Hey all Ichigo's members,

I'm not sure how many people of you remember the last time I made a thread like this, but I felt (and quite a few other members felt) that it did quite a bit of good and injected some of the happiness and the spark back into the Ichigo's forums. Of course, I did this under the account of Alex, and Alex has told me that he is very unhappy with the current state of a few things XD

It appears that tension is rising in a few members, as seen tonight and I think we need a place to maturely state the ways in which we could make Ichigo's a better place (however if you have a simple suggestion please use the Suggestion thread instead!). Some people just need to get a few things off their chest. Every forum will have problems and every problem can be fixed so please help the Ichigo's Community become the place it once was.

List your thoughts and your opinions and don't be afraid to say what you want to say. I think all thoughts should remain in this thread and shouldn't leak elsewhere into the forum. Also, if you require to speak about specific members, do so in an orderly fashion and remember that they to are human beings (well we think they are XD) and that they have feelings as well. And if your a member being spoken about, please do not retaliate. This is merely some constructive criticism!

We are getting to a point where many of us are no longer listening to one another but only to ourselves and I think Ichigo's may be suffering because of this.

So get to work! What can we do? Be as frank as you need to be but keep it within the boundaries of this thread. Please be helpful and help return the Forums to the state they once were to :)

Allow me to christen it!

Sorry, Angelic, but this one's for you: If you're pissed off with another member of the mod team, take it over PM or MSN, not via the boards - hell, even the mod board, at least we can damage control it a bit till you've calmed down :)

Again at angelic, and now not meaning to pick on: I will gladly take any advice you give according to the rules, on the condition that you do not insult. But since you've promised to calm down, i'll say no more on the matter.

For God's sake, the music discussion board is absolutely barren. Isn't it what the site's all about? (well, mostly)

Yeah, I do believe this place has become a bit boring to come to. Though that might be the fact that I really laugh at some of the opinions in here (not going to name names), which is probably my problem in the first place. And a lot of the people I find very intriguing have just vanished, why? I wish I knew.

I'd say step out of the boundaries a bit more, members, submit your opinion in the religious thread, talk more about video games and movies and so forth. Get more involved, I'm sorry but I just can't stand the " ^^ kyoot " talk within the General Chat thread.

In response to what you said mystery editor, if you can't understand Angelic's way of humor than you must be a bit soft in the tummy. I doubt he gets his self esteem input through bullying over the internet, and I find it quite comical that you are actually offended by such a thing like "internet bullying". Sure, you have made a lot of friends through this forum, just know that the ichigos community is a beacon in this cyber-sea of child pornography, penis enlargers, pop-ups, online gambling and the such. Anyone who the ichigo's community would figure to be a bit mean or sadistic would've been banned already, or that certain sadistic or mean person probably would've found this place a little prissy-little-missy for their liking. A bit ironic that a man as mean as Angelic would've rose to the ranks as one of the governing powers of the place? Sheesh.

I agree with Angelic on this one, for the record.
I reckon there's been a shiteload of generic's just comming in, requesting sheet music in the music section, being told off by an admin or dedicated member, getting showed the door to the sheet music section, requesting their music there, finding out it's already been found, getting repremanded again, grabbing their music and leaving the community. Phew.

I think a music general discussion thread would help heaps, so I've made one - I'm sure people would like a thread where they can just make a random comment that they don't want to make a whole new thread for, e.g. "Man, I'm really stuck on this piece, can't get it past the first few bars - don't you hate that?" etc etc. We've got a lot of active music bods but they tend to keep their opinions to the Compositions forum and nowhere else.

sorry angelic, i've just had some mentally changing things happen with bullies, and, no matter the form, i still find it offencive to bully. sorry if i came out a little too rash...

We've got a lot of active music bods but they tend to keep their opinions to the Compositions forum and nowhere else.

That's not true, I'm the only mod here who actually *visits* the Compositions section. I always try to be active in the Music forum, and I express my opinions quite often there. As I see it, I try to breathe life in some very good threads there, but somehow they get to the bottom of the page within a couple of days.

Oops, by bods I mean users, not a typo of mods XD

Refer to my newer post.

Okay...

I don't think of this as a bash, but rather as an observation... Most of this is directed towards angelic, or those that dislike him. When I first came to this forum, I didn't really have much forum experience (not that I have much more now...) . So, when I posted my first post, it was an almost new experiance to me. It felt like an accomplishment. But, then, shortly afterwards, angelic bashed at my very first post. At that point, I thought, "Geez, what's his problem?". So, a few weeks passed etc. and there were some more incidents of what seemed to be direct targeting towards me with more negative comments etc. At that point, I felt as though angelic was just a mean person... But, after a while, I have noted that angelic isn't that bad of a person. He is a mature, respectable individual. The only thing is, he is very blunt about his feelings, which is not a bad thing. And when you realize that angelic has to deal with all kinds of immature pricks on an almost daily basis (talkin' bout rule breakers here...), you can easily see why he can be so volatile. As of right now, I have no quarrels with angelic, except that I think that he should lighten up just a little... Also, I'd like to note that I feel that angelic has calmed down a lot since I joined.

Also, I'd like to complement all those people who helped me, and those who continue to do so. It can be hard to get settled in to a forum, but those people (you know who you are!) were really helpful, and always told me when I was doing something wrong or right.

There are also many members which I'd like to thank by name, but I will refrain from doing so. For now I'll give a general thanks to all who helped/commented/gave constructive critisism/corrected me when wrong. I'd especially like to thank those who helped me with my composition.

Having unfortunately seen what began all this crap (only 12 so hours too late)
I gotta say, man you guys are evil.

Angelic had every right to rant about a few people not following the rules, hell seeing random 'Kwaii' and random Japanese stuff pisses me off too (for a start, it is "Kawaii" and means "Cute" not "Cool" and No its Not appropriate to use it every 5 words or so when you're describing your favorite anime character or whatsoever!!)

He is an admin(the most active one, I believe) and therefore has responsibility to keep this place nice and tidy, that also means ranting every now and then publically about people not following rules, which specifically says "No foreign language unless translation is also given".
Now after that, You all immediately jump at him for being a "Nazi" and have a hack at him, not even giving a thought about why he'd say such thing in the first place. Is that just cuz' he's the admin? If I said those words instead of Angelic(I probably would, if I saw them often enough but thankfully I don't visit the anime and manga forum often and tend to keep out of threads with possible Japanish overload), would you have gone to bash me the same way or would it just end up with "You're no mod, so shut up"?

Seriously, everytime I see Angelic war with somebody everybody joins the other side and smash him like there's no tomorrow. But he's only enforcing the rules. And if you care so much about saying "Kwaii SUGOI" every now and then, then how about ACTUALLY TALKING TO HIM AND MAYBE GET HIM TO BEND THE RULES A BIT(Really, it makes a perfectly good argument to say "but everyone knows the meanings of sugoi and kawaii like we already know the meaning of manga and anime, so how about pass the rule on those few words") rather than taking the "omfg you're a language nazi are you racist against japanese too?" stance?

He's not bullying anyone, he's not abusing his admin status and he definitely doesn't deserve this crap you've thrown at him, I demand you apologise at him. (but you probably already have and made up, and I'm in no position to demand stuff from you so meh.. sucks for living in the wrong timezone)


P.S Really.. some of us have been here for a long while and still don't know Angelic that well? aw come on.. you really think he was going to ban people just for writing Japanese without translation?

P.P.S The post above me, now there's an observant person. (Irony content 0%)

He has every right, yes, but he seems to pick on people.

I should take back everything I said before, and replace it with this :

You do have a right to correct people, but sometimes It just doesn matter. Sometimes people forget, and somtimes people just dont care becasue its the littlest thing, but you dont have to say somethings you do. Its a small community, and some people dont like that, and I wouldnt want anyone to go away because of anything someone did here, and that includes EVERYONE!

Ive only been here for 4 months now, and This was my first fourm. Everyone here is so nice, and people just have mood swings. Yes, everyone, like Angelic. He isnt a bad person, he just likes to inforce rules because he wants people happy. But sometimes Angelic, more people are happy if they can say a few Japanese words now and then, and if it REALLY bothers you that much, can people please stop?

You do have a right to correct people, but sometimes It just doesn matter. Sometimes people forget, and somtimes people just dont care becasue its the littlest thing, but you dont have to say somethings you do. Its a small community, and some people dont like that, and I wouldnt want anyone to go away because of anything someone did here, and that includes EVERYONE!

Yup, they're such little things, so let me ignore the signature rule because its a little thing and its not important, get myself a 1024 x 768 massive gif animation on my sig that's 24megabytes to load and bitch at Angelic when he removes it because "it doesn't comply with the rules" (actually.. already a lot of people are over the 50kb limit, but that's not the issue here) and then call him bully and tell everyone he's picking on me. (okay i'm going overboard but seriously, if someone gets caught with sig/ava like 25kb over limit and about 20 pixels larger, and if they bitch, it seems to me very much likely that everyone'll bash poor Angelic again)

its not a question of "hey its nothing important, who cares", its a matter of keeping the rules because if people are allowed to get away with it, then soon enough nobody'll respect any rule we have (and you don't want to see me post spam 500000 characters in korean for every post i make, and i might do it just to annoy the kwaii kids who speak yapanish)

on the subject of sigs, I'm quickly getting the impression that if some other mod catches you with oversized images, you'll comply but if Angelic does, you'll bitch at about how he's picking on people.. am I just hallucinating a bunch of Angelic-haters or is this possibly the case?

As someone who actually read the rules and keeps to them well enough (seriously.. its not so hard to be civilised and mature). I'm getting kinda pissed at the attitude of you guys. "So what, its not important" WTF are you thinking. If it wasn't important, then it wouldn't be on the rules. Breaking a rule, then screaming back at the admin who rightfully tells you off.. not a pretty sight. (I'm pretty sure they weren't even aimed at you who took it to your hearts to make 'bash Angelic' your life's mission)

He's even put a damned disclaimer on so you fools won't bitch at him like you did!!

Bravo! Well said!

Hmm... reminds me of a non-angelic related incident...

its not a question of "hey its nothing important, who cares", its a matter of keeping the rules because if people are allowed to get away with it, then soon enough nobody'll respect any rule we have (and you don't want to see me post spam 500000 characters in korean for every post i make, and i might do it just to annoy the kwaii kids who speak yapanish)

You exagerating it. People only use one or two Words a post. There is nothing wrong, just remind them nicely to post a translation.


Yup, they're such little things, so let me ignore the signature rule because its a little thing and its not important, get myself a 1024 x 768 massive gif animation on my sig that's 24megabytes to load and bitch at Angelic when he removes it because "it doesn't comply with the rules" (actually.. already a lot of people are over the 50kb limit, but that's not the issue here) and then call him bully and tell everyone he's picking on me. (okay i'm going overboard but seriously, if someone gets caught with sig/ava like 25kb over limit and about 20 pixels larger, and if they bitch, it seems to me very much likely that everyone'll bash poor Angelic again)

The reason why people have massive Ava's is because the old server used to have a thing that shrunk the size of the image, but I dont think this one does. As for the 25kb rule, I dont think the site will let you upload it if its that big.

Also, a note. Angelic is Angelic, hes one of a kind. People acsept me for who I am, so why shouldnt they to Angelic. I have talked bad about Angelic behind his back a few times, but people have pointed out some very good reason, and when I think about it, he hasnt done anything wrong :P

The reason why people have massive Ava's is because the old server used to have a thing that shrunk the size of the image, but I dont think this one does. As for the 25kb rule, I dont think the site will let you upload it if its that big.

Also, a note. Angelic is Angelic, hes one of a kind. People acsept me for who I am, so why shouldnt they to Angelic. I have talked bad about Angelic behind his back a few times, but people have pointed out some very good reason, and when I think about it, he hasnt done anything wrong :P

For clarification. I was talking about Sigs not avatars. Yes you can link to extremely large (both size and dimension wise) images, just it'll get deleted by a mod.

The thing was that some people have thrown crap at him, and you're right, he hasn't done anything wrong. You only have to look at the thread to see who was getting bullied, taking in fire from all directions.

Sorry, zebra, but it is NOT a joke to call someone sad, or say "fuck you go to hell". Angelic has sad these, and more in the past, but has gotten so much better with it.

Kou, I agree with most of what you say, up until the part about Angelic abusing his admin powers. He does do this, he has done this, and may do it in the future. I'll give some examples to show what I am talking about.

First, let me present to you Music. She was an attention whore, as everyone knows, well, most know, but originally, Angelic completely believed in her. He tried to help her, and was very worried about her. However, two members, boardoxmage and another, I forget who, actually thought she was pulling off some act to get attention. They brought out their complaints publicly.

Angelic would have none of this, and banned them very quickly. Though, he did later unban them. I consider this abusing one's privledges, and exspecially when it is only a voiced opinion. The most ironic thing, though, is that in the end, Angelic was the one who was thinking that Music was the attention whore, and so he himself banner her.

And then there is Blackmage. A person who Angelic utterly hates. I am sure there was more between them than what Angelic portrayed, but anyways, Blackmage was banned for having mentioned something negative about Jews. I don't approve of what Blackmage said, but I think Angelic has said far more insults than Blackmage has. Then, when he found out some of the members here also went to Blackmage's forum, he threatened to ban them, or remove privledges-I forget which.

"Oi" is not something Americans use, or English speakers, at least from my knowledge. I do know, that for a fact, it is used in Japan, often between close friends. I may be wrong in saying that it is not used by English speakers, but if I am correct, Angelic has broken the rules by using this. I would ask other people in this forum to clarify this, as I have sparsely traveled in the United States.

Angelic is the type of person who will start a thread, publicly negatively commenting on a person, group of people, or the forum, and then later shortly lock it insisting that it be continued out in pm. This is abuse of the privledges, as the other person can not save face publicly, only talk about it privetly with Angelic. They it may be clarified with Angelic, the reputation still sticks. Angelic has done this before, though he does not do it often.

I have no problem with Angelic being strict on the rules. I, myself, get pissed off when people are too stupid to post a thread in the correct forum, and don't read the guidlines posted in bold in certain forums. I just don't think that insulting people is the way to go. In fact, I don't think insulting is every good. But even if it was, Angelic even insults those who don't break the rules.

Take for example, the thread on AIM/MSN. Angelic claims someone as sad if they have trouble using the phone. When Alphonse asks him to apologize, he insists the person he insulted pm him about it. Some of you weren't around, but for those who were, in the time Music around, Angelic was cursing people out all over the place. Both those who broke the rules, and those who didn't.

Angelic as threatened to close the forum down, yet when it was he who started a majority of the problems. Angelic has kicked himself from the administrator group mulitple times, as well as threatened to leave. Of course, everyone alway says "Wait, don't leave!", so he stays. I remember once, Angelic left for a few days. When no one commented on his absense, he claimed no one cared about him.

One of the first things Angelic did when he came into the forum, was insult Gand. I would love to give you links to all the topics, but they are hidden away carefully (or deleted) in the moderators forum. I have no idea which, but there is only one place they can be since they aren't open to public.

By the logic of Angelic, if he thinks a person is bad, that person is bad, until his mind has changed. Most people will say Alphonse is a good member, and a good person. But because Angelic dislikes him, Angelic claims he is a bad person. It appears to be that Angelic can never be wrong. What he thinks is what is. In fact, it was Angelic who started the problem with Alphonse in the first place.

If Angelic does not agree with someone, or does not understand their logic, by default it automatically goes to say that they have weird logic, or are completely wrong. Have anyone of you noticed that is the member that gets into the most fights/arguments? Maybe this says something about how good of a job he does moderating the forum/administrating(sp?) the forum. Does a good administrator get into fights with his members?

Angelic used to complain all the time about how hard it was being Administrator. Yet he complained ignored the fact that there were plenty of worthy members to moderate with him. Why bother volunteering to be an administrator, when you dislike it so much, and complain about it. And when there is a solution, an easy solution at hand, why not use it? I don't think administrators should ever complain about their duties.

I am sure that everyone has their mood swings, but really, Ichigos is certainly not the place for it. I know Angelic has his problems from the past. I know Angelic more than most, including Angelic, actually realize, but still. That is no excuse.

As for Sarah, I think she is a nice person as well, but...follows Angelic a bit too much. For example, on the Alphonse issue, she says I should stay out of it, as it is not my business, yet blocks Alphonse when it wasn't even between herself and Alphonse. Sorry, Sarah, but it is my business as much as it is yours.

From what Angelic has told me, Sarah dislikes me. But who wouldn't, if you fed someone negative comments, time after time again, on a person. After a while of hearing it, it becomes easy to find a person annoying. I don't think I have done anything wrong to Sarah, and I certainly know I have not tried, but I just wished that Sarah, and the other people who dislike me, would give me some time, and actually talk with me on MSN first before judging me. Angelic included. You can't truly know a person just by reading his posts on the forum.

I don't think Angelic is a bad person. I think he can be a nice guy. But honestly, he does things that people shouldn't do. No one is perfect, but I really think this forum as suffered a lot from him. I don't think Angelic should leave, either. I think Ichigos is only Ichigos with Angelic. But one thing is for certain. Angelic does not bully only people who don't follow the rules. I would love to say so much more, but I most go to the hospital soon, so.. I will try to add on later.

Music wasn't banned because of the 'attention whore' thing, remember Sex/Elle as well? AND she got ANOTHER chance to come back, and she abused that, as well. IN every case, since I've been here at least, there has been no-one banned without reason...be it the return of banned members under new accounts, or things that he's been made aware of and decided that the be the best form of action. He's an admin, he has to make the choices that people aren't always going to like. it's not fair of ANYONE to pick on him because of stuff that needs to be done. Same with the signatures. The language is a bit nitpicky, since people sometimes just forget to translate, but if we allowed too much of it, people could be using those other languges to their advantage and another's downside, and if you don't know what it says. how can you know?

We all saw from last night that things get said that are later ergretted, and we all do that. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination someone who always agrees with Angelic, and when stuff arises with us picking on his faults, I'm in there a lot of the time, but it really isn't fair to use this thread just as a bashing ground, even with some valid points, when it says in the very first post that retaliation is not meant to occur. It's not fair to pick on him then not expect him to respond, and quite likely get a bit pissed.

Nightmare; you've said many of the same things that Angelic was complaining about last night, yourself. So have others. It's only because it's Angelic that these fights go big. He IS one of the admin and sometimes we don't like what that means he does, and sometimes his personal feelings DO come into it. BUt that's because he is a human.. and we have feelings, and sometimes they get the better of us.

None of us agree with everyone all the time, and it'd be unfair to think we would. But Angelic is NOT the only source of problems around here, and these things are going to arrise, and he IS going to have to be the one that deals with them.

Practically all this thread has been aimed at him, how about we try get to the centre of what ELSE causes the problems around here?

My, what a somber thread.

Music was banned because her mission was to destroy these forums. She'll never set foot here again as long as I'm running them.

Nightmare, we healed the wounds between Angelic and I LONG ago. There's a reason they were deleted and there's no reason to bring them back to the surface.

Practically all this thread has been aimed at him, how about we try get to the centre of what ELSE causes the problems around here?
Agreed. The point of this thread was to help maturely point out the ways in which we can bring back Ichigo's to it's prime state, and focus on the entire community as a whole, not just our admin.

Many of you have said before that Ichigo's has "lost it's spark" or "it's not the same anymore". There are many other facets of the issue at hand that we can discuss other than Angelic.

From what I can tell, this seemed to be sparked by the English-only rule. Maybe I can clarify a bit.

The rule is designed for two purposes: First of all, this is an English forum, so it's expected that if you can understand English reasonably well you can participate in discussions. This means you shouldn't be posting in German, Japanese, ig-pay atin-lay or any other non-english language. Secondly (and here's where we've been running into a problem) noone should be interjecting words for the sole purpose of having the word there.

This is just fine: "I polished my katanas last night."
This isn't: "My katanas are so kawaii!"

Obviously, katana is a borrowed word from the Japanese language what is not in the English dicitonary (I think..) Yes, you could say "curved, Japanese sword" but there's no reason to. However, there is no reason to use kawaii. It is obviously being used for the sole purpose of the existance of Japanese in the sentance. Why can't you just use cute? And why are your katanas cute anyway? ;)

There's no way to explicitly define this as a rule. However, we take two big steps to solving this problem. First, ask yourself if you are putting a foreign word in your post "is it really needed to convey the meaning?" If it's not, use the translation. If you REALLY think it is, provide a translation. If it's a loan word, like katana, it's fine. Second, if you get called out or warned for using it by a mod or other member, don't get offended. Edit your post, apologise (don't say "gomen nasai ;) ") and don't worry about it!

Hope this helps... and by the way, Ichigo's is a proper name, so don't pick on that please :ichigo:

Random Tangent,

You right, no one has been banned without reason. However, people have been banned for very bad reasons. Please direct yourself to my example on boardoxmage. Would you call insulting others something to be in that "list needed to be done" of yours? I certainly wouldn't. Of course sometimes people will disagree with the desicions he makes. But factually, he has made some bad deciscions. Everyone has. What you seem to be saying, is that since he is an administrator, he is allowed to pick on people when they make bad decisions. But since we are not administrators, we have no right to confront him when HE makes bad decisions.

Please, read what I wrote. I am cheering him on when he is enforcing the rules. However, when he crosses that line, and starts insulting people, I don't aprove of that. This is not a retaliation to Angelic, as I am not responding to a post by him. When I made my post, I was as careful as I could be as to not insult Angelic. Where in my post have I bashed Angelic around? I have said almost completely what he has done. The whole point of this thread was to let steam out, and to say what we feel, so we can get things out. And so I have.

I do expect Angelic to respond, and I hope he does respond. I am only hoping he can respond without insulting or major flaming. In fact, I would personally ask Angelic to list out all the possible things about me that annoy him, as I wish to fix them myself. Angelic has always disliked me, and I can admit, I am a slow person, so I don't know completely why.

As for feelings, when they do get the better of us, then it is time to take a break from the forums. Most of the other members seem to be able to cope with their problems without attacking other members. Why should Angelic be excused? This thread is used to discuss problems we think we have, in a civilized way. I think, as well as other members, that Angelic has been a problem. It is completely fair to use this thread to discuss him. Really, if in this thread we were to avoid talking about problems regarding people, then the only ones left would be server/computer issues, and they go into another thread.

So if you don't want us to talk about people, and think that talking about people is unfair when they are expected to not retaliate, perhaps you should ask this thread to be closed. The only problems that we are talking about are ones that come from people. There really isn't much else that causes problems around her, other than the retards who can't read the rules.

Wow.. that's a record: "Angelic" used 34 times in a single post. Nightmare, I won't reply directly, but read this post.. it will clarify things you all need to know..


I WANT EVERYONE TO READ THIS, AND THINK DEEPLY


Okay, lets get this straight..


TO THOSE WHO THINK ANGELIC UNJUSTLY FLAMES AT YOU...... he doesn't. Had he done this he would've been kicked out/banned long ago (does this smell like Haruno-Sakura?). You people need to open your eyes and look at the big picture.


Many of you say Angelic is too harsh and unreasonable (such as saying people who are better on MSN than in phone/person is sad).. HE'S ONLY GIVING HIS PERSONAL OPINION. Respect this. Why the fuck are you stupid fucks flaming at Angelic's personal opinion? (You know who you are) Listen -- you fucks treat this AS IF he's attacking you personally. Why do you do this? Because you're a bunch of stupid fucks acting like 2 year old babies who get angry when you don't get your way OR FEEL OFFENDED. You get angry, cry, and pout. What happens? YOU start calling Angelic a bastard nazi who overuses his powers blah blah blah….
WOW! You're the one to accuse Angelic of flaming at you for no reason, while you're the first to flame AND BREAK THE RULES. How fucking ingenius. Note: Angelic is human and he DOES make stupid mistakes. However, he usually knows and apologizes genuinely.

Heed this: When you speak, don't expect to get all positive responses. There are bound to be offending ones. Respect them. And deal with them maturely.



POWER.
Now some of you say because he's an Admin he has all the powers and abuses blah blah he always gets his way no matter what blah blah blah NO! Listen, all of you have power and are capable of changing things and get what want. How do you do this? By giving CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHTS. [Translation: not pulling a tantrum like a stupid kid and SPROUTING SHIT]. Too bad you fucktards give up your power by pulling tantrums and sprouting shit. This is like shouting out “I’m a retard who gets offended by every little thing and can’t control my anger! Fuck you whoever offends me!!”. Woohoo! How constructive is that? Now lets say if you genuinely believe Angelic is doing something unjust, deal with it maturely. Believe me, do that, and things will turn out well.

Seriously, as Kou said, if you are unhappy with something, speak up. YOU HAVE A VOICE! So use it constructively, not like a fucktard.



That’s what I’ve noticed.... you people acting like dumbasses in these situations.
Instead of stepping in and flaming at Angelic just because you feel offended, take a step back. Deal with the situation [translation: not acting like a stupid fuck]. Use your mind. It’s a powerful tool, but in the hands (hands.. ahaha…..) of fucktards.. it becomes a worthless tool capable only of bringing anger, hate, and destruction.



Sound clear? ^_^

Zero: Done pouting? Using fuck fuck fuck doesn't give you much credibility in an arguement, in fact it diminishes it. Though I get when you're trying to say.

Right-o, back on topic. I think the main problem is the amount of people that have been active. There are only a handful of posts when I check in like once every three days.

Zero: Done pouting? Using fuck fuck fuck doesn't give you much credibility in an arguement, in fact it diminishes it. Though I get when you're trying to say.

Right-o, back on topic. I think the main problem is the amount of people that have been active. There are only a handful of posts when I check in like once every three days.
You might actually learn something if you didn't take things so literally.
But whether you want to listen or not is your decision. ^_^

Right-o, back on topic. I think the main problem is the amount of people that have been active. There are only a handful of posts when I check in like once every three days.
Not according to the stats... About 120 members visit each day, making about 450 new posts. However, most of these are replies, as there's only about 15 or so new threads per day. You've got to remember that quite a few posts are in the RP, so if you don't role-play then it might not seem as busy. Personally, I'm not in the RP and I get lost in a sea of new posts if I don't check the forums at least once every day.

You might actually learn something if you didn't take things so literally.
But whether you want to listen or not is your decision. ^_^

Well fuck fuck fuck this thread than. If all you're gonna do is tell everyone to fuck off and to fucking grow up and leave Angelic the fuck alone, you need to have a closer read of what Roy posted at the start and come up with something to better this forum and stop insulting people...fucken. ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

I'm done with this thread, and I hope you don't take this too literally either, friend.

Ohh and Gand, yeahh that must be it. People enjoy the RP but I'm not too much of a fan of it, and it tends to draw a lot of attention away from the other topics.

well, Im now Confused! I choose not pick sides now, but do have some comments for both sides :)


HE'S ONLY GIVING HIS PERSONAL OPINION. Respect this. Why the fuck are you stupid fucks flaming at Angelic's personal opinion?

Sorta reminds you of someone by the name of ANGELIC! I have once gave my opinon on how people can be inconsidert to George Bush because he talks funny, I earned my self a star in the Warnings From Angelic Chart!~WHOOT~!


First, let me present to you Music. She was an attention whore, as everyone knows, well, most know, but originally, Angelic completely believed in her. He tried to help her, and was very worried about her. However, two members, boardoxmage and another, I forget who, actually thought she was pulling off some act to get attention. They brought out their complaints publicly.

Angelic would have none of this, and banned them very quickly. Though, he did later unban them. I consider this abusing one's privledges, and exspecially when it is only a voiced opinion. The most ironic thing, though, is that in the end, Angelic was the one who was thinking that Music was the attention whore, and so he himself banner her.

He saw his mistake and was quick to fix it. Was that what you were trying to point out?


Many of you have said before that Ichigo's has "lost it's spark" or "it's not the same anymore". There are many other facets of the issue at hand that we can discuss other than Angelic.

I thought that this will do more good for Ichigo then if we were all happy. A great person by the name of Thomas Jeferson once said 'To have a stable country, That country must have revolutions'. So if we must have a stable fourm, we must seek out the problem and fix it.

This thread is used to discuss problems we think we have, in a civilized way. I think, as well as other members, that Angelic has been a problem. It is completely fair to use this thread to discuss him. Really, if in this thread we were to avoid talking about problems regarding people, then the only ones left would be server/computer issues, and they go into another thread.

Oioi, hang on Nightmare - you said yourself you love to argue, but don't you think Angelic's feelings might be just a LITTLE hurt by a public bashing thread? I know you have your own issues with him - why don't you take them over PM, I'm sure he's more than capable of handling you. This is what I wanna say, guys - it's not the arguments and fights that are ruining this forum, it is the fact that they are ON the forum in the first place. There's shitloads of threads where Angelic's venting on the mod board - but it doesn't matter 'cause us mods are the only ones who see them, and we're used to sorting everything out. If everyone took their little spats to PM or MSN, it means all the nasty little comments everybody makes about each other wouldn't be on here for everyone else to titter over, yarr? Not only that it means we don't get crappy threads like 'What's Wrong With This Place' coming up and then being deleted a few days later - I do feel responsible for the presence of that thread as I was the main reason why Angelic was not in the best of moods. I know he normally just gives out a warning for excessive use of Japanese language, which is usually the most effective.

As Zero said, we all need to lighten up a bit - I think half the reason why everyone does feel so cowed by Angelic is his 'admin powers'. Don't forget that Gand and Spoon are here and they won't let him do anything rash. It is possible for an admin to take the board offline, but what do you reckon Gand would have to say about it? Angelic threatened to ban me in the What Is Wrong With This Place thread - again, what do you think the other admins would have to say about it? I'm sorry for provoking him there, but I had a point to make - I'm still here now to tell the tale, hm?

So yeah, point I'm trying to make here is: Angelic can only use his admin powers for the good of the forum - Spoon and Gand wouldn't let him do otherwise. Sometimes what he thinks is good for the forum proves to be a mistake - he's been fast to correct it, you can't deny that.

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I'd also just like to step in and defend the RP here - the RP has attracted a number of users who have then joined in at other places in the forum. I don't think it detracts from other topics - it is in a separate section, is it not? They even have their own General Discussion thread to prevent too much RP chat from filtering into other parts of the forum. It's a self-contained unit, really - it could just as well be on another webpage elsewhere and I don't think that would have any impact on the topics in other forums either. The reason we have so many players is because of the existing Ichigo's fanbase, and I'm grateful to Gand for hosting Harmonic Dissonance here, because it takes us beyond just your standard InvisionFreeBoard RP (of which there are hundreds). People have branched off from here and tried to start up their own RP forums, which IMO haven't been as successful - Harmonic Dissonance has been going for nearly a year now and we're still active, we haven't died like the other forums out there and we're a close-knit yet welcoming community. I'm very proud of our players and the mod team - together we've made it a really good place to be! :D

but he isnt using his powers, he is acting off, not as an Admin, but as a member.

If you take off the Admin sign on him, he would be just like you and me, saying what they will.

~

But I do think others would get banned if they acted like Angelic did those few times. But he has appologised, a rare and welcomed gift by my standards.

Wow.. that's a record: "Angelic" used 34 times in a single post. Nightmare, I won't reply directly, but read this post.. it will clarify things you all need to know..


[color=red]I WANT EVERYONE TO READ THIS, AND THINK DEEPLY


Okay, lets get this straight..


TO THOSE WHO THINK ANGELIC UNJUSTLY FLAMES AT YOU...... he doesn't. Had he done this he would've been kicked out/banned long ago (does this smell like Haruno-Sakura?). You people need to open your eyes and look at the big picture.

No, that isn't true at all. Sarah, the owner, would never allow this. Angelic and Sarah are very close. Angelic could delete every forum, apologize sincerely to everyone, and he would be back as admin. I am glad for them, though, that they can be such good friends.


Many of you say Angelic is too harsh and unreasonable (such as saying people who are better on MSN than in phone/person is sad).. HE'S ONLY GIVING HIS PERSONAL OPINION. Respect this.

It would be an opinion if Angelic said "I think you are sad if you do this." But he said "Your are sad if you do this." There is a difference, and the second is certainly not an opinion. And this was only an example. There were far more in the past, but like I said, because I am a regular member, I am restricted to the proof, or the proof was deleted. But if I must, I could try searching through Angelic's posts to find some. Would you be satisified then?

Another thing, if I said "I think you are a fucking stupid asshole with no life", would you take that gently, and respect my opinion? Most people would think otherwise, and actually be offended. I have no need to say that, some opinions are better kept to oneself.


Why the fuck are you stupid fucks flaming at Angelic's personal opinion? (You know who you are) Listen -- you fucks treat this AS IF he's attacking you personally. Why do you do this? Because you're a bunch of stupid fucks acting like 2 year old babies who get angry when you don't get your way OR FEEL OFFENDED. You get angry, cry, and pout.

I don't flame his personal opinion. I gave you one example, which really wasn't an opinion. I have every single right to defend the people who I feel are being insulted by Angelic, even if the person I am defending is in the wrong. Just like Music was in the wrong when Angelic was defending her. Nor do I get angry, cry, or pout. Nor am I a stupid fuck. Look at my post. I was able to mention Angelic's name 34 times, yet not once did I call him any negative name. You are calling me, as well as other members stupid fucks simply because you don't see things the way we do.


What happens? YOU start calling Angelic a bastard nazi who overuses his powers blah blah blah….

When, have I ever called Angelic a name? I challenge you to search through all my posts, and find just one. And even if you do find one, look through Angelic's for names. You'll find a lot more in his. I don't think he overuses his powers, just abuses them at times, and not too often.


WOW! You're the one to accuse Angelic of flaming at you for no reason, while you're the first to flame AND BREAK THE RULES. How fucking ingenius. Note: Angelic is human and he DOES make stupid mistakes. However, he usually knows and apologizes genuinely.

Angelic doesn't flame without reason, he finds them. But as I said, the reasons aren't always the best. I have never broken the rules here, and some of the members he has flamed haven't either-I have every right to bring this up. Angelic makes mistakes, and sometimes apologizes, but sometimes he doesn't.


Heed this: When you speak, don't expect to get all positive responses. There are bound to be offending ones. Respect them. And deal with them maturely.

I don't expect positive respones. But I want to be able to expect not to get insulted. For example, if I make a composition and people dislike it, I accept it and respect it. But if I say how I feel about something, and get flammed for it, I don't approve of that.


Now lets say if you genuinely believe Angelic is doing something unjust, deal with it maturely. Believe me, do that, and things will turn out well.

You are one to talk about being mature. If you ask me, you are being immature yourself having this tantrum of yours, calling everyone fucktards. Again, noticed how my post did not contain direct insults to Angelic, but more rather addressed Angelic as a problem with support behind my post.


Seriously, as Kou said, if you are unhappy with something, speak up. YOU HAVE A VOICE! So use it constructively, not like a fucktard.

Who will a king listen to more, his first advisor or the peasant before him? We have a voice, yes, but too insignificant. To use it significantly, we must get ourselves known positively. You will always listen to Angelic before me. I will always listen to Alphonse before you. Simply because I know Alphonse better than I know you, and you know Angelic better than you know me.


That’s what I’ve noticed.... you people acting like dumbasses in these situations.
Instead of stepping in and flaming at Angelic just because you feel offended, take a step back. Deal with the situation [translation: not acting like a stupid fuck]. Use your mind. It’s a powerful tool, but in the hands (hands.. ahaha…..) of fucktards.. it becomes a worthless tool capable only of bringing anger, hate, and destruction.

Where is that flame of mine? I am still looking for it. I am dealing with the situation. Angelic has really been my only problem at ichigos. The other members really aren't a problem to me. The ones that have been, I have worked it out quickly with them. But I know I can be a problem to other members, so the only way that can change is if I know how. So come on, Zero. If I am such a fucktard, please, enlighten me. Tell me what makes me such a fucktard.

Nightmare and Zero, please.

I know that both of you are capable of presenting a much more persuasive and polite arguments should you put your minds to it.


The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which of them was stronger, when a traveller came along wrapped in a warm cloak. They agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveller take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.

Then the North Wind blew as hard as he could, but the more he blew, the more closely did the traveller fold his cloak around him; and at last the North Wind gave up the attempt.

Then the Sun shone out warmly, and immediately the traveller took off his cloak. And so the North Wind was obliged to confess that the Sun was the stronger of the two.

I strongly suggest that no more swear words be used in this discussion. We are all intelligent and mature beings, capable of expressing our emotions to the fullest without resorting to such double-edged swords which might inflict wounds upon others unknowingly.

Sorta like Angelic!

j/k

Radical Dreamer, that post was uncalled for.

However, your message is welcomed. We would do well to avoid such behaviour in the future.

Everyone's so quick to criticise others yet they fail to criticise themselves.

Sorry.

See how easy it is to appologise?

and see how easy it is to just joke around? If alot of you dont act all stiff, and act all flow-y and just calm and nice, none of this would exsist.

And hey, I pick no sides now. Both are right, and both are wrong.

I can but agree. After all, I would be one of, if not the, forum member present whom excels in wielding such weapons deliberately, and not out of ignorance.

I'm all for a joke, yet you failed to miss the point that this is a mature look at the way in which we can help bring some of the goodness back into the place.

Save the jokes for General Chat. This is serious I think.

From Nightmare's post:


"Oi" is not something Americans use, or English speakers, at least from my knowledge. I do know, that for a fact, it is used in Japan, often between close friends. I may be wrong in saying that it is not used by English speakers, but if I am correct, Angelic has broken the rules by using this. I would ask other people in this forum to clarify this, as I have sparsely traveled in the United States.

"Oi" is used in England and apparently in Canada, it's meant to get someone's attention. Apparently it's kind of rude but that's another detail. For what I know it's English and I can use it.


As for Sarah, I think she is a nice person as well, but...follows Angelic a bit too much. For example, on the Alphonse issue, she says I should stay out of it, as it is not my business, yet blocks Alphonse when it wasn't even between herself and Alphonse. Sorry, Sarah, but it is my business as much as it is yours.

She did that on her own accord really, and even if it is because she follows me, that's her choice then isn't it? You shouldn't speak about a person if you don't know them well, Sarah has a will of her own and it's working perfectly fine. You pick one thing where she sided with me, but often enough she doesn't side with me, which is okay because she's my girlfriend, not my follower.


From what Angelic has told me, Sarah dislikes me. But who wouldn't, if you fed someone negative comments, time after time again, on a person. After a while of hearing it, it becomes easy to find a person annoying. I don't think I have done anything wrong to Sarah, and I certainly know I have not tried, but I just wished that Sarah, and the other people who dislike me, would give me some time, and actually talk with me on MSN first before judging me. Angelic included. You can't truly know a person just by reading his posts on the forum.

You blow things out of proportion. We both don't like that you always seem to have problems with everything.


And then there is Blackmage. A person who Angelic utterly hates. I am sure there was more between them than what Angelic portrayed, but anyways, Blackmage was banned for having mentioned something negative about Jews. I don't approve of what Blackmage said, but I think Angelic has said far more insults than Blackmage has. Then, when he found out some of the members here also went to Blackmage's forum, he threatened to ban them, or remove privledges-I forget which.

Blackmage was a moderator and he was damn proud of it, even though he did a bad job at him. Eventually Gand kicked him out of the moderator group, something he didn't like and since I had just become mod or admin then, he blamed me for it and only started to come here to cause trouble and provoke me. I gave him several warnings and ended up banning him after so many warnings to keep the place clean of his attacks.


Angelic is the type of person who will start a thread, publicly negatively commenting on a person, group of people, or the forum, and then later shortly lock it insisting that it be continued out in pm. This is abuse of the privledges, as the other person can not save face publicly, only talk about it privetly with Angelic. They it may be clarified with Angelic, the reputation still sticks. Angelic has done this before, though he does not do it often.

I'm the kind of person who, when they get angry, do something before thinking it over, get dragged into it, realise it's been a mistake and then feel stupid about it and tries to fix it as good as possible.


Take for example, the thread on AIM/MSN. Angelic claims someone as sad if they have trouble using the phone. When Alphonse asks him to apologize, he insists the person he insulted pm him about it.

I don't need Alfonse to tell me what to do. I did in the end PM Chi-chi my apologies for what I said though. It was a stupid thing to say too, I'll admit that, just didn't think enough when I posted it. Refer to the part I wrote earlier.


Angelic as threatened to close the forum down, yet when it was he who started a majority of the problems. Angelic has kicked himself from the administrator group mulitple times, as well as threatened to leave. Of course, everyone alway says "Wait, don't leave!", so he stays. I remember once, Angelic left for a few days. When no one commented on his absense, he claimed no one cared about him.

Too bad we're not all perfect and emotionally stable right?


One of the first things Angelic did when he came into the forum, was insult Gand. I would love to give you links to all the topics, but they are hidden away carefully (or deleted) in the moderators forum. I have no idea which, but there is only one place they can be since they aren't open to public.

They're probably in the rubbish bin (we actually have that) where all the inactive threads from a year ago are. I cleaned the forums out once you know? And not selective, as in "this could make me look bad" but just prune it so all topics that had been inactive for a month would get moved.


By the logic of Angelic, if he thinks a person is bad, that person is bad, until his mind has changed. Most people will say Alphonse is a good member, and a good person. But because Angelic dislikes him, Angelic claims he is a bad person. It appears to be that Angelic can never be wrong. What he thinks is what is. In fact, it was Angelic who started the problem with Alphonse in the first place.

Of course, if I think someone's bad I'd be contradicting myself if I said they were good right? :mellow:


If Angelic does not agree with someone, or does not understand their logic, by default it automatically goes to say that they have weird logic, or are completely wrong. Have anyone of you noticed that is the member that gets into the most fights/arguments? Maybe this says something about how good of a job he does moderating the forum/administrating(sp?) the forum. Does a good administrator get into fights with his members?

I bet you'd do a great job at it, I know I suck.


Angelic used to complain all the time about how hard it was being Administrator. Yet he complained ignored the fact that there were plenty of worthy members to moderate with him. Why bother volunteering to be an administrator, when you dislike it so much, and complain about it. And when there is a solution, an easy solution at hand, why not use it? I don't think administrators should ever complain about their duties.

People who have a job also complain about the work load. Why bother picking that job if it's heavy work?

From Maz's post:


Angelic threatened to ban me in the What Is Wrong With This Place thread - again, what do you think the other admins would have to say about it? I'm sorry for provoking him there, but I had a point to make - I'm still here now to tell the tale, hm?

When I get angry at someone I say more than I should x_x

From Gand's post:


Nightmare, we healed the wounds between Angelic and I LONG ago. There's a reason they were deleted and there's no reason to bring them back to the surface.

We're drinking buds now :drinking: even though I don't drink :drunk:

@red stone: Please dont act like that! I know all this fancy talk you all use NOW is amusing to read, but I bet most of you arnt like that in real life.

I seriously think that Angelic gets what he deserves, and yet he is changeing and some people are just to stiff.

EDIT:Ops, made it seem like I aimed it at Angelic O_o

If there is a clear distinction between being "too stiff" and being "correctly stiff", I'm certain that there more people will be happier. Please, do contribute your different definitions.

If there is a clear distinction between being "too stiff" and being "correctly stiff", I'm certain that there more people will be happier. Please, do contribute your different definitions.

You did it agian. I do not know anyone that would seriously act/talk like that in real life, and dont expect anyone to do so.

Why do people have to act 'siff'[trying to act proper, stuck up]?! Just say 'Can you give us a definition!?' or are you really like that?!

I know im going to make people hate me with that post, but I do not think any of you talk like that in real life. Dont try to make your self look better by posting a fancy post, just say what you want to.

~

You can flame me now, I dont care :D, im going to sleep.

That is because we are in different age groups, Radical Dreamer, and we don't live in the same environment. What may be deviant for you may be quite normal for me. Different people do have different experiences. I am what I am.

I don't want to flame you, I only want to know how you differentiate between being "too stiff" and being "correctly stiff".

Radical Dreamer, no offense or anything, but I can't figure out if your either proving the fact that the people around here perhaps need to lighten up a bit or proving that a large number of posts thesedays contain little to no substance. Light Hearted Chat not included.

But please lets return to the subject at hand...

I strongly suggest that no more swear words be used in this discussion. We are all intelligent and mature beings, capable of expressing our emotions to the fullest without resorting to such double-edged swords which might inflict wounds upon others unknowingly.

I agree with this. I also like to refer to the rule about cussing-it is okay to swear, as long as it is not at the person. I did not cuss at Zero, but used the names he referred to me as, to inquire why I was that.


"Oi" is used in England and apparently in Canada, it's meant to get someone's attention. Apparently it's kind of rude but that's another detail. For what I know it's English and I can use it.

Thank you for clarifying. My apologies, then, for this assumption.


Too bad we're not all perfect and emotionally stable right?

Yes, but I feel you can be a bit extreme. My opinion, though I don't think my opinion is too illogicial.


I bet you'd do a great job at it, I know I suck.

You are better than me when it comes to activity, and catching people breaking the rules. But when it comes to complaining, you shouldn't do that, and so I would be better than you in not complaining. This is important, as you are working with people.


People who have a job also complain about the work load. Why bother picking that job if it's heavy work?

This is a people job. You deal with people breaking the rules, not hurt the ones who are following them. A doctor doesn't tell his patient how he hates his job. Nor does a Psychologist tell his patient, or a fireman to the person he rescues. Same with a policeman, and almost every other job. You don't tell your customer you hate your job. You tell your employees, or family-just keep it out of the public forum!

Anyways, thank you for replieing calmly, and honestly. I was nervious I'd get a different reply, but instead I got this one. At Roy Mustangs request, I am supposed to make a list about myself, a critique. Please, would you add on to it?

I have:

* long, boring post
* my logic sometimes seems aimed to convince people of bad things
* I am arguementative
* I sometimes forget punctuation
* I am sometimes repetive

I feel stupid by not being able to add on more, but I am sure you, and exspecially Zero have plenty you would love to add, and I would like to hear them.

i would like to pitch in on the self-criticsim, and say again that i didn't mean to flame angelic back in any way. Sorry.

- my RP writing sucks
- I can't speel for crup (XD)
- i get pissed off easily
- i don't handle insults

Thats all i got so far...

Thank you for clarifying. My apologies, then, for this assumption.


I looked it up for you on dictionary.com


Main Entry: oy
Part of Speech: interjection
Definition:an exclamation of dismay or exasperation; also written oi; also called oy vay, oy vey
Example: It is snowing again! Oy!
Etymology: Yiddish

Lol.

On the note that Nightmare brought up, about me "following" Angelic all the time:
Okay, Angelic and I are very close obviously, so that's probably a factor of why I seem to support him all the time, it seems. But if anybody here remembers what he was like a year ago, I'd say that he has improved a lot. He has grown as a person, and he is a lot quicker at seeing his mistakes and apologising.
But he can't have done it on his own. When you are growing as a person, you need other people to support you, and that is what I have been trying to do, which I feel has helped him to a great extent. But often if people bash him, he'll try to fight back, and then again, he might say things he doesn't really mean, and it's like taking a step back.
However, there are times when maybe there is a difference of opinions between Angelic and somebody else, and although sometimes I might agree with Angelic, there are actually quite a few times when I say "hey.. I don't like how you did that, do you think that was right of you?" and then that helps him realise what he did and think more clearly.
Please don't think of me as Angelic's "puppet" (lol, spoonpuppet... anyway). I do have a mind of my own. You might think that Angelic's character and mine are quite different. I very rarely outwardly get angry at people. But when I do, people listen, because it's unexpected. Whenever there is a heated argument on the forum, I am often around, but I rarely post. I don't like to get myself invovled between the parties. However I am usually talking to Angelic on msn to help him think through things. It's probably quite selfish for me to not say anything in public, because then I'm never in the firing line, and I always seem to be the "nice" one, but I'm not blind to what happens.
I won't deny that many people here need lightening up, including Angelic, but I believe he's on the way. I would say give him a chance, but you'll just say "he's already had loads", but I think we're getting there.

On other matters: ~_~
People are never banned without good enough reason. Sometimes there are cases though that the forum staff don't publicly announce why a certain person was banned. That's because we feel that the matter should be kept private between certain people, and bringing in the whole of the forum's population in the situation won't make things any easier.
I'll just a say a quick note about some ex-members though.
Blackmage - He was one of the first, if not the first, moderator appointed by Gand. Gand made me admin, and immediately I sent him a veeeery long and stern PM about the forum, over half of which was about this particular person. Angelic's opinions at the time actually didn't play that big a part.
Music/Elle/Sex - I think many people remember this from last summer. I was in Japan at the time, but I could tell that what "happened" to Music greatly worried many people, including Angelic. When others came along and accused them of lying, Angelic stood up for Music. Of course, it's a such a serious matter, why would somebody lie about it? And when it did turn out to be a complete lie, as it was all the act of one person, she was banned. You may think that was harsh, but we did actually give this person another chance. Angelic was actually in favour of giving her another chance. But she abused it and so she was banned from the forum yet again. This member was actually related to the above member in some way, although I won't say any more about it.
There are of course other members that have had to leave this forum, some for reason which the staff have decided was best to keep private. I hope you understand that the intention of this is only for the good of the forum.

And one final note:
Everything that the forum staff do, the admins, the mods and the RP mods, is only with good intentions. We are all human, and we all make mistakes, some more than others. But we honestly and sincerely only do things which we feel would be beneficial for the forum. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes, and often a lot of work to maintain a forum like this, so please excuse us for our mistakes. We'll try our best to help this community grow and hope that people enjoy it here and stay. Thank you.

Wow. I'll talk to Dedge about his whole speaking german thing. Glad I read this.

My self-criticism:

I am way too much of a pushover x_x I do what I'm told and then I kick myself over not being more objectionable later. I hate nagging people too, I feel like I'm being a pest when I do that :\
My memory SUCKS - everyone knows this XD
I can be patronising at times, especially with regard to things I think I know a lot about
I'll bullshit my way through something instead of admitting I don't really know - I've done that so often in the RP, people ask me a question and then I'll make up a whole load of rules and crap on the spot :hey:
I am disgustingly stubborn - Angelic can testify ;)

Haha! Golden comedy. :lol:

Wow! I'm surprised how many people completely missed my point.. I'm sorry to say, but of all people I didn't expect Red Stone to completely miss it, too, taking as if I was ranting & pouting at Nightmare. Seeing how most of you didn't understand (or read) what I was saying I won't even bother blah blah 'cause I'll just be repeating myself with nothing accomplished because you people don't listen. Most of you. ;)

My post isn't about oh he did this, he didn't do this and this happened. No.
I'm dealing with the big picture, the centralizing points, the root of the problem THAT IF YOU UNDERSTAND, applies to every situation in your life.

I'm not trying to say what you want to hear, but what you need to hear.
And I ensure you -- I say these things for your own benefit, whether you accept it or not. ^_^

Zero....were not in the RP, no need to color your post...It makes it harder for me to read XD

Im sorta pissed off, I might yell at someone. My RP character has vanished, and I have worked so hard corecting and editing and crap, and I was just about to post my first mission!!!!!!!

:offtopic: <--Doesn't work :D
and in case you hadn't noticed, Zero always uses that font color :)

Zero....were not in the RP, no need to color your post...It makes it harder for me to read XD

Im sorta pissed off, I might yell at someone. My RP character has vanished, and I have worked so hard corecting and editing and crap, and I was just about to post my first mission!!!!!!!

http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=3815

Yeah - I moved it 'cause you hadn't posted for ages after getting your character approved ;)

Apparantly, from what I've seen so far in this thread, the real problem ichigo's is facing is the fact that some people don't seem to be getting along. I don't understand why people need to create so much conflict. This is supposed to be someplace where anyone can come, be welcomed, and socialize with others. I myself am a newcomer and I've noticed quite a bit of disagreements since I've been here. If this arguing continues, new members may feel obligated to leave. I certainly hope everyone can work this out and be friends again.

Also, feel free to argue with my statement. I encourage it. I might have a completely wrong perspective on what's going on here.

Anyway, we're going very much off-topic here x_x

I think whats happening now is perfectly fine. There is and will always be tension between members, and there is nothing we could do about it, and there is nothing we should. If they choose to be like that, fine, I acsept it and you should to. Push away that side and look deep into their good side. Everyone has to move on at one point or another, and letting them change by them self is the best way.

Not to mention my earlier point about sorting out grievances OFF-forum...

That too. But seriously, if they want to move on, dont stop them. If they really didnt, you will see them crall back on all fours.

All valid points. Thank you.

Haha! Golden comedy. :lol:

Wow! I'm surprised how many people completely missed my point.. I'm sorry to say, but of all people I didn't expect Red Stone to completely miss it, too, taking as if I was ranting & pouting at Nightmare. Seeing how most of you didn't understand (or read) what I was saying I won't even bother blah blah 'cause I'll just be repeating myself with nothing accomplished because you people don't listen. Most of you. ;)

I know you weren't ranting specifically at me, but regardless you were factually insulting me, as I was multiple times included in your group of people making accusations towards Angelic. I read what you said, and interpreted it in my own way. If you ask me, there are two possibilities on why everyone didn't understand. Either we are all idiots, or you simply failed to accurately deliver your point, and since by your own words most of us didn't understand it, it is probaly the second.

I read it, read it twice, and then broke it apart a third time to make my replies. You are making it seem like we break the rules, and then yell at Angelic when he gets on us for breaking them. This is untrue, and I have already explained it.


I'm not trying to say what you want to hear, but what you need to hear.
And I ensure you -- I say these things for your own benefit, whether you accept it or not. ^_^

Well, it is great to know you care about us. Though next time, if you say things for our own benefit, maybe it would help to right it more understandably, since most of us our obviously missing the point-or you simply think we are. For all I know, you may be missing the point I am trying to make entirely as well. Stop assuming what we understand and what we don't-or do a better job explaining. Also, listening and understanding are two completely different things.

Quick note about Blackmage, the forum admins, myself, and the Meaning of Life...

Blackmage was one of the first members here, back when the forum was still young (less than 100 members). He showed strong leadership capabilities, all the members seemed to like him, and he seemed to be a good fit for a moderator. Because of this, I made him a moderator.

Two weeks passed, and I started to see a problem. He was trying to be a good moderator, but he certaintly lacked the qualities that I thought I saw in him at first. He got into fights with members, including myself and Spoonpuppet. He wanted to make himself superior with his "hello, I'm a moderator" attitude. This was around the time that Spoony and I had that talk about him. I still hoped that Blackmage could pull around, so I gave him a second chance.

Around that time Angelic joined and two things happened. BM and Angelic didn't get along obviously, and I was starting to see that there was a serious problem with BM. I demoted BM to a normal member (which he took very personally and wrongfully blamed on Angelic) and we told him to behave himself. He told me, and I quote, "If you make Angelic an admin you'll be sorry." Now I don't respond well to threats, and was about to ban him outright, but he apologized.

Two weeks later Spoon and I made Angelic an admin. Blackmage tried to control himself, but due to his attitude he was banned within a week.

That's what I remember anyway... it was about a year and a half ago so if I forgot anything please let me know. x_x

*Monty Python voice* He hasn't said much about the meaning of life, has he? well maybe next time ;)

EDIT: Oh yeah, the RP! The RP is like a value-added service of the forums. Even if a majority of the posts were in the RP, I would never consider this "stealing" from the forum. All of the RP mods put so much effort into the RP to make it as great is, and I'm very, very grateful for everything they have done!

woah obviously I haven't been up to date with everything on the forums.
As for the hate against angelic thing, ok so sometimes his method of getting the message across to some people may be a bit inappropriate he's still doing his job that he doesnt have to do in order to make the forum go smooth for us all. It's like a bouncer on a door, yea ok he may reject loads of people for not having their i.d. but in doing so he insures that all the minors are kept out, he maybe hated for being strict but lets face it those who are calm get taken advantage of and all the young uns get in.

as for the random japanese comments, i'll admit i do it as well, alot at home very little on msn but never on the forums. It kind of seems like wow ok you know how to say a word in japanese, well done about everyone here already knew it. You don't speak japanese fluently and even so there are others here who are more fluent than you so dont try showing off because you could be brought straight down.

hmmm hope i got some views across without being too offencive. im sure there are loads to rant about me but we've had none so far so im happy ^_^

I don't "hate" Angelic. I think he is a good person. I simply have a problem with some of the things he does. If I tore apart your favorite book, and then you confronted me about it, would that be you having hate towards me? For example, let us say a parent finds his or her child's pornography magzine underneath the bed. The boy was told clearly that not porn would be allowed. So they tear it up, and pitch it.

Both people, parent and child, can argue that they are in the right. The child because he payed for it with his money, and the parent because it was forbidden in the first place. It doesn't mean they are having hate against each other, this is just a disagreement. This is the exact same situation-me and Angelic do not get along, and so I comment on what I feel the problems are. Other members are too.

It is unfair to call this thread a bashing on Angelic and try to shift it, when some of us feel that he is the problem. Even if he isn't the problem, it is still best to work this out so we don't have to deal with it again in the future, or reduce the number of times we do have to deal with it. Honestly, this thread was meant for us to tell what we think our problems were, without insulting the other people. Most of us have managed this.

If people had a problem with me, and I am sure some do, I would be bothered that I was a problem, but I would certainly rather know this, then simply not know at all. Maybe Angelic feels differently, but never the less, I think the majority of this topic has been done rather well.

Okay, I think that we should really change topics. We have been talking about Angelic for the past 2 pages almost. I think it is time to move on. I think that if anyone wants to continue to speak on the matter of Angelic, that it should be done through pm. There are much more important issues which should be discussed here. That is just my opinion, however.

If there are much more important issues, why don't you bring them up? I, as for right now, at least, have said all I felt I have needed to say on Angelic. But perhaps other members would like to say something too.

The point of this topic was to try to make ichigos a better place by talking about issues/people/whatever that we feel does not help, in a civilized manner. Whether we talk about Angelic for 2 pages, or 10, the point is to say how we feel. When someone gets tired of talking about Angelic, we don't simply just move on. We will move on when feel we are finished. I am one of those that feel I am finished, but when different people post different thoughts, there is always that possibility that I will have something to say towards those thoughts, be it negative or possitive.

So if you wish us to stop talking about him, then bring up your important issues, please. Otherwise, please let us try and resolve this, or say what we feel we need to say.

I give up... I tried, and failed...

And, by the way, I DID specifically state that it was my opinion, and as such, it is just a suggestion. You don't have to follow it. As to the more important issues, there are plenty, but I can't name them, and even if I could, I don't really feel like it. I was just stating that there are more important issues. This thread has gotten repetitive. As such, I strongly feel that we should take this to the source. For example, if I had a problem with someone, I wouldn't publicly announce it. I would calmly just type up a short pm explaining my problem to the person. That is what I believe is a mature way to handle things. And if you want to blow off steam, and think you may be offensive, write a letter to yourself. It may not sound therapeudic, but it works. See, this thread has started a battle. Some fight against Angelic, some fight with him. That was not the purpose of this thread. The purpose was to be able to say how you felt about a person without any retaliation. Many have chosen to use this as a safe haven of hate. You can say whatever you want about someone and all they can do is read it. That is not an honorable thing to do, or a mature thing. If you REALLY believe someone is wrong, tell them to their face (or in this case via message). That way problems can be worked out, not instigated. And that way, no one gets involved in your problems, and vice versa.

^I would liike to take the time again to point out that this is MY OPINION it does not have to be agreed upon, or cared about. You DO NOT have to follow my advice, and I AM NOT forcing anyone to do so. I am just simply stating what i see as the best course of action.

Ok, since you guys want something else to talk about. I've been posting in the at Ichigo's for only a few months, and not particularly active in any other forum than Compositions (mainly because it's just takes too much time and effort to weed through General Forums and whatnot for something interesting, but not too time-consuming to post about) - so you'll probably just ignore me, like I've been for the most part.
I have some suggestions, mainly for the composition forum. Now I post on several composition forums, Ichigo's being one of them of course. Of course, the main problem in these type of boards is that the ratio between number of pieces and the number of comments is very high. I know that many people don't have time to comment on every piece, or even have anything to say about it at all. And new pieces come out before the older ones get commented, and often overshadows them. I think maybe you guys should enforce some sort of quota as to how much someone can upload per week or so, to give the pieces more time to sink in (Now I know this won't help those who link off-site, but the greater majority of composers in this forum seem to use the attachment space provided). This will also hopefully make people spend a little bit more time on their pieces before posting it, polishing it up as best as they can at the moment. Bandwidth will also be saved a bit (how much do you guys allow us to upload anyway? I remember I uploaded at least 20-30 megs on the old boards, and it didn't seem to give any indication of capping).

I have some suggestions, mainly for the composition forum. Now I post on several composition forums, Ichigo's being one of them of course. Of course, the main problem in these type of boards is that the ratio between number of pieces and the number of comments is very high. I know that many people don't have time to comment on every piece, or even have anything to say about it at all. And new pieces come out before the older ones get commented, and often overshadows them. I think maybe you guys should enforce some sort of quota as to how much someone can upload per week or so, to give the pieces more time to sink in (Now I know this won't help those who link off-site, but the greater majority of composers in this forum seem to use the attachment space provided). This will also hopefully make people spend a little bit more time on their pieces before posting it, polishing it up as best as they can at the moment. Bandwidth will also be saved a bit (how much do you guys allow us to upload anyway? I remember I uploaded at least 20-30 megs on the old boards, and it didn't seem to give any indication of capping).

From my experience, this is something that's better done as a suggestion rather than trying to enforce limits. It's a good suggestion though.

In view of all the self-flogging and finger-pointing, one might think that self-criticism at the start of the post would buy you a ticket to post here. ;) So here goes~

- Syaoran doesn't come as often to the forum as some of the people here, though he does read a lot of the posts when he does come. (As it is, he still has yet to getting around his avatar fixed)
- Syaoran is therefore quite ignorant of a lot of tensions between members.
- Syaoran doesn't always post politically correct posts (like the one on toning down sexual language for younger members, and yes, i was shocked at the way it was interpreted, but it has alerted me that what one thinks he is saying may not be understood the same way as others)

I probably have more, but the point is made already.


I believe i get what you were trying to say Zero, though trying to plough through all those f-words was a bit mind-boggling. :P Nevertheless, i agree with your point. That's life. Get a grip. A really good one. A forum is not your Neopets world or some virtual haven. It is a social community if you haven't realised. Which also means that the way people interact socially will be reflected here similarly. So if someone insults you in your real life, who would you go to? Go write an article for the newspaper ranting about it? The most logical thing to do will probably be to face up to that person calmly and reason things out. If things get violent, then there is always a police force (hopefully).

The situation of the forum is no less. If you feel you are short-changed, or you feel someone has unrightfully stepped on your dignity, thrash things out. That's the way life is. Speak out for your own rights.

And yes, if you can help it, do it behind the scenes. Unless you get ignored or there is an obvious need to get public pressure, don't thrash things out in the open. Other members will get affected too.


I do not worship Angelic or kiss the ground he steps on, but at this point in time, I give him my support. I have seen for myself the way he moves around unseen to maintain the order on the forum. For instance, he probably thought the "Fav Fruit Basket Couple" thread was not exactly the most intellectual thing around, and when it escalated into an ugly fight, he quickly killed it off. This meaning that he had been following the thread progress despite being utterly bored of it. And this is no doubt the acts of a responsible Admin. Lurking around the forum, maintaining its order while appearing as the "bad guy".

And like Nightmare, i had thought a very different reply would appear on this thread. Yet, Angelic calmly replied to every point brought up against him, and made an honest cofession to his own short comings. This is again maturity that some of us seem to have missed in our tirade against him.

I do not say he is perfect, and this is obvious. I feel disturbed when i read his post "...and that in fact you're kind of sad? " in one of the threads. I felt it was inappropriate, and if it were just a member, the person would have probably gotten a warning from a mod. I also did not like the way he handed Al's post asking for an apology. Nevertheless, he has apologised.

Or like this:
"You really want to try me?" in response to Madz saying "You know perfectly well that you can't ban anyone who just happens to mention a Japanese word."
Angelic probably won't. If he does, it is out of anger and he will get back rationality quickly. But was it necessary to say something like that? Any member new to the scene would think that this was the way the forums worked.


Still, I am fixed on my stand. ENOUGH. This will never end. You will be able to produce 1001 reasons why he is a bad admin, and someone else or himself would be able to give yet another 1001 reasons to counter those. The fact is, you don't own the forum just like you don't own the world. There is a certain order (i rather not use hierachy due to its negative connotations) of authority already existing. If you can't get the world to move the way you would like it, then things will definitely be the same here.

Anyone with some leadership experience would know that being a mod or admin would definitely not be easy. And they are all humans, so spare them some thought when they lose their temper. Sure, there is a great deal Angelic can improve his way of dealing of people, and I would also look forward to it if he does. But ultimately, he is who he is. You don't have to love him, but you should accept that he's one of the many people you will meet in life.

My first actual contact with Angelic was only in the RP fight. I would admit that i was actually very apprehensive before the fight, having this initial feeling that I was surely going to lose since my opponent was a Mod. Yet, he did not crticise any of my posts (it was my first battle, and i am sure i did not use our both chrs ideally) Imagine my shock when he just conceded at the end of it. The winner was not me that day, but him, for he made me see a very different side of him. :)

It doesn't matter very much to me what kind of relationships he has with other members. My relationship with every single member is independent of the others. Al, to me, a great joy to have around, with an optimistic and matured outlook. And yeah, a great clan mate too XD Madz would always be the friendly and helpful RP mod with a bright personality. I don't give two hoots about what other people would think because this is MY opinion. You are free to have yours, as much as I am to mine. Likewise, my opinion of Angelic stays.

All in all, let us cool down a little. We just need a little space and time right now. :drinking:


So if you wish us to stop talking about him, then bring up your important issues, please. Otherwise, please let us try and resolve this, or say what we feel we need to say.

I totally agree. But seeing the things way are, i think most of the points have already been brought up and addressed. So unless anyone has a whole new set of points, don't drag out the old, addressed ones because it would simply break healing wounds.

Again, this entire post is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree if you want. I have said my fill on the matter.

Regards,
Syaoran

ps. Fall of Ichigo's Redux huh? Heh. There will come a time where people will grow old and leave, and fresh blood may not fill this forum as it now does, but this is not the time. It will be a great pity if ti were. For all those members out there who share this same love for the forum as I do, let us all calm down.

*applauds*

Yes, Amen.

Before I quote people, I just want to say a few things. I am not fighting Angelic, Angelic is not fighting me, (in this thread anyways.) No one, except for Zero, is cussing anybody out, most have us have managed to calmly bring up our points. Just because what we say opposes what the other person says doesn't mean it is a fight.


That's life. Get a grip. A really good one. A forum is not your Neopets world or some virtual haven. It is a social community if you haven't realised. Which also means that the way people interact socially will be reflected here similarly. So if someone insults you in your real life, who would you go to? Go write an article for the newspaper ranting about it? The most logical thing to do will probably be to face up to that person calmly and reason things out. If things get violent, then there is always a police force (hopefully).

I don't think it is quite fair to compare a forum to real life. And I can also say that many, many people behave far differently offline than they do online. The whole purpose of this topic was, like I said before, to say what we feel is a problem/discuss issues/get them off our back. It seems you are trying to tell us not to complain about anything, and pretend everything is fine, which defeats the whole purpose of this thread.

Trust me, I would never have written that about Angelic if it weren't for this thread. Had I ever done that, I would have so many people upset at me, and even if people agreed, I would be in the wrong for trying to pick a fight. But for your insult situation, let me see if I can put it into a better perspective.

In the real world, do you ever see a businessman insult his client? What if you were fat, and went through McDonalds. And everytime you went through, as they gave you your food, they called you a fat pig. Would you want to go that McDonalds again? I sure as hell wouldn't-they just called me a fat pig!!! You said it yourself-a forum is a social community, and we have moderators and administrators to keep it clean. What good is an administrator or a moderator if he scares his customers away?

If you walk into a store, and some lunatic comes your way, starts screaming at you, calling you names, would you want to stay in that store with him? I would be trying to get the hell out. And since I was but one customer that lunatic scared away, imagine how many more customers the lunatic can scare away. But thankfully we have police to deal with people like him. Just like we have moderators and administrators to prevent people who drive other users away from the forum out of the forum. After all, the forum isn't much of a social community if there isn't many people there in the first place.

I don't think anyones ever left because their feelings were hurt by Angelic. But just because people do not leave, does not mean that everything is okay. A majority of us want this community we have here to be a kind, friendly, and welcoming community-not one where insults are tossed about. And Angelic's job is to try to try and keep it to that type of community-as well as make sure everything is in place.


For instance, he probably thought the "Fav Fruit Basket Couple" thread was not exactly the most intellectual thing around, and when it escalated into an ugly fight, he quickly killed it off. This meaning that he had been following the thread progress despite being utterly bored of it. And this is no doubt the acts of a responsible Admin. Lurking around the forum, maintaining its order while appearing as the "bad guy".

Oh, he can do a good job moderating. He probaly does the best job, in fact. The moderating part isn't what I am annoyed at, it is the sometimes uncessary comments that go with it. But then again, they broke the rules after all, so...sometimes I feel they kind of deserve it. Of course Angelic has his strengths. I am only saying, his weaknesses are...upsetting some of the members in the forum. No, we aren't going to cry about it, but it is bothersome and something we could certainly do without.


And like Nightmare, i had thought a very different reply would appear on this thread. Yet, Angelic calmly replied to every point brought up against him, and made an honest cofession to his own short comings. This is again maturity that some of us seem to have missed in our tirade against him.

I do not say he is perfect, and this is obvious. I feel disturbed when i read his post "...and that in fact you're kind of sad? " in one of the threads. I felt it was inappropriate, and if it were just a member, the person would have probably gotten a warning from a mod. I also did not like the way he handed Al's post asking for an apology. Nevertheless, he has apologised.

Again, I won't argue that he doesn't do mature things. In fact, sometimes Angelic can be really nice. For example, he was very nice to care about Music, and try and help her, even though she decieved him-and even gave her a second chance. I try to look for good in him, and for me, I can find it pretty easily. But even so, my point is that some of the things he does needs to stop.

Using the "no one is perfect" sentence, you can make a murderer look better. Even though the murderer made a mistake, even though his emotions got the better of him, he still did the crime, and the damage has been dealt. He can apologize later, he can try his harderst to make it up, but he has already inflicted the damage. This was, obviously, an overexaggerated example, but I did so for clarity, so I think you can understand what I mean.



Again, this entire post is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree if you want. I have said my fill on the matter.

Try not to hate me, lol, but I do indeed disagree. I know I am arguementative, so I apologize, but some of the comments you mentioned in there, I just think are a bit...put into a wrong perspective. Usually when I reply on what someone thinks, I get lectured on how it is only their opinion, and how I shouldn't comment on it. But I am going to take a risk, and assume you don't have a problem with it, and that you wouldn't be insulted if I actually oppose your opinion. So, my apologies if I am offensive, I certainly try not to be!

Nightmare, do you have the title deeds to this little soapbox of yours? You see, I'm sure there are other people who would like to use it, just for a little while, in order to state their opinions without having them incorporated into your propaganda drive.

I have every single right to comment on other people's opinions, if it is on topic. Just like I don't have a problem with other people commenting on my opinions. I don't think people, including myself, though I am sure you may wish to disclude me, should have to have worry about how many times they post, or what they post, as long as it doesn't break the rules. Dislike me all you want for me being arguemenative, but that doesn't help a single thing.

Just like Syaoran said, "But ultimately, he is who he is. You don't have to love him, but you should accept that he's one of the many people you will meet in life." Just like Angelic, I too have my own problems, and that is, as I have already mentioned, is being arguementative. Of course, people like you are going to get annoyed because I keep arguing, and thus my actions do have their negative effects on others. So I find it much easier for me to, rather than not argue, just debate the more important issues, and skip over the minor ones.

And who's to say I have a propoganda drive? What I wrote was either what I believe, was my opinion, or was a fact. Same thing for what other people wrote. If my post is a propoganda drive, then it is fair to say that everyone else's post is a propoganda drive as well.

So if you dislike some of the things that I say, I am sorry. But I feel the need to say them, just as much as you felt the need to type out the post you just posted before me.

But I feel the need to say them, just as much as you felt the need to type out the post you just posted before me.

Yes, I did - I've said my piece now. I won't contribute any more, you can have the stage all to yourself and your mountainous grievances.

madmazda86, would you please stop trying to make it look like I am trying to pull a self-pity act here? I am only putting down my views, just as you are putting down yours. You have no idea who I am, what I think, how I percieve things, or what I want. It really does irritate me when you are trying to make me look bad, and exspecially when you have no idea what I do think. I have been respectful of everyone else's posts here-even if I disagreed and commented on them, so why can't you be respectful towards mine?

Edit: Okay, I also apologize for going off topic. I just got a little upset at madmazda86, and got carried away.

Edit edit: Will some moderator please delete all the posts in this thread from post number 75 to this post? I think all these posts were a waste of time, they are not on topic, and I regret responding to madmaz in the first place. He is one of those small issues I simply should have ignored, but I got annoyed and so replied. I apologize once again for going off topic.

Maz might be relatively small size-wise but whatever else she may be, she's not a "he". Trust me on that one. :)

Cheers,

Zeus B)

lol!

Yea, unless you have compleatly been blind sighted and missed the many photos Maz posted, you must have seen a beautiful person standing there. Unless you were half blind and drunk and saw an ugly man. But I bet the rest of us saw a beautiful woman standing with her Bleach T-Shirt!

Wow. That was incredibly off-topic! :topic:

Not really, the topic is say what is making tension between members, and that might be some tension.

The tpoic is not 'Lets Flame Angelic =)'.

I am a girl. I have permanent PMT. If you still think I am a guy after reading this, I will SLAP you!I think........................ you're a gu--*slap*

Ahem.. now where was I?

Oh yeah, read Syaoran's post. It's good.

I am very sorry, maz-I know you are a girl, I just keep making the same mistake of putting you down as a he. You would think I would have gotten the picture by now, but apparently I am too stupid to remember ot type it as a she. I will make an effort to not let myself forget again.

:D I think people should stop fighting and get on luffin'! ^o^ Either that, or we should set up a teleportation ring. >> When people are down are mad, we hug them. XD If that doesn't work, we bound and gag them before taking them as our hostages. >> << Good plan, yes? Yes?

i like the hostage bit. but can't we do it like CS and just point guns at the hostages while they stand there?

Blackmage was a moderator and he was damn proud of it, even though he did a bad job at him. Eventually Gand kicked him out of the moderator group, something he didn't like and since I had just become mod or admin then, he blamed me for it and only started to come here to cause trouble and provoke me. I gave him several warnings and ended up banning him after so many warnings to keep the place clean of his attacks.

Of course I was to be damn proud of it. I was only just 14 at the time, very young to have been given a moderating position. It would have been better perhaps if some one had showed me how to moderate forums so that I could have done a much better job. But that's in the past, Gand's removing of me from the team allowed me to move onto creating my own forum and super-moderating three others, larger than Ichigo's. So in that sense, I suppose I'm glad. :)

However, we initally fell out because you were stereo-typing Scotland. We do not live in cotages, the only time you can eat meat haggis is Robert Burn's day and people actually find '500 Miles' offensive in Inverness - mainly because of a recent, joke stunt involving this song.

Well, I'm glad I got that off my chance. But Angelic and I are fine now, it was almost two years now and I have quite matured.

Edit: This is almost like a soap-opera :D

I don't know whether this is on-topic or not, but anyway. :hey:

Dear nightmare, I think what maz and aoiryuukishi are saying is that, you have gotten your point about angelic across --- it's not that we are ignoring it by trying to shift the topic away. And since we have read and assimilated what you have said, it's time to move on and explore other dimensions of the issue.

Yup ---I know you feel that Angelic's remarks are sometimes insensitive and hurtful and uncalled for, and i also know that otherwise, you find him a responsible mod. So give him some time to act on what you have given him for feedback ok? The past is already set; what he has done, he has done...so it won't really be productive to harp on something that cannot be changed. As for the future, well, then this is the time we should give him some space to improve on his shortcomings before harping upon them again.

And um...here's a little feedback for you too...try to be a little less defensive of yourself yah? :) Sometimes it's not that people don't get you; it's just that they get tired of you repeating what you have said,everytime they put in an alternative viewpoint of their own. I know you do read and try to understand, but to others, because you shoot down everything they say with the arguments you have already put forth beforehand, they feel that you aren't really listening, and your only aim is to defend yourself and your arguments.

ok. I hope i got my points across. :unsure:

Dear nightmare, I think what maz and aoiryuukishi are saying is that, you have gotten your point about angelic across --- it's not that we are ignoring it by trying to shift the topic away. And since we have read and assimilated what you have said, it's time to move on and explore other dimensions of the issue.

Yup ---I know you feel that Angelic's remarks are sometimes insensitive and hurtful and uncalled for, and i also know that otherwise, you find him a responsible mod. So give him some time to act on what you have given him for feedback ok? The past is already set; what he has done, he has done...so it won't really be productive to harp on something that cannot be changed. As for the future, well, then this is the time we should give him some space to improve on his shortcomings before harping upon them again.

And um...here's a little feedback for you too...try to be a little less defensive of yourself yah? :) Sometimes it's not that people don't get you; it's just that they get tired of you repeating what you have said,everytime they put in an alternative viewpoint of their own. I know you do read and try to understand, but to others, because you shoot down everything they say with the arguments you have already put forth beforehand, they feel that you aren't really listening, and your only aim is to defend yourself and your arguments.

ok. I hope i got my points across. :unsure:
Possibly the most mature and wisest post in this entire topic ;)

Of course I was to be damn proud of it. I was only just 14 at the time, very young to have been given a moderating position. It would have been better perhaps if some one had showed me how to moderate forums so that I could have done a much better job. But that's in the past, Gand's removing of me from the team allowed me to move onto creating my own forum and super-moderating three others, larger than Ichigo's. So in that sense, I suppose I'm glad. :)

However, we initally fell out because you were stereo-typing Scotland. We do not live in cotages, the only time you can eat meat haggis is Robert Burn's day and people actually find '500 Miles' offensive in Inverness - mainly because of a recent, joke stunt involving this song.

Well, I'm glad I got that off my chance. But Angelic and I are fine now, it was almost two years now and I have quite matured.

Edit: This is almost like a soap-opera :D

Lol, I never said Scottish people lived in cottages, just that I was going to Scotland and I'd stay in a holiday cottage :heh: and of course there's a stereotype of what a Scottish person looks like ( :mchaggis: ) but that's for every nation. According to many foreigners Dutch people all walk around on clogs and we smoke weed all day while cheese is the only thing we eat x_x and we live in windmills with tulips in the garden.

I think the best thing to do with Stereotypes is to just laugh at them because they are generally funny :D

bonza! XD

I know this is off topic but I just wanted to make sure: So DarkClone is the user formerly known as Blackmage? :mellow: I thought he said he was new...

I didn't want to attract too much attention. I just wanted to have a quiet experience this time at Ichigo's. However, it's fine now. Angelic and I aren't bitter enemies anymore ;)

Ahh: I love this! - :mchaggis:

I don't know whether this is on-topic or not, but anyway. :hey:

Dear nightmare, I think what maz and aoiryuukishi are saying is that, you have gotten your point about angelic across --- it's not that we are ignoring it by trying to shift the topic away. And since we have read and assimilated what you have said, it's time to move on and explore other dimensions of the issue.

Yup ---I know you feel that Angelic's remarks are sometimes insensitive and hurtful and uncalled for, and i also know that otherwise, you find him a responsible mod. So give him some time to act on what you have given him for feedback ok? The past is already set; what he has done, he has done...so it won't really be productive to harp on something that cannot be changed. As for the future, well, then this is the time we should give him some space to improve on his shortcomings before harping upon them again.

And um...here's a little feedback for you too...try to be a little less defensive of yourself yah? :) Sometimes it's not that people don't get you; it's just that they get tired of you repeating what you have said,everytime they put in an alternative viewpoint of their own. I know you do read and try to understand, but to others, because you shoot down everything they say with the arguments you have already put forth beforehand, they feel that you aren't really listening, and your only aim is to defend yourself and your arguments.

ok. I hope i got my points across. :unsure:

Thank you, kquietude-that helped me understand things a lot better. You did indeed get your point across, quite nicely too, and I will aim to avoid doing this in the future, now that I know a bit more specifically what to work on. Alss, my apologies to those whose opinions I did shoot down.

I hope that this is the beginning of something new at Ichigo's, everyone finally having sorted their differences. Even if it did take two years.

if they are sorted out at any point, its good.

*walks in*

I think everyone's complaints and rebuttals and crazy long speeches have been made. Congrats Blackmage for coming back, I believe that there is no need to further continue this topic.

That is my super long speech right there.

Ok, this is about my opinion in the sheet music request thread. This for people who ask for transcriptions in a weird fashion and continuously do it.

When someone asks like, “If you have music sheet for Dragon Ball Z, let me know.” Do you know am I thinking when I read that? I definitely ignore the post. Why? Because that person isn’t specific, and therefore doesn’t know what they want. And if people don’t know exactly what the requester wants, people can’t help them.

If someone asks, “I want the music sheet for Azumanga Daioh Theme.” I either ignore it, or ask them for more information. I would like to know for what instrument, and what part they want that instrument to play.

There should be “no questions asked” when you ask for a request. It should be very clear what you want, and no one should ask questions like “What do you mean?” after you posted.

So if you ask something like this:
“I would like a transcription of the following:
Inuyasha – Itazurana Kiss
Singing part for flute”

It’s really obvious what you want, and someone is more inclined to transcribe it.

I want to help people when they ask for transcriptions, it’s just that if they don’t do their part, I can’t do mine.

Completely agree. That's what the rules are there for... if only people read them

Trust me Gedtag I go through the same thing. Thank goodness some of the people correct their mistakes the second time though (although that's not true for all).

hunh, everything that needs to be said has been said ^_^ so i will just say, LOVE EVERYONE!

...ok, maybe that's going too far ^_^; but everyone should just accept everyone else as who they are.

oh, and oi is used in Australia too, it's even in a chant! "Aussie Aussie Aussie! Oi Oi Oi!"

so everyone, take a chill pill and relax, being so tightly strung is not good for your health ;)

although...no, there has been enough conflict and i shall keep this away for some other tme that hopefully will never come ^_^

Many of you have said before that Ichigo's has "lost it's spark" or "it's not the same anymore". There are many other facets of the issue at hand that we can discuss other than Angelic.

Here are the things that made me lose interest in Ichigos.

1) What ever happened to Spoonpuppet, and her solo requests topic? She hasnt posted in her own topic for a long time. I know things are keeping her from transcribing, but atleast let us know once in a while her progress, you know?

2) In the RP, not alot of things are happening. Self-Explanitory.


From what I can tell, this seemed to be sparked by the English-only rule. Maybe I can clarify a bit.

The rule is designed for two purposes: First of all, this is an English forum, so it's expected that if you can understand English reasonably well you can participate in discussions. This means you shouldn't be posting in German, Japanese, ig-pay atin-lay or any other non-english language. Secondly (and here's where we've been running into a problem) noone should be interjecting words for the sole purpose of having the word there.

This is just fine: "I polished my katanas last night."
This isn't: "My katanas are so kawaii!"

Obviously, katana is a borrowed word from the Japanese language what is not in the English dicitonary (I think..) Yes, you could say "curved, Japanese sword" but there's no reason to. However, there is no reason to use kawaii. It is obviously being used for the sole purpose of the existance of Japanese in the sentance. Why can't you just use cute? And why are your katanas cute anyway?

There's no way to explicitly define this as a rule. However, we take two big steps to solving this problem. First, ask yourself if you are putting a foreign word in your post "is it really needed to convey the meaning?" If it's not, use the translation. If you REALLY think it is, provide a translation. If it's a loan word, like katana, it's fine. Second, if you get called out or warned for using it by a mod or other member, don't get offended. Edit your post, apologise (don't say "gomen nasai ") and don't worry about it!

Hope this helps... and by the way, Ichigo's is a proper name, so don't pick on that please


I dont know if this helps, but if someone wants to post something in japanese, let them but they must give the translation in parenthesis. Just like what I always do. That can get rid of confusion. However, dont type in japanese too much since it can get annoying to read. Also note that Oi is used in Japan meaning "hey", and is also used in Canada and America.


Everyone's so quick to criticise others yet they fail to criticise themselves.

Like I usually say, most people know how to exploit other people, but they dont even know how to exploit themselves except for exploiting themselves forcefully for the wrong reasons. Okay back onto topic.

Here are the things that made me lose interest in Ichigos.

1) What ever happened to Spoonpuppet, and her solo requests topic? She hasnt posted in her own topic for a long time. I know things are keeping her from transcribing, but atleast let us know once in a while her progress, you know?
I think she's busy starting University. She'll get back to it, don't worry ^_^

2) In the RP, not alot of things are happening. Self-Explanitory.
Same story I think... :think: I know last year around this time it got pretty quiet as people got situated in their new schools.


I dont know if this helps, but if someone wants to post something in japanese, let them but they must give the translation in parenthesis. Just like what I always do. That can get rid of confusion. However, dont type in japanese too much since it can get annoying to read. Also note that Oi is used in Japan meaning "hey", and is also used in Canada and America.
ya, that's why I said ask yourself if it's really needed to convey the meaning, then include a translation.

The RP is in a lull at the moment - it's mainly because the plot is drawing to a close but once the new chapter is open things will speed up heaps :) I'm sorry that I killed your character off right as he entered the plot, Hiei, but the death of all participants was essential for what is going to happen next - it was nothing personal against you or any other RPer. Another reason why it's gone quiet is due to the fact that I haven't had the spare time to mark missions since I came back from my work experience - however I do have time today and some more will go up. Unfortunately these kinds of things happen from time to time, which results in a lull. However there are other things that you can do - start a battle, write a subplot, do freelancing, place some bets on other fighters, etc. Things will pick up - they nearly always do :)

The RP is in a lull at the moment - it's mainly because the plot is drawing to a close but once the new chapter is open things will speed up heaps :) I'm sorry that I killed your character off right as he entered the plot, Hiei, but the death of all participants was essential for what is going to happen next - it was nothing personal against you or any other RPer. Another reason why it's gone quiet is due to the fact that I haven't had the spare time to mark missions since I came back from my work experience - however I do have time today and some more will go up. Unfortunately these kinds of things happen from time to time, which results in a lull. However there are other things that you can do - start a battle, write a subplot, do freelancing, place some bets on other fighters, etc. Things will pick up - they nearly always do :)
Of course, that means more time to reply in the other topics...
This place is a bit dead compared to other forums, not that I make that comment in a negative way. Just hope people start to contribute more in the music forum especially.

there isn't as many people as other forums, so there are less replies. it also doesn't help that lots of people are leaving for different reasons, and that some people can only occasionally get on.

Yeah, this forum is relatively small, and even then, only a small percentage are regular posters. Many have faded off, blatantly left, lost interest, moved on and such. But we're also getting loads of new members. I dunno, Ichigo's has changed, yes yes, though, at the moment, that could swing either way.

EDIT: hopefully there will be a good mix of old and new members

Dude, if you haven't noticed, there are fewer and fewer "older" members posting, as in, ones who've been here longer. Meh, like they say, introduce some fresh blood.

Just make sure it isn't infected with AIDS.

Pot, I'd like you to meet Kettle.

Why thank you Red Stone. That must be the most charming thing I have heard all day.

You're very welcome; it is but the civic duty of an Ichiogoer to illuminate the clueless.

Your vigilance is highly commendable, but I'm pretty sure that the fresh blood will not be pleased to know that they have been screened for such a terribly disreputably base disease.

After all, we did not presume to judge you in such a crude fashion when you first arrived.

Dude, if you haven't noticed, there are fewer and fewer "older" members posting, as in, ones who've been here longer. Meh, like they say, introduce some fresh blood.
*Ahem*

I am an older member. -_- and I post most of the time.

*raises eyebrows*

Come on, Red.... she was JOKING. She knows that she's a n00b (hell... I remind her of the fact fairly regularly :P)

Okay, so the joke wasn't in the best taste, but it WAS still a joke mate!

Of course I was to be damn proud of it. I was only just 14 at the time, very young to have been given a moderating position. It would have been better perhaps if some one had showed me how to moderate forums so that I could have done a much better job. But that's in the past, Gand's removing of me from the team allowed me to move onto creating my own forum and super-moderating three others, larger than Ichigo's. So in that sense, I suppose I'm glad. :)

However, we initally fell out because you were stereo-typing Scotland. We do not live in cotages, the only time you can eat meat haggis is Robert Burn's day and people actually find '500 Miles' offensive in Inverness - mainly because of a recent, joke stunt involving this song.

Well, I'm glad I got that off my chance. But Angelic and I are fine now, it was almost two years now and I have quite matured.

Edit: This is almost like a soap-opera :D

People dont "teach" you how to mod. Unless your talking about deleting posts and such.
Being glad because your modding your own forum and 3 others that are bigger than ichigos doesnt make you a better mod. Its not the value, but the quality of how you mod.

One has to be ever so vigilant of the consequences of one's actions, and in this case, what the taste of one's humour can arouse from the abyssal depths of a twisted mind.

To Those Reading: Red Stone is demonstrating an example of not considering the consequences of his actions. If all goes well*, he will soon demonstrate the phenomenon of Consuming the Ethereal, more commonly known as Eating One's Words.

*relatively speaking

Hiei, was there really a need to drag that up again? It happened over a page ago (and I have 30 posts per page) and anyway, he was talking about how the problems that were involving him got solved. One can generally NOT just know automatically how to be a decent moderator, and even if YOU don't get what he means by 'teaching' him to be one, I do.

*pats Red Stone on the head*

She says she's sorry for the joke if it offended ;)

Ok, this is about my opinion in the sheet music request thread. This for people who ask for transcriptions in a weird fashion and continuously do it.

When someone asks like, “If you have music sheet for Dragon Ball Z, let me know.” Do you know am I thinking when I read that? I definitely ignore the post. Why? Because that person isn’t specific, and therefore doesn’t know what they want. And if people don’t know exactly what the requester wants, people can’t help them.

If someone asks, “I want the music sheet for Azumanga Daioh Theme.” I either ignore it, or ask them for more information. I would like to know for what instrument, and what part they want that instrument to play.

There should be “no questions asked” when you ask for a request. It should be very clear what you want, and no one should ask questions like “What do you mean?” after you posted.

So if you ask something like this:
“I would like a transcription of the following:
Inuyasha – Itazurana Kiss
Singing part for flute”

It’s really obvious what you want, and someone is more inclined to transcribe it.

I want to help people when they ask for transcriptions, it’s just that if they don’t do their part, I can’t do mine.

Here's something that can be done:

When you click on that section, the accouncement of the rules appears RIGHT IN YOUR FACE forcing you to read it and press the button to continue to the forum. Chances are this might help some people to read it rather than just request random stuff without reading the rules.

To Random Tangent: I only adressed my opinions. Nothing more. If you like I'm no longer replying toward that situation.

Hiei you just went from commenting on one old and done topic to pointing out the obvious on another old topic.

I'm Sorry?

I have a question: when i checked a while ago, i was surprised to see 4 admins (standard 3 and another guy with the original name "admin"). He had no personal information whatsoever, i cannot recall seeing him post; was he created for a reson (my apologies if im wrong, but i am of the opinion that he was created as a spare administrator account who can ban people - that way members won't know who exactly banned the person, and cannot flame him/her. It would be pretty hard to flame a person that doesn't exist)

oh and just now i checked it again - 3 admins again (Yay!). Only thing is, Angelic isn't one of them... :sherlock:

"admin" is one of Gand's accounts for technical purposes.

And.... no. Why would anyone create an extra account just to hide who banned people? That's retarded. I guess if the person's a pussy (sorry, couldn't think of another word), wuss, or a stupid fuck

..then yes.

Gand wouldn't do lowly things as such~

Read General Chat page 551 for Angelic's account.

Admin is, if I'm not mistaken, the default admin account that comes with vBulletin. It's also the überadmin with most power, Gand can do stuff none of the other admin accounts can do with that account. Generally stuff that's not important. About banning, you can easily ban people without them ever knowing who did it. You don't need a anonymous account for that.

Gand wouldn't do lowly things as such~

No disrespect meant; it was just the only explanation I could come up with

Admin is, if I'm not mistaken, the default admin account that comes with vBulletin. It's also the überadmin with most power, Gand can do stuff none of the other admin accounts can do with that account. Generally stuff that's not important. About banning, you can easily ban people without them ever knowing who did it. You don't need a anonymous account for that.
It's very easy to set another member to be superadmin, though, so the default account is pretty redundant.

Gand couldn't be bothered :P

People dont "teach" you how to mod. Unless your talking about deleting posts and such.
Being glad because your modding your own forum and 3 others that are bigger than ichigos doesnt make you a better mod. Its not the value, but the quality of how you mod.
People do 'teach' people how to become mods. Do you really think that all it takes to be a moderator is a little bit of popularity and some humour? No, of course you didn't. And I'm sorry, when did I say I was a better moderator because I moderated at larger forums? I said I was glad he removed me from the team because I moved on to moderating different forums, that's all.

You should really consider taking stabs at people who are around, it was only by chance that I saw this topic - I haven't logged on in ages.

Also, when people usually say that it's all in the past, it means it's something that should probably just be left alone is it only causes arguements.

It's pretty obvious I'm the pillar for this, and all forums. When I stop posting, the forums becomes stagnant, it's been proven in the past. :sherlock:

Man this :sherlock: is one awesome smiley...

I'm not taking random stabs at people, even if you think I was. Sorry if it seemed that way.

It's pretty obvious I'm the pillar for this, and all forums. When I stop posting, the forums becomes stagnant, it's been proven in the past. :sherlock:

Man this :sherlock: is one awesome smiley...

...... ._.; .......

I have never seen you post before. How can you make a comment like that if you havne't been around all that much? Wow, I'd hate to be self-centered *rolls eyes* Of course, if that was meant to be a joke......lol.

There has been an issue here on ichigos, and though I have just returned, it has quickly become annoying just like it used to. This issue was partly why I left before, and I think it needs to be considered. I don't feel people are really answering questions. I'll point out an example that comes to mind right away, and that's the Depression thread. I make several points about depression, all valid in their own way, in response to Noir7.

Rather then people answering these questions, though, they simply post that the feel the same as Noir does. This is very frustrating to me, as they aren't defending their reason at all, or participating actively in a health conversation, they are pratically ignoring the posts I write, for the sake of posting their own opinion. What I like to hear is what their opinion is after they take what I say into consideration. I want to see if it has changed, and if it hasn't, why it hasn't. I don't know why people don't answer it, but if people have the same opinion as someone else that I am trying to debate over, why can't they explain why they still think that way, regardless of what I say?

If you guys don't understand what it is that I'm getting at, let me see if I can break it down into a smaller example for you. The topic is why books are better than TV.

Person A: Yeah, I think books are better than TV, because you learn to read faster and expand your imagination.

Person B: But during that time you read, it could have been spent watching TV, and though you don't always expand your imagination, you can learn so much from watching channels like the News, Bill Nye the Science Guy, religious channels, or even Discovery Channel. What good is reading faster and having a good imagination if you can't apply it through a good education.

Now, at this point, rather then anyone else taking the points into consideration from Person B, they do the follow:

Person C: Yes, I agree completely with Person A

Person D: Same here.

Person A: Yep, I'm definately going to stick to what I think.

This is so annoying, because none of these people apparently took the time to evaluate Person B's comment, and rather then reply to it, simply stated their opinion. In fact, Person A came back against to just say the same thing. There is no discussion going on here, just the agreeing of two different ideas. What good does that make a topic, if it's meant to be discussed?

I'm sure some of you are probaly saying "Well, geez, Nightmare, stfu. We can post whatever the hell we like." Yes, that's true.....but you defeat the original purpose of the thread-and that's discussing it, not to mention you just irritate others for avoiding questions. I'm not pulling some woe-is-me act, I'm just tired of it. I was tired of dealing with it before, and I'm tired of dealing with it now. And it's not just that one Depression topic, either. I've seen it in several topics I have commented in.

And I'm not the only one it has happened to, either. The first person that comes to mind is Alone, with her topic on popularity. Most people had trouble reading, or simply didn't care what Alone made the topic for. I've seen it all throughout the Composers forum, with simple comments like "I like it" or "it's good." They are nice, but unproductive. I've seen it in the video game section as well, to simple little questions.

Yeah, I hate it, and I'm sure you guys will probaly say something about how I'm too arguementative or don't make good points anyways, worth responding. And you know what? I hate it, because it means you simply do not give a shit about my points, or having anything of good contribution to say in rebuttal to my points. Perhaps you don't even have an opinion, or if you do, it's only agreeing with someone elses.

I know this won't change with some people, but seriously, I'm asking you guys, even if you will continue to ignore me, would you please listen to what other people write, and actually answer them? And if you do have an opinion, and someone else brings up some points that may or may not change it, would you actually *look* at them, consider them, and then make a reply to why those points do not change your opinion, or why they are invalid points?

I'm sure I've upset some of you over my little rant here, so go ahead and tell me what a drama-queen I am, and how selish I am. But I am getting pretty damn tired of trying to have a serious discussion here, when most of my points are ignored, as well as other people's points. And I *know* that all my points aren't invalid, even if some are.

Alone's a dude last I checked... ._. lol

Nightmare, you have some very good points, I agree wit pretty much everything you say. I suppose the intelligence levels are going down around here... There's a lot irrelevant talk going on in the more serious threads and I think people aren't really delving deep enough into the topics. Instead, they're just skimming thrugh and picking up on some points, most likely from someone they know or something and say "Yeah, Person A...good stuff...I agree. WAH! KWAI SET! zomg I love blah blah blah" and frankly, that does irritate me.

After all, there are topics and threads for that type of thing. Yeah sure, you can post what you like, but there are morals and ethics to be considered. In such serious topics such as Depression, should one really be going crazy over something off-topic and superficial? I didn't think so. If you don't have somehting constructive to say, don't say it at all.

It's become quite a serious problem, people spewing all kinds of trash. If you want to display your low intelligence level, why not just put in your sig saying "ZOMG I'm an uneducated fool who can't communicate seriously with proper english" Whoo. There's a limit to the amout of fangirling and fanboying a person can do and take. Sure, getting excited int eh appropriate thread is ok, but spreading it around everywhere? Realize that there ARE members who aren't into that type of thing and want a plave where they can post seriously and be taken seriously. Like Nightmare said, take into account and actually READ what people are saying and form your own opinions rather than just agreeing half-assedly with someone else.

Answering Nightmare, some people probably find it difficult to challenge your arguments or somewhat " defend their opinions". They probably feel that it would be much more convient to ignore other posts and just post their stand in the topic not explaining it.

I think the severity of this situation really depends on the topic. Like your example on books vs television, pretty much it is more or less about entertainment, you can't possibly expect everyone to really deeply into it or substaniate their views. Whereas in topics like Depression, I agree with you that people should try to at least write something sensible.

I think we have to also consider that there are people from different age groups in Ichigos. The younger members might not have the lingustic ability or versatility to tackle with some topics. Hopefully, Nightmare can forgive them and perhaps ignore posts from members who have fall into your list of stupidity. To add, I appreciate that Angelic tick off some people with really bad short forms and horrendous gammar, it makes reading so much easier.

hmm....i wrote something like that some time ago, but decided against posting it, since i didn't really see the point of doing so. But since it has been brought up,shall just paste some paragraphs of what i typed then.

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sometimes i get the feeling that, people post to either agree with anyone else who agrees with them,or list out their viewpoint while conveniently ignoring what everyone else has posted. If then,it so happens that someone expresses dissent with their viewpoints, they clarify and re-clarify their stands until both parties discover miraculously that it was a misunderstanding and they actually agreed with each other all the while,or they will, in the manner of gracious and magnanimous intellectuals, proclaim proudly that we can never agree and therefore we shall "respect the viewpoints of others".

It feels kind of superficial.I don't see the point of going into a discussion knowing that i will leave it "respecting everyone else's viewpoints" and keeping mine wholly intact.

Afterall, if you disagree with something, then surely there must be some reasonable flaw within that you can perceive and point out. But so often, people are just reiterating their stands without attempting to deconstruct the arguments of others, or they do it in such a superficial manner that inherently means: "oh come on. You are just plain wrong." Otherwise, people are just so afraid that they aren't sufficiently "respecting people's viewpoints", so they hurriedly perform the closing ceremony to the discussion, the magnanimous declaration bit.And it's actually very easy to convince people--- you just got to use his/her arguments back against him/her, in such a rational manner that any rational, intellectual being can find no fault with. That's the true art of discussion and deserves the highest level of admiration, i suppose.

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I've been gone or at least here in a limited capacity for some time now so I can't comment on everything that's been going on. Luckily, I seem to have missed the most recent bout of drama that plagues Ichigos ever so much. This topic of conversation, however, is familiar territory so I hope you can all forgive me for weighing in with my opinion.


Answering Nightmare, some people probably find it difficult to challenge your arguments or somewhat " defend their opinions". They probably feel that it would be much more convient to ignore other posts and just post their stand in the topic not explaining it.

I can understand why you'd be sympathetic to this situation, but it's the wrong way to think of it. I don't tend to care that much about whether or not my posts are responded to unless I ask someone a question or I encourage some sort of specific response but when people just ignore the rest of the thread it's essentially useless. This is a forum, it's meant for discussion.

If your only goal here is a one way communication to get your opinion out and benefit in no other way, you should really just go get a blog. As it is a forum, one line posts that offer no supported opinions are not conducive to conversation and should therefore be avoided. Who cares if you think that TV is better or if you like someone's piece if you can't articulate even a basic reasoning of why?

Also, some basic English skills are required here. You don't need to be the next Milton in order to post here but it's just courteous to try and communicate effectively. It's not that hard to spell out "you" or paste your post into word and use the spellchecker. I'm only touching on this because it's very common amongst the sort of "one line posters".

Posts made without some reading of the thread are counterproductive. When you post saying something someone has already said you're just setting the conversation back and likely will end up derailing any real thought that was being put into it. I'm not saying read all of a 70 page thread but I don't think it's all that arduous a task to read 1-2 pages back to get a general feeling of where the flow of conversation is and what points have recently been brought up.

The people who some of us have called on this sort of behaviour tend to respond with something along the lines of "this is teh internets, i can do what I want" or the ever popular argument of us not having any right to limit their enjoyment of the forum by giving them a basic set of standards to observe. Well, that's bullshit.

Yes, this is the internet and it's a great hothouse of free speech. There's so much of this free speech that you could even likely find a place that doesn't have in their site rules some guidelines about the English you are requested to use. You can find chat rooms where no one really wants much more than "yeah, I agree" to be said and if that's all you're looking for then why are you in this sort of medium. As for people claiming we're stepping on the toes of your enjoyment and we have no right to do this, well, it's a two way street. Perhaps you should think about the fact that a reasonable portion of people dislike the useless, badly written posts. If you expect your wants and needs to be observed, you could do worse than to observe other's as well.

Wow, that was long and if history proves any sort of a guide only two or three people will bother reading it and the rest will just flame the one paragraph they skimmed over. Good times.

And I'm not the only one it has happened to, either. The first person that comes to mind is Alone, with his topic on popularity. Most people had trouble reading, or simply didn't care what Alone made the topic for.

:mad: please don't make that mistake again

it seems to me that most people can't be bothered to read the first post, prefering to read the title of the topic, the last post, and use quick reply to agree, thus creating the impression that they are contributing to the discussion at hand. Of course, some of your posts are apt to be ignored, but how can people ignore arguments against their opinions? You don't just ignore it and pretend you didn't hear - you should defend it

Sorry, Alone, I did not know if you were a male or female (though I probaly should by now, hehe), so I just took a wild stab at you being a he. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again!

I'm so glad that other people here agree with me. I was half expecting to be flamed for daring to want people to actally (god forbid) discuss a thread. Thanks, guys. I'm glad I'm not alone (not the person, the term, lol.) Seeing how we all view it the same, for at least a significant number of us, the next step and obstacle is getting people to actually discuss them.

I thought about having a rule posted up, but I don't think that the staff here would allow that, as it would restrict speech. So perhaps we could have a new forum (or subforum) for "serious discussion", for topics like depression, suicide, drugs, religion, and so forth. Though I know the staff likes to keep the forum short, so another alternative perhaps is to have each thread that incites serious discussion marked in the subtitle "serious discussion", and request that members back up or defend their beliefs as they post.

I don't think any of my ideas will be put into effect, but perhaps they will be considered. Does anyone else have an idea to add, to perhaps help resolve this problem?

Serious/Debate topics go in General Discussion, while all other everyday threads go into Everyday Chatter.

Ethnic Intellectual/IQ cleansing/purge.

I wonder... what if someone wanted a serious discussion about music - it would be put in the music section, right? maybe thats wrong. maybe all serious discussions should go in the general discussion, regardless of topic. That way, new members see a variety of serious topic, all on different subjects. I mean, the idea of a serious topic in "Games" seems a bit ridiculus; it would be wiser to move it imo

A discussion about music would indeed go into music section.

....no question there.

Read the forum descriptions ~ they /are/ there for a reason. \o/

Alone, that's pretty obvious that it would go into the Music Forum, as Zero mentioned. Don't make it harder than it is.

hmm, nightmare, i think a slight hitch with your suggestion is that you can't exactly stop people who don't back up/defend their beliefs from posting in the "serious" discussion thread. It's already quite obvious now that some threads are meant to be of a serious nature, but that doesn't quite make a difference does it ?

I wonder... what if someone wanted a serious discussion about music - it would be put in the music section, right? maybe thats wrong. maybe all serious discussions should go in the general discussion, regardless of topic. That way, new members see a variety of serious topic, all on different subjects. I mean, the idea of a serious topic in "Games" seems a bit ridiculus; it would be wiser to move it imo
Well, since the focus of this site seems to be on music/games/anime, I suspect there would be a bigger ammount of threads with these topics (thus the different sections).
Similarily, if this site were completely about, say, Religion, then there would be a seperate "Religion" section, and all posts about music etc. would go into the General Board.

@quiet: While we can't stop everyone from posting simple, shallow agreements, we can request that they respond with a more substantial arguement.

Sorry, but *this* is definitely for Angelic:

I don't see why you have such a problem with me, and why you have to whine about it in every single thread I've posted in. From here, it just looks like you click topics I've posted in, pick my post to bits and point out everything bad about it, e.g, in the Chobits thread, and in General Chat you occasionally start to moan about my lack of grammar, and usually you'll say I don't use proper grammar, because I'm an idiot.

So, my question is, why DO you whine about more or less everything I do? Even in the RP, which is FOR creative writing, etc, you accuse me of dramatising it too much, or just complaining in general.

Okay, enough of *MY* venting about Angelic... *knows several people will immediately bash her for "Angelic hating". Oh well..

You know what I dislike... people who post an entry that is like super long! I was reading this thread, (which by the way... we should change this thread to "Let's have lots pages conisisting of abyss entries about Angelic", but I understand that all these are necessary because that's how people resolve problems) I noticed Nightmare writes alot. And I mean A LOT! I'm sure there is shorter way to present their opinions. Everything he said was repetitive... but I can guess that I'm doing the same thing since I know other people already said something about how Nightmare is being defensive. But don't you hate a LONG entry? It just makes me wanna scroll down or just read a first few sentences. But maybe that's just me.

I don't have a problem with long entries. If you don't like to read long posts, don't read them. There is nothing wrong with writing a long post. You see, my long posts are usually written with a few good examples to support me, as well as a clearly explained explanation.

My posts contain a very minimal amount of spelling errors, grammatical mistakes, and punctuation errors, because unlike some people, I try to make things neat. I don't just toss you guys a big long blob of text with no spacing or anything. I actually take the time to seperate my points and ideas into paragraphs, so it is easier to read and understand.

So I don't see how long posts are bad, *just* because you don't like reading them. It's like me complaining about how having avatars or signatures are bad, just because I don't like them. Who cares if I hate them or don't like to see/look at them. That doesn't make them bad. Now, if I typed out huge posts with no spacing whatsoever, and was just a huge mess, I could understand your complaints. But I don't. So...this is something that I will not change, because it is who I am. I feel the need to write that much, and form my posts in that manner.

You're right. I guess I was just being selfish. But I guess that's how a quarrel starts. Because we are selfish no?

Perhaps.. but taking away Nightmare's long posts would be like taking away the sole from a shoe. It just wouldn't seem right :/

Sorry, but *this* is definitely for Angelic:

I don't see why you have such a problem with me, and why you have to whine about it in every single thread I've posted in. From here, it just looks like you click topics I've posted in, pick my post to bits and point out everything bad about it, e.g, in the Chobits thread, and in General Chat you occasionally start to moan about my lack of grammar, and usually you'll say I don't use proper grammar, because I'm an idiot.

So, my question is, why DO you whine about more or less everything I do? Even in the RP, which is FOR creative writing, etc, you accuse me of dramatising it too much, or just complaining in general.

Okay, enough of *MY* venting about Angelic... *knows several people will immediately bash her for "Angelic hating". Oh well..

I don't click threads to see if you posted, you just post everywhere where I look. And yes, I do have something against you, and you know why? Because you always defy the rules as much as you can. You throw your Japanese crap all over the place, your signature is way too big and also full of that Japanese shit, you do know grammar but you hardly use it outside the RP, and THAT is the reason I think you're an idiot. It's not the lack of grammar, it's not using it on purpose that bothers me so much.

About the RP: A lot of people "complained" about that. It wasn't even really complaining. If I made a serious complaint about it then I apologise for that and I'll start thinking of why the heck I complained because the love triangle saga was hilarious.

The problem is that for a long long time you've been breaking rules on purpose even after I asked you to stop. That's why I dislike your presence so much.

You know what I dislike... people who post an entry that is like super long! I was reading this thread, (which by the way... we should change this thread to "Let's have lots pages conisisting of abyss entries about Angelic", but I understand that all these are necessary because that's how people resolve problems) I noticed Nightmare writes alot. And I mean A LOT! I'm sure there is shorter way to present their opinions. Everything he said was repetitive... but I can guess that I'm doing the same thing since I know other people already said something about how Nightmare is being defensive. But don't you hate a LONG entry? It just makes me wanna scroll down or just read a first few sentences. But maybe that's just me.
Am I correct in understanding that you are complaining that someone's posts are too /long/? This is not IRC; long posts that are actually informative or supply a valid opinion contribute the most to the forum. If anything, they should be encouraged.

Much agreed, and I would like to relate this to the point I made earlier here that people are not really giving their opinion, just agreeing. If people would take the time to write out and define their opinion, things would be such much more interesting around here. I don't really give a damn about what anyone thinks or agrees here, if they can't even back it up or support it. To me, it's meaningless. If someone agrees with what I say, I don't care.

But if someone agrees or disagrees with what I say for different reasons, and is able to back it up, then I am interested and more then happy to read their posts. In other words, I love reading long interesting posts, rather then short stupid "I agree" ones.

Hahaha I see what you're saying. It is like taking away his personality.

Anyways... this thread made me realize how people don't explore around the forum. I mean... I just found out about all these threads to talk about... well, anything. Oops! Kinda off topic.

Alright... I find it annoying how people suck up to other people. Like in the "Compositions" and "Arts and Graphics". I'm sorry Noir7 but I gotta use you in this example. I went over some of the Noir7's Star Wars pictures and everyone somehow seemed to like it. I've seen this happening alot not only to Noir7 but other people. Are they just saying that to be nice to the person? You think they are afraid or something, that the person will dislike him if he/she says bad things about him? Or do they really think the person's work is flawless? For a long time I didn't really do anything about it but ignore. Well correct me if I'm wrong.

@ posts about the long posts and stuff: It's all up to the individual on what they're like. Come on we don't want to be clones of each other with no sense of individualty now, do we?....do we?!

Originally Posted by Inu-Chan
@ posts about the long posts and stuff: It's all up to the individual on what they're like. Come on we don't want to be clones of each other with no sense of individualty now, do we?....do we?!


Originally Posted by yellowmonkey121
Hahaha I see what you're saying. It is like taking away his personality.


Yup. We already established that. I was wrong to judge people by their long entries.

@ posts about the long posts and stuff: It's all up to the individual on what they're like. Come on we don't want to be clones of each other with no sense of individualty now, do we?....do we?!
I think the point we are trying to make here is that posts like "Yep, ur rite" contributes nothing to the discussion at hand or forum in general.

I don't click threads to see if you posted, you just post everywhere where I look. And yes, I do have something against you, and you know why? Because you always defy the rules as much as you can. You throw your Japanese crap all over the place, your signature is way too big and also full of that Japanese shit, you do know grammar but you hardly use it outside the RP, and THAT is the reason I think you're an idiot. It's not the lack of grammar, it's not using it on purpose that bothers me so much.

About the RP: A lot of people "complained" about that. It wasn't even really complaining. If I made a serious complaint about it then I apologise for that and I'll start thinking of why the heck I complained because the love triangle saga was hilarious.

The problem is that for a long long time you've been breaking rules on purpose even after I asked you to stop. That's why I dislike your presence so much.

Not taking sides... Just out of curiousity, are you going to be like that with every member who does that kind of thing(the 'Japanese shit', lack of gramar etc.)? Because it's totally personal BULL. SHIT. That should stay to PMs... if you ask me

Hahaha I see what you're saying. It is like taking away his personality.

Anyways... this thread made me realize how people don't explore around the forum. I mean... I just found out about all these threads to talk about... well, anything. Oops! Kinda off topic.

Alright... I find it annoying how people suck up to other people. Like in the "Compositions" and "Arts and Graphics". I'm sorry Noir7 but I gotta use you in this example. I went over some of the Noir7's Star Wars pictures and everyone somehow seemed to like it. I've seen this happening alot not only to Noir7 but other people. Are they just saying that to be nice to the person? You think they are afraid or something, that the person will dislike him if he/she says bad things about him? Or do they really think the person's work is flawless? For a long time I didn't really do anything about it but ignore. Well correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree somewhat to this, though admit to doing it myself. I post a new composition, and only 2 people reply to it. Noir posts a new compositions, and he quickly gets several replies on it. Or in other words, I posted mine before Noir7 posted his, and it's only gotten 5 views up to this point, nearly 3 weeks ago. Noir posts his and in less than 2 weeks, he has over 5 times the downloads I do for a total of 28 views! It's annoying, I know, but...unfortunately, I don't think there is anything that can be done about it. You can't force a person to care, you know.

Not taking sides... Just out of curiousity, are you going to be like that with every member who does that kind of thing(the 'Japanese shit', lack of gramar etc.)? Because it's totally personal BULL. SHIT. That should stay to PMs... if you ask me

PMs are obviously not working.

@Eagle: dude, it's not just Angelic. Hell, I get annoyed at it too, just never get a chance to vent it out *shrugs*

I feel sorry for your bf Inu - you probably take it out all on him (__) jk

Perhaps those of you who feel it's wrong for people to get annoyed about the excessive use of Japanese should remember something, especially in the case of being pissed off that Angelic is annoyed. It is a rule in this forum that you don't use another language without providing a translation and it's discouraged to be using another language at all in most contexts. This isn't just some personal preference, it's the law at a forum you signed up for and agreed to obey these rules. Really, Angelic has every right to ban many of you, you should be damn glad he shows restraint and understanding to a certain extent.

I don't click threads to see if you posted, you just post everywhere where I look. And yes, I do have something against you, and you know why? Because you always defy the rules as much as you can. You throw your Japanese crap all over the place, your signature is way too big and also full of that Japanese shit, you do know grammar but you hardly use it outside the RP, and THAT is the reason I think you're an idiot. It's not the lack of grammar, it's not using it on purpose that bothers me so much.

About the RP: A lot of people "complained" about that. It wasn't even really complaining. If I made a serious complaint about it then I apologise for that and I'll start thinking of why the heck I complained because the love triangle saga was hilarious.

The problem is that for a long long time you've been breaking rules on purpose even after I asked you to stop. That's why I dislike your presence so much.

My question to you Angelic, is are you the type of person to forgive and forget if that person you dislike fixes his/her problems that led you to dislike him/her in the first place?

Also, all the japanese I posted (from japanese characters/chinese characters to Romanji) has been translated in brackets all the time. I'm just wondering if your annoyed at that as well since you have to check the translation everytime I post something in japanese.

I think it's stupid to post Japanese stuff and then translate it if it has no real purpose, but if it serves a purpose I don't mind at all. However, as stupid as it might be, it will be allowed because when provided with a translation it doesn't clash with the forum rules.

Doesn't take away that's it's plain stupid to post the same message in two different languages when just English serves your needs.

You haven't answered my first question, though. =/

My question to you Angelic, is are you the type of person to forgive and forget if that person you dislike fixes his/her problems that led you to dislike him/her in the first place?

If they fix their problems, yes.

You have had no problem pinpointing all of Chi-Chi's problems, but what has Al done to you? From what I know, he said two negative things about you on someone elses journal off this site. You have surely insulted him far more than he has you, and whatever insults you believe he has given you, he hasn't done anymore.

Originally Posted by Angelic
I think it's stupid to post Japanese stuff and then translate it if it has no real purpose, but if it serves a purpose I don't mind at all.

What about in the "Compositions" people occasionally title their songs in Japanese (and other languages that I can't define) and don't translate them. I mean they are titles so they must have some meaning to them.


Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
I think the point we are trying to make here is that posts like "Yep, ur rite" contributes nothing to the discussion at hand or forum in general.
Were you talking about me? :huh:

You have had no problem pinpointing all of Chi-Chi's problems, but what has Al done to you? From what I know, he said two negative things about you on someone elses journal off this site. You have surely insulted him far more than he has you, and whatever insults you believe he has given you, he hasn't done anymore.

Let's not bring this issue up again. What's done is done. I don't mind if he insults me here.

@yellowmonkey: Titles of compositions in different languages is not the same as having a conversation in english.

umm, I've kinda noticed somthing that bothers me in the sheet music requests forum. I've requested quite a few songs in there, and no one has even replied to say that they couldn't do it. And with that, the requests kinda just drift down to the bottom of the list, never to be seen again by even an able transcriber.

I've asked my friend, a transcriber (gedtag), why he thought I wasn't getting any responses. He thought it might have been because in my requests, I use the term "as close to the original as possible". He said that maybe people just didn't feel like doing the extra work. My response to all of this was that I felt that it was not asking too much, and it was optional. Gedtag responded by saying that personally he didn't feel it was optional, because he always tries to satisfy those he is transcribing for to the best of his abilities.

I put some thought into it, and decided that I would try to avoid using that line to see if it gave me any better luck. The results: nothing.

Now, before anyone decides to get mad and say I'm being selfish or whatever, I'd like to point out that this has been going on for quite a bit, and that I aknowledge that it isn't only happening to me.

But, it still perturbs me because I just get no response at all. I don't even know why my request was refused, I'm just left there hanging until the end of time. I think that people should at least say why they wouldn't be doing it or something, instead of letting you assume the reason. I mean, what happens if they just miss the request in the sea of others? How am I supposed to know?

I've also noticed something else which bothers me. The only transcriber that has ever fulfilled one of my request which required transcribing was gedtag. What about everyone else? Do they just not like my preference in music, and choose not to do it, or is it me? I can't be asking gedtag for requests all the time, because he does have a life. So, with that in mind, it would seem perfectly logical for requests to be "balanced out", to avoid a "transcriber preference". It kinda makes me feel like no one else really wants to do any of my requests. And I don't know why, because I always follow the rules to the best of my ability/knowledge. And if it's not a rules thing, then it must be a "me" thing.

With that in mind, I'd like to say one more thing, before everyone hates me and/or puts me on their "Won't Transcribe for List" under "Greedy". I would like to just say for the records that I think that most of the transcribers here at Ichigo's do an excellent job. Most of the time, their transcriptions are 90-100% accurate, which is phenomenal in my book (being an ameteur transcriber myself, and averaging about a 30-40% accuracy...). The only thing that I don't like is what I mentioned above. I think that maybe if you aren't going to do a piece, you should at least say why, so "we" (those of us who request properly) aren't guessing why. That's my major issue, because I'm the type of person that prefers things "straight-up". If you can't do it, it's cool with me, but don't leave me hanging.

That's it, you can feel free to grab your torches and pickaxes now. I've said my peace, and it's my turn to allow you to say yours.

Originally Posted by Al
@yellowmonkey: Titles of compositions in different languages is not the same as having a conversation in english.


So you wouldn't care if I had a title that no one other than Korean people would understand?

So you wouldn't care if I had a title that no one other than Korean people would understand?

Perhaps they want the lack of knowledge to add to the character of their peice. I don't know. But it's their art; if they want to call it what they want and don't want to translate it, they shoulldn't have to.

As for aoriyuukshi, transcriptions do take a bit of time and a bit of resource, but I certainly see why you're frustrated; your position is lamentable.

@ Pyramus. If we don't have to translate to English, then why not just write it in Japanese Kanji or something. If we can't understand the words then they just become some meaningless symbols.

As long as they hold some meaning to someone I'm not opposed to it. I'd suggest requesting the meaning from the composer if you're curious. It's ultimately the composer's descision if they want you to see meaningless symbols or not.

I feel sorry for your bf Inu - you probably take it out all on him (__) jk

:blink: I don't have a bf though, but there's always a hubby.... :shifty:

The title of a piece generally says somehting about the piece, character wise and such so I don't think it'd matter too much if it was in another language, 'side, you can always provide a translation if need be :)

@ Pyramus. If we don't have to translate to English, then why not just write it in Japanese Kanji or something. If we can't understand the words then they just become some meaningless symbols.

It is fine to name something Japanese, because you are using it as a name. Just like ichigos is Japanese, but since it is a title, it's okay. If you switch to kanji, people who can't read it have nothing to refer it by, and so it's bad. I think Gand gave some pretty clear examples in the rules. It's okay to say "I bought my katana today", because katana is a borrowed word; a name of something.

It's against the rules when you hajime to replace palabras con words from chigau languages in a typical Ingles sentence. It's annoying to read, and exspecially if you don't know all the meanings. People don't know what you are talking about when you say "This pen is kakoii." But when you say "what do you think of Kokoro", people don't have to know the meaning, because it's the title of a song, and they know you are referring to that song.

@aoi, I confess to an even worse crime - saying I'll transcribe something and never get around to doing it, or start but not finish :sigh: I don't have a single completed transcription :( Better to be ignored than have th likes of me get your hopes up for nothing...

I think I'd still prefer the latter over being ignored...

At least I know that it wasn't missed or something...

aoir: I have a feel for how frustrating it is not having your request done. One reason why I think that gedtag is the only one transcribing your pieces and most everyone elses (don't get me wrong I know there are others *coughjoshbrianrecough*) is that the other transcribers are a) not here or b) don't take requests (me fore example).

Having people reply in a thread that they're not going to transcribe is imo pointless. I'm using myself as an example. I've said more than once that I'm not taking requests at the moment (until I finish Gunpowder Tea at least). I think its pointless to repeat myself constantly that I'm not taking requests at the moment.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You have good taste in music, but to be honest some of the songs you request aren't easy songs for me (and some others) to transcribe. It might be the complexity of the song, the intrumentation, whatever. And yeah, some people don't care for those types of songs. Its nothing to kick yourself over.

I wouldn't take it to heart if your song doesn't get transcribed. I requested a song in the piano solo thread that's been asked by others after me too and it hasn't been done yet. I feel dissapointed, but I say, "hey, I can be patient. If I wanted it that bad, I can do it myself." But that's just me talking to myself to shut me up. =P

Did you get anyof that? lol

Anyway, I hope this helped a bit. I don't think I forgot anything.

Yeah,
I guess it does help a bit. I guess the transcribers are all just busy. But there is one thing though. Not all transcribers give announcements as to when they aren't going to be very active, and some that do have those notes in places that can be easily overlooked. But, again, this is just something I noticed, and it really isn't that big of a deal(I don't think) for me to raise a big argument for nothing. I don't want people to think I'm playing on the "poor me, my life is such a tragedy" thing that some people do.

Hmm...
I was just thinking(as I typed this), what if we had like an "active transcribers" thread, where there'd be like a listing of transcribers that are taking requests and stuff, and we could know how many transcribers are available as a means of figuring out if we should request something. Like for example, (hypothetical) if I had a piece that was very difficult, and all of the transcribers currently active were all beginners who do like piano pieces, and I want a conductor's score, then I would kinda know "hey, chances are pretty high no one's gonna do this, no use taking up space, so I guess I'll wait and see if a more experienced transcriber will do it later." I think that'd probably save a little bit of space in the request forums, and it would avoid having requests just "drift" to the bottom, where they can't be seen even when an experienced transcriber is available. This is just a thought though...

Were you talking about me? :huh:
You said Nightmare's posts are too long. I pointed out that long posts are good and three word posts are usually pointless. Is there something to not understand there?

True, but because transcribers can become active or not withing seconds, I think it'd be very spammy to have a thread like that.

If you did want a specific piece for say an orchestra, I'd pm someone who knows the local transcribers and just have them recommend someone.

@Sinbios Zefiris Ark: Well... there is not misunderstanding but the sarcasm was unnecessary. Haha! jk. I don't really care. And like I said... we already established that long post is no different from short post as long there is a point to it. Yes... that's how this thing called "language" works. Both long and short posts can have equal point.

You know what's annoying? People who think someone is picking on them only because that person pinpoints every little comment they make. And people who always say "Grow up you..." and whatever profanity they feel like throwing after that sentence. What are you trying to prove? that you've grown up because you can use a derogatory language? So grow up you shit heads! Hahahaha! I feel all grown up... I guess this means I get to watch TV pass my bed time! Wheee! There's a sarcasm for ya...

I'm not trying prove that I have grown up, I'm trying to prove that you're stupid. And you're just further exposing your own pointlessness and immaturity.

Guys, no need for insults, ok?

@Sinbios Zefiris Ark: Well... there is not misunderstanding but the sarcasm was unnecessary. Haha! jk. I don't really care. And like I said... we already established that long post is no different from short post as long there is a point to it. Yes... that's how this thing called "language" works. Both long and short posts can have equal point.

You know what's annoying? People who think someone is picking on them only because that person pinpoints every little comment they make. And people who always say "Grow up you..." and whatever profanity they feel like throwing after that sentence. What are you trying to prove? that you've grown up because you can use a derogatory language? So grow up you shit heads! Hahahaha! I feel all grown up... I guess this means I get to watch TV pass my bed time! Wheee! There's a sarcasm for ya...

There's so much wrong with that post I'm not even gonna bother starting.

Too much Vodka and Red Bull in his system. Seriously, look at all the highs and lows in that post. It's amazing.

Edit: I don't know why I put half the words in this post in capitals.

Because proper English demands that the first letter of most nouns be capitalized. It's a good thing, trust me.

There they go again. Is it the tone in my writing? Why do they think I'm always talking about them. Maybe it's because they know they do that stuff and they feel offened. Does that make sense? If they don't do it then they wouldn't care right? That's how it is for me. I've played their little game of 'let's pick on that person for bashing me'. I mean... I understand that people argue if they don't agree. But every post I make they do this. I already concluded that I was wrong. I made my point, people replied what they thought about my point, I saw my mistake and I agreed with them. Was there a point to bring my mistake again?

Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
I'm not trying prove that I have grown up, I'm trying to prove that you're stupid. And you're just further exposing your own pointlessness and immaturity.
I never said it was you. You are just assuming that I'm talking about you. I don't remember you saying "grow up". That's what I love about people. Everyone's mind works differently.
See.... I'm writing tons over here because I realized there's nothing wrong with writing a long post. I acknowledge my mistakes and so should everyone else. I didn't always think like this. Yeah... some say I sound like an adult, which I hate to be at my age. I guess people find this annoying and just want to bash on me. *shrug.

I have a question. What do all of you think of me? Seriously, tell the truth. I just want to know if Im still a n00b in your eyes, annoying what ever..

I see you as someone who changes his/her ava and sig... so I'm guessing you search for pictures alot.

Edit: Does it matter what people think of you? Since no one is talking about you... I guess no one really thinks of you as a threat or anything.;)

Because proper English demands that the first letter of most nouns be capitalized. It's a good thing, trust me.

I Edited That Message. The Original Message Looked Kind Of Like This One.
But Thanks For Telling Me I Have Some Grasp Of English Grammer. :)

I have a question. What do all of you think of me? Seriously, tell the truth. I just want to know if Im still a n00b in your eyes, annoying what ever..

Don't you dare use this thread for questions concerning yourself. This thread was created to solve Forum Problems, and you went on ahead and tried to have it suit your pathetic little whims... You want to know this forum's opinion? The fact that you haven't been mentioned in any way means that you aren't annoying enough to be a major problem (yet), nor important, and that should be good enough for you.

How pathetic... <_<

You don't contribute half of what Radical Dreamer does, so shut up. Who are you to judge who is important and who's not?

You said multiple times that he is pathetic for asking a normal question (especially when you're still pretty new to a forum) and quite frankly I don't see what you are trying to prove with that post of yours.

It seems like things like these are also a problem in the forums. Some people post things, another person takes into account of what the previous person said and argues with the person about it for their own opinions (Things like, no your wrong stupid, or no this is supposed to be this). Flames start from those things, and lots of people dont really re-read what they type or re-read the whole thread before they type it. Its a very common mistake (I do it too. Thats where the edit button is for.)

Radical Dreamer: You can ask your questions in the general discussion topic :). This topic concerns about problems in the forum and its community as a group. Its not built to solve personal problems, sorry!

Hmm...lots of fights going on even in the thread to stop fighting, Ichigos has changed much I see

or maybe hasn't changed <_<

*lets people finish stupid fights*

Radical Dreamer, you wanna know? Read what I wrote in reply to your fake leaving thread. Honestly, it really sounds plain selfish and self-centred to ask somehting lke that. There's nothig really wrong with it, but you may not get anwers you want.

And Alone has contributed plenty, he started the test topics and he's not exactly one of the extrmely hyper memebers...trying to say this nicely ere people...though, Im quite hyper myself...:think:

Perhaps the first step we need to take towards making this forum a better place is to just follow rules, be yourself and don't judge others too harshly? If you want to cause trouble, take it somewhere else, we don't need people like that around. We want sunshine and buttercups I tells ya!

Even if there is a little section for 'Doom and gloom'... (which is probably General Discussion, or here) A forum can work well... Controversy... eh, that's common. Nothing new there...

It's all about trying to put your point out without saying anything in the real world, there ARE rules, but if you were in a debating chamber, for example, would you slide way off-topic? No. You wouldn't... You would try to stay on topic for the whole debate... Not much difference with a forum, stay on topic if you should, keep the insults away (the only difference between a debating chamber and a forum, no insults...unless ABSOLUTELY VITAL TO THE TOPIC, WHICH NEVER HAPPENS.) And try to be nice to everyone!

We should all try to stay calm, positive and non-flaming... like this guy! :D

You don't contribute half of what Radical Dreamer does, so shut up. Who are you to judge who is important and who's not?

You said multiple times that he is pathetic for asking a normal question (especially when you're still pretty new to a forum) and quite frankly I don't see what you are trying to prove with that post of yours.

oh, i'm sure i would want to contribute a fake leaving thread... I suggest you reread Spiky's first post; he does say "speak about specific members", but what he had in mind was probably critisism. Moreover, its one story if a member mentions you, but when you start mentioning yourself - that has an air of attention seeker, drama queen, and egoist all rolled in one.

I'm sorry for using this thread for such a lowly statement. The spoiler below is for Noir7 - unless you have business reading it - don't. No insults aimed at Noir7, or at any other member, are written below.
Generally I respect the Forum Team, and to say something against a moderator requires a collosal effort, but you are... fuck! I don't know what to say. "New" - besides being from PE and AN, you may recall that my member # was pretty low. But that was the most fucked up statement, who cares if you're new or not, as long as you contribute something useful!!! "Half of what RD does"? your joking, right? I have sent you a pm once, and, may I quote you? "I was in a relatively bad mood" - lol seems to me your mood is already lasting 8 days. You have a serious problem

lol seems to me your mood is already lasting 8 days. You have a serious problem

I was indeed in a bad mood when I jumped you for the first time, but I'm not now. I got pissed because of that post you wrote on the previous page. You were basically judging who is important to Ichigo's and who's not.

I should think that being mentioned in this thread is an accurate judgement of your value, and the value of your input, to Ichigos. Examples, i hope, won't be necessary

Alone, that is so far off the scale. According to this theory, only the people who are mentioned are worth value. And so if we take out everyone who wasn't mentioned in this thread, then how active do you think this forum would be then? That's right. It would be almost completely inactive. Sorry, but it takes people to contribute to a forum, and just because they aren't mentioned within a thread doesn't make them any less important, because without them, you don't have much of a forum in the first place.

It's incredibly lame to judge a person's value by the number of times he or she is mentioned in a thread. This thread isn't even necessarily meant for mentioning people who contribute to issues, but problems that are on ichigos. So if there is a person mentioned in this thread, it probaly isn't a good thing, and whether it is or not doesn't automatically make them worthless or worth everything.

Hahaha, what the fuck is happening here..


*lets people finish stupid fights*Gand is right. Yes arguments and fights can be meaningful and you can really get alot out of them, but key word here, stupid. You all can have as many stupid arguements as you want -- that's what's making this place shitty.

This ain't the Ichigo's we had. Where is our old crowd who loved each other?

Read Inu-chan's post. Now that's an epitome of a post coming from a person who isn't a stupid fuck. She wastes no time arguing about pointless retarded shit, she's got good material and you can't help but smile after reading her post.... well I don't know about you, but I certainly did. ^_^

Don't you dare use this thread for questions concerning yourself. This thread was created to solve Forum Problems, and you went on ahead and tried to have it suit your pathetic little whims... You want to know this forum's opinion? The fact that you haven't been mentioned in any way means that you aren't annoying enough to be a major problem (yet), nor important, and that should be good enough for you.

How pathetic... <_<

I was making a simple question. Seeing how you make such a big deal out of everything, I guess I shouldnt ask alot of questions when your around.

And once agian, my quote for people who make post like you...


Evil Monkey in your Closet?

~


Radical Dreamer, you wanna know? Read what I wrote in reply to your fake leaving thread. Honestly, it really sounds plain selfish and self-centred to ask somehting lke that. There's nothig really wrong with it, but you may not get anwers you want.

I agree with you. I should have thought twice before doing that, and I see my problem. I had no reason to make it. But it was not fake in a way. I really was going to leave for 10 months, but seeing how I can get my work done faster then usual, I see no problem.

@Alone

I respect your opinion. I can see how anyone could agree with you. The only thing I dont like is how you have to make it seem like a flame. I wasnt tring to be self centered in anyway. I was just wondering how people felt about me because I was noticing some post at me that were "griddy". Im sorry if it pissed you off though.

@Noir

Thanks for sticking up for me. I dont really mind that it was a one mood thing, but thanks.

*ends that topid for good*

Originally Posted by Alone
Moreover, its one story if a member mentions you, but when you start mentioning yourself - that has an air of attention seeker, drama queen, and egoist all rolled in one.

Hmm... I'm afraid I have to agree to that statement and only that statement. You can kinda guess what people think of you without even really asking "what do you think of me?" But then again maybe Radical Dreamer really didn't have a clue what people were thinking. It is always good to give a benefit of doubt.

Hahaha, what the fuck is happening here..

This ain't the Ichigo's we had. Where is our old crowd who loved each other?


Funny you should ask this, as your a prime example of where it went. People have either changed or left. And you know what? They aren't coming back. Look at your opening sentence "What the fuck is happening here..." The old you never used to do this. In fact, I'm pretty sure Angelic said you were incapable of hate. Yet earlier in this thread, we see you severly upset with people, to the point where you call me as well as several other people stupid fucks or something to the extent, for opposing your view on Angelic. It's not uncommon now to see you insult a group of people or calling something "fucking stupid".

I myself have changed, and have stopped trying to be nice to everyone, and defend people against others when I feel they are being wronged. I grow tired of people being too stupid to read the rules and posting topics that are momentarily locked. Exspecially aggrivating in the Sheet Music Request section. I'm sick of trying to care about what people say, when they don't say anything productive. They just give me their worthless opinion, and when inquired, they either ignore it, or post another part of their opinion. I seem to pick fights sometimes that I shouldn't be picking.

Alphonse is now hated by Angelic, along with a group of other people. He is bothered by them, and so he insults them, bans them, or whatever he feels is right in his own judgement. Members like Alone now judge people by if they are mentioned in a thread or not as being worthy to a forum. The list goes on and on. The old crowd who loved each other died. And it isn't coming back. There is no point in hoping for something that we aren't going to get. The only thing we can do is move on, and try to make the best of what we have. Yeah, I don't care that this line is probaly in about 100 other books and movies, but it's true.

Funny you should ask this, as your a prime example of where it went. People have either changed or left. And you know what? They aren't coming back.Naaww really.... I never knew that..... burn this in your mind once and for all.. you're just taking things literally and missing the point.... which you've heard me say a few times already.


Look at your opening sentence "What the fuck is happening here..." The old you never used to do this. In fact, I'm pretty sure Angelic said you were incapable of hate. Yet earlier in this thread, we see you severly upset with people, to the point where you call me as well as several other people stupid fucks or something to the extent, for opposing your view on Angelic. It's not uncommon now to see you insult a group of people or calling something "fucking stupid".Hahahhaahaha, severly upset? It might be helpful to know that I was perfectly calm when I made that big post. :rolleyes: If you thought I was severely upset and see me hating you guys with simply that way of speaking.... that's pretty bad. Who do you think you are acting like you know me? I fail to see your point other than the bolded part. Oh wait, that's a continuation of the first part of your post.... which you have already missed my point, so is pointless too.


I myself have changed, and have stopped trying to be nice to everyone, and defend people against others when I feel they are being wronged. I grow tired of people being too stupid to read the rules and posting topics that are momentarily locked. Exspecially aggrivating in the Sheet Music Request section. I'm sick of trying to care about what people say, when they don't say anything productive. They just give me their worthless opinion, and when inquired, they either ignore it, or post another part of their opinion. I seem to pick fights sometimes that I shouldn't be picking.Point ~ less ~ :music: But I know what you're saying.


Alphonse is now hated by Angelic, along with a group of other people. He is bothered by them, and so he insults them, bans them, or whatever he feels is right in his own judgement. Members like Alone now judge people by if they are mentioned in a thread or not as being worthy to a forum. The list goes on and on. The old crowd who loved each other died. And it isn't coming back. There is no point in hoping for something that we aren't going to get. The only thing we can do is move on, and try to make the best of what we have. Yeah, I don't care that this line is probaly in about 100 other books and movies, but it's true.Okay.. in the unlikely event that you genuinely believed I actually meant I wanted the old crew to come back and have what we once had when I said "This ain't the Ichigo's we had. Where is our old crowd who loved each other?".... and the fact that you based your entire post mainly on that line.... then that'd be my mistake. But I seriously doubt it. And if you did believe that.... well, that's remarkable.




You know I should've just quoted your entire post all in one and say..

Nightmare, read my previous post again. Seriously.

Nightmare, you said it yourself dude, people have changed. It's what we do, there's no helping it. You gotta remember though, and think why someone has changed. It could come from external influences, maybe they just got older, perhaps they saw a kitten up a tree suddenly fly down by itself. (Otherwise, Zero has just been chatting to my hubby a leeettle too much...j/k XD)

As to Angelic hating people? (Not that this needs to keep being brought up <_<) There's a reason, perhaps he doesn't want to tell everybody, it's private! Like I've said plenty of times, there's a reason he's admin. How people act is because that's just who they are and no-one can change them (unless they have some horse tranquilizers handy and an electric chair).

The forums have become what they've become and will keep on changing because we all keep changing, there are always new members. Sure, if we could all stay the same, that'd be pretty nifty, but would it really be interesting? Like Nightmare said, we gotta move on and make the best of with what we have.

There's plenty more I could say, but it's not really going to matter, we all have our opinions and ideas and we have to keep that individuality. So I'm just going to finish up, let everything that's happening to ride over and all will be fine. We're just like the fluctuating carbon levels of the earth, yes we are. 'sides, Ichigo's has been through so much, we'll get through this and we'll come out of it better than before.

@Zero: (for his previous post) Why thank you ^^

Okay, Zero :yawn: , if you want to think like that, that's fine with me. Give me a message when you're ready to get back to reality!

Will you just shut the hell up

This fucking thread had served its purpose like 10 pages ago. and then someone says something random, and another flames this guy and we've had 10 pages of useless crap.

Man, if some of you still have shit to throw at each other, go do it in PM or MSN or something.

Really, everything went so nicely and all the crap cleaned up, and then I look here after a few weeks and more of this crap.


Nightmare, just don't start any more pointless arguments ok? (Don't bother to reply as I won't bother to read or reply yours)
You should work up your communication skills a bit more if you can't tell what the person means from what s/he writes.

Right. Should have closed this ages ago <_<

Right, we could just close this thread, but we really shouldn't. This is the only thread we have to point out what's wrong with this forum, and where people can express themselves about it. I agree that the last pages were primarely insults and people pointing out what's wrong with a specific person, so let's stop that.

From now on, this thread is to discuss what's wrong with this forum, not what's wrong with a person. And if we still can't have a conversation without having these serious flames, then we'll close it again.

Urm, lack of cohesion being a primary one? I just don't honestly think that this thread is going to stay on its original purpose - Angelic did the right thing in closing it, in my opinion.

Noir, the only thing that's happening in this thread right now is everyone taking turns getting yelled at by Nightmare. If something is wrong there can always be a new thread, but this one is already messed up x_x

Angelic and Maz are right. We are trying to point out what's wrong with the forum. But you know, it just ain't gonna work with certain people in the way.

They don't seem to understand what's wrong with the forum nor we don't want any pointless fights.

At this rate.. the thread ain't gonna serve its purpose. Yeah, it's pretty messed up. x_x