personally, i really dislike how people are racist and sexist. i mean, you don't see white dogs and black dogs killing each other because of their color. and sexism, how people say that woman are good for nothing but cooking, cleaning, and pleasing.

what are your views on it?

im good at cooking..........Dog wars...That would make a good movie....

I think sexist and racist people are ignorant

Sexism and racism... -_- I believe we are all equal. Boys are not better than girls, and girls are not better than boys. (That annoyed me a lot.)

Black people are no different than white people except the way they look. Never judge a book by its cover. And nobody is better than anybody else. That reminds me: Animal Farm (a book). "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." Therefore, "equal" doesn't exist. People who think like that...idiots. -_-

The KKK are one of my most hated groups of people. They get away with it saying it's a religion! :what: :angry:

That's about all I have to say on the subject. Everything else, I either can't think of it now or I just don't want to say it. (Nice subject, too. I thought about this a few times before...)

You know whats funny? I have a friend who's a girl and she thinks that girls should be the dominant gender of the world. She doesn't want men and women to be equal, she wants women to over power men and she has all these theories on why it is going to happen. Its wierd.

Sexism and Racism, what are your views on it?

Why do I have a feeling that we won't get an open discussion on this topic? XD

hmmm its a sensitive area for loads. i think racism more than sexism. im mixed race as a few people here know, but i dont see how black people can turn round to each other and be like yo whats up my nigger and a white person cant say the same thing. also i see alot of stuff on t.v mainly black comedy where they take the piss out of white people alot. yet if white people were to do the same they'd get done for racism. so really no matter how you look at it its still racism but against the white people now. I use the fact of me being mixed to deliberately rip into both sides of my race. lol people still rip into me by calling me confused, pick a mix, inbred. i call myself hovis, best of both B)

I dont agree with either- anything a man can do a woman can do, anything a woman can do, a man can do. the only difference between a man and a woman is the genitalia and the fact a man cant give birth. Other than that, they both have two legs, two hands. a mouth, a nose and two eyes and a brain. therefore they are perfectly capable of doing the same things, therefore are no better than each other.

same goes for race

Erm, shouldnt this be in general discussion. Sexism and Racism isnt exactly a light topic

:blink: ...i don't know. i just picked a place and stuck it there. i wasn't really paying attention. and i agree with thorn.

I hate both. Merely because I don't understand it.

Well seeing that I'm a different Race than any of my friends (I'm Asian) we joke around about it, like I call them white trash and they call me a smelly Asian it's all cool between us. But when you tell jokeslike that ment to hurt someone of a different race that is just bull5#17 just because you aren't the minority and aren't being made fun of for your race doesn't meen you can!

As for sexism, that I cannot tolorate! if I hear anyone bad mouthing the opposite sex (mainly guys ragging on girls) I go up and chew their 455 out! nothing justifies you for not showing respect for a woman! NOTHING!

see ya later

I totally hate racism. That stuff that has been going on in my country (Germany) during the Nazi-regime MUST NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!
I'm against sexism, too. The discrimination of females in many countries in this world is intolerable. There isn't discrimination of females just in the islamic states, such things happen in Europe or in the USA as well. And I hate it, that boys are always discriminated by the teachers in school.

Racism is a dangerous subject and because of that there sometimes exist barriers between people of different races because communicating is so difficult due to the fact that you are afraid of offending the other person of another race.

Sexism is not really that obvious in my country. So no comments.

there is soooo much racism in my school....it's mostly white ppl, then blacks, then mexicans. so the whites dish on the mexicans and asians. sometimes the african americans.

as for sexism, the guys treat the girls like trash.

there is soooo much racism in my school....it's mostly white ppl, then blacks, then mexicans. so the whites dish on the mexicans and asians. sometimes the african americans.

as for sexism, the guys treat the girls like trash

That's bull crap! If I were there I would make a stand for all the Asians in the school! *gets in fighter stance*

YES! *high fives*

same thing in martial arts...even some of the instructors at tournaments are sexist!!! how aweful is that!? he said that i was a girl and not strong enough to take on my opponent so he maid me drop out of the round! it made me sooooo mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ranting:

since we r on this topic. i have one thing to say: racsim will always exist because there is always some one who is a jack ass. same for sexism.

i agree. it's a shame ppl turn out that way. :think:

ok.. racism and sexist people are stupid!!!

and like... for sexist.. like.. i dont think girls are lower class or anything... like.. i dont think they are only there to cook and clean.. thats just stupid!!!! its only prerequisite XD (hope i made sense)
anywayz.. umm.. like.. the other day my cousin was talking to me and me bro and other cousins about how girls are treated like crap...
she said like "howcom our government people are always male".... and to me in my mind.. i think that really, girls dont make THAT effort to get all that far...
there are lotsa females out there that get very far and there are those who just sit and complain about how they dont have any power...
well look at oprah!!! she has lotsa power!!!

all im saying is... for those who complaign about stuff... well.. you need to act on it... erhh...
im making no sense.. just ignore me -_-

there are lotsa females out there that get very far and there are those who just sit and complain about how they dont have any power...
well look at oprah!!! she has lotsa power!!!

LOL, Oprah only has a popular talkshow. If you put it that way Britney Spears and Madonna also have a lot of power. Looking at the US, I'd say Hilary Clinton is a good example of a woman who kicked it far. If it wasn't for the fact that over half of the US population (read: 51%) consists of backwards thinking hicks I'd say Hilary for president in 2008.

Let me do this one at a time:

(1) Racism- I personally do not like racism and racists, because of the fact that all men are created equal. I do joke around with my friends sometimes and play the racist, but it's all in fun. Secondly, I really have no room to talk. I am a mixed race person, and my family lineage extends across the world. (Even Africa...) That means that when I "hate" on a European person, I am hating on myself, and so on for all the others. However, there is a flaw in that system, because I am not Asian in any way. Technically, I could hate on you guys if I wanted to, but Asians are freakin' awesome! So, that is how I keep myself from being racist. I also follow the Golden Rule (which is generally the same for most religions), which states that you should " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." I know that I wouldn't want to be hated on because of my race, so I avoid doing it to others... Now, about others who are racist, I have to say this: Their actions have no effect on my own, so, let them sink into their own ignorance. Their time will come... That about covers that... On to the next part...

(2) Sexism- I believe that sexism is ridiculous. Just because you are a female, or a male, does not make you superior to the opposite gender. Some men say that women only exist to do things for their man. Not true, women can do whatever the hell the want, and then some. The same thing with men. We can do whatever te hell we want, and we shouldn't be held by the boundaries of an ignorant society, which feeds all kinds of crap into our brains on a daily basis... Also, some people say that women are weaker than men. Again, not true. Generally, what a woman lacks in physical strength, she makes up for in mental strength. There are even some rare women who are physically stronger than a lot of men... But however, there are exceptions to every rule, so perhaps there are weak women out there. But for every weak woman, there is one weak man, and that is how nature balances itself out...

In conclusion, there is no reason whatsoever for ANYONE to be racist or sexist, and those who are need a life... Because everyone on this Earth is equal. We may not be identical, but yes we ARE equal. That is one thing that cannot be changed by anybody but us. It is our job as humans to make sure that equality never perishes at the hands of those who would seek to destroy it.

That is all I have to say...

:mellow: :mellow: :mellow: ....*jumps up and claps* THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL!!!!! :D

Thanks... ^_^

this guy once asked me if it was blurry when i looked at things because i was asian...i mean, my eyes aren't even that small!!! and then he tells me some innapropriate stuff about him liking asian girls...and what he'd like to do to this asian. disgusting.

O_O"

well.. i have a couple asian friends that weirdly enough hate asians...
so really.. they dont like themselves for the matter... its weird really...

but nah... the way they explained it to me... is that they dont like asians acting really foby and being all TB and stuff... so yeah... but anywayz...

That sounds... nasty... you really should stay away from that guy...

About the eye thing, I actually have "large" eyes... but I say it helps me see better... :lol:

(excuse me for going off topic...)
That's another thing I find stupid! People judge others based on their appearances. That's why people have become so vain! cause if they aren't, then everyone else won't shut the hell up about how they look! I mean, geez people. I prefer people to look as original as possible, meaning no make-up, etc. But since everyone else likes the "pretty ones", a lot of really pretty faces are hidden by tons of make-up, which can make a person look worse than before...

*starts ranting about something, but is too lazy to type it in...*

.... :huh: .... :o WAAAA!?!?!? :/ =_=

I am just gonna say that it was mostly self explanatory, and just for a future note, it's not a good idea to get me started on threads that express opinion... LEARN!!!

I am very sorry, but I can't help myself... I have issues... Also, sorry if i sound like a smart-ass, but I'm tired and annoyed... not by you...

*out of pure boredom decides to join in*

won't say much about sexists, probably because extremist groups would call me one, on the other hand, others would consider it to be 'gentlemanship'. (really, i don't see how 'can i hold that heavy box for you' to your neighbour when she's moving in can be offensive, she just looks at me and says 'what.. you think i can't hold it because i'm a girl?') *shakes head* oversensitive people.. really, this sexism thing is getting stupid.

Racism does have a place in its own. (wait a minute and read on before you call me an asshole, I just deleted about 8000 character length essay on why racism sucks then realised something)

Hating a whole bunch of people over a general stereotype.. stupid, pointless, and definitely not right, but say..

You don't like people with three arms. Now there's a whole race of people called stubbyarms who have the genes that make A GOOD LOT OF THEM have three arms. You've met a fair bunch of these stubbyarms people and you don't like any of them. Now you're about to see another, but this stubbyarm only has two arms. Even so, you still can't help but not like this guy. Not as bad as the other stubbyarms, but you're just that little uncomfortable when this guy's around.

If some guy hates other people for having dark skin/slanted eyes/whatever then they can't help it. Racism is just another sort of personality problem. Therefore, I suddenly came to a conclusion that racists are no different from people who hate 'all lazy people, anyone with a joined eyebrow, anyone who stutters' etc.

Personally, I hate guys that strut around the street like they own it and talk tough.
I'm not a racist because this characteristic isn't unique to a race, but heck.. wouldn't it become racism is suddenly there's a whole race of them? (oh wait a minute.. there already is, Jocks)


Go have a think about it, whats the difference between hating a general trait between all humans and hating a trait that is mostly specific to a race? Humans shouldn't have even been split into races from start anyway.. That that Racial off Racially prejudiced.

Sexism: I think women and men should be equal but actually girls are the stronger gender. Men don't communicate a lot but women do. Men have a lot more inhibitions than women but women generally fight more between each other in social stuff.

Racism: I've been the victim of it. Tends to be the people who think they are "cool" but are really just stupid. There are a lot of ignorant people out there although sometimes, certain races do bring up stereotypes upon themselves.


That's bull crap! If I were there I would make a stand for all the Asians in the school! *gets in fighter stance*

Although it seems the right thing to do, it actually makes the situation worse. You're just provoking them to continue with it. I did that once and nothing came out of it. The best way to cut out racism is to be friends with them. That makes them see that their views are wrong and that they can become more tolerant of other races. Don't rush into violence. That's just stooping as low as the racists themselves.

the biggest problem most people have is looking at other people's differences rather than their similarities. i try not to be like everybody else because it just bugs me, there is a rave at my school, all the white ppl are hating on the mexicans. the mexicans are the "rapists" and the whites think they're the boss of the school. whatever they say goes and they're the best race. i'm not saying everyone is like that but a lot of them are.

there is soooo much racism in my school....as for sexism, the guys treat the girls like trash.
You can't do anything about it. As far as I'm concerned, all schools have racism and sexism. Try talking them out of it, won't work. Try beating them up, won't work. They'll never change. That's the way life is. Most people are just like that. Most Mexicans hate Asians (especially Chinese, Japanese, and Filipinos/Filipinas). Americans to African Americans.

personally, i really dislike how people are racist and sexist. i mean, you don't see white dogs and black dogs killing each other because of their color. and sexism, how people say that woman are good for nothing but cooking, cleaning, and pleasing.

what are your views on it?
Thats because dogs arent as ignorant as most humans can be. I dispise these types of acts and just the thought of it disgusts me. In class in school i hate the part about kristallnacht(sp?) and the racism against black people in america. I get so mad and upset for days I'd rather not go through it. It makes me feel so bad that people would want to murder another over the color of there skin. In that point of view we should also hate those with different blood types. Were all the same. No matter what.

Personally, I hate guys that strut around the street like they own it and talk tough.
I'm not a racist because this characteristic isn't unique to a race, but heck.. wouldn't it become racism is suddenly there's a whole race of them? (oh wait a minute.. there already is, Jocks)

i'm confused by that comment.


well i think everyone has summed up what is on my mind so theres no need to repeat it.

although a while back i was guilty of spreading the flames of racism in the heat of the moment, which i regret. You may read about it if you wish.


A few weeks ago, me and a few pals were walking through a movie parking lot at 2:00am. These punk skater kids(as much as i hate to stereotype them) started uttering racials slurs(chink, etc..) and swearing at us. We were/are a solid 2+ years older than them so naturally we let puberty take it's course and not whoop there ass'. But apparently they thought they thought because we were asian and they're in a bigger possy they could do whatever they felt they were obligated to do. So after about a good while of taking some harassment and trying to avoid it, i say to my friend, "hey don't you feel sorry for retarded kids?". One kid then replies "stfu, asians are like a disease, once they land somewhere it's hard to get rid of them". Obviously infuriated by the comment i say "haha, i guess you're right, we've taken over Vancouver, and taken your jobs since you caucasians are so lazy." Another funny looking kid then says "Yah congrats, 3$ an hour isn't a job. How about i pay you 4$ an hour to suck my #$%^". my friend replies "sorry we're not gay and you don't have 4 dollars because we have your jobs". Trying to find a crappy resolute without a comeback they tried to fight us. Luckily my female friend had bear repellent(pepper spray) on her which scared them off. Saved by the woman :heh:

That's bull crap! If I were there I would make a stand for all the Asians in the school! *gets in fighter stance*
-Agrees with this person-

As much as I hate to admit it, I think there's a little bit of the racist in all of us. We cannot become truly colorblind; anyone who claims to be free of racial prejudices is deceiving himself/herself. After all, the races are not all the same. They are certainly "equal," but definitely not "identical." There are inherent cultural differences, and when different races meet, value systems conflict. Asian culture DOES tend to value math and science over art, and apparently American culture promotes creative thinking over tradition. Therefore, there is SOME truth in stereotypes.

In addition, is "racism" necessarily a bad thing? Yes, thinking that someone is inferior because of race is very bad; however, thinking that someone is different because of race is not. After all, don't we use other cues to tell what some people are like? If we find out someone is left-handed, aren't we inclined to assume they have some creative skills? How is something with biological backing different from something with historical backing?

Especially frustrating is this idea of "racial profiling." In my opinion, it's a great idea. Imagine what it would be like if police weren't allowed to identify potential suspects by skin color or other race-specific physical attributes. We'd have to hope that the suspect had some sort of birthmark or something, as it'd be the only way to identify him/her. Similarly, if people of a particular race are more likely to commit a crime, doesn't it make sense to screen them more often? I mean, if we're looking for Islamic extremists, why on earth are we screening 80-year-old Irish nuns? (It really did happen, according to Time magazine.) Even more, doesn't using race in this manner actually reduce the distinctions we make using race? By placing race on the same level as birthmarks, scars, and clothing, we are actually admitting that differences in race aren't important to the people themselves but rather are just convenient physical designations.

OK, that was a little incoherent, but I hope I've made my point at least somewhat clearly...

Everything you said is true. I mean there is a bit of racism in me just like everybody else does.

:cry: this thread is so old...i thought it got deleted.

^ I've never seen it before...

I'm all for women having equal rights and such, but feminists get on my nerves.

...and the whites think they're the boss of the school. whatever they say goes and they're the best race. i'm not saying everyone is like that but a lot of them are.

Ah, Reverse-Racism, thou showest thyself a most antipathic foe!

Is anybody else tired of walking into a KFC, or Popeye's, and having to wait twenty minutes just to order because of all the goddamn black people there? We need to do something about this, like an internet petition or something.

Seriously, Whiplash? Can't we at least be constructive?

Also, holy five years batman.

All you whites do is make online petitions.
I'm both racist and sexist and I can't always hide such points about me because various reasons I'll not bother mentioning.

If you're not actually going to contribute by digging up a thread from the stone age, please don't bother.

If you're not actually going to contribute by digging up a thread from the stone age, please don't bother.
Does making me lol count as contributing? =D

Personally, I think there are definitely differences between the races, even if they're small ones. I don't think that's any reason to treat anyone differently based on their race, though. After you know them, anyway. More than half the people in prison in the US are black, even though they only make up about ten percent of the population. I guess it only makes sense to watch your stuff more closely around them?

Edit: My math is definitely broken...

The problem with Racism and Sexism is that everyone is trying to think about equality of the other rather than rights. Should there be a problem with a Caucasian making a joke about an African when in front of a group of Africans? No. But people are always attesting to deny that which they are. Most Africans would say "You're saying that because I'm Black" in situations such as that. Just mentioning house wife can anger many females seeking out something to break the mold.

To walk hand-in-hand in the future is not about superiority or about equality, but instead is sent by embracing that which a person is and respecting another's opinion. No matter what Ethnicity, Race, or Sex they appear to be. This cannot be done by constantly checking how you express yourself, but by changing how you ultimately see another person.

The problem with Racism and Sexism is that everyone is trying to think about equality of the other rather than rights. Should there be a problem with a Caucasian making a joke about an African when in front of a group of Africans? No. But people are always attesting to deny that which they are. Most Africans would say "You're saying that because I'm Black" in situations such as that. Just mentioning house wife can anger many females seeking out something to break the mold.

To walk hand-in-hand in the future is not about superiority or about equality, but instead is sent by embracing that which a person is and respecting another's opinion. No matter what Ethnicity, Race, or Sex they appear to be. This cannot be done by constantly checking how you express yourself, but by changing how you ultimately see another person.

And bingo was his name-o.

Does making me lol count as contributing? =D

Personally, I think there are definitely differences between the races, even if they're small ones. I don't think that's any reason to treat anyone differently based on their race, though. After you know them, anyway. More than half the people in prison in the US are black, even though they only make up about ten percent of the population. I guess it only makes sense to watch your stuff more closely around them?

Edit: My math is definitely broken...

Of course, you could try to ask yourself the question: why are so many in jail?

Because of racism, black people in the US can't get good jobs, good education etc. Because of that, many of them end up being a criminal. Because so many are criminal, it's harder for them to get a job, education etc, and because of that... you see where I'm going?

It's a vicious circle that's very hard to break out of, especially in the USA where racism against black people has been around for so long and is rooted deep within the minds of the general public. Keep in mind the black people originally were slaves to serve the white people.

It's a bit too easy to just say "Many black people are in jail so black people are genetically determined to be criminals". It doesn't work that way.

Hm... I know a lot of black people. A lot of them are not on the right path, and I also know a few that most people would consider an "oreo." There is this thing with black people: they have the mentality that if they get a job and pull their pants up that, it's selling themselves out. Not to mention their extremely rude attitude at their jobs (Might I add this is totally different than having a bad day...rarely do I get a person who is a minority, or even a white teenager/punk, who is at all nice at their job).

I've heard it from them before. I'm not saying that black people are doomed to be poor or criminals, but saying that the majority of black people in the U.S. are on the lower end of the totem pole because of racism is just wrong -- either they are born into poverty and low-income, which is a bitch and I can relate to that, or they just don't give a damn.

When I took the PSAT at my high school (and quite a lot of blacks and other minorities attend it, I should add) there was a spot on the test where it said if you were an African-American that you could check the box and become very eligible for a whole mess of scholarships. I looked around the room and saw that there was one black person (who I knew...and was joked for being the "White Black kid") taking the test... out of ~90 white kids. My hometown was predominantly white about 15 years ago, but many of the people from Milwaukee (all minorities; ~80% blacks) moved here to Waukesha to get away from the inner-city (its a project...can't remember exactly what it was called at the moment) and guess what happened? Crime rates sky-rocketed and so did gang-related activity. You never would have heard some like a stabbing at a fast food resturante before all this happened (which did happen just a few weeks ago).

I mentioned Milwaukee; you can't go without a day of watching the news and hearing about people being shot, stabbed, injured or killed (not to mention gang speculation) -- every night...and several shootings take place all week. And 90% of the time when this is covered, it has to do with the black population. The Latinos and Hispanics, not as much, however whites are also in these numbers too (not every race is innocent, is what I am talking about).

Now, I am not saying that it's a genetic thing and I'm not saying that it's because of racism either. In my experience of living in my hometown and actually TALKING with black people that are not doing so well, it's because of their attitude (as mentioned before). Most of the time, these numbers of people (poverty or low-income...sometimes even middle-class!) just does not care. And to an even bigger problem, this whole generation (at least I know in the 'States) has the not caring attitude about stuff, extremely lazy and ass-ish.

I just wanted to respond to this because once someone starts saying the US does this and that, I'd like to give a first-hand experience :| Hope I gave a little bit more to the discussion.

EDIT: And I just wanted to add (because it usually ends up being that I have to cover my tracks...) that what I am saying IS NOT THE "TRUTH." Who knows, it might be, but I am not saying that it is-- I am only giving my speculation and opinion. :)

Lol. What the fuck Angelic. It isn't 1960 anymore. "Because of racism, black people can't get good jobs, good education" is utter bullshit. There are several anti-discrimination/equal employment opportunity laws in place. Black people are perfectly capable of getting a good education and a good job. There is no widespread racial discrimination held by the general public against black people anymore. Stereotypes? Definitely. But not discrimination.

The reason there is such a high criminal rate in black people is because of the negative influence instilled by their ancestors, as well as the media. As Mazeppa said, it usually has to do with being born into a poverty stricken home. All these kids know is that their daddy got shot or went to jail, and that their mom is a crack whore. They think being gangster is "cool" and end up in the same system as their parents. There is this same problem in the UK with chavs and the gutter-rat population. While true, black people were basically forced into poverty due to racial discrimination in the past, today it is a totally different day and age. The only reason a black person becomes unsuccessful is due to the choice that they themselves make, not because they were racially discriminated against. As Mazeppa said, the youth in poverty-stricken areas just have a "I don't give a shit attitude". The problem these days isn't racial discrimination. If anything, that's just a false excuse black people give themselves so that they can "not give a shit".

Yes, and I did forget to mention the impact that the media and influence from ancestors have. It really is quite ridiculous... :|

Lol. What the fuck Angelic. It isn't 1960 anymore.
Stuff that happened 50 years ago (less than one generation ago) still has consequences for people today.


"Because of racism, black people can't get good jobs, good education" is utter bullshit. There are several anti-discrimination/equal employment opportunity laws in place. There is no widespread racial discrimination held by the general public against black people anymore.

Racism doesn't just go away just because the government tells people it's bad.


The reason there is such a high criminal rate in black people is because of the negative influence instilled by their ancestors, as well as the media. As Mazeppa said, it usually has to do with being born into a poverty stricken home.

This only confirms my first point in this post


They think being gangster is "cool" and end up in the same system as their parents.

That's a cultural thing though, not a racial thing now is it?


There is this same problem in the UK with chavs and the gutter-rat population.

Ah, thanks for proving my point since chavs generally aren't black.


While true, black people were basically forced into poverty due to racial discrimination in the past, today it is a totally different day and age.

And you really think that just disappears within a single generation? I think not. Just putting a taboo on something doesn't automatically remove it from the thoughts of the general public. That takes time. A long time.


As Mazeppa said, the youth in poverty-stricken areas just have a "I don't give a shit attitude". The problem these days isn't racial discrimination. If anything, that's just a false excuse black people give themselves so that they can "not give a shit".

Again, that's a cultural thing, not a racial thing. It probably has more to do with the fact that they're poor than the fact that they're black. Like I said, racism several decades ago is one of the main reasons that they are poor today. Hell, maybe they did care at one point but then realised that if you're born poor you have very little chance of ever changing that.



Anyway, this is getting out of proportion.

Personally, I think there are definitely differences between the races, even if they're small ones. I don't think that's any reason to treat anyone differently based on their race, though. After you know them, anyway. More than half the people in prison in the US are black, even though they only make up about ten percent of the population. I guess it only makes sense to watch your stuff more closely around them?

My original point was, race has nothing to do whether or not someone is likely to become a criminal.

My college suffered from reverse racism \o.

You know, where the Minority got better treatment than the Majority for the sake of their race. And that so-called affirmative action thing that's supposed to couter act racism in schools and other government establishments: they're also reverse racists.

My college suffered from reverse racism \o.

You know, where the Minority got better treatment than the Majority for the sake of their race. And that so-called affirmative action thing that's supposed to couter act racism in schools and other government establishments: they're also reverse racists.

THAT is my whole life thus far. Be it racism, social standing, education level and even on medical basis.

My original point was, race has nothing to do whether or not someone is likely to become a criminal.

And my original point was that racism is no longer an issue, which, by your previous post you seemed to disagree with since you said,
"Because of racism, black people in the US can't get good jobs, good education etc. Because of that, many of them end up being a criminal. Because so many are criminal, it's harder for them to get a job, education etc, and because of that... you see where I'm going?"
Which simply is no longer true. The youth in poverty today, regardless of race, simply don't give a shit and blame their parents as an excuse instead of doing something about it themselves (which they are fully capable of, as M said, in many cases, they actually have the advantage being a minority.) Which was what I was leaning towards about chavs. Black people aren't the only ones poverty stricken, and they have no right to use racial discrimination as an excuse to just give up and live a life of crime.

I have a different approach to this racism that's been discussed from the top of this page. Since we are talking about black being poor and what not... music and sports are two very big factors in African American culture... in any culture as a matter of fact.

Take basketball for instance. Basketball players make millions of money. why? well... healthy basketball players are good(better) basketball players, but that's besides the point (I forgot to mention that there are many black people in the NBA). The point is... racism comes from stereotypes, as someone suggested earlier. that said... racism is simply hating someone for whatever the reason they can dig from, primarily from distinguishing the color differences. Usually the hatred comes from experience. Someone might have gotten mugged by a black person... that someone, then have a choice... 'Do I hate that Black guy who mugged me? Or do I hate every Black man from now on?' And that becomes a more elaborated excuse to the point of, 'Do I hate the Black women for having the same color skin as that black guy who mugged me?' Who knows.... it could be, 'Do I hate that black guy? Meh... He's lucky Kobe Bryant is black...'

All I'm saying is racism is slowly dying... only because it is so.... primitive. we got words like stereotype and discrimination that does all the things the racism can do, but more.

The real problem is that all the Class 2 nations are starting to transition to Class 3, so there's a whole series of sexism and racism problems that are welling up around the globe. Like in South Africa, India, Taiwan, and France.

The real problem is that all the Class 2 nations are starting to transition to Class 3, so there's a whole series of sexism and racism problems that are welling up around the globe. Like in South Africa, India, Taiwan, and France.

what does that mean? does that mean we're better than them, since we've been there and done that? does that mean we can look down upon them for they are latter compare to us? hahaha. how racist...

This is just a standard Human Geography classifcation. It's easiest to explain the terms directly...

Class 1 is a nation that's just been formed and has a working, but unorganized government -- comparable to Old Monarchy. The population growth is high, and the economic growth is low. A Class 2 nation is one that's undergoing economic reform and the population is growing at a linear rate. When a Class 2 enters Class 3, the Economic and Population growth explode exponentially, driving the country into prosperity. During this stage, most of social reform occurs. A Class 4 nation is one that hits a decline in economic growth, but the population remains growing, causing an economic depression and mass poverty. A Class 5 nation is that of one where population and economic growth no longer grow or shrink. This is when a nation dies.

The nations I listed all feature a distinct lack of conflict in sexism and racism even though they exist in the open; it's more like the topic has never been touched. Japan is one such example in the past five years, when they exited the economic bubble and crept into late Class 3. Racism and Sexism suddenly exploded in context of understanding.

And notice how when someone mentions something that may distinctly resemble racism that the person jumps on the bandwagon stating "That's Racist". By saying that statement, you yourself are being racist. But, alas, no one ever truly considers what I write when I'm being serious.

My original point was, race has nothing to do whether or not someone is likely to become a criminal.
It does, though, as I already said. Statistically, anyway. I'm not saying that being a black person makes you more prone to engage in criminal activities. I'm saying that if you pick a random black citizen out of a crowd of people in the US, that they, for whatever reason, will statistically have a ridiculously higher chance of being a criminal than a random white person from the crowd.
Does racial profiling make ethical sense? I guess not.
Does it make practical sense? Definitely.
The fact of the matter is, a random black dude in the US is like forty times more likely to steal your wallet than a random white dude in the US. I don't see what the problem is with holding onto my things a little more tightly when there are black people around when this is a fact.

And hell, maybe black people are genetically more prone to being criminals, too. I don't really know, and I don't really care. They're statistically more prone to being criminals anyway, which is all I really need to know. But, average IQs between races are definitely different around the world. I'd argue that being stupid drastically increases your chances of being a criminal, since you won't be able to make as much money in an honest manner as a smart person would. An excerpt:

The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

East Asians and Whites have the highest average IQs, while blacks have the lowest. That might explain why America, China, and Japan are economic and cultural powerhouses, while almost all of Africa is a complete shit-hole. I think a person's IQ holds more sway over their life than the specter of racism from fifty years ago, anyway. But I guess this is taboo information now. We should probably just pretend that everyone on the planet is completely equal, and the outcome of their lives is based completely on how hard they try, where they started from, and what the evil white man thinks of them.

As an aside, I don't just profile people by race. For example, my dad runs a Rent-to-own store, like a Rent-a-center. Basically, you pay for your furniture in weekly installments for about a year and a half. It's easy and convenient, but you end up paying like three times more than what the furniture would have cost you cash (which we also offer). As you may imagine, many people renting like this have bad decision making and planning skills, and we have people of all races renting about equally, by my estimates. And since they're all in this special idiot-population, they all have about an equal chance of being a scumbag-debtor, regardless of race. Therefore, when someone comes in to rent, I can safely assume there's a decent chance of them being a scumbag, whether they be white, hispanic, black, asian, or what-have-you. Basically, in this special population, race doesn't really matter, so I don't profile by race among our customers. So rather than being racist, I'd say I'm logicist. X3

As a double aside, a breakdown of our bad customers, by race:
White people tend to be quiet trash, who just stop paying, and move away with our stuff.
Black people tend to be obnoxious about not paying, telling us to take them to court and such. We do, and then we usually get our stuff. One stupid-ass kept on screaming "I'M FROM NEW YORK NIGGAH. YOU DON'T WANT THIS TROUBLE!" at me over and over again in the store. I kept on replying "I'm from Woonsocket," until he left. All the other customers were lol'ing when he left, as was I. I think being from New York almost automatically makes you a piece of shit, hahah!
Spanish people are the angriest of the bunch, verbally abusing us, and in one case, attacking us in the store. On the flip side, some of our friendliest, coolest customers are Spanish speakers. They're easily the best and the worst of our customers. No middle ground with these crazy bastards. XD
We don't get too many Asian people, ever. We've only had one old lady steal from us, and that was after a million apologies and about a year and a half of paying on her stuff. She paid more for her stuff than it was worth, and then she moved back to the Phillipines(sp) or some shit. When Asians come in, they're usually good customers.

Of course this doesn't really say anything, since all of these people are all in their own special little population. Just something to laugh at, I guess. X3

Well, as the saying goes, numbers don't lie.

How does that George Orwell quote go? Everybody's equal, some are just more equal than others? Something like that.

Well, as the saying goes, numbers don't lie.
THE POWER OF SCIENCE! =D

How does that George Orwell quote go? Everybody's equal, some are just more equal than others? Something like that.
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others," I think. It made me laugh because it's true. Not by race, but on a per-person basis. The idea of absolute equality is just lulzy.

You guys are still missing my point. I'm saying that it's not a racial thing. What I mean, black people don't have some "criminality gene" or anything.

It's culture. Like I tried to explain is that one of the reasons black people statistically are more likely to be criminal is because of cultural influences over the past centuries.

You guys are still talking about cultural stuff as if it's genetically determined. About the IQ tests, Asian kids are forced by their parents to study all day and Africans are just worshipping God/Allah all day or don't have education at all.

Now you'll probably say that education shouldn't change a score for an IQ test, but it does. When you receive proper education your mind will be able to develop certain though patterns that help solving the questions you get during an IQ test. I remember taking an IQ test the other day (an official one from a psychologist, not some internet crap) and at one point I got words and had to say what they meant. I think it's likely that people who've never been to school wouldn't score very high on that test.

Or I got 5 shapes, and had to piece them together to form a shape (like a butterfly, or an elephant, or a house). If people have never seen a butterfly or an elephant, how are they supposed to piece them together?

Just saying, IQ scores are just that. A score. In the end, it doesn't give you the whole story, just like all your statistics.

Statistics only tell you the numbers, but not the story behind them. That can be very misleading.

You guys are still missing my point. I'm saying that it's not a racial thing. What I mean, black people don't have some "criminality gene" or anything.
I agree; they probably don't. Like I said, in certain populations, white people are as bad as black people, or worse. It's just that most black people on the planet come from shitty cultures that condition them to be stupid and/or criminal-istic. All I'm saying is that in the end, it doesn't really matter to me why they're the way they are. If some asshole came up to me and punched me in the face, and you told me "oh, his parents used to beat him," well, that's sad and all, but I'll definitely be looking out for that right hook when I meet his little brother, because statistics say he'll probably try punching me in the face, too. XD

How'd you do on your IQ test? I'm guessing like 110?

That's private :P

more like over 9000 :X

That's private
Higher? Lower? Right on?
I think I'm right on. I just get that feeling. XD

Your feeling is wrong :P But let's get back on topic.

[QUOTE=HopelessComposer;467035]"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others,"QUOTE]

so white people are more equal to each other whereas the black people are more equal to one another.

racism is something to consider when you are in a need of a good comeback. haha:sweat: "OH HELL NAW! [and fill in the blank]:mellow:

it's the differences that create racism. we don't understand why we have different color people and that makes us crazy... to the point of studying them on our own pace. we observe and realize certain color people have certain culture due to their physical attributes, and then some.

simply... this nation was founded by [these people] thus making it their land, thus giving them the advantage of making their own rules. (shurg)

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[S]imply... this nation was founded by [these people] thus making it their land, thus giving them the advantage of making their own rules. (shurg)

Don't pull that card. There's tons of flaws in it.

i believe the great michael jackson once said... "Beat it!!!!! Beat it!!!! No one wants to be defeated.... It doesn't matter who's wrong or right, just beat it, beat it, beat it. beat it, beat it." maybe he was referring to masterbation. seriously though... racism and sexism are something that just happened. no one planned for it and i think that's why they are very powerful, as much as I'd hate to admit it.

Don't pull that card. There's tons of flaws in it.

There is a point to it though, I think when someone moves to a certain part of the world, they should adjust to how people there live. Not the other way around.

Like muslim women wearing a scarf around their head all day, in some buildings (like schools) it's not allowed to have an hat or a cap, so why should that be allowed? Freedom of religion is fine but it shouldn't overrule a countries law or rules set at a certain place.

There is a point to it though, I think when someone moves to a certain part of the world, they should adjust to how people there live. Not the other way around.

Like muslim women wearing a scarf around their head all day, in some buildings (like schools) it's not allowed to have an hat or a cap, so why should that be allowed? Freedom of religion is fine but it shouldn't overrule a countries law or rules set at a certain place.

I am in 100% agreement with this.

Similar with Sikhs (right religion?), it is part of their religion to carry a type of knife around with them. I don't know about other countries, but here in the UK that is illegal so shouldn't be allowed.

But in terms of racism; the thing is the stereotyping around this. I know a few muslims who are just normal people. I am going into teaching and have been on placement in a school all this week where there have been muslim girls without a head scarf. It is only a minority that make a fuss and expect special treatment and pull the race card out all of the time, a lot of them are just normal people.

Which brings me on to my general thoughs on sexism, racism and anything like that. The normal people who just want equality generally speaking have it- everyone has a balance good things and shit in their lives. People may really disagree with me here, but for example compare someone being bullied for being fat and someone bullied for being black. Both are equally awful to each person, however in schools the fat person would be largely ignored and the black person would be able to kick up a HUGE fuss.

Leading to my point that people who have a problem with racism and sexism and the rest don't want equality, they want special treatment. I'm using school a lot because of my going into teaching, but how is making someone's life hell because they are black any worse than making someone's life hell for their weight? It's making someone feel like shit, end of. It's unacceptable. Neither are worse because neither kid deserves it in the first place.

Those are my views anyway.

Leading to my point that people who have a problem with racism and sexism and the rest don't want equality, they want special treatment. I'm using school a lot because of my going into teaching, but how is making someone's life hell because they are black any worse than making someone's life hell for their weight? It's making someone feel like shit, end of. It's unacceptable. Neither are worse because neither kid deserves it in the first place.

Your example would be different because being fat is something you bring upon yourself - being black is not. Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being black, whereas you could make the argument that being fat is a result of character flaws, hence it's something that is fair to insult.

A better analogy would be an ugly/scarred/short person, since those are things you can't control, and there's nothing wrong with being any of them. XD

I agree with you, though. Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses, so people need to stop playing the race card. :3
I mean, I don't complain whenever something doesn't go my way, going "it's because I'm short, right?!"
Even though that's totally the reason when things don't go my way. Fucking tall pieces of shit. I'll kick all of your lanky asses!

Which brings me on to my general thoughs on sexism, racism and anything like that. The normal people who just want equality generally speaking have it- everyone has a balance good things and shit in their lives. People may really disagree with me here, but for example compare someone being bullied for being fat and someone bullied for being black. Both are equally awful to each person, however in schools the fat person would be largely ignored and the black person would be able to kick up a HUGE fuss.
Those are my views anyway.

I think it also has to do with the fact that there have been some sour history behind being black. Compare the worst thing that happened to the history of fat people to the history of the black people... both quantity and quality-wise. I'm telling you... bitter history plays a big part in racism, cause we are visual people. we see to believe, and people have seen some nasty things when it comes to racism. As I said before, racism was a natural thing, like a hurricane. it's a strong force of nature. lol. maybe i'm just being to philosophical now.:bleh:

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Racism is human nature. We're all racist in some way. I can't say that I'm not racist, but that also doesn't mean I'm a hateful person. Racism comes in many forms, either through jokes or just straight out hate. It's also because of how we lived our lives through stereotypical people. Media has a large part in how people become racist. You see a lot of Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, Asians, Arabs, on TV doing stupid things or violent acts. Media fuels our firm grasps of being ignorant and judging all people based on their skin color and look.

Now, I'm not a hateful person. I don't judge people by their appearances as easily, but it is hard not to avoid a black or Hispanic person walking in a dark neighborhood with a bandanna and baggy pants. All I could know is that he's the nicest person on Earth, but I wouldn't know that because I tend to walk away or avoid them. See? A stereotype and I just gave a good example of one in that sentence.

Sexism is just as bad in my opinion. I'm all up for Women rights and equality, but when a girl is washing dishes and says, "Oh, you're doing a great job, that is good training for your future," that guy will most likely get killed by the girl, but when a girl says that to a guy, it's okay. Why is that? Are they saying that I'm going to be a good house husband? No, they probably meant it as a good training to help the wife around the kitchen, but when a guy says it to a girl; to them it's saying that they belong in the kitchen and we don't help out because that's what they're for. That's not being sexist? How is it okay for the girl to say that to guys, but not okay with guy saying it to the girl?

Sexism, I believe, will always exist. It can't be helped, there are a lot of guys who are dickheads and douches. It's due to culture, stereotyping and the way they were raised. I

I must have missed the last special number of Nature explaining why racism or sexism have become "human nature".

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Now get off my lawn!

I must have missed the last special number of Nature explaining why racism or sexism have become "human nature".


Not "have become." It's "have always been."

Not "have become." It's "have always been."

Nope if we accept a gene centered evolution. .__.

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You're always here, Gekkeiju.

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At least you're still relevant T-T

UM I think someone better say it sooner than later, but the normalized institutionalism of racism and sexism is different from general discrimination, rudeness, or being "a dickhead."

Example:

A white person commenting on how ugly dark skinned black people are is racism, because there is a controlling influential system that we all live within build up to negatively highlight dark-Afrocentric qualities (one example), one that is so deeply rooted that said effects can be seen even within Afrocentric communities. This system affects how people function daily, such as how people learn, work, feel, and communicate.

A black person talking about how ugly a light skinned white people are is not racism, just rude/discrimination, because there is no long term or significant ripples of a white person being too light skinned that effects their education, labor, psychology, or communication that is institutionalized to be negative.

Don't like it? Then sucks for you, because that is the scholarly theories of racism, sexism, and most other -isms (albeit very general and just a cut off the top). Maybe you are best suited for a conservative religious university if you can't come to terms that a man being mistreated will never be sexism and a white person being mistreated will never be racism, until this becomes a world dominated by the opposite groups that currently do.

EDIT: I plan this to be my one of very few posts here for a while, just because, but if anyone dares mention "reverse racism" as a real thing, in seriousness, I will come back with a vengeance.

Because like said before, there is a difference between simply being discriminatory case-by-case, and being a part of an institutionalized form of discrimination.

I understand your point however sometimes it's not true because nobody needs the KKK memership card to discriminate people. Sometimes, most people do it for personal reasons beyond racism but they do refer to this concept world. Just an excuse for being selfish.

I remember when gd was more lighthearted. But I kinda agree with x about the hate everyone equally.
Injustice for all its the only fair way.

I understand your point however sometimes it's not true because nobody needs the KKK memership card to discriminate people. Sometimes, most people do it for personal reasons beyond racism but they do refer to this concept world. Just an excuse for being selfish.

Just remember you don't have to be part of a hate/terrorist group or have a specific political agenda to be a part of a larger picture of discrimination, just like how you don't have to be racist to do or say something racist.

People can be cruel without ever knowing or meaning to, and a lot of times it's due to subtle socialization from a culture that is inherently meant to be cruel.

I never thought eating snow was a good idea anyway. Thanks for the info..You are doing great job and i appriciate you for it