I'm not sure if this should go to the Forum games section (since essential that's what it is), or here (as it also is meant to test/improve one's musicality) - but I ended up posting it here, so as to not isolate the less musically-inclined.

Anyways, here's a somewhat easier piece that the one I've posted before - there's a nice long warm-up section to introduce you to all (four) of the chords that'll be used for this piece (the first is C-minor) - but it gets progressively harder as I speed it up with more notes (though all enharmonic ones) and ragged rhythms. Though are only four chords used in this whole piece, I've mixed and matched the progression to keep you guessing a bit ;).

Since I'm only testing it out, the only rule is to try to get as many as you could - the next person could start off where you finished, or start from the beginning if you don't think they've got it all right :P. Hopefully, we can move on to some more popular pieces, such as those from games and anime, if there's enough interest.

I've recorded it mp3 so people can't cheat by peeking at the score :bleh:. Don't worry if you can't follow with on hearing - give it a few repeats to sink in, and slowly dissect the chords in your mind, piece by piece. Also, take note in how the chords interact with one another (ie, major to minor, major to major, same chord to different inversion, etc.), and see if you can't build up a sort of intuition for future reference ;). I hope you enjoy :).

Round 1 (http://www.snipamasta.co.uk/hosted/Spc1st/Misc/first1.mp3)

Hm.. okay, @_@

Cm, F, Gm, A

Err, what about for the rest of the piece :unsure:? I didn't actually mean just to list out what the chords are, but the order they are presented in the entire piece (ie, assuming that your's is right, it would be 1. Cm 2. F 3. Gm 4. A, 5. (chord) 6. (chord), etc... Or do you mean to have someone else do the rest of them?

Nope.. I thought it was only to point out the chords (you did say that there were 4 chords on the entire piece..) so I listed them :mellow:

Hmm, it seems like there's some confusion already. Which way do you think is probably easier to start with? Telling people to find progressions with (more or less) given chords, or just telling them to find an unlisted number of chords in a piece (though for a somewhat more relaxed and consistent one)?

2nd part

Cm F Cm F A

Heh, looks like the average life-span of a progressive attempt at a thread only lasts about a day or so here. Oh well x_x (RIP).

Depends on how good the thread actually is..

Fair enough, though personally I thought this thread would work pretty well in context of the main focus of the site (transcriptions). But then again, when pretty much all the other forum sections have more posts than the music ones (though the RP boards have less in posts, they certainly have more in content)... it probably was doomed from the start.

Indeed this section could use some activity.. and I do think this thread is good. Too bad we don't have many members who like to discuss the subject of this site.

I've seen the thread for the first time now, and I like the idea. Also, composers don't necessarily drop in daily. Give it some more time, I'd say.

My problem is that I don't download MP3s, because of a download limit.

I would prefer to do the entire progression, because that could have interesting results (e.g. C6 vs. a7).

Here's my full answer:

Cm F Gm A
Cm F Cm F A G Cm A Cm A F Cm

I've seen the thread for the first time now, and I like the idea. Also, composers don't necessarily drop in daily. Give it some more time, I'd say.

My problem is that I don't download MP3s, because of a download limit.

I would prefer to do the entire progression, because that could have interesting results (e.g. C6 vs. a7).

Download limit? Do you mean your ISP actually limits how much you can download, or simply that you have a slow connection? Anyways, I prefer to do it in audio since it better emulates the nuances that people'll face when transcribing (ie, hearing through the reverb and timbre of the instruments), and also it doesn't allow people to cheat as much :P. I'll try to keep all the mp3's under 500K if it helps, though even if that's too much, I'll reconsider the MIDI option.

About composers visiting this section - I think many composers at this site are may be turned off by most of the somewhat inane topics of discussion in this thread, and maybe decided to off it all-together. It'd certainly be nice to see some more of the regulars at the composition forum post here, though I don't know how they'd feel about that.

But ultimately, this thread is for anyone who's interested in music (yes, we'll even help you near-tone deaf kids get the hang of this, given enough effort :P). I hope no one feels "underqualified" to join in - the more, the merrier!

Or at least that's what would say, if this thread isn't still doomed to die :cry:.

EDIT:
Here's my full answer:

Cm F Gm A
Cm F Cm F A G Cm A Cm A F Cm

Oh, and I believe this is right!! *DING DING DING DING DING... :P* I'll let gedtag decide the next progression and we'll go from there, hopefully. So yeah, that's a little addenum to the rules - the person who gets the whole thing right proposes the next one :). If you need help recording it or hosting it, I can certainly provide help.

Download limit? Do you mean your ISP actually limits how much you can download, or simply that you have a slow connection?

Offtopic, hence small-print:

My financial situation isn't the best. The optimal solution I found is a 400 MB limit (upload + download), + paying extra for each 10 MB above that + the option of buying packages. It's not a problem to overstep once in a while, but I'm afraid, I would overstep the mark, so I try to restrain myself. I once started listening to MP3s (they sound better, and I'm curious as well), and overshot by about 50 MB; not too bad, really, but not something I can afford month after month.

The cheapest packages for limitless surfing are too expensive for me, sadly.


Anyways, I prefer to do it in audio since it better emulates the nuances that people'll face when transcribing (ie, hearing through the reverb and timbre of the instruments), and also it doesn't allow people to cheat as much :P. I'll try to keep all the mp3's under 500K if it helps, though even if that's too much, I'll reconsider the MIDI option.

A few 100 K should be okay. I hope you don't mind me doing a midi (if I ever get one right that is).

Personally, I don't care if people are cheating. Nothing's at stake, and they deprive themselves, not us.


About composers visiting this section - I think many composers at this site are may be turned off by most of the somewhat inane topics of discussion in this thread, and maybe decided to off it all-together. It'd certainly be nice to see some more of the regulars at the composition forum post here, though I don't know how they'd feel about that.

I must admit I only visit this sub-forum if the last entry (the one that shows up on the main page of the forum) sounds interesting. Or if I'm bored.

Offtopic, hence small-print:

My financial situation isn't the best. The optimal solution I found is a 400 MB limit (upload + download), + paying extra for each 10 MB above that + the option of buying packages. It's not a problem to overstep once in a while, but I'm afraid, I would overstep the mark, so I try to restrain myself. I once started listening to MP3s (they sound better, and I'm curious as well), and overshot by about 50 MB; not too bad, really, but not something I can afford month after month.

The cheapest packages for limitless surfing are too expensive for me, sadly.


Damn, that sucks. And I thought I was a poor guy for having to deal with dial-up all these years. You have my heart-felt symphathy :cry:.



A few 100 K should be okay. I hope you don't mind me doing a midi (if I ever get one right that is).

Personally, I don't care if people are cheating. Nothing's at stake, and they deprive themselves, not us.

Yeah, I'll try to get it as small as I can without it sounding too messy. Also, if you want, I can record the MIDI for you in whatever instrument and reverb setting you want, and host the mp3. I don't really care as much as about cheating as much as people hearing the sounds in a realistic way - MIDI often is too cold and clear, and no one is probably going to be transcribing from something like that.



I must admit I only visit this sub-forum if the last entry (the one that shows up on the main page of the forum) sounds interesting. Or if I'm bored.

Don't feel too guilty - essentially, that's the case for me too (ie, part of the reason I started this thread because I was kinda bored :P).

Anyways, here are the chords from gedtag - there's no MIDI option available since he actually recorded his guitar directly onto his computer, but I've crammed the whole thing down into about 300Kb in mp3pro format. To get the full quality of it, you need to download either the winamp plugin or the stand-alone mp3pro player at http://www.mp3pro.com. Else, it'll only play at 22khz (instead of 44khz).

Round 2 (http://www.snipamasta.co.uk/hosted/Spc1st/Misc/Chord%20Game%20-%20gedtag2.mp3)

Okay, an attempt at the first few bars; I suck at identifying keys, but I think this could be the progression (if transposed into the proper key).

Dm, Bb, C, Dm, Bb, A, C, Dm

Feel free to correct/complete. I'll go to bed now. :)

Yeah, you got the first part right. I'll transpose it for you

Am F G
Am F E G
Am

What about the rest?

Okay, I found the second part harder, so I might have gone wrong. Anyway, here's the entire piece:

Am F G
Am F E G
Am G,F Ab,G
Am Dm Bb G
Am

How far off am I?

Am F G
Am F E G
Am G F Ab G
x Dm x G
Am

x = wrong chord

Only 2 chords incorrect. You're getting pretty close!

Am F G
Am F E G
Am G F Ab G
C Dm D G
Am

Am F G
Am F E G
Am G F Ab G
C Dm D G
Am

Correct! This is exactly what I was looking for.

Of course it was. Now, is it my turn to make up a chord pattern?

ask spc1st because I don't know how he judges, however I think Dawnstorm did the most work

Let's just say, the one who gets it completely right gets a go. It's a simple rule that doesn't cause any discussions.

So, it's your turn, as far as I'm concerned, Noir7. :)

I'll be patient and learn to listen more closely, eventually.

Yeah, feel free to post your own chords, though as I said, if you want help recording it or compressing it, I'll certainly do so.

Alright, here's my chords. (Taken from one of my compositions, but still..) It starts in Bminor.

A cookie for the winner ~

Perhaps:

Bm(add2) F#(/C#-/A#) E(/G#) Em(/G) D(/F#) F#7sus4(/E)-F#m7(/E) Bm

You almost got it right ~ The D is wrong.

G instead of the D, I think.

For future reference, it's probably better to keep the chords a bit more simpler so that it's more accessable to everyone - try not to have suspensions or augmented/diminished triads - and keep everything more or less with diatonic triads (or at least until this thread starts picking up more than a few people - we don't want to scare them away so early in ;)).

I have only one thing to say about this 'chord recognition game'! B)

======) ''If I like how a chord sounds, do I need to know what it's called?"

Hehe, no, though it'd help you remember it better probably :P - and that'd certainly help a lot when you are trying to transcribe something ;).

For future reference, it's probably better to keep the chords a bit more simpler so that it's more accessable to everyone - try not to have suspensions or augmented/diminished triads - and keep everything more or less with diatonic triads (or at least until this thread starts picking up more than a few people - we don't want to scare them away so early in ;)).

Sorry about that.. although I didn't think those particular chords were hard to take out? :mellow:

Anyways.. Dawnstorm got it right. *wins cookie*

Yay, I won a cookie.

Expect my progression shortly.

And here it is:

Round 4 (http://www.snipamasta.co.uk/hosted/Spc1st/Misc/chords_dawnstorm.mp3)

Sorry for the poor quality, but at under 90 kbytes, it's not too bad, eh?

Sounds great, thanx. ^_^

Um.. if I have the chord progression done, am I allowed to post it again? :P

You can if you really want, I guess, though maybe wait a bit to see if any others who haven't tried this game yet would like to join in.

I see.. okay, I'll let this one slide (At least for a few days or so)

Ok Noir7, let's see your chords.

Um.. if I have the chord progression done, am I allowed to post it again?

Your freakin' fast. :heh:
If only I could play in this game but sadly I dont know shit about the names of chords :cry:
I know what your going through letehn ;)
But this thread could help me learn ..Nice Idea :)

here are my chords

Cm Cm/D# Gm/D F F/D# D D/C
Gm/A# Gm/D D# C/E F

Wow, that's detailed; and almost correct, too.

Cm X Gm (straight, not on D, but close enough) F F/D# D D/C Gm (straight again - although the bass note is an octave lower than the first Gm) Gm/D X C/E F

In both cases you're only one note off. :)

Cm D# Gm F F/D# D D/C
Gm Gm/D D# C/E F

I still think that's a D#.

The D# (2nd chord) is correct.

The 3rd-to-last, however, really isn't a D#. I've entered this via mouse onto note-paper (note-for-note), so I should know.

Cm D# Gm F F/D# D D/C
Gm Gm/D D# D#/A# C/E F

Sorry... (I'm beginning to doubt myself, but the midi supports both my memory and what I'm hearing... :unsure: )

So, am I right or what?

No, it's not D# at all.

But I heard you play D# and A# in that chord. You played the root and the 5th of the D# scale. What's missing is the 3rd. I played D#m chord and it sounds wrong. I played D# chord and it sounds more correct. Do you deny that D# and A# is part of the chord that you played?

Or is it D#(insert suffix here) ?

There's no A# in that chord. I just checked in the midi, and then listened to the mp3. And there are 3 notes. (It's no version of D# whatsoever, btw.)

Cm D# Gm F F/D# D D/C
Gm Gm/D Cm/D# C/E F

That's correct. :)

Finally! But I still think you played an A#.

I'm very curious what happened here (since I think you're a better listener than I am).

Go here (http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=3719&page=2) to find the midi that Spc1st based the mp3 off. (I intended to delete that, but was lazy). Personally, I don't hear the A# in the mp3, but that may be me hearing what I expect to hear.

I'm also curious what Noir7 had put down in that place.

Ok, here's my new chord progression for the game. I recorded myself playing the bass guitar. B)

It's here (http://home.comcast.net/~gedlar/Chord_Game_2.mp3).

This sounds like an aural test...<cries>

What does aural mean?

I really don't know if you think I'm joking.

from the mouth. think it can be spelt oral as well but not in the music term it's used as aural. like speaking or singing. In music exams, depending on the instrument you learn, you sometimes have to do aural tests where you sing or play melodies that the examiner plays to you. Don't think it's easy though because you often have to pick out the tune from multiple layers of tunes and backings and sing it back from memory. Also you have to sight sing and the point i'm going on about is naming the chords played to you in a sequence where you have to say what chord it is when played to you.

an-kun: actually... the word "aural" has the same root as "audio", "auditory", "audition", etc. It's to do with the ears.

I wonder if anyone finds it easier to pick out the individual notes in chords than to give the chord names? (I don't, at any rate...)

an-kun: actually... the word "aural" has the same root as "audio", "auditory", "audition", etc. It's to do with the ears.

I wonder if anyone finds it easier to pick out the individual notes in chords than to give the chord names? (I don't, at any rate...)

hey! yeah! you've just solved my confuzzledness! right you are. Can't believe I didn't think of that XD

I wonder if anyone finds it easier to pick out the individual notes in chords than to give the chord names? (I don't, at any rate...)
I figure out what the chord is by playing my guitar. Then after that, I know what the individual notes are in the chord.

Um if you know the chord name bic then you'll know what notes there are in it. I can do both ways but knowing the chord name is easier than looking at the individual notes.