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wangss
September 14th, 2005, 01:16 pm
can anyone here help me to rearrange this piece as a jazz piano one.
this is a chinese folksong i have alread arrange it as a small piano piece but i can't arrange it as a jass piano music for i know a little about jazz.
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tokoy
September 15th, 2005, 03:50 am
Usually jazz music deals with counter timing. So try to play with ti separately. Not an expert in jazz music here...
Zero
September 15th, 2005, 05:16 am
The thing is....
Jazz music isn't usually written note for note, rather just melody and chords, as jazz is largely improvised. It's a little difficult to come up with jazz arrangements with little experience -- you gotta learn the basic foundation, listen to jazz artists/songs and most importantly, really get a feel of it to arrange decent jazz sounds into any regular piece.
Now.. I /could/ do an arrangement for you.... though, improvisional feels vary so vastly, and that's what makes jazz (or anything improvised, for that matter) unique.
Here's the best thing you can do: listen. Listen to jazz artists (or any once-popular piece say.... fly me to the moon) Listen to how they start simple, but quickly embellish melodies with never-the-same harmonies, twisting into a full-fledged improvised piece with the original melody hardly intelligible, and finally bending back original melody with a mellow sound, finishing beautifully.
Just get a feel of what it's like and do what works best for you. It's really not that hard. ^_^
Sinbios
September 15th, 2005, 07:29 pm
It's... not easy to take another piece and rearrange it as jazz. For one, you need to change the notes to fit the blues scale, at which point it's probably unrecognizable as the original, anyway. You could certainly write a jazz melody from the basic form and rhythm of that song, though.
wangss
September 16th, 2005, 02:38 am
many thanks for all of you
i've learned a lot from what your say:
1 Usually jazz music deals with counter timing.
2 Jazz music isn't usually written note for note, rather just melody and chords, as jazz is largely improvised.
3 you gotta learn the basic foundation, listen to jazz artists/songs and most importantly, really get a feel of it to arrange decent jazz sounds into any regular piece.
4 you need to change the notes to fit the blues scale, at which point it's probably unrecognizable as the original, anyway.
btw: what is the meanning of the"ti" which from "So try to play with ti separately."(tokoy)
(sorry to say my english is not good :huh: , please reply me in simple english)
english)
wangss
September 17th, 2005, 01:22 pm
It's... not easy to take another piece and rearrange it as jazz. For one, you need to change the notes to fit the blues scale, at which point it's probably unrecognizable as the original, anyway. You could certainly write a jazz melody from the basic form and rhythm of that song, though.
could you give me some example with staff .
thank you very much !
Sinbios
September 18th, 2005, 03:43 am
could you give me some example with staff .
thank you very much !
In jazz speak, it's 1, flat 3, 4, flat 5, 5, flat 7, 8. Of course, there are many other scales you can use in jazz, but blues is the most basic. Staves/keys are ignored, since because jazz is mostly improv, the same scale pattern could be moved to any key or staff.
wangss
September 19th, 2005, 11:53 am
what about RAGTIME, i'll try to arrange that piece into ragtime one, i think it is also jazz music. is that right?
mystery_editor
September 19th, 2005, 12:07 pm
its a form of it, but to arrange it, you really need to know what style you want to do it in. easiest one i find to do is swing, but thats just me. there is also things like bebop, ragtime (as mentioned above), dixieland etc.
wangss
September 19th, 2005, 01:47 pm
thank you mystery_editor .
i think your are rignt . i'll first try to arrange it as a swing song with swing rhythm .
and what about the chords? how to chord it as jazz stlye .
Dawnstorm
September 19th, 2005, 09:49 pm
Edit: Wait a minute! The progression below is not for the song on top; it's for the one in the other thread. Sorry to cause confusion. I followed the link from the other thread in the composition forum, read the posts, but forgot to check the sheet. :sweat:
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I know very little about Jazz, but I think the following could work:
D6add9 G9 Bm7 Em G9 D6add9 G9 D6
Perhaps someone here who knows more about Jazz can improve on it?
Sinbios
September 19th, 2005, 11:55 pm
thank you mystery_editor .
i think your are rignt . i'll first try to arrange it as a swing song with swing rhythm .
and what about the chords? how to chord it as jazz stlye .
Depends on your scale. Your basic 3rd, 5th, etc chords work, but jazz can get very complicated with 9th chords, 13th chords and sus chords, etc. I recommend you just stick with the basic chords.
wangss
September 20th, 2005, 12:58 pm
Edit: Wait a minute! The progression below is not for the song on top; it's for the one in the other thread. Sorry to cause confusion. I followed the link from the other thread in the composition forum, read the posts, but forgot to check the sheet. :sweat:
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I know very little about Jazz, but I think the following could work:
D6add9 G9 Bm7 Em G9 D6add9 G9 D6
Perhaps someone here who knows more about Jazz can improve on it?
i've known your chords is for the song in other thread i posted . i'll try to play
those chords. thank you very much.
Alfonso de Sabio
October 19th, 2005, 03:28 am
Yeah, my friend did this project where she turned a Bach Violin/Oboe concerto into a jazz piece and all she did was mess with the chord progression and the swing factor. If you have Finale 2005 or higher, you can mess with the "Human Playback" feature to get it to have a heavy swing in the playback. A common method is to have two eighth notes equal a triplet equal in timing to a quarter note with a quarter and eighth note in the bracket.
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