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slowdive
September 16th, 2005, 09:09 am
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What do you think of Nintendo's new controller? I....really can't see playing a game with that, to me it looks like Nintendo is going too radical and trying too hard to create something new that people will enjoy. Though the possibilities seem endless for FPS, since the thing acts as a remote as well.

Intriguing stuff, I won't judge it until I get a chance to play it.

Your thoughts?

EDIT: Some insight-
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651224p1.html

mystery_editor
September 16th, 2005, 09:27 am
this makes me not want to buy a revolution unless they still support the use of gamecube controllers. which was something that was rumored to happen...

slowdive
September 16th, 2005, 09:38 am
Yeahh, the lack of buttons is offputting. But the possibilities, imagine being a medieval soldier swinging a sword around, using the remote.

Noir7
September 16th, 2005, 11:54 am
I'm sure all Nintendo fanboys are going to go wild about this, IT'S SO UNIQUE~ Personally I think it's just a desperate way of coming up with something new. I guess they didn't name it Revolution for nothing.

slowdive
September 16th, 2005, 12:00 pm
I'm sure all Nintendo fanboys are going to go wild about this, IT'S SO UNIQUE~ Personally I think it's just a desperate way of coming up with something new. I guess they didn't name it Revolution for nothing.
It is unique, really is no doubting that. Either you'll love it or hate it, but based on the controller, looks like it's going to be a very different console compared to XBOX360 and PS2.

I agree with you with the desperate to find something new. If this fails, I think Nintendo is fucked.

Noir7
September 16th, 2005, 12:03 pm
Nintendo has always been fucked in some way or another. A new controller will never change that. Also, I didn't deny it wasn't unique. Making a controller unique is worthless though compared to a controller that works, and feels comfortable in any player's hands.

Alone
September 16th, 2005, 12:04 pm
I'm sure all Nintendo fanboys are going to go wild about this, IT'S SO UNIQUE~ Personally I think it's just a desperate way of coming up with something new. I guess they didn't name it Revolution for nothing.

nobody is forcing you to buy it~

Noir7
September 16th, 2005, 12:09 pm
Indeed. Even if someone was forcing me, I still wouldn't buy one.

Alone
September 16th, 2005, 12:14 pm
right... PS3 is Sooooo much better - same controller for the 3rd generation running, not even mentioning portable PSP

Noir7
September 16th, 2005, 12:15 pm
Why change something that works?

Alone
September 16th, 2005, 12:23 pm
:o you'll be a great EA employee, you know? i think that's their motto for just about any game and its 2+ sequels... a bit more people like you in the industry, and we could have still been playing with d-pad and 4 buttons

mystery_editor
September 16th, 2005, 12:39 pm
a still like anolouge sticks, even though D-Pads will always be the true way to play a game. But... that remote idea wont entirely work. especially with button mashers. now that i want to see. the screen would go like freaken crazy and start convulsing XD

but nintendo will always be behind. its even beginning to get behind in the portable systems! and when that happens... look out for Nintendo, parent company sony!

Noir7
September 16th, 2005, 12:41 pm
You're totally twisting what I'm trying to say. There is no reason why PS3 wouldn't use the same design on their controller as their predecessors.

A new unique looking controller doesn't have to be a good controller.

Elite666
September 16th, 2005, 04:29 pm
Nintendo has always been fucked in some way or another. A new controller will never change that. Also, I didn't deny it wasn't unique. Making a controller unique is worthless though compared to a controller that works, and feels comfortable in any player's hands.

I'd really like to know how Nintendo has "always" been fucked. Last I checked they were far from fucked when they ressurected the dying game market in the mid-80's or when they destroyed the competition in the early 90's.

Making a unique controller that doesn't enhance a gameplay experience is worthless. However, if said controller gives you an alternate game experience that's highly enjoyable I think it's at least every bit as good as the tried and true methods. Look at the DDR pad for example. Nobody would really debate the fact that it's rather unorthodox or that it's a cumbersome input device for traditional gameplay types but it does create a compelling gameplay experience. But I'm sure that Nintendo will crash and burn. After all, it was Nintendo that brought us those newfangled crazy control methods like the D-Pad and the analogue stick.

@Mystery Editor.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Nintendo has been behind since time immemorial but you're rather wrong about them having always been behind and you're even more wrong about them losing in the handheld market. Yes, they are coming up against their most serious competitor in recent history... and they seem to be trouncing them. Of course the PSP is going to take some percentage of the market but right now it's negligible and the rate at which PSP's are being sold is declining.

Right off the bat Sony knew they wouldn't destroy the Gameboy Advance, it was too well entrenched in the market. That would be like someone coming along now and wanting to destroy the PS2, it would be completely illogical. However, Sony is failing at their real goal which is to stop people from buying the next Nintendo portable. The DS is worlds more successful than the PSP right now and people are still clamoring online for the release of the GBA's successor despite a total lack of information.

Myself, I'm not completely convinced that the Revolution controller will be all it's being touted as. It's obvious that it will be amazing for FPS's and very serviceable for several other genres but there are also places where it really just doesn't work. Also, Nintendo will be fighting an uphill battle to get proper developer support for the system. I'm at least willing to take an optimistic wait and see attitude though considering they pulled off the DS and it seemed even harder to imagine why a touchscreen and voice control was worthwhile.

RD
September 16th, 2005, 05:50 pm
I love that controler. Its so diffrent and cool!

@ Mystery Ed
They have never been behind. And how could you say they are getting behind in handhelds too? Because there arnt 3945610364 Polygons on the screen? Well Sony is way behind Nintendo in the handheld department, as in the handhelds sales XD

If Nintendo is so behind, why is the DS getting two Xenosaga games? and all the PSP has is Death JR.

I like the Revolutions controller. Its the most high tech one for the new gen consols so far. Do the others have a motion detectors so you can swich and swash it like a sword? No, and I think Nintendo is becomeing smart making a compleatly diffrent controller. You dont need to button smash for it, just swish and swash.

Elite666
September 16th, 2005, 06:30 pm
Perhaps something worth mentioning is that in an interview today with NOE it was stated that there will be a traditional style controller shell released that you plug the revolution controller into and it will then function like all the other console's controllers except it also retains the revolution's ability to sense movement. Therefore, there's really no reason to complain that you won't be able to play traditional games on it since there will be the tried, true (and somewhat tired) abstract input device released for it as well.

RD
September 16th, 2005, 06:35 pm
So you can still button smash and swish and swosh...XD

Well, thats really good to hear, but how will the controller look like? Will it be like the GCN controller? Quite possably if the Rev has the ability to play GCN games..I just forgot all the gaming terms I should have used XD

Well, I guess the N-REV has the ultamate controller. With the abilty to use a conventional remote like controller and an add on analog with motion sensors, and the ability to add on a traditional controller to it and still keep the ability to use motion sensors.

Also, who ever said that the N-REV will the the best system to play shooter games was 100% right. Point and shoot.

EDIT: You want to know how to make the remote controll a conventional controller? Turn it on its side. Then it will look like the old NES controller, with the D pad on the left and A/B on the right. I bet you were wondering why the other A/B buttons were placed so far down, and verticaly. Well I just ansewered your question.

Elite666
September 16th, 2005, 07:12 pm
I doubt that it will be a copy of the GCN controller considering there are four GCN controller ports included on the Revolution. I imagine it will be something a little closer to the Xbox360 or PS3 controller in order to make multi-platform gaming as painless as possible.

Pirate~King
September 16th, 2005, 07:28 pm
Are u allowed to use the old game cube controllers with the revolution?

RD
September 16th, 2005, 07:29 pm
Im actualy not sure about a traditional controller add-on now. Seeing how the exsisting controller has 2 add-ons already, and it can be turned land scaped like a traditionaly controller, I see no point to make one.

Do you have a link to the site where you got this information?

Signias
September 17th, 2005, 01:16 am
You are about to see what may be the fiercest wave of criticism toward a console we have ever seen.

This is going to be interesting

Elite666
September 17th, 2005, 02:49 am
Im actualy not sure about a traditional controller add-on now. Seeing how the exsisting controller has 2 add-ons already, and it can be turned land scaped like a traditionaly controller, I see no point to make one.

Do you have a link to the site where you got this information?

Why yes (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60917), I do.

In case you missed the subtle link, here is the more obvious version:

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60917

Also, you may want to be wary of the art IGN has posted of this controller "shell". It is only a mockup and not based on official information. Oh, and as for a point to making one, it's because the "traditional" style you say it has when flip it to be used horizontally is fine if you're playing NES games but remember that the revolution also has the library of SNES and N64 downloadable.

@Pirate King

There are ports to connect the old GCN controllers to the revolution but it is currently unknown if they have the ability to interface with anything other than GCN software.

Alone
September 17th, 2005, 09:21 am
hmm... i don't like it that they are going to release the "pointer cradle"! most games will probably be aimed at the cradle controller, which means bye bye fun-and-orignal pointer games :(

ZeroXH
September 17th, 2005, 01:10 pm
I read about this on TV...some news channel had in the moving text at the bottom of the screen. But, anyway, you can always count on Nintendo to be unique, and thats what makes their games so good. :)

Elite666
September 17th, 2005, 05:29 pm
hmm... i don't like it that they are going to release the "pointer cradle"! most games will probably be aimed at the cradle controller, which means bye bye fun-and-orignal pointer games :(

You're a little off base. The pointer cradle would be used to recharge the battery if they end up going with a rechargeable lithium battery like in the current Gameboys and DS. It would be amazingly stupid of Nintendo to create a controller with these capabilities and not have it be able to work pointing at the TV. That would be a step backwards in technology for them.

Noir7
September 17th, 2005, 06:30 pm
"What the hell are you doing?? Why did you change the channel?!"
"Damn! Isn't this the controller?"

I hope stuff like this will really happen xD I'd laugh at them in the same way I laugh about people sitting on a train doing baby-talk to their NintenDogs.

RD
September 17th, 2005, 06:55 pm
XD I dont play Nintendogs anymore, a giant wast of money.

You know, people just have a thing against Nintendo. If sony make a controller like this, I bet many would think its a great idea, its ace, its better then what Nintendo could do. But sense Nintendo did it, many of the people Im talking about think its a crap Idea.

Its all fanbois who make things seem bad :teeth:

HOT DAMN I FOUND THE PICTURE!
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

So its just an add-on to the remote, and it looks just like the GCN controller.

Alone
September 17th, 2005, 08:51 pm
see? thats what im talking about - doesn't look like a simply recharging cradle to me...

@Noir7: uhh... i think you should go somewhere and kill something. It'll suit you.

RD
September 17th, 2005, 09:59 pm
Lol. I ond think its a chargind cradle either. If you knew how the DS and GBA SP really charged, it was through a simple addaptor you plug into the wall :D

Dont forget that the point-n-play ability can still be used even if you are using the Controller AddOn.

slowdive
September 17th, 2005, 11:28 pm
Makes sense. It'll be interesting to try out.

RD
September 17th, 2005, 11:44 pm
Who wouldnt? It looks like the worlds easiest to use controller! Like the NEZ, there were only like 6 things to do (not including Start/Select) making game play simple and fun. Now theres like 11 buttons and 2 analogs! This controller makes games more simple.

I bet Sony and Microsoft are going to steal the idea and design, not like they havent done that to Nintendo before though >_>

Noir7
September 17th, 2005, 11:59 pm
@Noir7: uhh... i think you should go somewhere and kill something. It'll suit you.

XD lol indeed, fuck you.

slowdive
September 18th, 2005, 12:27 am
Who wouldnt? It looks like the worlds easiest to use controller! Like the NEZ, there were only like 6 things to do (not including Start/Select) making game play simple and fun. Now theres like 11 buttons and 2 analogs! This controller makes games more simple.

I bet Sony and Microsoft are going to steal the idea and design, not like they havent done that to Nintendo before though >_>
Steal their design? You fanboy.

Blombrink
September 18th, 2005, 01:20 am
Oh my lord, itīs so ugly, it looks like a f***ing baby tool. No wonder that Nintendo goes for the younger generation. And x-cuse me for my language, how the hell are you supposed to play Nintendo 8-bits, and Nintendo 64 games on the revolution?

This really upsets me!!

DaveX
September 18th, 2005, 01:26 am
Oh my lord, itīs so ugly, it looks like a f***ing baby tool. No wonder that Nintendo goes for the younger generation. And x-cuse me for my language, how the hell are you supposed to play Nintendo 8-bits, and Nintendo 64 games on the revolution?

This really upsets me!!

INDEED FFS OMG !!#4434

Elite666
September 18th, 2005, 02:41 am
Did any of you perhaps think to check the validity of that picture of the GCN controller shell that Radical_Dreamer posted? If you did, you'd realize that it is a Mock up of the possible design made by IGN. To those of you who don't understand such things, that means it's fake. An educated guess at best.

RD
September 18th, 2005, 03:06 am
Steal their design? You fanboy.

Well, lets see..

Nintendo makes the first controller ever---Other companies start to do so
Nintendo makes the analog stick--Other companies start to do so
Nintendo makes two lumps that fit into each hand--Other companies start to do so

Theres more ideas, but I dont feel the need to post them. All I have to say is, Nintendo makes it and its not cool, other companies make it later and its all of a sudden cool.

~~

So the controller case from IGN isnt real!?

slowdive
September 18th, 2005, 03:16 am
Well, lets see..

Nintendo makes the first controller ever---Other companies start to do so
Nintendo makes the analog stick--Other companies start to do so
Nintendo makes two lumps that fit into each hand--Other companies start to do so

Theres more ideas, but I dont feel the need to post them. All I have to say is, Nintendo makes it and its not cool, other companies make it later and its all of a sudden cool.

~~

So the controller case from IGN isnt real!?
I laugh at the first controller ever remark.
Analogue stick? Which console was that?
Two lumps? The hell are you talking about?


Nintendo has not yet released official imagery of what the controller shell might look like. However, we've created a mock-up (above) based on what we know of its functionality. The real controller shell is likely to connect to the free-hand-style pointer in a very similar fashion. Please note that we realize our model is not entirely to scale, but this is the best we could do on short notice.

RD
September 18th, 2005, 03:41 am
I laugh at the first controller ever remark.
Analogue stick? Which console was that?
Two lumps? The hell are you talking about?

First game controller ever. Its a duh!
N64
STUPID!

Heres a diagram for idiots :teeth:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/DreamsCreation/Thisisforidiots.jpg

slowdive
September 18th, 2005, 04:49 am
I'm pretty sure the Playstation came out with two lumps.

You're a douche bag.

Elite666
September 18th, 2005, 04:50 am
How, prey tell, did one play the original Atari if Nintendo created the first controller ever? It is true that most controllers before the days of the NES were badly realized joysticks with ambiguous number pads or some sort of similar idea but they weren't the first to actually come up with an interface.

Nintendo did create the D-Pad, utilized shoulder buttons first, made the first thumb controlled analogue stick (although it was actually digital), made the first force feedback system for a console (rumble pack) and made the first useful wireless controller. Their contributions to game interface have been substantial.

And yes, Radical Dreamer, the picture you posted is fake. IGN posted a disclaimer directly below the picture (quoted above by Clockwerk and alluded to long beforehand by myself).

Oh, and to Clockwerk, the original Playstation controller had no analog control. It was essentially an SNES pad with two extra shoulder buttons and handles that tried to be ergonomic.

slowdive
September 18th, 2005, 05:09 am
Oh, and to Clockwerk, the original Playstation controller had no analog control. It was essentially an SNES pad with two extra shoulder buttons and handles that tried to be ergonomic.
That I know. But it did have "two lumps", or whatever RD is crying about.
And, for the record, I find the Playstation controller a lot easier to use than the SNES one.

RD
September 18th, 2005, 05:46 am
But the N64 came out before the PSX, and it used the the two lumps first :teeth:

Elite666
September 18th, 2005, 06:59 am
Ah, I finally see what RD was getting at with the "lumps". I mis-interprated since it was a stupid point.

Yes, the PS controller did use the idea of ergonomic handles before the N64. I don't really think a minor ergonomic improvement is really that much of a change though. I still prefer the feel of the SNES controller above all other controllers to this day.

Oh, and Radical Dreamer, do start researching your posts or stop saying things you don't know please. The Playstation came out long before the N64 in both regions.

RD
September 18th, 2005, 07:28 am
It did O_O Crap...

Well, I perfer the GCN controllers over any other, the design is perfect. I just dont like the GCN...

Neko Koneko
September 18th, 2005, 07:45 am
Oh, and Radical Dreamer, do start researching your posts or stop saying things you don't know please.

Lol, he never does that, don't try to get him XD

N64 came out in... I think 1996, PS in 1993 if I'm not mistaken. That's just off the top of my head though, but yeah, PSX was there earlier. Unless you're talking about the PSX as in Sony's PS2/home multimedia device combination that nobody wants.

mystery_editor
September 18th, 2005, 09:42 am
i'm a playstation fanboy, and i don't even want the PSX!

Alone
September 18th, 2005, 11:46 am
The GC controller and the GCN mock up are exactly the same :mellow:


XD lol indeed, fuck you.

the same to you

Neko Koneko
September 18th, 2005, 12:13 pm
It did O_O Crap...

Well, I perfer the GCN controllers over any other, the design is perfect. I just dont like the GCN...

Actually the Playstation Dualshock 2 is probably the best controller ever.

mystery_editor
September 18th, 2005, 12:45 pm
i'd agree with that. they are comfortable, easy to use, not too bulky or too small, and aren't heavy. just nice to use

Blombrink
September 18th, 2005, 08:01 pm
Either way, the controll sux XD

Elite666
September 18th, 2005, 10:23 pm
Either way, the controll sux XD

What a keen and well supported observation you've made and, might I add, eloquently stated as well.

RD
September 18th, 2005, 10:28 pm
I have a question, why does it suck? Give me 10 good reasons thaat arnt all the same to back your statement up :D


Actually the Playstation Dualshock 2 is probably the best controller ever.

The PS2 controller is fine, but the handles are to big and rounded. The GCN controller is still rounded, but thiner, allowing te fingers to grasp it better. Ig you curl your fingers, you con see its sorta like a rectangle or even an oblonged triangle.

Liquid Feet
September 18th, 2005, 10:42 pm
Meh... Though I fully agree with Radical Dreamer, I guess that the controller is really just a preference. >_>

Personally, I am baffled at how radically different the controller is, but I refuse to give a full evaluation until I actually get my hand (or hands) on the controller and actually experience it. ^^;

Anime_Girl_Jenni
September 19th, 2005, 03:15 am
Here is the official design from nintendo.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=10579&filter=
It looks like a TV remote. but you can't judge a book by it's cover.

RD
September 19th, 2005, 05:17 am
We knew how it looked like for the past three pages, so that post was sorta random O_O

Just look at my siggy!

slowdive
September 19th, 2005, 09:36 am
What a keen and well supported observation you've made and, might I add, eloquently stated as well.
Hahaha, this guy's HILARIOUS. No sarcasm intended, honestly.

Can't wait for this thing to come out.

Meer
September 19th, 2005, 03:01 pm
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7813/revo7js.gif

PH34R.

Stinger
September 19th, 2005, 03:57 pm
lol :D

Noir7
September 19th, 2005, 09:23 pm
How retarded. If this is what home entertainment has come to, ugh, well...

Klonoa
September 19th, 2005, 10:15 pm
I cant see myself playing smash bros. with those.
I rather have the controller as one object instead of two.
I hope they allow an alternate controller.

RD
September 19th, 2005, 11:26 pm
How retarded. If this is what home entertainment has come to, ugh, well...

Well, Nintnedo is one of the god fathers of home entertainment. If you have so many good ideas, would you kindly give me your newst game system with the latest technology? I wouldt actualy perfer to leave things like that to the professionals., not someone I met on a almost compleatly unknown forum :)


I cant see myself playing smash bros. with those.
I rather have the controller as one object instead of two.
I hope they allow an alternate controller.

Nintendo said they are going to make an add-on in the shape of a GCN controller that hooks onto the remote. The IGN controller is a mock-up, but Nintnedo did say it had the right conspet and is very close to what they are making.

By the way people, I bet the swishing and swashing of the controller is optional for the games, like the button configs for a game You could probably set the game options to just "traditional" game play. And if you dont want two seperate controllers, there is the add-on shell, so stop complaining X=

Sinbios
September 19th, 2005, 11:50 pm
It looks like a skinnier SNES controller, held sideways :/

Dark Bring
September 19th, 2005, 11:50 pm
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7813/revo7js.gif

PH34R.

Nintendo's next generation console controller responsible for deaths
Reuteurs

The World - Japan was flabbergasted February 15th, when 19 year old Ikari Shinji, was brained to death by a German homestay student, Asuka Langley Sohryu, with a rod controller from Nintendo's Revolution home gaming console . . .



I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

RD
September 20th, 2005, 12:02 am
Impossable because the N-REV isnt out anywhere in the world ;)

Dark Bring
September 20th, 2005, 12:05 am
It's a scenario projected into the future. Thing's coming out 2006, so I picked a random date.

Elite666
September 20th, 2005, 02:04 am
Well, Nintnedo is one of the god fathers of home entertainment. If you have so many good ideas, would you kindly give me your newst game system with the latest technology? I wouldt actualy perfer to leave things like that to the professionals., not someone I met on a almost compleatly unknown forum :)



Nintendo said they are going to make an add-on in the shape of a GCN controller that hooks onto the remote. The IGN controller is a mock-up, but Nintnedo did say it had the right conspet and is very close to what they are making.

By the way people, I bet the swishing and swashing of the controller is optional for the games, like the button configs for a game You could probably set the game options to just "traditional" game play. And if you dont want two seperate controllers, there is the add-on shell, so stop complaining X=

I'll bet you're very wrong about the optional normal control modes. After all, the point of this thing is to change the way games are played. That isn't sayiing that there won't be some traditional style controls at points, but it would be counter-productive to limit themselves to the types of control only available to the analog stick style controllers.

Also, as I've tried to make abundantly clear but you enjoy treating your own inferences as facts, Nintendo of Europe said there will be a traditional style controller shell released, not just a copy of the Gamecube controller. I'm not saying it won't be similar to the Gamecube one and I wouldn't be disappointed if it was ergonomically similar, but the GCN controller doesn't have the same number of buttons as the other controllers on the market so it would seem to be a bad idea to just copy the GCN controller again and make it even harder to port a multi-platform title to the system. It's going to be hard enough to win over third party support as is.

Don't get me wrong, I love the GCN controller, the Wavebird is my favourite current generation controller, but if they're going to have an alternate controller shell in order to appeal to the most people it seems they should probably go the Sony way and create one that's pure lowest common denominator.

Oh, and do stop at least blatantly making things up. Nintendo hasn't responded at all to the IGN mock-up. IGN said that it was close to what they thought the controller would be, not Nintendo. The exact disclaimer can be found a couple of pages back in the thread.

Klonoa
September 20th, 2005, 02:16 am
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg
Oh I didnt know their was a cradle. I like the way it looks its a nice idea.
But is the cradle going to be part of the package or are you gonna have to buy it seperately.

Elite666
September 20th, 2005, 02:19 am
That isn't the way it looks in case you missed that tiny piece of information hidden in about five different posts in this thread. As for being packaged with the revolution, there's no official word on it. It would be intelligent, but Nintendo chooses to be stupid at very odd times.

RD
September 20th, 2005, 02:19 am
I tried to make it clear that it is a possability, but I guess I failed..Oh wait, I didnt

By the way people, I bet the swishing and swashing of the controller is optional for the games, like the button configs for a game You could probably set the game options to just "traditional" game play. And if you dont want two seperate controllers, there is the add-on shell, so stop complaining

~~~

I would hope Nintendo packages the craddle with the N-REV, along with the analog. Actauly, I hoped Nintendo packaged a lot of things with their systems, but didnt. One thing is a for sure for the NDS, a damn screen protector. A good one too! Nintendo only makes crap screen protectors T_T

Klonoa
September 20th, 2005, 02:20 am
Well how does it look I thought it was the analog and the remote?

EDIT- okay I heard that, but I wasnt sure with what you said and I didnt know it was gonna look like that.

RD
September 20th, 2005, 02:26 am
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651275/hands-on-the-revolution-controller-20050915054930644-000.jpg

I think thats what you were asking for..

~~

Also, for the people who think that Nintendos wacky ideas will get them broke, think about how much they made last year. It was $11 billion USD! And all that was out was the GBA/SP, bearly any DS and a GCN! And now the DS has been out and is very popular (Nintendogs sold 1.5 million coppies world wide now) they could even pull in $20 billion. So ha. HA!

Elite666
September 20th, 2005, 02:46 am
No, you were completely clear in what you said RD, I'm just saying that an optional traditional control scheme in revolution games that use the newer control type would be stupid because it limits what the developers could do and would take extra time to create a game. My making up facts comment was in reference to you saying that Nintendo had commented on the IGN mock-up. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough by putting a paragraph of text after my comment explaining it.

$20 billion = highly unlikely. Especially considering the whole game industry's revenue was $25.4 billion in 2004 (source (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/29/news_6128342.html)) . Therefore I'm guessing Nintendo didn't get $11 billion in revenue let alone in profit. However, if you post a source I would be happy to amend my opinion.

@Klonoa, yes Nintendo said that the analog stick attachment dealie and the remote control controller both come packaged, nothing is stated as of yet about the traditional shell.

Alone
September 20th, 2005, 05:06 am
\I would hope Nintendo packages the craddle with the N-REV, along with the analog. Actauly, I hoped Nintendo packaged a lot of things with their systems, but didnt. One thing is a for sure for the NDS, a damn screen protector. A good one too! Nintendo only makes crap screen protectors T_T

Nintendo urged DS owners not to use a screen protector, most likely because it would have affected the stylis response-time. Anyways, most of the times it's closed

RD
September 20th, 2005, 06:06 am
$20 billion = highly unlikely. Especially considering the whole game industry's revenue was $25.4 billion in 2004 (source (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/29/news_6128342.html)) . Therefore I'm guessing Nintendo didn't get $11 billion in revenue let alone in profit. However, if you post a source I would be happy to amend my opinion.


I've been called a Nintendo fanboy for years. Hell, I'll confess that I actually worked for them for a year writing for Nintendo Power. But I really think this has enormous potential. Does it make Nintendo wildly different from the rest of the video game world, the one that pulled in $11 billion last year? Yes. But if this brings in new people, Nintendo could be part of the video game world that pulls in $20 billion.

SOURCE = HERE (http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651317p1.html)


Nintendo urged DS owners not to use a screen protector, most likely because it would have affected the stylis response-time. Anyways, most of the times it's closed

If there is any lag in the response time because of the screen protectors, it so little you will never notice. I would now, I use a screen protector.

Elite666
September 20th, 2005, 06:11 am
Radical Dreamer, he refers to the video game market as a whole as bringing in that much money, not Nintendo. Try reading over it again and actually figuring out the syntax this time.

I really don't want to sound like an asshole but I'm growing tired of all this. I'd be hard pressed to point out one of your posts that actually says something without containing an egregious error or untruth.

RD
September 20th, 2005, 06:20 am
(~* *)~ Sorry. Thats just me, alot of things I say are very vauge and sound made up, but truly I am saying what I really read! I (1) cant read, (2) Cant comprahend english, (3) Re-phrase things in my word to much or (4) Just need to shut up.

I think its all of the above :(

Once again (~* *)~Sorry! Im just an idiot..

*waits for Angelic to back me up on how im an idiot*

plodofdoom
September 20th, 2005, 07:40 am
You should just more research before posting something. I often post what I think is right and sometimes am wrong, it happens. You post too much things you think are true as if they are a fact that is true. Use "I think" and "In my opinion" more often so people will understand you're talking about what you think and they won't think you talk about something that's a fact and wrong.

1) I think Nintendo made about 11 million dollars last year.
2) Nintendo made 11 million dollars last year.

See the difference? First one leaves room for error, it's what you think, not something you actually looked up but you heard it once and it stuck in your head, so you think it's true even though you're not sure. The second one just says that Nintendo made 11 million.

I'm probably not very clear at all but hey, I just woke up.

ThePianist
September 20th, 2005, 06:39 pm
Looks interseting...... :\ but couldnt some games like beat em ups get a bit confusing with a controller like that :unsure:

RD
September 20th, 2005, 10:58 pm
You should just more research before posting something. I often post what I think is right and sometimes am wrong, it happens. You post too much things you think are true as if they are a fact that is true. Use "I think" and "In my opinion" more often so people will understand you're talking about what you think and they won't think you talk about something that's a fact and wrong.

1) I think Nintendo made about 11 million dollars last year.
2) Nintendo made 11 million dollars last year.

See the difference? First one leaves room for error, it's what you think, not something you actually looked up but you heard it once and it stuck in your head, so you think it's true even though you're not sure. The second one just says that Nintendo made 11 million.

I'm probably not very clear at all but hey, I just woke up.

Your clear as a bell, and I see my problem. I will do my best and correct my doings from now on..Sorry

Marlon
September 20th, 2005, 10:59 pm
Looks pretty confusing, but I like it! ^_^

Sukate
September 22nd, 2005, 02:12 am
I strongly dislike it,....or what is a better word for it....It Sucks ass! and to prove my piont we should find the one who desind it as staple their lips to their but it show that he sucks ass!

PFT_Shadow
September 22nd, 2005, 06:49 am
why WHY? what n gods earth possesed them to do this?
i'm happy to say that im a great nintendo fan but theyve sorta crossed the line with this. its not a games controler, its a glorified tv remote with an extra controler for you hospital bed

Neko Koneko
September 22nd, 2005, 07:34 am
You guys are narrow minded idiots. You've seen an image and you instantly go like OMG IT SUXZ0RZ and OMG NINTENDO CROSSED TEH LINE!~!~~!~!

You've never even held the damn thing in your hands, you never tried to use it. You never gave the whole concept a change. Very narrow minded I must say.

PFT_Shadow
September 22nd, 2005, 10:07 am
i guess your right, but i dnt know. I dissagreed when people put up a fuss about the cube controller, i rather like that. It just reminds me of a remote controll and one of those fishing controllers

Alone
September 22nd, 2005, 10:10 am
well, at least the people who have played with it are rather optimistic, and, until we get a chance ourselves to try it out - we should pay attention to them (editors at egm, ign, gamestop,etc.).

Personally, i don't give a damn about how the controller looks like - all i need is for it to be fun, and for developers to back it up

mystery_editor
September 22nd, 2005, 11:07 am
as long as the design works, it'll all be great

PFT_Shadow
September 22nd, 2005, 12:55 pm
ok, ill hold judgement till ive held and used the thing

Zach
September 22nd, 2005, 06:33 pm
I'm intrigued as to how its going to work. I'm also quite curious over how game ports (I think thats the right term, games made for all major consoles) are going to work on this console.

Edit: Nevermind. Maybe I should read threads before I reply in them.

Blombrink
September 24th, 2005, 03:29 pm
Nintendos Joysticks always make my thumps hurt. They are so hard and hurts :tears:

Elite666
September 24th, 2005, 05:38 pm
Nintendos Joysticks always make my thumps hurt. They are so hard and hurts :tears:

I'm just wondering if you've ever played the Gamecube controller. Yes, the N64 analog stick was rather hard plastic but the Gamecube one was quite soft. Definitely on par with the rest of the sticks this generation. Besides, if this whole 3d mouse thing catches on I don't think the analog stick is going to be that big a concern to you.

Noir7
September 24th, 2005, 09:20 pm
Ah XD I remember getting blisters from the damn 64 controller when playing Mario Party. Cast away, anyone?

Alone
September 25th, 2005, 12:28 pm
I always wondered why Sony gave the D-pad the best spot on the DualShock...

I mean racing, action, etc. almost all genres, when played with an analog, get a better response than from a D-pad

DaveX
September 25th, 2005, 12:55 pm
Ah XD I remember getting blisters from the damn 64 controller when playing Mario Party. Cast away, anyone?

yes... :P

on topic, I've never tried the controller('s... lol), but it doesn't seem comfortable for me XD

Dark Bring
September 25th, 2005, 01:04 pm
Can't wait to try it.

Egmont
September 26th, 2005, 03:56 am
The exaggerated movments in that video are completely unecessary (read IGN's impressions, they say a flick o' the wrist is enough), so I wouldn't worry about poking out anyone's eye or tiring out our arms. They also said it's surprisingly comfortable (though I think that the final design will be a bit nicer, like how the DS looked at E3 before they revamped it) and exceedingly intuitive. With the inclusion of the add-ons (like the analogue controller) and the 'shell,' I don't think the lack of buttons will be a factor (and a good developer should be able to figure out a way that works). Not all games will have to be built around arm movement either; think of the DS, how some games use the buttons for primary imput (Castlevania, Mario Kart) and touchscreen for secondary imput. With the shell that's a definite possibillity for ports or what have you. The shell also will have sufficient buttons for N64 and SNES games, so no worries about that.
I'm still excited about the wand itself though. The sheer possibilities which soared through my mind when I first saw the device were pretty impressive, and I'm not a famous game developer like Miyamoto or Kojima. Imagine what the development community will come up with.
That, plus free online play, plus downloadable games, plus the low price...
I'm psyched.

RD
September 26th, 2005, 04:35 am
Well, some people get into the games. I remember when I was like 4 and I would hit my brother with my elbow when playing the NES. And all that was needed on that was thumb movement.

I hope who ever gets the Revolution has insurance >_>

Egmont
September 26th, 2005, 04:52 am
That's exactly it, though. With this new imput device, those who "get into games" (people who move the controller frantically as a reaction to what happens on screen) will be able to actually control what happens onscreen by squirming around. Like if you're trying to dodge something coming right at you, and you jerk the controller to the side, it could potentially dodge that object. Sure, it could possibly be dangerous, but it'll definately be hella fun, as long as you're not afraid to break out of the zombie-staring-at-tv-screen-idly-moving-thumbs mindset.

slowdive
September 26th, 2005, 06:13 am
That's exactly it, though. With this new imput device, those who "get into games" (people who move the controller frantically as a reaction to what happens on screen) will be able to actually control what happens onscreen by squirming around. Like if you're trying to dodge something coming right at you, and you jerk the controller to the side, it could potentially dodge that object. Sure, it could possibly be dangerous, but it'll definately be hella fun, as long as you're not afraid to break out of the zombie-staring-at-tv-screen-idly-moving-thumbs mindset.
Then again, you've got those idiots saying "I don't want to be flinging my body around for videogames, I'm too cool for that shit".

Egmont
September 26th, 2005, 06:19 am
Which is why this is such a hit-or-miss situation. Some will absolutely love the concept, others will dispise it completely and utterly (unless it becomes the standard..)
But, again, from what I've read, it's very sensitive, so one wouldn't HAVE to swing their appendages wildly to control the game.

slowdive
September 26th, 2005, 06:30 am
Which is why this is such a hit-or-miss situation. Some will absolutely love the concept, others will dispise it completely and utterly (unless it becomes the standard..)
But, again, from what I've read, it's very sensitive, so one wouldn't HAVE to swing their appendages wildly to control the game.
Well, at least the Japanese are going to like it.

Egmont
September 26th, 2005, 06:56 am
With any luck, it'll have the same success the DS is enjoying in Japan AND America. They're both the offspring of the same philosophy. All it needs is an easily accessable "killer app" that will push it into complete mainstream.

Blombrink
September 26th, 2005, 07:24 am
I'm just wondering if you've ever played the Gamecube controller. Yes, the N64 analog stick was rather hard plastic but the Gamecube one was quite soft. Definitely on par with the rest of the sticks this generation. Besides, if this whole 3d mouse thing catches on I don't think the analog stick is going to be that big a concern to you.

LOL, it was the Game Cubes controller I was talking about v_v

Lyric_Hart
October 1st, 2005, 01:45 am
Well, it was destined to happen since this thread began... bunch of fans ranting about how their favorite console is better than the others. If you want to attach you ego to something, pick a sports team.
Now that thats out of the way, I feel a few things should be pointed out. The playstation controller was not stolen from nintendo per se. Nintendo and Sony were working together on a disc-based console project late in the NES days to combat the SEGA CD, Basically, they were making a disc drive for super famicom (or NES in America). But, Nintendo dropped the project to release N64. Not ones to waste a project, Sony added a bit to the drive, put some more buttons on the controller (NOT sticks, that happened a little later) and Playstation was born. The controller is not really a NES knockoff - it IS an NES controller, just with modifications.

And as for revolution, I have my doubts too, but what's a more natural way to, say, pick up a drinking glass: Use a control stick to move your hand over it and a button to grab it, or to just physically reach out and grab it?
(note for idiots: it's the second one)

Blombrink
October 2nd, 2005, 01:08 am
We know that alot of Players have Anger Management problem when it comes to vidoegames. The revolution Controller has only One (1) cable that holds the two parts together. What will happen to the controll when a Player gets mad :shifty:

Egmont
October 2nd, 2005, 01:33 am
They'll throw it across the room; the Revolution will interpret it as the player firing an arrow from a bow; the arrow will fly into the boss which was frustrating the player, and defeat him.
That or he'll just break the controller.

Elite666
October 2nd, 2005, 01:38 am
We know that alot of Players have Anger Management problem when it comes to vidoegames. The revolution Controller has only One (1) cable that holds the two parts together. What will happen to the controll when a Player gets mad :shifty:

Perhaps they'll make it as indestructible as the gameboy line of products is and it won't matter. If you throw your controller hard enough to break it you're an idiot anyway and you'll learn quickly enough to control yourself or Nintendo will make a hell of a lot of profit off you.

Itachi
October 2nd, 2005, 03:58 am
Ahem, just watch the video and let me know when your jaws are back up!

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html

Blombrink
October 2nd, 2005, 02:15 pm
Ahem, just watch the video and let me know when your jaws are back up!

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html
OMFG.....they girls are SO Pretty on this video :cry:
wooot!!!!it was about the revolution control <_< I didnīt notice :heh:

mystery_editor
October 2nd, 2005, 02:28 pm
you... didn't notice...

it makes a good point... on top of that, its coming out before the PS3, so i may get it if i have cash