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Blombrink
August 3rd, 2005, 01:49 am
Playstation3 vs. Xbox360

This is an easy one. PLAYSTATION3 XD

Noir7
August 3rd, 2005, 02:14 am
The SquareEnix representative announced that they would work with Microsoft with a newer version of FFXI, which will be on the Xbox360. They did not say anything about future games.

Personally I'll try to get as far away from Xbox360 as I can, and I hope SquareEnix fall along with it.

Hiei
August 3rd, 2005, 02:54 am
I'd stick with playstation 3. Also didnt i hear that squareenix will be making their last FINAL FANTASY game as FFXII?

Melee54
August 3rd, 2005, 04:06 am
WHOA, WHAT? Their last game is going to be FFXII??

On to the topic, I'd go with Ps3 of those 2, but I'm getting the Revolution.

Sukate
August 3rd, 2005, 05:25 am
PS3 all the way! what is gonna be the coolest is you can use your PSP as a remote for the PS3, turn it on and off. And while it is in Stand by mode you can do Mmory management on your PSP for the PS3

mystery_editor
August 3rd, 2005, 06:44 am
im' sticking with playstaition 3, because of a couple of things:
1. Final Fantasy
2. More powerful
3. i'm a playstation fanboy (even if i own a fair few other brands of consoles)
4. The backwards compatibility (which means less swapping of cables between consoles)

RD
August 3rd, 2005, 06:48 am
WHOA, WHAT? Their last game is going to be FFXII??

On to the topic, I'd go with Ps3 of those 2, but I'm getting the Revolution.

I think he ment that FFXII would be the last for hte PS2.

I would go with the PS3 because it has specs 10000% better then the XBOX360. And knowing Microsoft, they will get so many crappy developers to work with them they will only have like 4 good games for it..

But one plus for the 360 is the possability of HALO2.5.

A-jay
August 3rd, 2005, 07:43 am
revolution+ps3/x360 is all you need.
Besides I only bought a ps2 because of ff.
Microsoft concentrates too much on cheap american games anyway.
Just another shooter that looks like doom 3

XaoTiKGuNz
August 3rd, 2005, 08:10 am
I'd pick Playstation 3 beacause they have better games and Square-Enix is there too :). Personally, I don't like the games that Microsoft made. Only ones I liked were Fable and the Halo series. PS3 is more powerful and better games. XBOX 360, looks cool, all i can say right now besides the new halo.

Playstation 3 pick reasons:
1. Square-Enix (Final Fantasy)
2. More powerful
3. Backwards capability (PSP capability ^^)
4. Wider choice of games
5. Grand Theft Auto always comes first to Playstation, THAN to Xbox ^^

RD
August 3rd, 2005, 08:21 am
The only reason I would get a 360 is for Halo2.5 and Halo3..

Speaking of halo, did you know that paramount pictures anf FOX are thinking of making a
halo movie!?

Maestrosetti
August 3rd, 2005, 11:52 am
Movies based on games and games based on movies usually suck, though.

crackthesky
August 3rd, 2005, 01:17 pm
ive gotta go with xbox 260.

detachable 20 or more gig hard drive,
online music service,
halo 3

mystery_editor
August 3rd, 2005, 01:21 pm
if i get the cash, i'd like to change my opinion to all three, in the order of PS3, Revoultion, XBOX360

crackthesky
August 3rd, 2005, 01:27 pm
heh. halo 3 is releasing on the day ps3 releases. thats gonna leave a giant mark on sony's sales in america

Sukate
August 3rd, 2005, 05:35 pm
I donno, Everybody was too hyped up for the second one, and when it came out it was no where as good as people anticipated it to be, so it didn't feel the same as Halo. People are prolly thinking the same thing so they aren't gonna be as excited for it and it will prolly be an average selling game for a while, then it will jump up in sales, but of corse you have the fanboys for both the Playstation and Halo. The fanboy war continues as long as there are games in the world.

shade
August 3rd, 2005, 06:01 pm
PS3 all the way.

Phenix
August 4th, 2005, 09:18 pm
I'm more inclined to the ps3 myself, for the games and that Unreal engine 3 demo, wow! now that was somthing, although the games won't look like that its somthing to think the console can produce that level of graphics

RD
August 4th, 2005, 11:02 pm
Movies based on games and games based on movies usually suck, though.

Yea, but the plot of Halo is like a movie anyways, while most games are just to unreal...


heh. halo 3 is releasing on the day ps3 releases. thats gonna leave a giant mark on sony's sales in america

Lol! In europe, Microsoft put up a bilboard for the 360. A few days later, Sony put up a GAINT poster accross the street that said 'Save your Strength For 06'

Neko Koneko
August 4th, 2005, 11:58 pm
Xbox 360, because:

1) NO FF (nya-nya =P )
2) Dead or Alive series
3) Erm... Stuff

Actually I'd be most likely to get a Nintendo system if I ever bought a console cos I love Nintendo.

Maestrosetti
August 5th, 2005, 12:43 am
Oh goodie. Someone else likes nintendo. (I'm not being sarcastic by the way, I love nintendo)

RD
August 5th, 2005, 01:12 am
I like nintendo more the Microsoft, but sony more then nintendo..

GO DS!

Sukate
August 5th, 2005, 07:43 am
Like I said before, the DS is the poor mans PSP

RD
August 5th, 2005, 05:44 pm
and the PSP is like an IPod, it looks cool, but its a peice of crap. Theres no need for all the Add-ons too!

Neko Koneko
August 6th, 2005, 12:20 am
Like I said before, the DS is the poor mans PSP

The DS is something way better than the PSP could ever be. The DS is something that actually brings us something new, while the PSP only combines things that we already have.

The PSP is like a fancy sports car. Looks nice, plays nice, and after aa few hours you're out of fuel.

The DS is like the new hybrid cars (cars that have a normal engine and an electrical engine). It doesn't look cool, it isn't the fastest of all, but it does bring something new and good.

Kou
August 6th, 2005, 12:43 am
but the thing is DS is just for games. PSP has other uses that give it a slight competitive edge (apart from having better games, or at least so far)

Anyway.. MS shows off Xbox series as high-spec mean machine but then this time PS3's got power to match it. Dunno about 360's stats but

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/Kougp01/36490.gif

looks powerful enough for me

crackthesky
August 6th, 2005, 01:15 am
in my town, it just breaks down to this: final fantasy or halo?....no one is really into any nintendo here.

RD
August 6th, 2005, 03:14 am
HEH! NINTENDO ALL THE WAY!

But I would choose FF over Halo anyday...

~

Also, on the DS/PSP matter, look at all the Companies that signed up to do games for both systems. If you look at it this way, the DS is more promissing. And if you look at the games that are to be released for both, the DS is still far better. The games are more original and look better.

Take Black&White and Nintendogs for an example. It is impossable for the PSP to do such games like that, because they take a computer mouse to be able to play, but in this case the mouse was replaced with a styli. I could see a mouse add on in the FAR FUTURE for the PSP, but that is very stupid as it is cool. A mouse for a handheld >_<

mystery_editor
August 6th, 2005, 04:23 am
i loves nintendo as well!!! it still kicks ass!!!


Lol! In europe, Microsoft put up a bilboard for the 360. A few days later, Sony put up a GAINT poster accross the street that said 'Save your Strength For 06'

That was in response to when sony had a PSP warehouse promotional thing in france, and Microsoft hired teh shop across the street and put up some posters saying, "Save your strength for Winter" So it was in response to that

...ahem...

crackthesky
August 23rd, 2005, 01:25 am
rumours say that 360 will be released in early november for 360 U.S. dollars.

Blombrink
August 23rd, 2005, 04:08 pm
And we in europe must wait 6 month after the Japanes release :(
Damn Europe. !

Maestrosetti
August 23rd, 2005, 05:21 pm
rumours say that 360 will be released in early november for 360 U.S. dollars.
Actually, it's 399$.

crackthesky
August 23rd, 2005, 08:30 pm
im sorry...

4g10muzik
August 30th, 2005, 11:14 am
Does any one know the release date for ps3 . I know that xbox360 is going to be released between November 4-10th. But ps3.....?

DaveX
August 30th, 2005, 10:49 pm
Does any one know the release date for ps3 . I know that xbox360 is going to be released between November 4-10th. But ps3.....?

Early 2006 is what the rumors say ^_^

well.. I can't say which one is better.. but I personally like SONY more, xbox is still too "Computerish".

pifish
August 31st, 2005, 12:20 pm
...well.. I can't say which one is better.. but I personally like SONY more, xbox is still too "Computerish".

I think it's odd when people say that "The Xbox is too much like a computer" All the game consoles are computers! Just with different hardware and capabilities, just like PC's.

Blombrink
August 31st, 2005, 12:28 pm
Maybe itīs something Microsoft does, to make it look more like a computer than a console.
Computer and console isnīt the same thing. Ever thought why they have different names ?

Noir7
August 31st, 2005, 01:45 pm
No one can deny that consoles and PCs are taking the same path. Every console is starting to lean towards an entertainment unit, just like the computer.

DaveX
August 31st, 2005, 04:07 pm
No one can deny that consoles and PCs are taking the same path. Every console is starting to lean towards an entertainment unit, just like the computer.

yeah soon enough the consoles will be computers :P

crackthesky
August 31st, 2005, 07:33 pm
if it turns to that, microsoft will be the first one to make a computer called xbox. and seriously, online music service for 360? thats not supposed to be in a gaming consoe!
meh. my fav system still has to be the n64.

Kozmo
August 31st, 2005, 07:34 pm
I would have to go for Xbox 360 only reason I'm getting that first is because the Revolution comes out much later =/
The price for the Xbox 360 isn't bad either. The PS3 is most likely going to be the most expensive since it's Sony.

DaveX
August 31st, 2005, 10:37 pm
I would have to go for Xbox 360 only reason I'm getting that first is because the Revolution comes out much later =/
The price for the Xbox 360 isn't bad either. The PS3 is most likely going to be the most expensive since it's Sony.

so here it's about the price =].. well if you are going to buy games later on... (for xbox360 or ps3).. I don't think there will be a big difference on the systems.. I mean seriously, games like Fifa,NHL, or NBA are almost identical between the two systems. BUT there are always developers who only make their games on one system. And both systems have their pluses...and those things are often how the customer likes it personally. (Like the controller etc..)

So if you're going to buy the revolution later on and you're not so accurate about which system is better between xbox360 and ps3.. well then..yeah GO FOR THE PRICE. :thumb:

Kozmo
August 31st, 2005, 10:43 pm
I'm sure all 3 of the consoles are going to have amazing games, I'm just not willing to spend a lot of money for the PS3 I don't know what the price for the Revolution is going to be....actually, hardly any of us know that much about the Revolution right now.

One of the main reasons I'm getting an Xbox 360 is because of Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. My PC is kinda crappy at the moment so yeah, the Xbox 360 will help me here. Perfect Dark Zero is another reason to get an Xbox 360. Now that Microsoft own Rare, I hope to see some quality games come out for the Xbox 360.

RD
August 31st, 2005, 11:27 pm
Off topic: Did you know theres a mod to make an XBOX a compleat entertainment system? It was in PopularScience, and it says all you do it pop in the chip and screw it tight.

My unlce is thinking of doing that and replacing his enternaiment PC with it too :P

Onto topic: I herd sony was going to drop the price down at the last moment...but its such big news, Microsoft has to know about it unless they are total idiots..

crackthesky
September 1st, 2005, 12:40 am
tried it. failed. bought a new xbox. never doing it again.

not only did it void the warranty, i also wasted 100 bucks on some kit.

Blombrink
September 1st, 2005, 06:26 am
The new consoles is extremely much better than computer graphics.
The console era has begun when the all get released.

RD
September 1st, 2005, 07:10 am
Erm. No. The only reason why its better in graphics is because its made for games which is made for graphics.

A computer on the other hand is a multi-tasking-media swiching machine. It is made for convienence, and doesnt need 100000000 plygons to be usefull.

~


tried it. failed. bought a new xbox. never doing it again.

not only did it void the warranty, i also wasted 100 bucks on some kit

really? Doesnt seem like it shouldnt work or void the warrenty. All it says to do it screw in the chip in the right place, and there are exsisting lobes so no soughtering is required, jus screw it tight....

Blombrink
September 1st, 2005, 07:16 am
That why CONSOLES never can be compared to COMPUTERS !

Kozmo
September 1st, 2005, 09:19 am
You might as well call Xbox 360 a PC since it's made by Microsoft. Some games on the Xbox came out for the PC, take Halo and Fable for an example. Now look at Elder Scrolls IV and Call of Duty 2.

As for the PS3, you might as well compare it's power to the high end PC's now. Nvidia has decided to help out with the PS3. And did any of you see Killzone2? that was done a powerful Nvidia graphics card. I think the geforce 6800...though I'm not sure.

So, soon, you might as well compare consoles to PC's since the consoles are basically made of the same technolgy as PC's.

pifish
September 1st, 2005, 11:59 am
really? Doesnt seem like it shouldnt work or void the warrenty. All it says to do it screw in the chip in the right place, and there are exsisting lobes so no soughtering is required, jus screw it tight....

I'm pretty sure that there's a disclaimer or sticker somewhere that does state that if you open up the box or modify it's contents you have voided the warranty.

Also consoles can to some extent be compared to PC's as some of the functions that they preform are similar and hardware is also pretty much the same, and consoles have always essentially been computer systems (although I guess some of the older ones could simply be said that they were embedded systems) but their functions have always been different and as Radical_Dreamer says PC's aren't just designed for gaming so they require many more things to do different tasks.

Noir7
September 1st, 2005, 03:33 pm
That why CONSOLES never can be compared to COMPUTERS !

How so? Sure, games are the focus for consoles - but they ARE going towards the computer. With every year, new crap and features are added to consoles, and they never cease coming.

So yes, consoles can be compared to computers. Just not yet, in certain measures. A PC is way more powerful than a PS3 or an Xbox360 simply because a computer can do everything.

Kozmo
September 1st, 2005, 03:46 pm
You can compare a PS3 to a high end PC actually. The PS3 is going to be so powerful, it's untrue. I'm not saying it's going to be better than high end PC's that we have today but it is getting there. The PS3's CPU is a PowerPC-base Core at 3.2ghz, that's mighty powerful for a console. Don't get me started on the rest :heh:

Just imagine how powerful the future consoles are going to be :sweat:
So if you don't have a powerful PC, don't worry, just use a PS3, lol.

Anime_Girl_Jenni
September 1st, 2005, 04:50 pm
But who in their right mind would bother to pay $400 for a system that within a year and a half will be $250? those systems don't sell nearly as well as a cheaper unit such as Nintendo. the GC out sold both PS2 and Xbox combined on it's release date because of the low price. $97million dollars worth compared to about 90million for both ps2 and Xbox in total. Which tells you that it's not always the most powerful system, but the system with the lowest price tag.

I have no doubt that all 3 systems will be great, but I'm not willing to shell out $400 bucks for something that will be half the price the following year.

Kozmo
September 1st, 2005, 05:09 pm
Which is why I'm getting an Xbox 360 for now. It's surprisingly cheap for a next gen console and it has games I want to get.

There is no way that I'm getting a PS3 on launch, you must be joking. As Animeniac said, it's too expensive. According to Sony, they want the buyers to "work hard for the PS3" or something. No thanks, I'd rather work hard to pay the bills ;p

DaveX
September 1st, 2005, 07:02 pm
Which is why I'm getting an Xbox 360 for now. It's surprisingly cheap for a next gen console and it has games I want to get.

There is no way that I'm getting a PS3 on launch, you must be joking. As Animeniac said, it's too expensive. According to Sony, they want the buyers to "work hard for the PS3" or something. No thanks, I'd rather work hard to pay the bills ;p

I don't know when xbox360 or ps3 is coming to sweden, but if I'm going to buy one of them one day, it will not be on the First RD.

RD
September 1st, 2005, 08:25 pm
You might as well call Xbox 360 a PC since it's made by Microsoft. Some games on the Xbox came out for the PC, take Halo and Fable for an example. Now look at Elder Scrolls IV and Call of Duty 2.

As for the PS3, you might as well compare it's power to the high end PC's now. Nvidia has decided to help out with the PS3. And did any of you see Killzone2? that was done a powerful Nvidia graphics card. I think the geforce 6800...though I'm not sure.

So, soon, you might as well compare consoles to PC's since the consoles are basically made of the same technolgy as PC's.

Just because a game thats on a system goes to PC doesnt make that system a PC. B&W, Zoo Tycoon, and many more PC games are coming out for the DS, and that doesnt make it anymore a PC then a NES is one.

Well, the DS wont be a PC, untill Nintendo tells us what the V-Pocket really is..people say its to be a DS addon that makes it a PocketPC :P

~


Which is why I'm getting an Xbox 360 for now. It's surprisingly cheap for a next gen console and it has games I want to get.

There is no way that I'm getting a PS3 on launch, you must be joking. As Animeniac said, it's too expensive. According to Sony, they want the buyers to "work hard for the PS3" or something. No thanks, I'd rather work hard to pay the bills ;p

The PS3 is sapposidly going to have a price drop right before it is released. And the XBOX360 is cheeper!? Have you seen the bundles and crap people are selling!? GameStop is selling one for $1200 UDS! Adn I herd there was another one for $2400 USD!

Kozmo
September 1st, 2005, 08:38 pm
Just because a game thats on a system goes to PC doesnt make that system a PC. B&W, Zoo Tycoon, and many more PC games are coming out for the DS, and that doesnt make it anymore a PC then a NES is one.
Who the hell cares about B&W and Zoo Tycon? I'm talking about the big games. Have a PC that can't handel Elder Scrolls 4?, get an Xbox 360, have a PC that can't handel Doom 3? get an Xbox, have a PC that can't handel Half Life 2? get it on Xbox. Do you want to play Fable but don't like Xbox? no problem, it's coming out on PC anyway. Do you see where I'm getting at here or what?

crackthesky
September 2nd, 2005, 01:14 am
just beacuse same games are coming out for pc and consoles doesnt mean a console is basically a pc. if what you claim is true about how a console is a pc, why dont you try to stick battlefield vietnam into a xbox? or maybe a pc version of half-life into a ps2? will it work? well, apparantly not. so just because consoles have the power to play games that pc's cant, that doesnt mean a console=a pc. besides, if you have a superior comp. like alienware and it s a upgraded, and u play a pc version of doom 3 on the pc and a xbox version of doom 3 for xbox, you'll notice a large differece in graphics and lighting and all that. So w/ all these differeces, calling a console a pc is like calling a rabbit a squirrel. Tho Pc's and consoles are beginning to become equally powerful, they still have their differences that distinguishes them.

and second of all, who has the right to determine if a game is "big" or not? all games are equally importanat because even the crappiest games might inspire some other company to make a game.

Blombrink
September 2nd, 2005, 01:52 am
@ Muffinmaster
Thatīs exacly how I think.

DaveX
September 2nd, 2005, 07:39 am
just a new graphic card to a computer can cost more than a brand new console lol

Kozmo
September 2nd, 2005, 01:05 pm
Ummm Muffinmaster, I meant consoles can be compared to PC's "POWER WISE". As for the Xbox, I didn't actually mean it's a PC lmao it was more of a joke, what I meant is that it's got a lot of games on it from a PC which is good actually if your PC can't handel that game. And if Bill Gates wants, he can get a very popular game from the PC onto the Xbox 360, he's got his ways if you know what I mean.

If you have a high end PC, you really shouldn't bother with consoles.....not until they go way cheap anyway.

EDIT= It is true if you have a PC like Alienware then play a game like Doom 3 on it then compare it to an Xbox you will notice a lot of difference but seriously, if a gamer really wanted to play that on a PC but couldn't because it couldn't handel the game, that person wouldn't really care just as long as the person has the game.

crackthesky
September 2nd, 2005, 07:33 pm
hey guys. sorry 'bout teh rant.:heh: i think i had too much salt in that chicken last night...:\

anyways, yeah. im preordering 360 for mai b-day. i just wanna get oblivion.

Noir7
September 21st, 2005, 07:02 pm
I'm wondering why Revolution isn't included here. :mellow:

RD
September 21st, 2005, 08:27 pm
Because Nintendo is concidered the underdog by many now. Its actauly becomeing un-cool to have a GCN and other Nintendo products among the younger children and teens...

I would rather have a Revolution then any other system, because its cooler and can connect to the DS to send free demos of DS game to it :D

shade
September 22nd, 2005, 02:59 am
the nintendo revolution is a great console. if your 6 years old.

Anime_Girl_Jenni
September 22nd, 2005, 03:25 am
the nintendo revolution is a great console. if your 6 years old.

So is the Commodore 64, but few people today would even know how to operate one, it's beyond their skill level. so there!

RD
September 22nd, 2005, 03:41 am
the nintendo revolution is a great console. if your 6 years old.

People said the same about the DS..and which system is coming out with gaes with titles like "Death Jr."? And which game is coming out with XenoSaga 1&2, Final Fantasy 3, World of Mana, Black and White, Animal Crossing and even already has games like Advance Wars?

PSP= over priced baby rattle

crackthesky
September 22nd, 2005, 09:19 pm
i agree with your views of the ds, but dont be dissing the psp! its a great handheld. and tis general fight about ds and psp is getting old. its great you like the ds or psp, but why bother dissing the one you dont like and trying to convert ppl to a ceratin system/handheld? everyone has their own opinions and trying to make them convert is useless

Kozmo
September 22nd, 2005, 10:20 pm
Heh, I bought my PSP today. It's actually a very good handheld. The DS and PSP are both amazing handhelds, I hate neither. The DS has some stuff better than the PSP and the PSP has some stuff better than the DS.
Well, at least now I can judge both since I own both ;p

And since when has this been a thread about the PSP and the DS? :sweat:

Alone
September 23rd, 2005, 07:41 am
I think its a mistake, what Microsoft is doing, having two different versions of Xbox 360 at launch (one being cheaper and without - hd, wireless, etc.). The lack of hd at launch was what attracted many developers (jap) in the first place. But now that it's gonna have 2 versions, developers will most likely concentrate on games that dont need a HD (so as to have a wider audience). Anyways, the full version will cost $399, and I don't think thats too far off from PS3...

slowdive
September 23rd, 2005, 11:15 am
I'm wondering why Revolution isn't included here. :mellow:
Probably because Nintendo aren't really including themselves in the console wars, or at least it's something they aren't really concerned with. Revolution details are a bit sketchier than the others.

I prefer the XBOX games to Playstations, so I'll say XBOX. Graphics, they'll both be overly powerful, so I wouldn't really expect to see a difference. Nor would I care if I did.

Noir7
September 23rd, 2005, 11:58 am
Anyways, the full version will cost $399, and I don't think thats too far off from PS3...

And to add to that, the Core-System (the cheaper edition) will be around $299.

crackthesky
September 24th, 2005, 02:29 pm
anyone know when the camera for the 360 might come out?

Kozmo
October 2nd, 2005, 12:44 pm
We don't actually know how much the PS3 is gona cost, all I know is that they "want the buyer to work hard for it", which I find pretty lame. It shouldn't be any higher than Ģ499.99. The Xbox 360 HD version is priced Ģ279.99 here, that is less than I paid for my Xbox so I think I'm getting a pretty good deal here.

mystery_editor
October 2nd, 2005, 01:54 pm
And to add to that, the Core-System (the cheaper edition) will be around $299.

Didn't any of you read the Ctrl-Alt-Del comic?

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050914.jpg
I think that answers all our questions about teh core system...

JAPPO
October 2nd, 2005, 03:43 pm
360 sucks Im getting nintendo revolution, you see the controllers? even newgrounds.com announced they are freakin sweet. Maybe ps3 in a couple years :)

crackthesky
October 2nd, 2005, 04:16 pm
360 sucks

maybe you should explain why?

i dont like people just stateing a view that others might oppose without giving any reasons for it.

Kozmo
October 2nd, 2005, 10:17 pm
Probably hates Bill Gates, that's a good point actually:P

Anime_Girl_Jenni
October 3rd, 2005, 06:30 pm
maybe you should explain why?

i dont like people just stateing a view that others might oppose without giving any reasons for it.



Microsoft had no prior experience in the Console market before Xbox and then that was just a re-hash of all the technology invented by Nintendo, Sega, and Sony, none of which microsoft created.

crackthesky
October 3rd, 2005, 08:00 pm
so what?

they made a good console. people bought it. thats all that matters in the big picture.

Kozmo
October 3rd, 2005, 08:43 pm
Microsoft had no prior experience in the Console market before Xbox and then that was just a re-hash of all the technology invented by Nintendo, Sega, and Sony, none of which microsoft created.
Microsoft done good for their first console. It actually beat the GC surprisingly enough. And it had quality games with nice features on the console such as the HD, first console to actually have a HD which was nice.

Anime_Girl_Jenni
October 3rd, 2005, 08:59 pm
My point is it isnt original! they just used the technologies from other systems.

Kozmo
October 3rd, 2005, 10:34 pm
It was original, I just stated why. And what do you mean by "it used the same technology" as the other systems, it didn't use the same technology as GC. The Xbox was much more powerful than the PS2 as well, it used more advanced technology.

Anime_Girl_Jenni
October 5th, 2005, 01:32 am
They took what was already available and tinkered with it, none of what they have they actually gained from experience. and besides it was a flop in Japan

Kozmo
October 5th, 2005, 01:50 pm
The Gamecube uses ATI technology, the Xbox doesn't use that, I don't think.
As for the Xbox flopping in Japan, the reason for that is because it's not made by a Japanese company, and most people hate Bill Gates ;p

slowdive
October 5th, 2005, 02:10 pm
Anybody who hates Bill Gates, and can only think of "he makes too much money, what's he gonna do with it" as an excuse is a moron.

What's wrong with taking something and improving on it? All I care about is that they have games that I enjoy on a good console, and I think that's the only thing the market cares for as well.

mystery_editor
October 5th, 2005, 02:21 pm
bill gates isn't head of microsoft anymore, i do believe. on top of that, its not his fault that the console was made in america. I mean, there aren't too many consoles that come out of anywhere but japan, so some people see it as an oddity, a rarity, and a good change.

Blombrink
October 5th, 2005, 08:07 pm
1 of the reason I hate Microsoft is that the controller is too big v_v. Not very addapted to the younger ones (unlike Nintendo, that only thinks about the younger ones). So I&#180;ll stick to Playstation for the rest of my life. Nintendo too, because Final Fantasy games are going to be realeased on it. :ichigo:

Kozmo
October 5th, 2005, 08:14 pm
They made the smaller version ages ago, isn't that enough for you?

Frozenboogereatr
October 5th, 2005, 11:49 pm
Well, I'm a Playstation person in general. But having all these new Xbox 360 articles coming out...one can't help but drool over the content. I'm not a hardcore Xbox live person, but it's real enticing. The price is nothing to compare because they are just going to be way high on both accounts. There is a great (and HUGE and INFORMATIVE) article in the current EGM (Electrionic Gaming Magazine) and it's really awesome. You should read it.

Blombrink
October 6th, 2005, 11:20 am
They made the smaller version ages ago, isn't that enough for you?
nope :cry:

Sai Ming
October 23rd, 2005, 10:24 am
Nothing beats PS3, playstation is like an iPod, crushes all cometetion :P
Same this is with PSP, just wonderful!

Blombrink
October 23rd, 2005, 04:46 pm
I agree with Thai.

Neko Koneko
October 25th, 2005, 09:11 am
1 of the reason I hate Microsoft is that the controller is too big v_v. Not very addapted to the younger ones (unlike Nintendo, that only thinks about the younger ones). So Iīll stick to Playstation for the rest of my life. Nintendo too, because Final Fantasy games are going to be realeased on it. :ichigo:

1) Xbox has a smaller controller, like pointed out before
2) Nintendo doesn't only think about the young ones, that's what narrow minded fools say. They see happy colours and say that the games are kiddy. I love nintendo games because instead of violence they offer great and mature gameplay, and it's always of great quality. Just because nintendo games aren't bloody doesn't mean they are childish. Besides, next to that Gamecube does have Resident evil. Kids only? Fool.

I'm considering buying an Xbox or Gamecube when the new consoles arrive cos then they'll be cheap and the games will be cheap too. I'm not even considering buying a PS2. Why? Xbox is powerful and Gamecube is Nintendo. I'll probably go for a Gamecube if I go through with it.

If I bought a next-gen console it would probably be the X-box 360. Not the PS3, I'm simply not attracted to it. Maybe the Nintendo revolution, but I need to know how much it would cost first.

RD
October 25th, 2005, 11:57 pm
Nintendo said 200 USD or even less. Amasing how much Nintendo products cost.

~

I agree with Anglie 100%. Nintendo isnt kiddy, they make games everyone can enjoy. You dont have to have a rag-doll system and a bunch of gore to be happy. Remember Mario? And Angie makes a great point! Resedent Evil is coming out to Nintendo faster then China is making babies!

DS + SquareEnix = love

Demonic Wyvern
October 26th, 2005, 12:13 am
Nintendo Revolution all the way! Nintendo believes in originality and is actually trying to be innovative. Can't say the same about the competition only trying to improve the graphics.

Kozmo
October 27th, 2005, 02:34 am
It irritates me when people call Nintendo "childish". Nintendo make quality games. Sony and Microsoft just ended up having more popular games than Nintendo, games which are mostly aimed at the maturer audience. People call Nintendo childish....that really saddens me because they can't see past that and notice how fun these games really are.
Most of the people that call Nintendo "childish" are children themselves, they just say that because it makes them feel like adults and cool by playing GTA.

Neko Koneko
October 27th, 2005, 08:26 am
Nintendo said 200 USD or even less. Amasing how much Nintendo products cost.

~

I agree with Anglie 100%. Nintendo isnt kiddy, they make games everyone can enjoy. You dont have to have a rag-doll system and a bunch of gore to be happy. Remember Mario? And Angie makes a great point! Resedent Evil is coming out to Nintendo faster then China is making babies!

DS + SquareEnix = love

Please don't call me angie <_<

Elite666
October 27th, 2005, 08:42 am
Nintendo said 200 USD or even less. Amasing how much Nintendo products cost.

Umm... perhaps you should actually check out what you say. Considering the only pricing information Nintendo has given is their usual jive about how it will be released at a price accessible to the mass market then I think you're jumping the gun a little... or a lot... or just making crap up like usual.


Resedent Evil is coming out to Nintendo faster then China is making babies!

Why this would make sense if RE5 had been announced for a Nintendo console. Too bad it wasn't. Capcom obviously started to rethink their commitment to Nintendo about they decided to port RE4 to PS2. Well, it was actually more like the time they decided to port all of the surving "Capcom 5" to PS2 but it was made clearest when they felt a strong franchise couldn't sell well enough on the Cube to warrant exclusivity. I think there are likely still people at Capcom that feel they should be supporting Nintendo, but those people aren't calling the shots.

RD
October 27th, 2005, 08:59 am
Ops. Sorry.

It actualy may be pritty expensive. Amazons French site said it is going to be 299,99 Eurs, which is around $367 USD.

Elite666
October 27th, 2005, 09:16 am
Sites like Amazon just tend to make up numbers so they can take orders and they always over estimate because it's much harder to get people to pay more than to refund on pre-orders. I'd suggest just refraining from commenting on the price beyond saying something like "It's likely to be less than the competitors machines" and this is a perfectly reasonable statement because it doesn't suggest any real knowledge and it makes sense since the Revolution has been said to be less technically powerful than the competitors.

Noir7
October 27th, 2005, 02:38 pm
Sony will win this generation's console war. That's not the reason why I'll buy their machine, though. Nintendo is indeed not just for children, but I stopped buying their stuff after N64 (which was the greatest console ever made, along with the best games ever developed).

Nightmare
November 1st, 2005, 01:56 pm
I'm dissapointed in you, Elite. Usually I can look forward to a wealthly supply of information on all 3 systems from you, as well as some good outlooks on the future; rather then having to run through all 7 pages sorting facts from opinion. What happened, lol?

Anyways, I plan to buy the Playstation 3 first. I must sy I am more of a Playstation person than a Nintendo person, though there is a Nintendo fan inside of me. Don't get me wrong, I think there are lots of games for Nintendo that are good, but...the time span in which they brought out to market pales into the ones for PS2. In otherwords, for me to get one Mario Sunshine game, 3 devil may cry games for the PS2 have come out. During the wait for Zelda, I have gotten Soul Reavor 2 and Defiance.

There are games I just love and have to get for the Nintendo counsels, but there are far more games and sequels that come out for the PS2 that I can buy versus ones that I wish to buy for the GameCube. In other words, for everyone one game I buy for GameCube, that's perhaps 2 or 3 for the PS2. As for XBox, there are some games I really enjoy on there, and though the ratio of games I buy for the XBox to PS2 is higher than the ones for GameCube to PS2, I still buy more games for the PS2, as I find their games more appealing.

And so for this reason, I will buy the PS3 next, followed more likely by the XBox360. I just feel there are so many better games for PS3 around then there are for the other systems.

RD
November 1st, 2005, 11:06 pm
I know this one guy from a diffrent forum who somehow gets all this news and stuff really fast. Hes best known there for all these screens he post, which we dont know how he gets......

Meer
November 2nd, 2005, 01:12 am
I know this one guy from a diffrent forum who somehow gets all this news and stuff really fast. Hes best known there for all these screens he post, which we dont know how he gets......

Maybe he works for the three: Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft in secret. :shifty:

RD
November 2nd, 2005, 01:38 am
I wouldnt be surpriesed. But he must work for the Japanese co-parts, because he gets the news DAMN FAST...

pifish
November 2nd, 2005, 03:49 am
Or maybe he's just in the media?

angrybeaver101
November 3rd, 2005, 05:13 pm
is sony using the blueray disc?
and what about xbox 360?

Childlike Empress
November 8th, 2005, 12:24 am
Uhhhhhhhh............ how did Nintendo get in the conversation?:huh:

Nightmare
November 8th, 2005, 01:31 am
Did you really expect a topic of Playstation 3 and XBox 360 to occur without the Revolution getting in?

RD
November 8th, 2005, 03:21 am
is sony using the blueray disc?
and what about xbox 360?

Lame old 360 is still using DVD's.

pifish
November 8th, 2005, 04:20 am
DVD's can still hold huge amounts of data, just because it can't store as much as a Bluray DVD doesn't make it less of a better console disc format.

TheIshter
November 8th, 2005, 04:28 am
but it can be ripped and burned.

RD
November 8th, 2005, 04:51 am
So can bluray. We just dont have the money for a bluray ripper-burner..

Actualy, some companies arnt so happy because the 360 isnt using bluray because even with all the great graphics and sound and gameplay the 360 can do, a dvd may not be enough to hold a good game that uses the 360 to the max.

angrybeaver101
November 8th, 2005, 05:21 am
i remember a long time ago, jvc and sony were fighting for video tape superiority. VHS(JVC with their players) and something else i can't remember anymore(sony). Anyways lost sony the marketing battle even though their media was better.

Today people are trying to bring in the super dvd and bluray, i wonder if sony can pull through this time?

Elite666
November 8th, 2005, 07:26 am
I know this one guy from a diffrent forum who somehow gets all this news and stuff really fast. Hes best known there for all these screens he post, which we dont know how he gets......

Hmm... considering the average quality of your news, he could just make a bunch of it up and you swallow it without thinking about it objectively.


I'm dissapointed in you, Elite. Usually I can look forward to a wealthly supply of information on all 3 systems from you, as well as some good outlooks on the future; rather then having to run through all 7 pages sorting facts from opinion. What happened, lol?

This is a thread I've kind of been expressly avoiding. There just isn't enough information on two of the three systems to even begin to make a choice right now.

The Xbox 360 is taking a gamble on releasing this early and killing off the current generation and they're doing it without any compelling advances in software. This is quite a bit like what the original Playstation did except the Xbox will actually make a difference (Playstation didn't matter until FFVII came out, it just didn't). That said, they are launching with one of the best sets of launch titles in gaming history and they're launching at the height of their brand power so it's bound to make a splash. Either way, I'm buying one eventually because Too Human will be exclusive to it. I pledge allegiance to few developers, but where Silicon Knights goes, I will follow.

The Playstation 3 looks like a vacuum power head/George Foreman Grill and it has a boomerang controller. It's launching at a price that is too high for households (paraphrased quote from Ken Katsuragi) and it will be the least developer friendly of the big 3. Really, I think Katsuragi is off his rocker (for further evidence see comments on the defective square button on the PSP) and is doing a good job of digging Sony's grave on this one. He's practically reaching Yamauchi levels of insanity but he didn't revitalize a dead industry so he can't justify it. Microsoft's gamble seems to be paying off here, Sony is forced to abandon profit and launch before they're ready and they likely won't make their projected March date (word has it their dev kits have been melting and they have to a bit of a redesign on the beast). Also, they've already cut back on their initially promised features and Sony has a proud history of lying through their teeth about technology.

All that considered, they've still got the brand name power, the casual audience and the developer backing because no matter how successful Microsoft gets, they won't be Japanese. They're going to have a strong launch no matter what, but then again so did the N64. A lot can happen in a generation. The missing unified online plan seems about as bad as the oversight of not going with CD's. Why build an all-in-one system if you're not going to give it a usable and intuitive online interface?

My comments on Nintendo can be found in the Revolution controller thread but the overall gist is, they're learning a lot, Iwata is starting to come into his own and they're finally growing up a little (not to say they were kiddy, but they lacked the ability to show they were mature). However, they're starting with a severe disadvantage. They can't pull a DS on this one and launch with no compelling software and still expect it to fly. The SSB title that comes at launch will be imperative and will pretty much have to single-handedly sell the online aspect. If it doesn't launch with a Mario game, they're not thinking straight. Also, Metroid Prime 3 should ship within a couple of months if not at launch and be the best damn thing in existence. MP has the power to be a Halo killer if done right, Microsoft can't match the power of that controller for an FPS. Nintendo needs to get a AAA quality FPS out the door right away that proves the Revolution is the only way to play them. Then they'll have their foot in the door for the mature market.

I'm not sure they'll accomplish any of this, but it could happen.

RD
November 8th, 2005, 10:57 pm
Hmm... considering the average quality of your news, he could just make a bunch of it up and you swallow it without thinking about it objectively.

No, my news is from what I find, I never post anything he does here.

slowdive
November 9th, 2005, 04:17 am
Hmm... considering the average quality of your news, he could just make a bunch of it up and you swallow it without thinking about it objectively.
:lol:

RD
November 9th, 2005, 05:09 am
http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000420067137/

HAHA! FUCKING IDIOTIC SONY! LOL! I feel so sorry for Sony fans right now!!!!

EDIT: Okay, so its a possability, but its not like it WONT happen.. :stoner:

Also, the PS3 controller looks uncomfertable

angrybeaver101
November 9th, 2005, 05:50 am
i'm glad sony decided to create the least ergonomic machine known to man. that way it can take up as much space as possible once it becomes obsolete.

RD
November 9th, 2005, 06:02 am
I know! The thing is giant, and sony decides to design it so it has to stand upright unless you want to wobble and possably break. I would be alot happier with a blocky system because then I could have it placed in multiple ways..BUT NOOO! It has to be an egg shape with only 2 sides that are flat..

And the damn controller is chuncky!

Nightmare
November 9th, 2005, 08:06 am
Radical Dreamer, that's a rumor. If they tried something like that, they would lose millions of dollars. Imagine how many people would refuse to buy the system, all the stores that would not carry any games for it, and protests from the customers. Stores like GameStop and such would really be at a disadvantage for used games. Hell, just read the comments below the article. I personally think this rumor is absolutely false and a bunch of bullshit. I'll be very suprised if it is true, and will refuse to buy the system.

RD
November 9th, 2005, 08:09 am
Its just a roumer, I agree. But theres a chace it might not be. And dont you think its a bit fishy how it was found under then registered patent design?

Neko Koneko
November 9th, 2005, 08:47 am
It's funny how Radical Dreamer is dissing the PS3. You'll need that thing to play FF you know?

Noir7
November 9th, 2005, 09:14 am
Rather Xbox.

slowdive
November 9th, 2005, 10:44 am
XI is comming out on XBOX 360, I believe.

Kozmo
November 9th, 2005, 03:18 pm
Meh, PS3 is most probably gona have a FF7 remake, if it ever gets released >.<

angrybeaver101
November 9th, 2005, 04:20 pm
i think i'm looking forward to revolution this time around

Elite666
November 9th, 2005, 05:32 pm
Meh, PS3 is most probably gona have a FF7 remake, if it ever gets released >.<

Or developed for that matter.

RD, the PS3 has 3 flat sides, you can lay it horizontally if you wish. Hence the resemblance to a George Foreman Grill.

RD
November 9th, 2005, 11:11 pm
Ahahaa lol. Okay, I just concluded that from a bunch of images, its really hard to see, looks just round with only 2 flat sides, on the ends though...sorry then.


It's funny how Radical Dreamer is dissing the PS3. You'll need that thing to play FF you know?

Dissing, didnt rappers stop saying that in the 80's?

*ends the simpson joke*

Well, Its not like I compleatly hate it. Its just not my favorite out of the nex-gens. Im a game fan, theres from systems I like more then others, but I dont hate any.

pifish
November 10th, 2005, 05:27 am
Meh, PS3 is most probably gona have a FF7 remake, if it ever gets released >.<

Why the heck would they remake FF7? Pointless really.

Elite666
November 10th, 2005, 05:38 am
Not necessarily pointless, they could flesh out the backstory of a few of the characters, redo and add minigames and many other interesting things. However, if they do do it I don't hold out much hope. Square-Enix hasn't exactly been the pinnacle of quality since the merge.

RD
November 10th, 2005, 06:05 am
I actualy doubt Square will remake FFVII. And I hope they never will. I think the blocky graphics of the origianl game adds to the feel of the story. Now, I wouldnt mind a re-release for the PS2 where you can use the analog and the FMV's are all redone. That would be fine. But....Its just hard to explain how the graphics are a major part of the game to me X=

zippy
November 12th, 2005, 03:32 pm
PS3 all the way! what is gonna be the coolest is you can use your PSP as a remote for the PS3, turn it on and off. And while it is in Stand by mode you can do Mmory management on your PSP for the PS3

wow! :) that IS neat! ^^ too bad i dont have a PSP......:heh:

does anyone know when the PS3 comes out? because my playstation broke,and since the warranty isnt in effect anymore,i might just buy a new one,but i'm not gonna bother if PS3 comes out for xmas. :shifty:

Harv
November 12th, 2005, 04:44 pm
.

RD
November 16th, 2005, 08:22 pm
Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest is NOT 360 bound, with the accseption of FF XI

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000937068279/

Anime_Girl_Jenni
November 17th, 2005, 12:39 am
It's funny how Radical Dreamer is dissing the PS3. You'll need that thing to play FF you know?

Not true, Square/Enix is already working on a few FF titles as exclusives to Nintendo, Mainly a New Crystal Chronicals, and a revamped version of the Oriiginal FF3(Famicom) with all new graphics and game play for DS.

RD
November 17th, 2005, 07:35 am
XBOX 360 PORN

Cought your attention, huh? Well, it is 360 porn. The opening of the 360 box! With every detail listed, ever detailed images...:drool:

http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000710068346/

crackthesky
November 17th, 2005, 11:47 pm
i got me 360 controller! now i gotta wait til the 360 comes out...

RD
November 17th, 2005, 11:53 pm
Lol... Stupid Ebay...

Anywhom, all these places say the 360 is good, but you shouldnt buy right away. It has the same problem as the PSP, its a great multi media but theres almost no good games for it.

crackthesky
November 18th, 2005, 12:45 am
but i preordered it...

Noir7
November 18th, 2005, 03:30 pm
me waits for PS3. Xbox, although nice graphics, doesn't impress me in their line of games coming out in the near future.

pifish
November 18th, 2005, 09:51 pm
What about Oblivion?

Kozmo
November 18th, 2005, 11:23 pm
What about Oblivion?
Heh, can't wait for that, it got delayed though =/
I've pre-ordered mine in early September, can't wait for this. I'm most probably getting Perfect Dark Zero and Condemned on launch.

pifish
November 19th, 2005, 11:28 am
I don't care if Bethesda delays Oblivion for one or two extra months, in fact they could delay it for longer, as long as it's the best game to grace the Elder Scrolls Series.

Kozmo
November 19th, 2005, 03:59 pm
Of course. Unlike Halo 2 which they delayed because they wanted to "improve it", still ended up a dissapointment. But I know this game will not end up a dissapointment, it looks so amazing.
It's coming out in March in the US apparently, perhaps April in the UK. No matter though, I'll be playing other games on the 360 in the meantime.

pifish
November 20th, 2005, 10:23 am
April in the UK, what will that mean for us poor Australians?

mystery_editor
November 20th, 2005, 10:48 am
July the year after, most likely

Kozmo
November 20th, 2005, 01:41 pm
April in the UK, what will that mean for us poor Australians?
It's just a guess. But since it's coming out in the US in March 2006 (apparently), it usually takes a month or even more for the game to come out in the UK. I thought games that get released in the UK get released at the same time as the aussies.:heh:

Dark Bring
November 20th, 2005, 02:18 pm
XBOX 360 PORN

Cought your attention, huh? Well, it is 360 porn. The opening of the 360 box! With every detail listed, ever detailed images...:drool:

http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000710068346/OMG that is teh sexxors!11! XD!!!!!!

slowdive
November 21st, 2005, 07:48 am
OMG that is teh sexxors!11! XD!!!!!!
stfu, nOOOOOOb!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blombrink
November 23rd, 2005, 12:04 am
aahahah, easy boys.... easy boys.

RD
November 23rd, 2005, 06:25 am
I have no idea if they really ment it or if it was sarcasm ._.

cookie monster
November 23rd, 2005, 06:32 am
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RD
November 23rd, 2005, 06:40 am
No, thats just obsesive. They were trying to sound like n00bs and only use one word of 1337 or what-not..

pifish
November 23rd, 2005, 06:56 am
l337 speak you mean.

cookie monster
November 23rd, 2005, 04:15 pm
http://n00b.camzmac.com/

n00bish. i was speaking in extremely retarded mode

Kozmo
November 23rd, 2005, 05:05 pm
..........Anyway, the Xbox 360 is already out in the US, just 1 more week for the UK release, I can't wait to get mine.
I've heard that a few Xbox 360's have been getting errors on them, such as overheating and crashing. Let's hope mine will be a healthy one.

Phenix
November 23rd, 2005, 08:52 pm
What I found scary was that a US xbox 360 was sold on ebay yesterday for about $2000 thats sevral times the retail price. Why buy at a crazy price when you could wait and get it at retail?

Dark Bring
November 23rd, 2005, 09:08 pm
This is the age of Instant Gratification.

I guess it's one way of circumventing "Money cannot buy Time".

RD
November 23rd, 2005, 11:41 pm
After reading a bit Im taking it that many 360's are over heating and crashing. Yes, a home system crashing. Im not sure if thats ever happened before..

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Infographic-Xbox-360-C.article.jpg

And 1UP says that the N-REV is going to be a great buy.

pifish
November 24th, 2005, 06:31 am
http://n00b.camzmac.com/

n00bish. i was speaking in extremely retarded mode

Hey this thing is pretty funny.

And on the subject of the Xbox 360, Australians have to wait 'till March, oh well that'll give me some time to save some money.

Elite666
November 24th, 2005, 03:21 pm
That picture doesn't make much sense, after all, the boomerang controllers are on the PS3. I dunno, maybe half the points are supposed to be fictional and stupid but I don't see what purpose it would serve, it's not really satire or parody.

Gand
November 24th, 2005, 05:58 pm
I'll wait till the 360 is hacked... should only take a few weeks.

RD
November 24th, 2005, 08:56 pm
I, I didnt really understand the part about the boomarang controller either, if any one was like that it woulod be te PS3. But with closer inspection you see the 360's is more like a boomarand. Its curved and flat.

Kozmo
November 24th, 2005, 10:02 pm
I've heard from a lot of people that the Xbox360 controller is comfortable. The PS3 controller does indeed look like a boomerang, the first time I saw the PS3 controller, I had an image of a boomerang in my head straight away.

Has anyone seen the smash my xbox video yet? It's not that good.

Phenix
November 24th, 2005, 10:04 pm
I'll wait till the 360 is hacked... should only take a few weeks.
Proabably already is and they are shipping the mod chips out now.
Games usualy have cracks out within a few weeks of being out on the shelf

Kozmo
November 24th, 2005, 11:59 pm
MS said that they made the Xbox360 hack-proof but that just gives more motivation for the hackers to hack it. It will eventually get hacked.

RD
November 25th, 2005, 02:48 am
Hack proof as in a no-screw case and MS stickers on the chips? I thought MS had a bit of inteligence, but based on what they call hack-proof..

admirerofnone
November 25th, 2005, 04:53 am
I'd stick with playstation 3. Also didnt i hear that squareenix will be making their last FINAL FANTASY game as FFXII?
I don't know where you heard that... but that is pure BS.

SE will milk that Final Fantasy cow for all it is worth.

admirerofnone
November 25th, 2005, 05:00 am
This is the age of Instant Gratification.

I guess it's one way of circumventing "Money cannot buy Time".

But Time can get you Money can it not?
Still... paying over $1500.00 the retail price of something is being a little too impatient... no matter what "age" we are in....