Your thoughts?

I believe it does, at some point. To 'get' some kinds of music, you have to be relatively clever. Though perhaps it reflects on your artistic nature?

That's not to say there are really smart people out there who have horrid tastes in music.

In some ways... I think you have to either have a deep love for the mechanics of music or some intelligence to appreciate classical music. But for the most part... I dont think intelligence is that big an issue on your taste of music. ..aside from braindead people who enjoy the garbage pop music out these days.

Absolutely not. It's all about artistic preference. Although there are of course people who are intelligent, and thus relate to classical pieces as they are built in a different (waaay different) style than today's music. It's built upon rules and logic, but always with a taste of art.

i don't see how, but it can effect your personality as opposed to your intelligence.

That's complete rubbish. I've known not too bright people who listen to an "intelligent" piece of music, and I've known very intelligent people who listen to trash. Look at me. :P

I agree with mystery_editor. I think it reflects a person's personality.

I do not see how anyone would ever be able to figure it out. Because, let's say an intelligent person listens to classical music, but then someone else thinks that classical music is complete trash, and rap or metal or something is better. But obviously, everyone's opinion of what music reflects what, that it wouldn't come out clearly. Does that make sense?

You've got to draw a line though. It's hard to compare, lets say, Ashlee Simpson's new smash hit to Beethoven's Ninth.
What do you people see as an "intelligent" piece of music then?

Taste in music reflects nothing. It's created by classical snobs so they can say "You listen to <x>? Tasteless retard."

Yes, but what may seem tasteless to some people might not seem tasteless to others. So, one would never know. Therefore, one could never really judge.

And we've also got a fair few people on the other spectrum saying "WTF is this?? Ambience?!? WTF is that? Turn this shit off, you intelligence-seeking wanker!!!"

Don't judge me!

Alright just kidding.

Those people have their own opinions, so if they want to make themselves feel less intellignet, that's their problem. Its what Sinbois said.

Yes. Right- clockwerk.

Don't judge me!

Alright just kidding.

Those people have their own opinions, so if they want to make themselves feel less intellignet, that's their problem. Its what Sinbois said.
Gah, for the last time, Sinbios.

I am privately sure that Sinbois means something in Spanish. People keep messaging me with "Hola, Sinbois!" for some reason.

@Sinbois: Don't bother, I'm still nior to plenty of people.

Does anyone know if there have been studies on musical preferences? Cuz in my school, we have loads of varity of people. The people who are studying to become a mechanic or woodworkers etc often listen to Rap/Hip-Hop. The people who are going around in 10-people groups are mostly listening to mainstream music, such as pop and other MTV music. Then there are those who are semi-rebellious who listen to rock and classical, and all other sorts of music.

Well, most of the smarter people in my school dont like classical, I know of two people, Logan (Probably our towns smartest minor) and I. I dont like older classical though, its nasty. I like contemporary classical, which is probably a paradox...so I will go with modern insturmental X=

But to answere the main question, there is no intelegent type of music. Clockwerk is just acting up agian. I could compose a song with every instrument you could think up, but that wont make it any more intelegent as I am. You know why? It could be just a repetative note, over and over.

Yet, I could later compose a song with one instrument, which could or couldnt make me or the song seem intelligent. It could be overly complext, but the whole song could be a bunch of crap I wanted to put down randomly.


That's not to say there are really smart people out there who have horrid tastes in music.

Whats your problem? Evil monkey in your closet? You act like you know whats good music and whats bad, you listen to whats best, and anything else is crap. Examples:


Mainstream music scene
Overrated music/artists
Song covering

Some threads you started to bash peoples music ;)

I agree with mystery_editor. I think it reflects a person's personality.
I do too!! But, my fav artist is myself. Does that mean I'm full of myself? or does it mean that I'm different.

I think it just means you are supportive of yourself. What would be weird is if you didn't like your own music... and yet kept playing.

Well, most of the smarter people in my school dont like classical, I know of two people, Logan (Probably our towns smartest minor) and I. I dont like older classical though, its nasty. I like contemporary classical, which is probably a paradox...so I will go with modern insturmental X=

But to answere the main question, there is no intelegent type of music. Clockwerk is just acting up agian. I could compose a song with every instrument you could think up, but that wont make it any more intelegent as I am. You know why? It could be just a repetative note, over and over.

Yet, I could later compose a song with one instrument, which could or couldnt make me or the song seem intelligent. It could be overly complext, but the whole song could be a bunch of crap I wanted to put down randomly.



Whats your problem? Evil monkey in your closet? You act like you know whats good music and whats bad, you listen to whats best, and anything else is crap. Examples:



Some threads you started to bash peoples music ;)
:lol: This is a serious discussion you jackass.

I, in no way, ever said that intelligent people have good tastes in music, or dumb people had lame tastes in music. I have come to the conclusion that it is all up to the artistic taste of the individual.

I hate bullies, I really do, and I do hope that you stop singling me out.:lol:There's a heck of a lot of people agreeing with me on those topics, go pick a fight with them, idiot.

@Sinbois: Don't bother, I'm still nior to plenty of people.

Does anyone know if there have been studies on musical preferences? Cuz in my school, we have loads of varity of people. The people who are studying to become a mechanic or woodworkers etc often listen to Rap/Hip-Hop. The people who are going around in 10-people groups are mostly listening to mainstream music, such as pop and other MTV music. Then there are those who are semi-rebellious who listen to rock and classical, and all other sorts of music.
I just know that in the music department, where we study music, people listen to all sorts of music, from classical to jazz to rock to pop.

I, in no way, ever said that intelligent people have good tastes in music, or dumb people had lame tastes in music. I have come to the conclusion that it is all up to the artistic taste of the individual.

Are you sure?


That's not to say there are really smart people out there who have horrid tastes in music.

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I hate bullies, I really do, and I do hope that you stop singling me out.:lol:There's a heck of a lot of people agreeing with me on those topics, go pick a fight with them, idiot.

Sure. I wont. Your post annoy me. Your a hypocryte. In one topic you say some music is crap, and in this topic you say its up to peoples likes in personality in your later post.

Radical Dreamer, if you would understand English grammar at all, then you'd know that clockwerk meant that there *ARE* people like that, even though they are not many. He was just indicating that there is a always a small percentage of everything, you know.

Before calling people stuff, be sure to know you won't look like a fool afterwards =P

Either way, he said some people listen to bad music. Then he says in the same thread that the kind of music people listen to is up to their own taste. If that is so true, no one is listening to bad music ;)

You've got to draw a line though. It's hard to compare, lets say, Ashlee Simpson's new smash hit to Beethoven's Ninth.
What do you people see as an "intelligent" piece of music then?
Answer to that.

Do YOU personally think they are on the same level? Have they the same depth in terms of meaning and complexity?

Yes. I personaly perfer Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, but seeing how I dont crave alot of pop cultured music, I dont know how someone who enjoys Ashlee Simpson's music feels when listening to it. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its any stupider, less complex or anything less then what you like. Remeber this?


I have come to the conclusion that it is all up to the artistic taste of the individual.

Well, your newest post sorta counter attacked that post.

It's called a change in opinion.

And I guess you don't read a lot of music reviews or anything.

Like I said before, draw a line.

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Looks like a line, smells like a line, it is a line! X=

Okay, you do have all rights to change opinons, but you changed it like 3 times already.

I'm an exceedingly quick learner.


Radical Dreamer, if you would understand English grammar at all, then you'd know that clockwerk meant that there *ARE* people like that, even though they are not many. He was just indicating that there is a always a small percentage of everything, you know.
B)

Call me a hypocrite? Let's take this to the religious thread then. I don't see how critisizing tastes in music, can be different to taking the piss out of Christianity. And I don't result to swear words or cheap jokes.

Tell me, do YOU know how a Christian feels? Do YOU know how much he relys on his God for strength? Consider the fact that he really IS trying to help you on a personal level, not just appease his God. The truth is, I read somewhere you absolutely loathe stereotypes, yet they come oozing out of your non sensical mouth (or typing fingers, whatever). Bahh, I am awfully sick of this arguement, I believe it's a valid question to ask, so does everybody here on this thread besides you.

But...:lol:

And I find it cute how you like to laugh and make faces at your own jokes a lot of the time.:lol: XD X= (NOTE: dramatization)

Lol. I was just about to say we should stop arguing, its going no where...

I make jokes, I like mah jokes, and you noticed, thankies *hugglez*

BTW, whos in your ava? He is damn hot.

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So to end it, its up to peoples preferance :P

Answer to that.

Do YOU personally think they are on the same level? Have they the same depth in terms of meaning and complexity?

Meaning and complexity of a piece does not make a person who listens to that piece have better taste. A Gregorian chant can be extremely simple, and a trance tune can be more complex than any symphony. Does that reflect the "taste" or intelligence of the listener in any way? True, an individual better educated in music could analyze it better, but the point of music is to evoke emotions in its listeners; one does not have to be able to distinguish a triad from a seventh chord to enjoy music. Thus, intelligence has nothing to do with what kind of music a person enjoys. /Critisizing/ music is another matter, though.

Sinbios is right. Let's put it in simple terms. Nobody doubts the genius of Beethoven, and that his music is 'intelligent'. But if you gather up a group of the world's 100 smartest people, will they all like Beethoven's music? No, it depends on taste and personality.

Edit: And I like that term, "evoking emotions"

Would you say that people with similar personalities/intelligence levels/musical background drawn to similar types of music?

I don't think music tastes reflect on intelligence; just on the kind of person you are- not personality as such; just in a more general sense.

True, an individual better educated in music could analyze it better, but the point of music is to evoke emotions in its listeners
That is what I'm generally trying to get at.

Also, do you think music and films be judged in the same manner? I hate to make another generalization, but could you compare, say, American Pie to A Clockwork Orange? They come from completely different genres and must be interpreted differently. American Pie is just kick back and laugh at all the stupid things, while A Clockwork Orange makes you contemplate morality and look for satirical references, which will help you enjoy it. The same with literature, a Goosebumps novel compared to some poem by William Blake?


Meaning and complexity of a piece does not make a person who listens to that piece have better taste.
So you do believe there's such thing as having better music tastes to other people?

Death metal fans will obviously say they have better taste in music than classical fans, won't they?

Ahh, right

hmm, i know geniuses that listen to only heavy metal and emo. i know idiots who listen to classical. and i've seen everyone in between, there is not a lot of relationship between what you listen to and your intelligence

Would you say that people with similar personalities/intelligence levels/musical background drawn to similar types of music?

Well duh. If people have the same personality and musical background, they will more then likely like a particular type of music. Your way of thinking is way to narrow. Its better said with one example, not three. And I think there is no 'Intelegence Level', just people and their expertise.

So you do believe there's such thing as having better music tastes to other people?
There is good music and bad music. However, you cannot say all music in one genre is good music or bad music. If you are referring to "taste" as the ability to distinguish between good and bad music, then yes, some people have better taste. However, if you are referring to "taste" as "preference for a particular genre", then no, there is no "better taste". And to answer the original question (again), one does not have to be intelligent nor educated to be able to distinguish between good and bad music. Musical education only matters when you are analyzing and critisizing music.


American Pie is just kick back and laugh at all the stupid things, while A Clockwork Orange makes you contemplate morality and look for satirical references, which will help you enjoy it. The same with literature, a Goosebumps novel compared to some poem by William Blake?
You are referring to particular examples, here. We are discussing genres. If we convert your example to genres, we get comedy and drama. Is drama necessarily better than comedy? Do all people who enjoy comedy have bad taste and are stupid, and all people who enjoy drama have good taste and intelligent?

Though there are many people who enjoy both genres, there are also people who would be completely disgusted with the crass humor in American Pie and people who would think that A Clockwork Orange is the most boring crap they've ever seen. Those who are disgusted with American Pie are probably too "sophisticated" to "lower" themselves to that "level" of humor, and those who are bored with A Clockwork Orange are either not aware of the intelligence behind the design, or realize what it is, but just don't think it's interesting.

Tate in music reflects on your intelligence extremely little, if at all. I think someone's taste is simply reflective of that person's personality (as others have said). Also, it is affected by the people they live around, and the way they've learned or grown up. Some people have been taught to be alot more accepting and adaptable than others, to appreciate everything around them etc etc.

Example:

I have an IQ of 127 (-_- Just trying to prove a point), my mother and grandparents raised me to appreciate classical music, not only that but rock and pop as well, music from the 60s,70s and 80s. Then I made new friends at high school and quite a few of them are into heavy metal. Surprise surprise now I am too, it's one of my favourite genres, along with rock and classical.

One of my friends has an IQ of 105, and is thoroughly into classical and some really old metal, I don't even know what years it's from. He can't stand pop. We've actually had this conversation before together and he says he would probably be more into pop and hiphop etc if he'd had a sister who was interested in it.

I think it really does just depend on a person's personality, way of life, social situation, and state of mind, among many other factors no doubt. Definetely not intelligence. If you like something, you like it.

I agree with Nyx. My dad raised me with a lot of different music, mostly jazz, bluegrass, and obscure rock. And then I have aquired my own tastes as well. I love the complexity of jazz and that that complexity doesn't interfere with the soul of the music, but rather boosts it. And then I also really love techno, not that I feel techno takes an incredible amount of talent to create, I just think it's fun music and enjoy it. I'm not much for hip hop, but I appreciate rap, such as Linkin Park and Gorrilaz. And I'll even jump in on a bluegrass jam session occasionally. Heck, one of my heroes is a jazz playing banjoist named Bela Fleck.

So, if my musical preference points to my intelligence or even just the way my mind works, I might have to conclude that I am posessed by a schizophrenic demon who likes to boogie. :w00t: :rukia: