What are your views on fate and destiny?

I think we have set possibilities in life but no real set future. Mainly because there are stuff that happen in life that are beyond your control, its simply how you take it. Maybe astrology is only accurate by coincidence because it too only sets possibilities. As for people who suffer from the devil boards(theone where a bunch of people get togethor and ask a satanic bourd for their future and put their fingers on something as it moves on its own spelling out the future) well I guess since you ask for the devil for a future, he'll give you one seeing how powerful he is. I put my faith in god though

^ :heh: Was this too much?

Check #6 post.

I reckon some things are coincidental to the point of uncanniness - we tend to read into things overmuch but then we need to have something or someone to thank/curse for our good/bad luck ;)

As for people who suffer from the devil boards(theone where a bunch of people get togethor and ask a satanic bourd for their future and put their fingers on something as it moves on its own spelling out the future)

People tend to call the Wegee Boards.

Also, people as tend to think those are ghost moving the looking glass on the weege board, not the devil.

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Please leave such post like the one you did in the Religion topic please.

I have seen fate/destiny its like a tree with many branches. Like how 5 twigs could all be connected to one branch.... many distinct ways to go to a general conclusion. For examlple ones "fate" could be that they were meant to great things. One they could become a billionare and cure cancer, two they could go broke throughout there life and through that they were able to help many people who were like them,three they could be a psycopathic person and bring back adolf hilters form of reign. And yet all in the end they have acheived great things... Many ways for one accord

i dont believe in nyther fate nor destiny. i believe evrything that happens/happened in your life, past, present, future is the result of your actions only. Other people may do something to affect you, but there are different actions you may take that decide your fate

I don't believe in fate and destiny. I just think there are a feew things just beyond our control. It's just a matter of how you take things. It just came out weird because I read something weird before coming here. One of those what the hell was I on moments. I'm better now, or as much as I can be.

Based on things that have happened in my life so far, I believe in fate, that everything happens for a reason.

What are your views on fate and destiny?

I think we have set possibilities in life but no real set future. Mainly because there are stuff that happen in life that are beyond your control, its simply how you take it. Maybe astrology is only accurate by coincidence because it too only sets possibilities. As for people who suffer from the devil boards(theone where a bunch of people get togethor and ask a satanic bourd for their future and put their fingers on something as it moves on its own spelling out the future) well I guess since you ask for the devil for a future, he'll give you one seeing how powerful he is. I put my faith in god though

^ :heh: Was this too much?

Check #6 post.
Ouiji boards aren't Satanic... they aren't even magic. What happens is a bunch of people get together and sit for a while until someone gets bored and moves the counter. Or else the group mentality leads everyone's hands to sort of shift toward the outcome they desire, and they often don't even realize that they are doing it. But they are.

Anyway, enough harping about the Ouiji board. ^^ Fate... is what you make it, really. I mean, there are coincidences that seem too big to be just chance and all, but no one decides what you do. It seems like "destiny" if you end up with a great spouse/job/whatever, but maybe something just as good would have come along if you hadn't met/gotten/whatever the object of the outcome that seemed destined to happen.

i like to think i'm in control of my own life

Fate is stupid. Destiny too, if it's in the same sense of fate. Life is what you make of it.

i believe in destiny ^_^ , i know it have no logic but i like to believe in it :P , by the way, this threat remember me a peculiar story :) :
yesterday while i was in my private course of latin i asked to my teacher if she wanted to eat ice-cream with me and my family as a gratefulness, she told me that she couldn't because she needed to go somewhere, however, after a moment it began to rain strongly, so i said calm: well, the destiny don't want that i eat ice-cream today..., but when i finished my course the rain finished too and i could go to eat ice-cream :drool: , when we almost finished of eat my mother saw in the street my teacher and i asked her again if she wanted to eat with us, and that time she answered "yes" (note: she didn't go to that somewhere because of the rain)
i know that this story don't demonstrates anything, but in my opinion it was peculiar ^_^

I don't want to think that I can't control my own life. Unless we are all in a virtual world and our brains are in laboratories, and can't realize the truth, like The Matrix. :blink:

Quote from The Last Samurai
"I think a man can change his distiny...until his distiny is revealed to him"

That's what i think of distiny when i hear the word

i don't believe in fate or destiny, i just think that everything is a result of your actions and other people's actions and you just have to make the best of what comes at you.
though if some people want to believe in fate and destiny to give them a focus in life, go ahead.

i don't believe in fate or destiny, i just think that everything is a result of your actions and other people's actions...

That is in a way saying that there is some kind of fate in the world, you can't control other people's actions, so situations that you end up in could already be predetermined by something that's out of your control.

that's true but the way i see it, is people do stuff because they want to, not because they were fated to or not. so i think that stuff just happens and u have to take it as it comes. but by ur definition then yes, i would believe in fate a bit.

hmmmm,i think you can control your life by the choises you make like the karma stuff or something

karma does figure into fate and destiny.
i'd say i believe in karma more than i do in fate and destiny but at the same time, i don't i mean, you could be nice to everyone, etc. etc. but that doesn't mean all this nice stuff will happen to you, cause sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it does.

I beleive in a form of balance... is that like karma?

I don't know what I believe. I used to believe in destiny when I listened to voices... I really don't know. They said hings like I would die in 11 years. I'm still counting down. It's 7 years and a few months.

Don't care about what they say. You won't die. I think fate and destiny is some sort of excuse people make. It is your life, so basically you choose how you want to live it, isn't it?

Don't care about what they say. You won't die. I think fate and destiny is some sort of excuse people make. It is your life, so basically you choose how you want to live it, isn't it?

Exactly. I could choose to get hit by a car or to jump away from it. It's my choice. Now if someone dies, others might try to console themselves by blaming Fate because they need something to blame besides themselves. Fate is much more of an escape from responsibility than a truth.

I agree with admirerofnone fate is an excuse. we all have our own choices to make. we try to escape or comfort oursleves from truth. by saying that it was supposed to happen. I think it's the matrix that actually voices in on this. It has to do when to pills are offered (I think red and blue) one will give him life and one will give him knowledge. it's taking place back as an example as the garden of eden the tree of life and knowledge. It actually has alot of messages in it if I'm thinking of the right movie.

Ok im digging up this old thread because I can. Prepare to be blown away by my idea. The universe is currently expanding, no? It started expanding since the big bang, right? Well, what if at one point, the universe started to contract and eventually conrtacted into that infitly small point from which the big bang came from this could be a "big crunch". The matter in this point the "infinitly small point" or ISP as I'll call it could be organized in the same way as the matter in the ISP tht the big bang came from. So that the universe would begin again as it did the last time, creating an infinite cycle where the universe expands and contracts forever where every atom runs the same path it did "last universe". Every single action for eternity could be predetermined in that way.

now I'm sad for knowing I dont have free will....

well if that was true and this was the 'first universe' you would have free will, infact you are deciding how countless peoples lives will be (in following universes)

well, who said that this IS the first universe, it could be the 500 billionth, but your point stands that the first wasnt deterministic.

I believe in fate and destiny in a different way... kinda...
I think people are destined to have opportunities. I mean... someone might be destined to meet a certain person, but it's their own free will to make friends with them, etc... I'm in control of my own life, but who's to say there isn't something nudging us in the right direction?

Anyhoo there's my input ^_^

^’s post reminded me of an old saying (still she beat to the punch so I’m just gonna go into detail is all).

I was once told that destiny occurs when opportunity meets preparation (not by Reina :\). I believe totally in free will. Still, I also believe that what we call fate is actually preset chance occasions that we can either exploit or ignore on our own accord, thus contributing to our destinies in a "hands-on" approach.

Let me clarify my point with a "simple" example.

One football team, TEAM A trains all week and conditions themselves for the upcoming ball game. They train on catching and passing and other things that football players do.

Now the other football team, TEAM B barely trains at all, but has a multitude of fast, strong players. These skilled players fool around during practices and basically gain no improvement game wise at all because of their ego.

Now the game starts and obviously it looks like TEAM B will trample TEAM A. However, as the game progresses no one team gains the upper hand. The last score is zero to zero, fourth quarter with the frail Team A defending against the colossal TEAM B near the touchdown zone. The victory seems guaranteed, until a freak fumble (opportunity) is caught by a one of well-trained (preparation) individuals of TEAM A.

Needless to say the frail TEAM A triumphs over the cocky TEAM B.

I'm just saying that "destiny" is not a preset as you think.

hmm I know what you mean (I always thought of something similar) and explained it with a tree.

let me see if I can do this... from the time we're born we have to make choices (red thingys) those choices make up not only ourselves but how our life will proggress and the situation we will be in when we die. None of the paths (branches) are predefined, the tree grows with us until our own choices lead to death.

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My "idea" makes me think that free will is an illusion. If what happens today has already happened 500 billion times, and will happen countless more times, everything we've accomplished is a lie. I depress myself sometimes...

Don't depress yourself. The universe is much too chaotic for a theory like that to be really plausible. I mean basically no matter how many times you flip a coin one certain way, it doesn't mean it will always land on heads. Take comfort in probability and unknown statistics Eternity.

Thanks, call me Ripple though, I think there's someone called Eternity elsewhere on these forums... but back to the chaos. It's only chaotic to a point, it would start random, colapse, and start random again. What if the universe reached a point where the big crunch set up that ISP exactly the same as it was last big bang? That ISP would eventually set back into itself and do the whole thing over, since matter is the only determinant in the big crunch. The result: a repeating universe.

I assume you need an analogy. Imagine an asteroid heading past a planet. if it is caught, it won't assume a perfectly repetitive orbit immediatly. It would be passing over it going back in forth(distance from planet wise). Once it does get into that perfectly repetitive orbit, it will remain there until disturbed by outside forces. If the entire universe was set in a "perfectly repetitive orbit", then there could be no outside forces to detter it from that...Then again...

Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong(more likely) but I have theories, dammit!!

that isn't true! Never say that! How many people have lived through 20th of August 2006 CE? only us! see?

i think we get what we get its just cause and effect