete" thread. I think...

July 16th, 2005, 12:47 am
i have them all saved as well, i think, so people can re-edit their posts and attach them again later :)

July 17th, 2005, 10:04 am
I just tried to append all the files, and realised I can't edit other people's post. Of course. I'm not a mod... :heh:

What we really need is the last one, though. :)

July 17th, 2005, 03:54 pm
Well, here it is. :P I can't add anything right now; I'm away from my own computer.

July 20th, 2005, 03:14 pm
Wow. The first 1 and a half minutes really sounds like a banjo-kazooie song! Stylin'! The sound quality of the instruments would be too much for my music writing program to handle. :( (In other words if I put something in there, you'd get rubbish sounding instruments.)

July 20th, 2005, 06:52 pm
Wow. The first 1 and a half minutes really sounds like a banjo-kazooie song! Stylin'! The sound quality of the instruments would be too much for my music writing program to handle. :( (In other words if I put something in there, you'd get rubbish sounding instruments.)

I don't understand... Midi is just a set of instructions; the sound quality depends on your soundcard and possible software synthesiser. I doubt you'd mess anything up.

Why not try and see how it goes? :)

July 20th, 2005, 07:28 pm
Wow. The first 1 and a half minutes really sounds like a banjo-kazooie song! Stylin'!
That's exactly what I was thinking. It was Dawnstorm who came up with the initial melody, and I thought it was excellent. You should stop belittling your obvious nack for music, Dawnstorm, and consider adding more! B)

July 20th, 2005, 08:46 pm
I'll try it when I come back from holiday if I have time. ^_^

July 21st, 2005, 02:36 am
I think i want to work on it too! instead of changing the time, can i just use some math to figure out the modified note values in order to create the illusion of a time change? or would that still count as a time change?

July 21st, 2005, 10:29 am
You should stop belittling your obvious nack for music, Dawnstorm, and consider adding more! B)

Hehe, thanks, perhaps you're right.

Although, I don't really think I'm belittleing my nack for music. I think I'm good at harmony, and okay with melody and rhythm. But I find it terribly difficult make intricate arrangements; and I have little sense for transitions, endings, that kind of thing...

So, I have no problem starting off something like this. Coming up with something simple, yet interesting, I think, is my strength. But expanding on it, and varying it isn't so much a speciality of mine (look at my composition thread, and you'll know what I'm talking about :heh: ). Actually, one of the hidden reason why I started this thread is that I might learn more about that. I'm not disappointed. :D

Perhaps, I'll give it a try when I feel comfortable enough with my skills.

I'll try it when I come back from holiday if I have time.

I think i want to work on it too! instead of changing the time, can i just use some math to figure out the modified note values in order to create the illusion of a time change? or would that still count as a time change?

That should work, I think, as long as you end up at a bar. :)

Q: are you talking aboute actual note values (up to 1/32) or perhaps about midi-noteavalues (up to a 1/240)? The latter would be way too complicated I feel; in that case I think you could just try inserting a time change (but don't forget to change it back to the standard 120.00 at the end of your part).


*Looking forward to new additions, and starting to think about one myself...***


August 7th, 2005, 12:08 am
Would it be ok if i started on the next movement, or do we want to continue with this one?

August 12th, 2005, 12:19 pm
I don't really care, as long as you add something. This topic's been dead for a while now.

August 12th, 2005, 12:39 pm
true. i'll start work on it