I was just wondering if more people would choose Beethoven or Chopin. Personally I think they're both great composers. Please leave comments.

Thanks! :bigsmile:

Chopin. I actually like his style of music more =]

Chopin
because of his creativity and he evolved music to another level

Chopin. The best classical piano music ever. especially the waltzes and etudes....and some ballades, cuz i didnt hear all the ballades yet :p

Chopin, because Im sick of Beethoven and people who think hes great and yet dont know anything about music.

I just watched a recoreded cancert of Lang Lang playing one of Chopins songs, it was great :D

Chopin. The best classical piano music ever. especially the waltzes and etudes....and some ballades, cuz i didnt hear all the ballades yet :p
I believe he was a Romantic pianist? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Chopin, because Im sick of Beethoven and people who think hes great and yet dont know anything about music.

I just watched a recoreded cancert of Lang Lang playing one of Chopins songs, it was great
Why the hell would you judge a composer by his/her fans? It's not Beethoven's fault he gets the acclaim that he does. And I'm sure your musical tastes and knowledge are far more superior to those who do like Beethoven.

I find it hard to compare these two. Beethoven did more Symhonies than piano pieces, didn't he? As far as the piano is concerned, I prefer Beethoven though.

Chopin- not because i have anything against Beethoven; they're both great composers. It's just purely and simply because Chopin's more my thing.

I'd say Beethoven because the only song I sorta liked of Chopin was "Fantasie Impromptu." :heh:

I recommend all of you to listen to Chopin's Op.25 No.12 "Ocean" Etude. It has such a power over me, lol.

I love Chopin's Ballades! Specially the No.1. But so hard to play!!! @_@ Here's the sheet music if anybody wanna see ^_^

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=609

And thanks for replying everyone! :) (im a new member)

Chopin over here! :)

Ah, what the heck! Chopin owns! :lol:

...i dunno...i'd pick mozart over ANYONE, but since he's not an option i'd say...chopin. His music's not really my type, but i think he's more creative and his music flows more. Beethoven more...crazy crazy deaf man, but also has nice music. Beethoven's music is too easy however, so i would choose chopin.

Poor Beethoven, I enjoy playing his songs more than Chopin. The difficulty of a piece shouldn't be an indicator of good music. Some of Beethoven's pieces are "easy" to play, but whether of not one can master the emotional side of it is another challenge ;) Take Moonlight Sonata for example.

I like listening to Mozart too, which reminds me, my cello teacher used to hate Mozart--he said his music sounds like carriage music *clop clop clop* lol. I guess he felt jipped because most of the Mozart pieces we played had very very boring cello parts.

Funny, Beethoven is usually more popular, but here he's dominated by Chopin :heh: well anyways, Chopin for me. I play the piano, and he's known as the poet of the piano, so yeah . .

[QUOTE=clockwerk]I believe he was a Romantic pianist? Correct me if I'm wrong.[QUOTE]

i learned that chopin was impressionist music, and his stuff led to romantic.

I learned that he was a romantic composer....Meh, my teachers are allways wrong.

Chopin was Romantic. Impressionism never came before Chopin.

I find it hard to compare these two. Beethoven did more Symhonies than piano pieces, didn't he?

Nine completed symphonies (he was working on a tenth when he died) vs. five canonical piano concerti (plus one early work-without-Opus dated 1784) and his various sonatas and other pieces. By contrast, Chopin can count only two concerti. All of his other works were for solo piano.

Personally, I prefer Beethoven. *FAR* more variety...

okay Beethoven dominate Chopin in symphonic pieces, but since Chopin focus most of his energies on the development of piano pieces, of course he is more successful at composing sophisticated pieces than Beethoven.

Another reason i chosed Chopin is because of his sophistication in the pieces. Some of his pieces, in my opinion, doesn't sound like it's going anywhere in the first couple bars, but someone if you keep playing, it sounds...RIGHT lol. So for those who wants to play Chopin pieces. My advice: KEEP GOING even if you think you played a wrong note and it sounded wrong.


EDIT: oh someone got ahead of me XD

Beethoven wrote the most psychologically sophisticated music ever. Nothing Chopin did can possibly compare to the might of Beethoven's last symphony. I have never heard anything that came close. The absolute horror of the first movement, the conflict of the second, the placidity of the third, and the fourth-- oh my the fourth. It's simply unparalleled.

As far as piano music goes I think Beethoven was every bit as good as Chopin. Listen to the last movement of the Emperor Concerto, or even Moonlight Sonata or Pathetique. He totally owns Chopin.

I did a little research on Chopin and i found out that he has... :think: *gets a calculator* 215 piano solo pieces!!! @_@ That's a lot! If you don't believe me, check out the page.

http://www.classiccat.net/chopin_f/biography.htm

-Wow! my thread has 2 pages! Thanks for replying everyone ^_^

What was the name of the Beethoven symphony called "Thunderstorm"? Was it the first mvt of his last symphony?

"Thunderstorm" is part of Beethoven's 6th Symphony "Pastorale" (in F major, etc etc). It's the 4th movement (out of 5).
Chopin wrote exclusively for piano... every single peice he wrote involves a piano somehow. Beethoven wrote around 30 Piano Sonatas (including Pathetique, Moonlight, Tempest, etc), 5 concerti, a "Triple Concerto" (for violin, piano, cello, and orchestra), and probably some other things. I'm positive Chopin himself would have conceeded to Beethoven, because most composers would (and should :P ). Chopin has a larger volume of difficult works for solo piano, yes, so he generally has a better opinion from pianists and those concentrating on solo performances (of the piano).
However, in the context of all other forms of music (string quartets, piano trios, violin and cello sonatas, and especially Symphonies) Beethoven of course is "better." Chopin is regarded highly for his piano works (because there are none others), but that isn't to say that Beethoven is "worse" than him, just different.
Overall, I definately prefer Beethoven because I don't solely listen to/play piano peices, though pianists owe it to Chopin for expanding the piano repitoire substantially.

^ True dat.

Although I prefer Chopin, he did regard Beethoven as the master :heh:

Most composers who came after Beethoven have. Many people (including myself) credit Beethoven for starting the "Romantic movement" in music, starting around the time he composed his third symphony (Eroica), which was radically different than anything composed up to that point, because it dealt with politics and feelings (on Napoleon) rather than sheer entertainment. I read that Chopin regarded Romanticism with <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopin#Chopin_and_Romanticism>distaste</a>, though his music does sound pretty damn 'romantic.' I suppose that they are classical in structure, at least.

I've always preferred Chopin. It could be because my first teacher was a rabid Chopin fan... or because I like to suffer with 3-6 flats in my songs. ^^;; His music is just great... I love the power of Polanaise amongst numerous other pieces... I think it's my goal in life to play Fantasie Impromptu flawlessly some day. That song could drive people into suicide. ^^;

Chopin. I like his style.

Of those two, Beethoven. I like them both though. My favorite composer/pianist is Franz Liszt. The guy's music inspires me quite a bit. I constantly am trying to analyze it. It's quite fun. :p

Beethoven ....

Chopin by far for me

Yes, go Chopin fans.

Beethoven =] why? Because my piano says so. =] *hehe*

Your piano says so... O.o

Here's $40. For the psychiatrist.

lmao! it was a joke but thanks for the 40 bucks! Now I have so I can buy me some clothes =] *poor kid* thank you so much. God bless.

Yes... I got that it was a joke. The psychiatrist was meant to be a joke, too...

Your welcome, nonetheless.

Chopin's my favourite composer... Beethoven's too classical (he's late classical, early romantic) for me. Classical always sound too sweet...

well I know the whole thing was a joke man lmao wow.

:mellow: I.. think we all knew that.

To the topic.. is it just be who loves Beethoven's name? It's so St. Bernard!

Poor Beethoven, I enjoy playing his songs more than Chopin. The difficulty of a piece shouldn't be an indicator of good music. Some of Beethoven's pieces are "easy" to play, but whether of not one can master the emotional side of it is another challenge ;) Take Moonlight Sonata for example.

I like listening to Mozart too, which reminds me, my cello teacher used to hate Mozart--he said his music sounds like carriage music *clop clop clop* lol. I guess he felt jipped because most of the Mozart pieces we played had very very boring cello parts.

that's why i play his music w/ the violin instead of my cello ;)

@Bluegoo: Chopin didn't compose "hard" music just for the heck of it. Take his chromatic passages in the Winterwind Etude for example, they tend to piss people off, but they are there for a reason.

Chopin composed hard songs because he himself was a damn fine pianist. They're nice to show off with, especially if you can combine the technique with the emotional aspect that many of his songs require. That's not to say Beethoven is easy, of course; he's not. But as far as piano peices go, Chopin is generally "technically" more difficult.

Just remember, there have to be "easy" songs too, or else beginners would have nothing interesting to do... ;)

rachmanninoff....

oops... kk I'd choose beethoven... cause the pioneers could not be contrascended with the masters...

In other words... Chopin would bash you to death for saying that you don't comprehend his one and only idol... lol

you just can't beat Chopin...though I think Beethoven is a more emotional composer.

P

Well, IMO Chopin did better piano pieces overall (although Beethoven's Moonlight, Pathetique, and Appasionata sonatas) are great....

If one doesn't believe Chopin is technically difficult, one can try playing the Etudes and Scherzos.....(I've spent 9 months on a Scherzo and I still haven't mastered it yet, in contrast I've done Pathetique 1st mvmt and the last movement to the first sonata in that same time)

Yes, I have been preparing Ballad #3 for almost a year now, and it is still not completely perfect.

Difficulty doesn't make a composer necessarily great. Henryk Wieniawski wrote some really really hard peices, but he's not as famous as Chopin or Beethoven.

Difficulty, true. But it also sounds good.

Chopin, just prefer his music, and it is NOT because i'm polish :P

Beethoven is excellent, but so is Chopin. (what's aggravating is there is nobody around here or any of my friends to talk about this stuff, they've only ever heard of Beethoven, that's it). Consider this, Beethoven's works are "easy" but as probably MANY of you know, he went deaf towards his later works, correct? My piano teacher said that he was completely deaf by the time he composed his Nineth Symphony. Also, he created pieces for orchestras and multiple instruments. Chopin made them for piano. Chopin was a great pianist, but I'd have to say I like Beethoven better. (however, Mozart and Bach are great, too.)

I prefer Chopin because of his name!:P No, I just haven't learned a lot of music history yet, and I haven't played any peices by Chopin yet...

I haven't played any peices by Chopin yet...

Try Fantasie Impromptu. It's a nice song; plus, it's not that hard.

Try Fantasie Impromptu. It's a nice song; plus, it's not that hard.



:frusty: :lol: :lol2:

Your kidding, right?

It isn't hard....

Yes, it might sound hard, but it's not. Just scales with trills.

Poor Marlon...he's in the path of Hurricane Wilma, Category 3!

I thought Hurricane Wilma is over?...

I haven't played any peices by Chopin yet...


Try Fantasie Impromptu. It's a nice song; plus, it's not that hard.

That's way too big of a jump at any level. (period)

Try Fantasie Impromptu. It's a nice song; plus, it's not that hard.

What do you mean not hard? :blink: Im starting that piece and the triplets combined with the normal notes is overwhelming! @_@ But the middle part though has a nice melody ^_^

Maybe he was being sarcastic.

Probably. But i cant hear the accent. lol.

if it is a sarcasm..that's a bad one

Well, if you spend time just listening to both of them, they have almost the same exact style. I know it's hard to prove, but Beethoven and Chopin wrote many "dark" or "minor key" compositions. Just pay attention to them.. for about 7 months:heh: .. and you can see a big similarity. I can see liking Chopin more to me, very elaberate, but Beethovens big victorious symphonies, and ending to some sonatas, can overcome Chopin.

So my conclution.

Beethoven

&

Chopin
XD

thats why i like them. when the piece is fast or slow and in minor key, but i like some pieces of chopin that is romantic like his waltz.

I think Chopin's best piano piece, that'd be beautiful, would be.

Sonata No. 3 - B Minor - Movement 3 - Largo

This.. and,

Etude in E Major

These, so far, are very nice.

What do you mean, they have almost the exact same style? Chopin is way more "romantic" than Beethoven was; his Polish melodies/rhythms/songs, his chromatism, and light harmonies. Beethoven's style is more of developing a melody by modulation, variations, etc., to an exceedingly dramatic effect.

No doubt, both of their works have extreme depth and amazing power, but they're styles are not what I would call "almost the same."

I didnt mean all of the piece. Just some like Chopin's Etude no.4 op.12 and Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 3rd mov. And based on my research, Beethoven's life was more miserable than Chopin's so that might be a factor on the "romantic" part.

I didnt mean all of the piece. Just some like Chopin's Etude no.4 op.12 and Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata 3rd mov. And based on my research, Beethoven's life was more miserable than Chopin's so that might be a factor on the "romantic" part.


<3 someone understands

and also, to me, many of the dark and fast paced songs are beautiful to me. only some slow ones are good. when it gets tooooooo slow, and to quiet, i sometimes tend to lose interest. Debussy's Clair De Lune, isnt just a quiet pale soft melody, it has exiting parts to it. you can't be all drama, without SOME sugar ^_^ .

just take that into consideration.

if it is a sarcasm..that's a bad one

Well, I don't know! O.O

<3 someone understands

and also, to me, many of the dark and fast paced songs are beautiful to me. only some slow ones are good. when it gets tooooooo slow, and to quiet, i sometimes tend to lose interest. Debussy's Clair De Lune, isnt just a quiet pale soft melody, it has exiting parts to it. you can't be all drama, without SOME sugar ^_^ .

just take that into consideration.

exactly. slow ones i like, like the moonlight sonata 1st movement. but not too much sugar (diabetes) :sick: XD

lol..

the moonlight sonata mov. 1

i learned an excerpt that a keyboard i had early teaches. i learned it in about 2 hours. and played it so prefectly. this is when others around me noticed that i have a very strong ear for music, and am a prodigy.

although i still take lessons, i still want to learn more styles than classical. mainly came here for mystical, romantic types. some of the composers on here make ok pieces, but sound all the same. thats why i came in, had some sucky pieces. well, i gave them good compliments, but really thought it was crap<_< ..

anyway.. moonlight is good lol..

same thing here. i learned mine on the casio keyboard when i had it for a gift. in fact, i got my keyboard and learned the moonlight before (thats right, before) my lessons. My aunt told me im a progidy when i played the pathetique 1st mov. last month. what a coincidence.
For the romantic type, i like chopin's waltz

i wrote a prelude last night in one hour, showed to parents, they said "I almost cried.. If it was longer, and the same plot, I would."

they obviously were impressed. ill post the sheet music (that i literally wrote) on here in a bit.

it CANNOT be done on any music program, only to be played in real life.

this shows (i guess) that i have a romantic side to me. chopin

And this has to do with the topic how?

... look at ishsters post above mine. don't question what you have nothing for.

No. Your post had nothing to do with this topic, just an attempt to get people to your own composing thread. It's not big deal, it's just that it's annoying when people do that =/

myself im a beethoven fan, i prefere the feel and sound of the music. It relaxes me when im feeling realy bad