one of the big mysteries and questions of life. What is the meaning of our lives?

and no don't reply with something stupid like "42". I actually intend to have a serious discussion where people write then own true beliefs. (if you seriously think the meaning of life is forty two, i suggest you get some counciling. otherwise you're not answering the question "what is the meaning of life".)

so what is the meaning of life?
why do humans exist? since when did we exist? how did we gain self consciouness? what happens to it when we die?

scientifically speaking, it sucks. when we die, that's it. our thought process freezes the instant we die, and so everything stops forever when we die (for us). just.. back to nothingness. we won't notice we're dead or anything because all of that's stopped. scary huh? but that's probably what happens.

why do we exist? to reproduce? or because there's some devine being and heaven really exists and there isn't enough room for all the souls to be there, so they're chucked onto earth to enjoy "life" while God expands heaven? ( XD )

all the life's great mysteries and questions.... unanswered.







Personally, I haven't found an answer for my existence, still looking for it.
Maybe that's the meaning of life, to search for our own reasons for existence.
When we die.. is the moment we finally realise the meaning of it, perhaps.

I don't think there's a reason why you and me are walking the earth. That part is probably just the process of nature. Why do we die? The most reasonable answer would be that if we didn't, there would be an enormous overpopulazation. I like how Nightmare once said it, something like "When I die, the world stops spinning" From a first glance, that comment might seem a bit self-centered, but really.. if you die, the world is gone. There is no world left. Makes sense :/

Just thinking of life after death gives me an headache. It's all so illogical I can't come up with anything. Scientists have already ruined it all =P Don't get me wrong, they have given us answers about almost everything, but they also took away the mysterious and romantic feeling. Even the moon lost its mysterious aura.

Hm.. so I don't believe we have a purpose, not individually anyway. If there was any meaning of life at all, I think we have already succeeded it. Maybe we were supposed to evolve and create the societies we have today.

Well I believe that although we did evolve, things these days seem just way to complex to have happened by themselves so I believe in a higher entity/power that set things going, but I really wouldn't know, one of the things I find interesting to ponder is the theory put forward in Rama Revealed by Arthur C. Clarke and Gentry Lee, that the universe was created by God as an experiement so that eventually a perfect universe could be created, also there the Human backstory in MoO3 that we were genetically engineered soldiers who failed and were left on a colony ship and shoot out into the void. Then there's one thing that I think would be interesting that we are just an experiement except carried out on an alien computer system and we are all just simulations. Then there was that short story about the monks who were purcahsing a computer that could create a list of words that would be God's names, at the story when the monks say they are finished and that the purpose of mankind's existance is to fid all the names of God, the computer salesmen are obviously rather amusedbut when they step outside the stars are begining to disappear.

What I will say, is that what happens after death has too many possibilities its technically infinite. The meaning of life also has too many possibilities, but I believe that we may find out in the future, someday.

The purpose of life is to reproduce. Because if it were not the purpose of life, life would become obsolete. So naturally, to keep it going, we must reproduce. Why we choose to live, on the other hand, is a different question. When we die, we go back to how we were before we came into existance. Into nothing. There is no world, no life, no dark or light, nothing to extinquish, it is nothingness. We have no thoughts, feelings, concerns, it is unfathomable. Time has no meaning. A billion years can pass in but the blink of an eye in our death. There is nothing. Unless you have Christian beliefs. Then, while about 97% of the world's 6.4 billion people are burning in hell, you naively think you will go to a nonexistant heaven with your god.

Theoretically, our purpose here is to reproduce, evolve, and expand [basically, Galactic expansion should be humanities ultimate goal]. But the individual's purpose? Maybe it's similar to a cell in our body - alone it is nothing, too small to affect us in any way. But when there are many of these cell, then it is possible for them to achieve something. Perhaps we are like those individual cells, and the "body" is humanity.

Self-conscious... who knows? most of our life we spend on fulfilling our desires/needs, so are we really that different from the ape that walked on earth billions of years ago? maybe we're not as conscious as we think we are - when we discard all desires, all bodily, needs - perhaps then we will trully be free. Right now, we think only when we have fulfilled our needs.

But before we were born... we were nothing, so who decides who gets to be born and who doesn't? and if we do get picked to walk on earth... why us? If there is some place we can go after we die... there must be some place we were before we were born. And if there are people out there who believe in God... and supposely God created adam and eve? what happened to all the dinosaurs. I mean we do have enough evidence to prove that there was a time when big creatures like dinosaurs roamed around the earth.

do have enough evidence to prove that there was a time when big creatures like dinosaurs roamed around the earth.

Yes.

The meaning of life is experience. It's as simple as that. To actually have it, is the point, in my opinion. To experience all these things and to affect the others as we do. The reason of life is to be.

As for death, that kind of has to do with what religion you are involved. I feel that ,regardless what happends when we die, life is merely meant to be lived

i believe the only way to find out these answers is to fully experience life and death...

Yes.

But that evidence could be planted there by some higher being to see our reaction to bones many times bigger then our own.

~

This same question come to mind in our science class. How do we know we are a tiny part compleatly ignored in the whole, or how do we know there isnt a tiny art of our world that is compleatly ignored? I may or may not be there, but you could just as easly say it is as it isnt.

How do we know Angelic or Kou is real? Or Toki or even I? We could be a well programed computer made to reply with a distinctive personality for all you know.

Its like spending your life to find the meaning to 1+1=2, there is no meaning. Some may say its 2, but thats just a symble. It could just as easly be 3, 1 or 0. But you can dissagree, but then I bring up the fact its only a symble. It could be two, but not 2. It could be uno, but not un. It could be одно but not 3.

I wouldnt wither my life away just to explain things with words that will only fade away in moments. I will do something I want and I care for.

~

Life is a Sith Military experiment!

I will do something I want and I care for.


To experience all these things and to affect the others as we do. The reason of life is to be.

*Hi five*

Why we exist would get into some evolution or no evolution theories, but you can non-religious-controversy-ly say that the meaning of life is based on your perception of it. For some there is no meaning of life because "meaning of life" to them is "point in life" and they feel that there is none. Like there is no point to a Sims game. You do whatever it is that you do and what do you get for it? Death?

However, I want to lead my life by making it better for generations to come. I think your point is to preserve what we have and not question it. How foolish are we to receive what we have received and then just complain about how it doesn't make sense? But questioning our existence is pretty inevitable. Most of us want to know why.

We have grass that is green, bodies that function (most of us anyway who are struggling with this question), and rules to follow. We have the ability to make choice, but especially, to compromise. There's so much to learn and discover and the more we do, I believe, the more we begin to realise that our question before that was, "What is the meaning of life?" is no longer anywhere near as important as, "Am I making good use of the time and environment and gifts that whoever gave them to me gave me?"

If you think that there are no outcomes from your long and hard life full of trying to improve and help, look at this Chinese Proverb: "If you want happiness for a lifetime, help the next generation." You can live on in words and memories and even tangible things that might wear away, but you can be assured you lived a "full life" and your "point was made."

The meaning of life isn't for us to know.

I'm sure everyone has a different life view. Mine is that we live to enjoy life. Hallmark of Generation Y.

I think that there is no meaning, but people try and make a history and importance for themselves, for other meaningingless lives, to make it to them a little more meaningful.

I'm sure everyone has a different life view. Mine is that we live to enjoy life. Hallmark of Generation Y.

If life was about being happy... why do we suffer? to appreciate happiness of life a little more? If there is no meaning in life... why do we live? there is no point of living if there is no meaning.

Originally posted by DiamondSeraph
The meaning of life is experience. It's as simple as that.

I wish it was that simple. But I feel that there is no real answer to this question. My philosophy in life is to answer the question and question the answer. When someone comes up with an answer such as DiamondSeraph answer (I'm picking a random answer here) I ask... what are we gonna use those experiences for after we die?

Getting out of hell maybe?

If life was about being happy... why do we suffer? to appreciate happiness of life a little more? If there is no meaning in life... why do we live? there is no point of living if there is no meaning.

People don't /choose/ to suffer. Everyone /wants/ to enjoy life. I'm answering "Why do we live", not "How are we made to live". And indeed, lives spent in suffering and just trying to survive is pretty pointless. It's the hope for a better life that gives it meaning.

Originally Posted by Sinbio Zefiris Ark
People don't /choose/ to suffer. Everyone /wants/ to enjoy life. I'm answering "Why do we live", not "How are we made to live".

So we have to go through our lives just to be happy? No other reason? We could have been a fish or reptiles... but no.. we were so damn lucky to be born as a human being. Why us? Do we, individually, have a certain parts we have to accomplish in the world before we die? Are we just mere sacrifices to something much bigger? Does life always have to do with GOD or some sort of higher power? Give me some examples

But that evidence could be planted there by some higher being to see our reaction to bones many times bigger then our own.

@_@ Okay then.. to me that sounds completely stupid though. Why would anyone do that? And who created those 'beings' ?


Its like spending your life to find the meaning to 1+1=2, there is no meaning. Some may say its 2, but thats just a symble.

Maybe. When having sex, 1+1 sometimes equals 3.. :think:

True, but out of everyone on Earth, why would you know the answere? There may be giant bones in the ground, but what does that mean? It only means theres giant bones. Dont get me wrong though, I beleave in dino's 100%, but im just backing up every possable point of veiw.

I think durring sex, 1+1=1, and that one is me! X=

If life was about being happy... why do we suffer? to appreciate happiness of life a little more? If there is no meaning in life... why do we live? there is no point of living if there is no meaning.


I wish it was that simple. But I feel that there is no real answer to this question. My philosophy in life is to answer the question and question the answer. When someone comes up with an answer such as DiamondSeraph answer (I'm picking a random answer here) I ask... what are we gonna use those experiences for after we die?
Why do we travel around the world to see different things? Is it really so that we can do something when we come back home? What do you do after you go to an amusement park? Nothing much but to reminicse of what we did when we were there. Wether it be fun or sad the point was to do it. How do we use these experiences when we sit at home, we don't, lest we sit and remember.

I'm sure everyone has a different life view. Mine is that we live to enjoy life.

Yes. Enjoy life and make it enjoyable for others...? Well, for me, that's just enjoyable.

True, but out of everyone on Earth, why would you know the answere? There may be giant bones in the ground, but what does that mean? It only means theres giant bones. Dont get me wrong though, I beleave in dino's 100%, but im just backing up every possable point of veiw.

I think durring sex, 1+1=1, and that one is me! X=
You don't trust science, yet you absolutely hate religion (Christianity anyway).

:huh:

So we have to go through our lives just to be happy? No other reason? We could have been a fish or reptiles... but no.. we were so damn lucky to be born as a human being. Why us? Do we, individually, have a certain parts we have to accomplish in the world before we die? Are we just mere sacrifices to something much bigger? Does life always have to do with GOD or some sort of higher power? Give me some examples
What examples are you looking for? Are you trying to say that humans are somehow special, "lucky", chosen? The rest of your questions have nothing to do with anything. Stop rambling. We're born as humans. Enjoy it while you could.


Yes. Enjoy life and make it enjoyable for others...? Well, for me, that's just enjoyable.
Some people find helping others enjoyable, some people find creating pain and suffering enjoyable. They don't live to help people or create pain, they live to do what is enjoyable to them.

Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
Stop rambling. We're born as humans. Enjoy it while you could.

You know who says stuff like that? People who have not yet gotten a good grasp of life... like little kids. So what you're saying to me is now meaning of life is simply to enjoy life. Perhaps we have a different definition of this word "meaning" in our heads.... so let's use the universal definition of this word "meaning". The dictionary says meaning is the quality that makes something seems important and valuable. Now... I say if that's the case... why is all these bad things happening to people... for example... hurricanes. Who's enjoying that? You? Perhaps you don't even care. If you do... why? You don't have to since it has no meaning to it right? I mean, that IS what you said. It's not enjoyable so why even care? If tragedies are frivolous... why exist? Because it is the quality that makes soemthing seems important and valuable. Maybe the word "seems" support your opinion since you and I don't see the same thing. All this time you were just stating your opinions to disagree with me... but you never really show me anything.... so that's not really a good argument. So respond to this after you see the "life" in the eye.

I'm not sure what you're going on about. Is enjoying life not important and valuable? You seem to be trying to say that "shit happens = the meaning of life is to have shit happen". Does the fact that bad things happen to people mean that people cannot have the pursuit of happiness as their life goal? Your reasoning is beyond me.

What's your answer to the "why do we exist" question? I have yet to see a sensible bit of information out of you. Before you start pointing fingers, realize all YOU have contributed to the thread are rambling questions that make no sense at all, and a random bit that questions whether we can prove that dinosaurs exist. Which we can and have.

Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
Is enjoying life not important and valuable? You seem to be trying to say that "shit happens = the meaning of life is to have shit happen". Does the fact that bad things happen to people mean that people cannot have the pursuit of happiness as their life goal? Your reasoning is beyond me.

What's your answer to the "why do we exist" question?

Ah.... I see our difference now. You see what you're doing is trying to find the ultimate answer. Me.... I'm trying to find all the possible answers. This is you... 1+1=X. This is me... 2+2=3-X+Y-6+1+Z. Do you get it now? Different numbers, different concepts thus different answers. I guess mine is the dumb way since it is not simple like yours.

Can somebody explain exactly what yellowmonkey121 is going on about? As far as I'm concerned, this thread is about what humans live for. You have yet to give a single answer to that question. 2+2=3-X+Y-6+1+Z is no more an answer than 42.

You don't trust science, yet you absolutely hate religion (Christianity anyway).

:huh:

Where did I say I dont trust science? And duh I dislike the Christian religion.

~

Well, why does there allways have to be a bigger image? Why does there allways have to be a higher being? Why does there allways have to be something bigger, special, a goal for life and death? Can you not accsept that were here and thats that? There doesnt have to be complex science problems or giant cults to explain such simple things as life. Were here, get used to it and live with it like you have been for the past when ever.

If we ever figure out the reason were here if there is any, then thats just one down, and millions or billions left. Those millions/billions are for the other things swarming around us. What makes us so special that we alone have to have a special reason to be here? Oh, I know why! Its to destroy our planet and take away the chances of life for everything else. Were no special then Ghonorrea.

Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
You have yet to give a single answer to that question. 2+2=3-X+Y-6+1+Z is no more an answer than 42.

Like I said earlier... I DON'T THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION! How would I know the answer to this question if Aristotle or Plato couldn't figure it out. They were rambling something about life but they didn't give a definite answer. However I'm trying to find all the possible answer but you on the other hand is so sure about your answer. Maybe certain number in the equation is "happiness" and other numbers are something else. And when all the numbers are added.... it equals 42. And just MAYBE that's what the author of that book/movie was thinking too. C'mon! Expand your mind! You're one of those people who think there is life in another planet that is 100 years ahead of us. Why not 100 million years ahead of us. Expand your mind! You think I never thought that life is about enjoying it? Let me repeat it again. "What is the meaning of life? To enjoy it." You don't see anything wrong with that? Bah... what's the point of this... I don't think anyone understands me. That just blows.

Side note: My friend's younger brother actually wrote a very convincing essay on why the meaning of life is indeed 42. Too bad it can't be reproduced here *shrugs*

@ yellowmonkey: I sort of understand you . . but what if we're mixing up 'meaning' and 'purpose'? They're two different things, right?

Originally Posted by Al
@ yellowmonkey: I sort of understand you . . but what if we're mixing up 'meaning' and 'purpose'? They're two different things, right?

What is the meaning of life? The meaning of life is to enjoy it
What is the purpose in life? The purpose in life is to enjoy it

I see what you're saying Al. Purpose in life is almost like refering to Fate no?

Like I said earlier... I DON'T THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION! How would I know the answer to this question if Aristotle or Plato couldn't figure it out. They were rambling something about life but they didn't give a definite answer. However I'm trying to find all the possible answer but you on the other hand is so sure about your answer. Maybe certain number in the equation is "happiness" and other numbers are something else. And when all the numbers are added.... it equals 42. And just MAYBE that's what the author of that book/movie was thinking too. C'mon! Expand your mind! You're one of those people who think there is life in another planet that is 100 years ahead of us. Why not 100 million years ahead of us. Expand your mind! You think I never thought that life is about enjoying it? Let me repeat it again.
I still do not see what beings that live 100 years or 100 million years ahead of us or expanding my mind have to do with our reason to live. So, it comes down to this; you do not actually know why you live. I, however, do. I can prove this with very simple reasoning; what is our motivation to do anything? Simple, to make ourselves feel better. Apparently this goes against your fundamental belief that there is some higher purpose in life, and that there is something pure and holy we are supposed to achieve. I say you're looking a bit too deep into something very simple.


"What is the meaning of life? To enjoy it." You don't see anything wrong with that? Bah... what's the point of this... I don't think anyone understands me. That just blows.
Typical Generation X thinking and emo to boot, with nothing to back it up.

As far as I see it, "to enjoy it" is the best answer that man managed to come up with to the question "what is the meaning of life". It's the answer that satisfies, since it lets us pursue what we want to pursue, and keeps us preoccupied so we don't brood over the question.

The meaning of life. Man, what a difficult topic @_@
Alright, I think that there is no true meaning of life. Or, perhaps the meaning of life is to be constantly searching for it? After all, it is inevitable. No one will ever come up with an answer that can be proven by anything we have developed, so that seems like the only logical answer to me. All this knowledge we gain during our lifetime, maybe it's just to help us understand the meaning of life at that culminating moment when all our processes stop. Maybe that's what people mean when they say your life flashes before your eyes when you die. It's because you finally understand the meaning of life. Of course, no one in the world can actually vouch for that, because no one has been revived(which is impossible, IMO). Well, that's my 2 cents.:sweat:

In my opinion, life does not have one "meaning." But certain periods in one's life can have different purposes. For example, if someone was a missionary to Africa, then the purpose of that time would be to help others. The purpose of the period that people go to highschool is to learn about the world, etc. etc. After a major event in your life, try reflecting and saying "now what was the purpose of that? How can I improve based on that?"

Everything we do has an impact somewhere; for example, because I wrote this, you are reading instead of doing something else. I could have just potentially saved your life; say instead of reading this you were carrying scissors across the house, and you tripped.

You're welcome. ;)

Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
I, however, do. I can prove this with very simple reasoning; what is our motivation to do anything? Simple, to make ourselves feel better.

Origianlly Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
Typical Generation X thinking and emo to boot, with nothing to back it up.
You want me to back this up? Let's say you and a bunch of people were captured by the terrorist and they gave You a choice of You shooting 1 person and save you and the rest of the people... or you don't kill anyone but they kill everyone but you. This actually happened by the way... so don't say stuff like "oh that's a hypothetical question". So... since it happened, it must be life, and if life is about enjoying it.... well you finish the sentence for me.
Would you kill someone to save many others or would you simply just say "No" to killing. Either way you're not gonna enjoy yourself killing a person or be a reason for the massacre. And no... don't say you're gonna kill yourself because that'll make you feel better... because that's not enjoying your life, since life means to be ALIVE!

You can say I'm wrong, but you are definitely not right either. I'm only arguing with you because for some reason you are so certain about your answer. I'm not saying that your answer can't be right. I mean... it can. But I'm just trying to prove that your certainty in your answer is wrong. Does anyone see what I see or should I just shut my goddamn mouth? I've asked for some examples and I have. But you haven't! "If you know, you show. If you show, therefore you must know." I'm showing here but you're not. All you ever said was "We live to make ourselves feel better". Oh Yeah! I love masterbating too. It feels sooo good. Is that what you're talking about? Masterbation!

You want me to back this up? Let's say you and a bunch of people were captured by the terrorist and they gave You a choice of You shooting 1 person and save you and the rest of the people... or you don't kill anyone but they kill everyone but you. This actually happened by the way... so don't say stuff like "oh that's a hypothetical question". So... since it happened, it must be life, and if life is about enjoying it.... well you finish the sentence for me.
Would you kill someone to save many others or would you simply just say "No" to killing. Either way you're not gonna enjoy yourself killing a person or be a reason for the massacre. And no... don't say you're gonna kill yourself because that'll make you feel better... because that's not enjoying your life, since life means to be ALIVE!

The answer is simple. Will you enjoy living with the knowledge that you killed an innocent more than dying while knowing you haven't?

And you still miss my point. You are still going on about how because shit happens, then the meaning of life can't be about enjoying it. We can rephrase this into "One cannot enjoy life because others are made to suffer". How about this; you can't have a job, because there are unemployed people in the world.


You can say I'm wrong, but you are definitely not right either. I'm only arguing with you because for some reason you are so certain about your answer. I'm not saying that your answer can't be right. I mean... it can. But I'm just trying to prove that your certainty in your answer is wrong. Does anyone see what I see or should I just shut my goddamn mouth?
I'm definitely not right? Prove it. Wait. Now you're saying it can be right? So is it definitely not right or maybe right? And how can my certainty in my answer be... wrong, without proving that my answer is wrong?


I've asked for some examples and I have. But you haven't!
...What?

"If you know, you show. If you show, therefore you must know." I'm showing here but you're not.
Show what? That my answer is right or wrong? You have neither proven me wrong, nor even yourself given an answer.


All you ever said was "We live to make ourselves feel better".Yes, that is my answer to the question, and I have backed it up. Prove me wrong with something other than "That can't be right!"


Oh Yeah! I love masterbating too. It feels sooo good. Is that what you're talking about? Masterbation!Why, if masturbation is what you enjoy most in life, then you must be living to sustain that activity.

"The meaning of life is only found once it has ended."

Quit wasting your time.

@ Darksage: How do you know if there is an after-life.

@Sinbios Zefiris Ark: If life is enjoying... then it should be filled with, and only, enjoyable stuff... am I wrong?

I never said there was, that isn't meant to be taken literally. If life has a meaning, why waste your life trying to figure it out? Figuring out life's meaning isn't to be able to figure it out. In essence, somethig only attains a meaning after it is completed. Like a war, or a battle, it has no meaning until it's over because you dont know who wins until it is over. then you can give it meaning because you know what happened.

And it is much safer to assume their is an afterlife. If there is (and you follow your religion) then you go to Heaven or whatever salvation it is. If you didnt... Hell.
If all religion is bogus, then *shrugs*, there's no afterlife, so isn't life pointless? So you can worship anyway and it really wont matter.
But scientifically, the creation of the universe cannot be proved, so there must be a higher power, so there must be an afterlife.

@Sinbios Zefiris Ark: If life is enjoying... then it should be filled with, and only, enjoyable stuff... am I wrong?
You are wrong. My point is that people live for enjoyment of life, or even hope for such enjoyment. The fact that some people can't have the enjoyment they want doesn't mean they can't strive for enjoyment.

It's like... why do people work? So they can live in society. Why live in society? Why go through all the trouble and getting money and what not?

For the vacations; for the fun; for nice dinners, nice cars, a nice house. We strive to enjoy ourselves, even if we can't enjoy ourselves while getting there. Why do we go to school? So we can get a job. Why do we want a job? So we can have an enjoyable life.

Actually, we do all that because some <sarcasm>genuis</sarcasm> came up with the idea of money...

Right, and with that money we can enjoy our lives.

That's just the way this world works; take it or leave it.

Well there are the Marxists and people who want a utopia... that (in essence) would eliminate te idea of "money" (Yes, money is an idea, and quite absurd that you work hard to get a piece of paper that the government tells you is worth something)

And life can be enjoyed without money

Well there are the Marxists and people who want a utopia... that (in essence) would eliminate te idea of "money" (Yes, money is an idea, and quite absurd that you work hard to get a piece of paper that the government tells you is worth something)

And life can be enjoyed without money
It could, but the communist experiment proved itself a failure.

Mother Teresa is the perfect example of someone enjoying life without money

What does money even have to do with anything? Off topic.

Money has everything to do with it. Read the last few posts, we were talking about how some felt that life's purpose was enjoyment and you can only do so with money. I proved otherwise.

Nobody thought you can only enjoy life with money. Pyramus used money as an example because that is how our society works.

And if society is the whole world, wouldn't that mean that you need money?

It depends on what you enjoy. If you enjoy going around punching people in the face, then no, you don't need money for that.

But, I don't think anyone enjoys being dirt-poor.

It was a hypothetical example.

This is silly. Sinbios' examples and my examples were used to prove a point, not to report on some sod who goes around punching people in the face.

The only people who say money is not a big deal are probably rich. If you were poor, no one would ever say that.

Hypothetical examples need to make sense, enjoyment from punching people in the face still isn't going to make you happy; it's just a short pleasure. Like, if I play the piano one day, that's not going to make me a pianist. If that makes sense...

The only people who say money is not a big deal are probably rich. If you were poor, no one would ever say that.

Hypothetical examples need to make sense, enjoyment from punching people in the face still isn't going to make you happy; it's just a short pleasure. Like, if I play the piano one day, that's not going to make me a pianist. If that makes sense...
Stop picking on the examples, they don't mean anything. I pulled that out of my ass. It's made up to disprove yet another instance of picking on the example.

That was the purpose? It was made up for the specific purpose of disproving another instance of picking on examples? I just thought it was a hypothetical question...

I don't mean to sound... "annoying" or anything, but I just put my views here, too. Whatever I say is all in just conversational talk, not meant to aggravate or provoke. So if that is the way it sounds like, please, do tell.

The examples were put out to help back up Sinbios' theory. It's that simple...

I know. All right, if you don't want any inquisitive conflict, go right ahead and agree with everyone around you. I was just trying to see some things that would not have been right to base a "theory" on an inadequate example.

That was the purpose? It was made up for the specific purpose of disproving another instance of picking on examples? I just thought it was a hypothetical question...

I don't mean to sound... "annoying" or anything, but I just put my views here, too. Whatever I say is all in just conversational talk, not meant to aggravate or provoke. So if that is the way it sounds like, please, do tell.
Your views do not contribute to the thread. What does whether punching someone in the face brings one pleasure have to do with the meaning of life? I could spend a couple of minutes to prove your views wrong, but you'll just snag onto another hitch and keep branching off topic.

EDIT: On second thought, I'll tell you why you are wrong.


The only people who say money is not a big deal are probably rich. If you were poor, no one would ever say that.

There are those who do not find material possessions important. See previous reference to Mother Theresa. She may need money to support life and help people, but it is not ultimately what she derives pleasure from.


Hypothetical examples need to make sense, enjoyment from punching people in the face still isn't going to make you happy; it's just a short pleasure. Like, if I play the piano one day, that's not going to make me a pianist. If that makes sense...
There may be someone out there, who absolutely loves randomly punching people in the face and devotes his or her life to it. Thus, they live to punch people in the face. Satisfied?
And please, don't go all "There's no way that would happen" on me. There are people who devote their lives to kidnapping young boys, having gay sex with them, cutting them into pieces, eating their flesh, and keeping a collection of their skulls.

"It depends on what you enjoy. If you enjoy going around punching people in the face, then no, you don't need money for that."

-That had nothing to do with the meaning of life.

"Hypothetical examples need to make sense, enjoyment from punching people in the face still isn't going to make you happy; it's just a short pleasure. Like, if I play the piano one day, that's not going to make me a pianist. If that makes sense..."

-That had to do with the meaning of life because I was comparing punching people in the face as enjoyment with playing the piano for one day, and punching people for life and playing piano for life. That was my only view. Maybe you just didn't understand what I meant, or maybe I didn't state it clear enough. Was that better?

"There are people who devote their lives to kidnapping young boys, having gay sex with them, cutting them into pieces, eating their flesh, and keeping a collection of their skulls."

-They don't devote their lives to it. They have a problem that makes them do it compulsively.

"There may be someone out there, who absolutely loves randomly punching people in the face and devotes his or her life to it. Thus, they live to punch people in the face. Satisfied?"

-Now that you state it that why, yes, that makes sense now. But that was not how it was the first time. There was a difference.

"It depends on what you enjoy. If you enjoy going around punching people in the face, then no, you don't need money for that."

-That had nothing to do with the meaning of life.
Like I said, that was created to disprove the previous argument.



"Hypothetical examples need to make sense, enjoyment from punching people in the face still isn't going to make you happy; it's just a short pleasure. Like, if I play the piano one day, that's not going to make me a pianist. If that makes sense..."

-That had to do with the meaning of life because I was comparing punching people in the face as enjoyment with playing the piano for one day, and punching people for life and playing piano for life. That was my only view. Maybe you just didn't understand what I meant, or maybe I didn't state it clear enough. Was that better?

No, that still doesn't make sense.



"There are people who devote their lives to kidnapping young boys, having gay sex with them, cutting them into pieces, eating their flesh, and keeping a collection of their skulls."

-They don't devote their lives to it. They have a problem that makes them do it compulsively.

That sounds like a hell lot of devotion to me. I am amused by your world view. "Oh, psychopaths don't enjoy it! They just have an, um, problem!"



"There may be someone out there, who absolutely loves randomly punching people in the face and devotes his or her life to it. Thus, they live to punch people in the face. Satisfied?"

-Now that you state it that why, yes, that makes sense now. But that was not how it was the first time. There was a difference.
And pray tell, what was that difference?

This bores me. You're just nitpicking now.

Are you serious? There is a big difference. First you said that they enjoyed it. Then you said that they devoted their lives to it. Hm... if you still don't see the difference, then... I do not know how else to explain it.

"Nitpicking"? Really, or maybe you just don't understand the small significances of what I'm trying to say, therefore saying that I'm just being picky is the quickest way to end and solve the problem. Now, I could say that you're just avoiding the problem.

And, I don't see how that analogy doesn't make sense, but, I suppose, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

Added, sociopaths/pedophiles- they do have a psychological problem. But, of course, that doesn't mean they don't get reprimanded for what they've done, but it's still a problem. They probably do get some enjoyment, but they don't understand. It's the same thing with the mentally ill, they think their life is perfectly fine, they just don't know what else there is to it.

Are you serious? There is a big difference. First you said that they enjoyed it. Then you said that they devoted their lives to it. Hm... if you still don't see the difference, then... I do not know how else to explain it. If you bothered to read any of the thread at all, you will figure out that my whole point is that people devote their lives to the pursuit of that which gives them pleasure.


"Nitpicking"? Really, or maybe you just don't understand the small significances of what I'm trying to say, therefore saying that I'm just being picky is the quickest way to end and solve the problem. Now, I could say that you're just avoiding the problem. What is the problem, exactly? That I made up an analogy that didn't make a lot of sense to you, in order to counter some minor point about money? This is what I mean by nitpicking. It has no effect on the greater scheme of things.


Added, sociopaths/pedophiles- they do have a psychological problem. But, of course, that doesn't mean they don't get reprimanded for what they've done, but it's still a problem. They probably do get some enjoyment, but they don't understand. It's the same thing with the mentally ill, they think their life is perfectly fine, they just don't know what else there is to it.
How does that detract them from enjoying what they do? Are you saying that because society view them as evil, or because the acts are caused by something gone wrong in their head, that what they do cannot possibly be enjoyable?

Nitpicking, nitpicking. Now you have latched onto an example I gave to forestall further arguments out of you about how realistic it is for someone to enjoy hitting other people. Where is all this, I ask, in the greater scheme of the thread?

Originally Poste by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
It depends on what you enjoy. If you enjoy going around punching people in the face, then no, you don't need money for that.

That's only 1 thing in life. I can say the same thing for being sad. If life is about being happy... why not being sad. You're only saying that life is about being happy because it is a positive thing. Or are you suggesting that people are selfish because all we care about is being happy and don't care about other people being happy? So you're saying that the happiness that comes within hurthing other people is same as the happiness you get when you help other people happy... and that's life. But isn't helping other people to be happy considered as selfish too because you're only doing that to make yourself feel better? Isn't being selfish a negetive thing? Ooo... I can just feel people reading this and disagreeing like there is no tomorrow! HA! But I'll post it anyways.

The Answer is 42


LMAO!

scientifically speaking, it sucks. when we die, that's it. our thought process freezes the instant we die, and so everything stops forever when we die (for us). just.. back to nothingness. we won't notice we're dead or anything because all of that's stopped. scary huh? but that's probably what happens.

You know what's even scarier? We are all made up of atoms arranged in compounds and giant molecular structures. When we think, when we feel, they are just... chemical reactions (to put it simply). Our thoughts, life are based on the activities of these infinite atoms working together. So, our individuality isn't all that real after all...

""Nitpicking"? Really, or maybe you just don't understand the small significances of what I'm trying to say, therefore saying that I'm just being picky is the quickest way to end and solve the problem. Now, I could say that you're just avoiding the problem.

What is the problem, exactly? That I made up an analogy that didn't make a lot of sense to you, in order to counter some minor point about money? This is what I mean by nitpicking. It has no effect on the greater scheme of things."

How hypocritical. Most of the things I say apparently doesn't make much sense to you, but I don't count them as nitpicking.
Just because you can't understand me, don't make it sound like it doesn't make sense at all, or it's just trivial to you. How vain...

That's only 1 thing in life. I can say the same thing for being sad. If life is about being happy... why not being sad.

Because people DON'T LIKE BEING SAD.



You're only saying that life is about being happy because it is a positive thing.
No. Life is not "about" anything. Yet again you are missing my point. ENJOYMENT IS WHY WE LIVE, AND WORK, AND ENDURE. GOD. DENSE.



Or are you suggesting that people are selfish because all we care about is being happy and don't care about other people being happy? So you're saying that the happiness that comes within hurthing other people is same as the happiness you get when you help other people happy... and that's life.

Yes.



But isn't helping other people to be happy considered as selfish too because you're only doing that to make yourself feel better?

Yes.



Isn't being selfish a negetive thing?
No. People are selfish. It's a basic human quality. There is no "positive" nor "negative".

Nothing I say seems to be getting through your skull. Come back when you get it.




"Nitpicking"? Really, or maybe you just don't understand the small significances of what I'm trying to say, therefore saying that I'm just being picky is the quickest way to end and solve the problem. Now, I could say that you're just avoiding the problem.

What is the problem, exactly? That I made up an analogy that didn't make a lot of sense to you, in order to counter some minor point about money? This is what I mean by nitpicking. It has no effect on the greater scheme of things.
How hypocritical. Most of the things I say apparently doesn't make much sense to you, but I don't count them as nitpicking.
Just because you can't understand me, don't make it sound like it doesn't make sense at all, or it's just trivial to you. How vain...
I'm sorry. Comments of low significance, logic and importance are trivial to me. I understand what you're doing perfectly fine. Troll.

I have lost all patience with you two. I might make another comment if you find some shred of logic within your poor minds.

Umm... yellowmonkey and dominate_ze_vorld... do you two even listen to what people are saying? All you're doing is trying to prove YOUR point, and disproving others' WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING.... and this leads to pointless retarded shit that dominated the last couple pages.... well, mostly just the posts by the two of you.

I'll tell your mistake.


Fist of all.. Sinbios' theory is, "I'm sure everyone has a different life view. Mine is that we live to enjoy life" (which also.. happens to be my take).


Note the bolded word. Your mistake is your view of what "we live to enjoy life" means (or to be precise, the definition of "enjoy"). It appears to you that only what YOU think could be enjoyable, is what really is enjoyable. You think that what could make people happy, is what makes others happy. However.... your opinions of what you think could be enjoyable are incredibly narrowminded and lacking flexibility.

You two are constantly coming up with examples and ideas of why something isn't or cannot be enjoyable (thus trying to disprove how we live to enjoy life). Which is.... the most retarded shit, ever. And here is why..


Who are you to tell what people enjoy?

What right do you have to decide what makes people happy?


Broaden your mind and think clearly about this from an unclouded point of view. Only then will you cease to come up with useless thoughts....

and understand what Sinbios means by "I'm sure everyone has a different life view. Mine is that we live to enjoy life"..

which is what I also believe the meaning of life is.

"do you two even listen to what people are saying? All you're doing is trying to prove YOUR point, and disproving others' WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING...." Everything you are saying is hypocritical. Seriously. Even responding like that, are you saying that you are not disproving mine, without understand what I'm saying? You say to broaden our minds, but have you broadened yours? I do not see you understanding my point of views, or try at least, before disregarding them.

"Who are you to tell what people enjoy?

What right do you have to decide what makes people happy?"

I do not remember telling people what to enjoy, or deciding officially what makes people happy. And there were flaws, but I am guessing you did not bother to read them, as you would not have said so.

"It appears to you that only what YOU think could be enjoyable, is what really is enjoyable. "

I also do not remember I pointing out anything, anything at all, that dictated what to be enjoyed.

Sinbios- Ah... I see. You feel superior that your views are most correct, and so anything that you do not understand, or cannot understand, is below. You say things like, "This bores me" "Your comments are nitpicking" and things, but it's just because you don't understand them yourself, therefore making it trivial to you. Most of the time, when people don't understand something, they disregard it, and think that it is unimportant to what they do understand. That is what you are doing.

And actually, to tell you the truth, I didn't start at the beginning of this thread. I think I started on page three or something. I did not really feel like going through pages one-three and read all of those very long posts. And before you say something like, "You should've" or whatnot, I didn't. And I'm sure you would not have to. The part I read coming in on when Sinbios just said "If you enjoy going around punching people in the face, then no, you don't need money for that." And I saw a flaw with that. All right? That's what I've been talking about. I assume that this quote: "I'm sure everyone has a different life view. Mine is that we live to enjoy life..." is somewhere else, before I came in. And if I had read that, I would not have made those other comments. But, my comments were based on the former quote, and if you look at it from that point-of-view (or, at least, try), then maybe you will also broaden your mind and see what I'm talking about. You don't have to agree, you just have to understand what I'm saying.

And I never said something that you were completely wrong, and that mine was definitely right. So don't even try to push that in my face.

And, I was being attacked first, with the dry sarcasm. I didn't really disagree with before that. In fact, I think I was more polite.

It seems that I am a drag on this thread, so I will take my leave now. *bows* *leaves*

Originally Posted by Zero
Umm... yellowmonkey and dominate_ze_vorld... do you two even listen to what people are saying? All you're doing is trying to prove YOUR point, and disproving others' WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING
First of all... if we all agree to what one person has to say... this thread is, without a doubt, pointless.

Originally Posted by Zero
Who are you to tell what people enjoy?

What right do you have to decide what makes people happy?

I'm glad you brought this up, 'cause I was gonna talk about it. Yes... who am I to tell what the meaning of life is.... but who are you or sinbios to tell me what the meaning of life is. Dominate is right. You are a hypocrite.
Anyways.... so are you saying since I can't tell what people should enjoy nor can you... does this mean there's some kinda higher being telling us how to "enjoy" our lives? If not, can science alone define justice and moral? I mean... if there is no religion... that leaves only science. right?

Originally Posted by Sinbios Zefiris Ark
There is no "positive" nor "negative"
So which category does "enjoyment" fall under? Oh right. None.... since there is no such thing as "positive" or "negative". Yeah it perfectly makes sense!:lol2:

I have lost all patience with you two. I might make another comment if you find some shred of logic within your poor minds.
Ditto.

Edit: dominate_ze_vorld and yellowmonkey121, if you two stop taking things so literally, you might actually learn something. -_-

I think that the meaning of life... is to follow your religion, and thats how the afterlife goes, depending on how your religion has it's rules and all.

How do you know you're happy? Because you think you're happy no? If that's the case... that means thinking you're happy indicates the happiness, then you should actually live your life thinking you're happy than being happy.

Fine... you want my answer I'll give it to you. The meaning of life is to live in it and make memories. Now let's see how you feel when I just answer it like that... like Sinbios did. What I really believe is that no one in the world knows what the meaning in life is... so when I see an answer like "to enjoy life" it just bugs me because it sounds logical but it's not, because it only applies to some people but not everyone. That's the only reason I picked on this answer because other answers are just.... thoughtless answer. I mean this is a huge question if not.... the question. If you wanna answer this you have to... and I mean... YOU HAVE TO concentrate on this question for many many years. Even then you'll still be wondering the meaning of life. Closest thing we have to this answer is... What is the meaning of AI's life? We created them... so does that mean we are some how close to being a God to AI?

I don't know if anyone knows about this but I started a similar thread when this thread was created. I'm glad I had this conversation because I got an A in both my philosophy class and psychology class. But think about the questions I threw in the previous paragraph.... 'cause I'm really anxious to continue this debate.

I think that the meaning of life... is to follow your religion, and thats how the afterlife goes, depending on how your religion has it's rules and all.

I dont have a religion. Lucky me, I dont have an afterlife. But who is going to take care of my Nintendogs then? Tell me who?!

"A's" in class don't necessarily make you a genius; the "make memories" part seems a bit scary, and in my opinion breeds nothing but evil. For some reason I have a feeling that along with the logical reason for war (and such), people like Hitler, Stalin, etc. had deep desire to be remembered. If a person lives with only this goal... the result can be scary.
Similarly, wasting years on The Question seems - wasteful. What good will it do to find the answer right on your death bed.

In my experience, I usually find things when I'm not looking for them or am looking for something else, and never find the thing I'm looking for. That's why I have to go around pretending that I'm not looking, and eventually it'll find me itself

@ Alone: Well, according to Zero it doesn't matter if my answer is wrong because that's my point of view. So what I basically did is exactly what you just did.... left a comment about it. So let's all agree with people. People say answer to this "what is the meaning of life?" has a simple answer. What I'm trying to say was that I believe answer to that question is not that simple. In fact it's one of the hardest question a man/woman has asked. So how in the world a kid like me can find the answer to it when Plato nor Aristotle could figure it out. I think I already mentioned this.

And yes I shouldn't have said anything about the grades. I just wanted to thanks to all the people in the forum to help me with this kinda project. I was comfortable enough to throw in some opinions and listen to the others opinions as well. I'll say this thread was pretty popular... and still is. But I did mean everything I said in here. I actually had a debate with the philosophy professor about this question. He told me some of his theory in that question but he never really gave me an answer nor did I...... so yeah I did mean everything I said. It's just the way people write that confuses me. I usually say "I think..." or "I believe..." but some people just say "The answer is..." What are some of the stuff that make them so sure about that answer? Certainly your answer to this question when you were 4 years old is different from the answer you have right now. So that must mean the answer we have right now will probably/possibly change in the near/far future. Right? I guess I owe an apology for taking things so literally.... but remember wording can be crucial... very... crucial... in a subject like this. Wouldn't you agree?

I never said your answer was wrong - just posting what I thought...

I never said your answer was wrong - just posting what I thought...

That's exactly what I did too. <_<

Anywho.... do you think an afterlife comes within a religion or can people who don't believe in any religion have an afterlife?

That'd depend on which religion people are and what their religion says. And people who don't have any religion would hope that they get some sort of afterlife... I mean, why not, right?

Hey, why do people argue about religion? Why do you want to know why we live? Science, they just give you facts. and it doesnt matter what religion you have because if you look closely, mostly all religions are based on doing good things. If you say why live if were going to die, you could say, why study piano, why eat, why go to school, why pass the success to the next generation, why go to forums, if were all going to die? Just enjoy life and do good things for others.:)

i think that the meaning of life is personal... each one do what they want to do, i don't know if it's the same that "be happy" or "enjoy your life", however, i was thinking: why do we need to give a meaning for our lifes ? , i was searching the meaning of my life for some time and even if i found some (be happy, enjoy your life, the search of the knowledge, get married and have a lot of children, etc...) i don't think that the life must have a meaning... personally, i think that the life it's just life, something so simply that no needs a meaning, it's the humans that need a meaning for their lifes (i still don't understand why but anyway...)

We are only searching for the meaning of life because we have minds. Like I mentioned earlier... if we created an AI to serve us... would it question it's existance? Will it rebel against us? We must have created that AI for a reason just like we were created by something else. But then again there's always and I mean ALWAYS other possibilities and that's why I don't have a definite answer to this question.

the meaning of life ... is to learn how to be a person?

We are only searching for the meaning of life because we have minds. Like I mentioned earlier... if we created an AI to serve us... would it question it's existance? Will it rebel against us? We must have created that AI for a reason just like we were created by something else. But then again there's always and I mean ALWAYS other possibilities and that's why I don't have a definite answer to this question.
If it does "rebel" against us, it is because we allowed it too, not because it "just can"

I must have spent at least an hour thinking this up, so you better read and respond!
I was kidding myself when I last posted, and I now see that I was entirely wrong. People have opinions. They can be on all different kinds of things, from favorite colors to what type of food they like best. But, in this topic, you all seem to have confused opinion with fact and that is why I believe you are arguing. The meaning of life, or even just the idea, is an opinion. It is different with everybody. We all understand that everyone has different opinions, and we accept that. Now I think you all just have to accept that everyone is going to have an entirely different definition of "The meaning of life", and no one person is ever going to be right, and that is fact.

Now, on where we go when we die. I believe we don't go anywhere. From what I have seen and understood in my 17 years on this earth, there is no such thing as physical "souls". The realization of them originated from movies, and they are man-made. Of course, no one can actually say anything on this subject and have it matter. Once again, it is only opinion, and people should recognize that and accept it.

That is all I have to say for now.

If you are "Saved" by The Lord Thy God, you obviously go to heaven. If you're not.. well the other place :heh:

If you are "Saved" by The Lord Thy God, you obviously go to heaven. If you're not.. well the other place :heh:
For all we know, is there even such thing as a god? I'm not exactly an athiest, but I do question the existance of god. What if the bible was made by someone totally different (like a peasant)? How would really know if it is god that is beside you and not your own mind?

Dont underestimate the power of your mind. You never know if what you feel is real or not.

before asking such questions, id recommend seeing " what the bleep do we know?" its really really cool. changed me.

For all we know, is there even such thing as a god? I'm not exactly an athiest, but I do question the existance of god. What if the bible was made by someone totally different (like a peasant)? How would really know if it is god that is beside you and not your own mind?

Dont underestimate the power of your mind. You never know if what you feel is real or not.


Well, the thing to remmeber is that, God is BELIEVING, NOT KNOWING that there is a God and Heaven.

The existance of a "higher being" becomes more obvious the deeper into the sciences, it seems; physics, biology, chemistry, etc...

For example, if energy (and thus mass) cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only be transfered (First Law of Thermodynamics), then where did the ball of matter come from that exploded in the "Big Bang" theory? It had to have already existed or something, since nothing in this universe can be created/destroyed, merely transfered.

This is but one example. The amazing organization of protiens and whatnot (especially something like DNA... wow) are other examples. The deeper I get into it, the harder it is for me to believe that this universe and all of its laws were created by mere chance.

This world must have been created by /something/, that I won't deny. Like Pyramus said, the way everything turned out so perfectly laid out makes it unlikely it happened by chance.

Anyway, take this to Religion.

Something = God in this case. They say the big bang is a theory.. well i havent heard enough "facts" about this for it even it for me to be convinced to be a theory.

since i AM i christian, we all beleve that God created the universe, animals, and HUMANITY. Evolution is justa lie. It's the devil working thru people. the devel used Mendel (or whatever his name was) to come up with a way to laugh at God. the devil guided this man, unknowningly, for odd facts that would seem to be facts..

the devil works thru these scientists and makes people laugh at God, then turn away from God..

Wouldn't this be more in the religion thread?...

Evolution is justa lie. It's the devil working thru people. the devel used Mendel (or whatever his name was) to come up with a way to laugh at God. the devil guided this man, unknowningly, for odd facts that would seem to be facts..

the devil works thru these scientists and makes people laugh at God, then turn away from God..
Har, har har har har har.

This thread is still alive? Sheesh.

Something = God in this case. They say the big bang is a theory.. well i havent heard enough "facts" about this for it even it for me to be convinced to be a theory.

since i AM i christian, we all beleve that God created the universe, animals, and HUMANITY. Evolution is justa lie. It's the devil working thru people. the devel used Mendel (or whatever his name was) to come up with a way to laugh at God. the devil guided this man, unknowningly, for odd facts that would seem to be facts..

the devil works thru these scientists and makes people laugh at God, then turn away from God..

Point is that there is more prove to support Darwin's evolution theory than there is to support the existence of any kind of God or higher being.

i think that saying that the devil works through scientists is a bit too extreme. Look, seriously, Science and Religion would never go together hand in hand anyway, but be reasonable and flexible and you can find a balance btween the two lols.

Evolution is a theory that is widely supported and it is basicly "the" explanation in why the Earth and animals come about. And seriously, the bible on records history 5000 years ago. not that i am disputing God's exisitence, i am however, disputing at the credibility of the Old testament. it is very easy to change a few numbers and words to change the meaning to unblievble porportions.

eg 7 days ---> 7 weeks ----> 7 years ----> 70 years -----> 700 years -----> 7000 years

seriously, a slip in some words and wrong numbers could change the whole accuraacy of the old testment, especially concerning where the creating of the world. since, in the earliest times that the bible was tlaking about, language (written form) had no yt been invented, therefore it was all passed on by mouth, and trust me, human error and exergartaion could change alot of things.

but back to the topic, Life after Death, i believe that God is there, and you have to make the choice to believe or not to believe hefore hand..

another way i like to see death, is just another journey that everyone must take and, you can even see it as a second life or a new adventure if you want, but serioulsy, i see death as returning home hehe..

about the 7 days thing, who knows, maybe to God, 7 days to him is actually 7000 years. It's possible, time to God may be different to the time humans experience.

not too sure what Maestro meant by Mendel being used by the devil to laugh at God... didn't Mendel just work on genetics and the laws of segregation/dominance thing with inheritance? That's not a way to laugh at God, that's actually proving that God exist- to be able to make a being of such complexity.

Being on Earth is just temporary, Life after death.. is heaven! =D

Yes, the Devil working through scientists is just... ignorance.

The meaning of life is...42. ^_^ Haha well if you've seen The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, you'll get it. :heh:

I believe the bible is nothing but the compilation of old folk tales and overactive imaginations. It's no different than pretty much every other fiction book today, except, because it has a HUGE following, it's somehow more important? Come on, that's just ridiculous.

it may be old folk tales to some people, but to others, it represents the truth. There has been lots of evidence that the events recorded in the Bible did happen before.

and I have yet to read "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy", but I thought that 42 was just a number the author liked. =|

I believe the bible is nothing but the compilation of old folk tales and overactive imaginations. It's no different than pretty much every other fiction book today, except, because it has a HUGE following, it's somehow more important? Come on, that's just ridiculous.
It's a compilation of Hebrew tradition, recorded during their enslavement in Babylon.

And you knew the people that took those records? You, personally, can vouch for their integrity?

well to be precise the old testament are the dead sea scrolls(which include the times of babylon), the new testament are books written by the apostles (witnessing the messiah) and are backed up by historical records; thus we get the western calender 0-2005 AD (anno domini).

And you knew the people that took those records? You, personally, can vouch for their integrity?
WTF are you talking about?

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Anyway, take this to Religion. Ok, if someone thinks that the meaning of life deals with religion, fine. But for the others who are arguing over points of religion do what Zero said.


I mainly speak of the fact over who wrote the books in the bible, this has nothing to do with your views on the meaning of life. Don't undemine peoples religion here, do it in the religion thread!!

WTF are you talking about?

Do you even read what you type?

It's a compilation of Hebrew tradition, recorded during their enslavement in Babylon.

They were recorded. Someone recorded them.

Hey, Festivo, myt above post was mainly for you!

Hey, Festivo, myt above post was mainly for you!

Hey, Dimondseraf, there's no v in my name, and you should have said that!
Anyways, taking your advice, I'm going back to the meaning of life discussion.
My views have once again changed over the past few weeks, and now I believe more than ever that the meaning of life is to not be bored. Think about it. What are hobbies for? So people don't get bored. It may be just me, but when some people have nothing to do, that's when they go on killing sprees and end lives that are more exciting than their "boring" one. That's just my opinion, though.

This world must have been created by /something/, that I won't deny. Like Pyramus said, the way everything turned out so perfectly laid out makes it unlikely it happened by chance.

Anyway, take this to Religion.

Perfect you say?..

~

I think we die. Thats it, we die. Nothing more, nothing less.

Wow that was harsh. I don't really know. I'd like to think that we live in a perfect place but I doubt it.

I think Zero is referring to the earth and the life on it, I don't know the exact number but let's just say it is a really low chance that there is another planet with life.

I think the meaning of life is what you make it to be. When it comes to meanings, an individual will come up with their own interpretation. Just like when your analysing a prose fiction; the meaning you draw from it may differ from others dependent on the different things one is exposed to.

I have the answer. But it is in the form of a riddle. :p

"The key to life and death is everywhere to be found, but if you do not find it in your own house, you will find it nowhere. Yet, it is before everyone's eyes; no one can live without it; everyone has used it. The poor usually possess more of it than the rich; children play with it in the streets. The meek and uneducated esteem it highly, but the privileged and learned often throw it away. When rejected, it lies dormant in the bowels of the earth. It is the only thing from which the Philosopher's Stone can be prepared, and without it, no noble metal can ever be created." - Alchemist Riddle

I have the answer. But it is in the form of a riddle. :p

"The key to life and death is everywhere to be found, but if you do not find it in your own house, you will find it nowhere. Yet, it is before everyone's eyes; no one can live without it; everyone has used it. The poor usually possess more of it than the rich; children play with it in the streets. The meek and uneducated esteem it highly, but the privileged and learned often throw it away. When rejected, it lies dormant in the bowels of the earth. It is the only thing from which the Philosopher's Stone can be prepared, and without it, no noble metal can ever be created." - Alchemist Riddle

Interesting riddle, Sept, I must say.

From all the evidence I've seen, I really don't think there is any meaning of life or that anything happens to the mind after death. Death is just that, death. On the other hand, since there is no way of actually knowing what happens after death until we experience it, I can't say for sure whether this really is the case.

The true meaning of life... I can't truly speak for everyone, but I think that we are here to enjoy it. We were made to be used by God. I know that some of us here don't believe that so I will put another explaination. We were made to die. We live, simply just to die again. Simple, huh? But wait, there's more.

We not only live to die, but to change the world around us. We need to make an impression on this world to have truly ' lived'. Someone needs to remember us. Someone needs to hurt from us leaving. We are here to help each other through stuff. Companies help people by giving them jobs and money. Doctors help people live so they can make something of themselves before they die.

I believe that if someone dies and is forgotten, they were a waste of flesh, sweat and blood. That if they're forgotten, they never really lived. How else can we really know something happened? The only way we can ever really know is because things change around us. How do you know that a window was broken yesterday? Because it's still broken today. There's still glass on the ground. How do you know that that very same window was broken three years from now? Because you remember seeing the glass and hearing the sound.

This is just my thought. I, personally, believe that God made us. I believe that God gave us a purpose and everything we need to do what He wants us to. I guess that what I'm saying is, I think that the purpose of life is to enjoy it, and not only that, but enjoy it with others too. The purpose of life is to be happy. Or at least I think so.

Now that that's cleared up, when you die I think you go to a heaven or hell. I think every person has a spirit. I think when you die, your spirit leaves your body. Once you die, you become your spirit. Then you go to God. He judges you on what you have done. Depending on what you have done, you either go to heaven or hell. I'm not going any deeper than that, because the rest ( as they say) is up to God. So in the end, it's either total damnation or total paradise. Okay, I'm done.

All these theories, never-the-less the answer is simple.


To reach the apex of one's own happiness.


As for what happens when we die... According to the laws of nature, nothing can be truely destroyed, only changed. To what we change into...

Hell if I know.

Ok...the true meaning of life is to honor and follow God in every step we take, everything we say and do. Do that and your life will be complete, you will be fufilled and happy within your soul.

Now...when did we first exist?
There are many ideas to this, like the long-day and gap theory ((dont make me go into these lol)) but the only one that actually makes any sense is the Short-Day theory. That is, the stuff it says in Genesis, that God created man on the 6th day. This was most likely an actual single day, not thousands of years as some would lead you to beleive. God first created Adam and then Eve, as is common knowledge. They were 'perfect' as far as human standards go. They used 100% of their brains, couldn't die, so long as they followed God's one command. DONT EAT THE FRUIT!! of course...they did... they brought sin into the world and thus began our degeneration. After this, God put many penalties on us for sinning. There would be pain in childbirth for women, man would have to work the soil to produce food, the man would be the higher up in marriage, and things would become much harder to comprehend ((this is why we only use 10% of our brains now instead of the 100% originally)) Also you can see that the years man lived drastically decreased. Methusalah, a little after Adam and eve lived some 900 years and after him you see man living less and less years.
Anyways....those crazy evolutionists would have you beleive that these fossils they find are dated back millions of years, when, in reality, the earth is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. Evolustionists use a flawed way of dating fossils, which is by using another fossil they prety much just assumed the age of. 'because this fossil is this many years old, this fossil must be this many ears old' when your original variable or whatever if wrong or simply assumed everything else will be wrong after it. its simple math.
It is so wrong for American schools to teach such a flawed theory that is evolution to kids who still dont uderstand alot about the world. They present it as fact even though almost every aspect of it can be proven false easily if someone would just do the research.

Do not take everything your book at school says seriusly without doing your own research. You should always see both sides of the spectrum.

another thing.
Evolution states that we started as a single-celled organism and are slowly perfecting ourselves. Well this is false. We are not prefecting, we are degenerating, nothing goes from chaos to order, from disaster to perfection. It is a simple law of the world.

edit: gah never mind :heh:

Anyways....those crazy evolutionists would have you believe that these fossils they find are dated back millions of years, when, in reality, the Earth is only about 6 to 10 thousand years old. Evolutionists use a flawed way of dating fossils, which is by using another fossil they pretty much just assumed the age of. 'because this fossil is this many years old, this fossil must be this many ears old' when your original variable or whatever if wrong or simply assumed everything else will be wrong after it. It's simple math.
It is so wrong for American schools to teach such a flawed theory that is evolution to kids who still don't understand alot about the world. They present it as fact even though almost every aspect of it can be proven false easily if someone would just do the research.Good! Now let me quiz you:

Question Number One:
Who was it that invented "the way of dating a fossil by using another fossil with an assumed age"?

Question Number Two:
Who was it that discovered and proved that the Earth is "only about 6 to 10 thousand years old". What is the name of the revolutionary method that he invented to help facilitate this discovery?

Question Number Three:
Prove that micro-evolution is wrong.


Evolution states that we started as a single-celled organism and are slowly perfecting ourselves.Well this is false.Of course this is false! Evolution states nothing of that rubbish. Evolution is "the process by which populations of organisms acquire and pass on novel traits from generation to generation". Can you please tell me where you got that "single-cell" quote from?


We are not perfecting, we are degenerating, nothing goes from chaos to order, from disaster to perfection. It is a simple law of the world.There is the Law of Entropy, but there is no Law of Entropy that states order must always decrease. Here is a simple example of something going "from chaos to order": a boiling pot of water cools down. Can you say that the chaotic behaviour of the body of water molecules have not became more orderly?

The true meaning of life... I can't truly speak for everyone, but I think that we are here to enjoy it. We were made to be used by God. I know that some of us here don't believe that so I will put another explaination. We were made to die. We live, simply just to die again. Simple, huh? But wait, there's more.

We not only live to die, but to change the world around us. We need to make an impression on this world to have truly ' lived'. Someone needs to remember us. Someone needs to hurt from us leaving. We are here to help each other through stuff. Companies help people by giving them jobs and money. Doctors help people live so they can make something of themselves before they die.

I believe that if someone dies and is forgotten, they were a waste of flesh, sweat and blood. That if they're forgotten, they never really lived. How else can we really know something happened? The only way we can ever really know is because things change around us. How do you know that a window was broken yesterday? Because it's still broken today. There's still glass on the ground. How do you know that that very same window was broken three years from now? Because you remember seeing the glass and hearing the sound.

Pretty much my same view in those paragraph. Be persistent; even if you know humanity's gonna die one day, or that the people that will remember will die (which they will, no duh).

Just live life, that's all there is to it. Have fun with it XD

i no get this heee heee

the meaning of life?? I've been pondering this questions for like 5 seconds and I have come to the conclusion that the meaning of life is.......
finding love :wub: no not really but pretty good conclusion for the amout of time I spent pondering

The meaning of life is to reproduce to continue the human race.

...IMO.

The meaning of life is to reproduce to continue the human race.

...IMO.

Hopefully I don't change your mind when I say humanity's gonna die off one day. :heh:

It didn't change mine... XD

and what happens when we die?

have you ever passed out?
logically it would feel something like that when we die, just a lot of dark nothing and numbness, endless... after the hallucinations of light at the end of the tunnel of course.

The night I started to think of this I could´nt sleep at all, the thought of death scares the shit out of me because Im agnostic...

this might have been the origin of religion.

The meaning of life is to go heaven. When I die I go to heaven. I have seen a comic panel showing agnostic having question marks above their tombstones.

"The Purpose of Life is a Life of Purpose."

Well, everyone has a different purpose in life. Only we don't know what that purpose is. Only God knows that. When we die, we go to Heaven or **** or we get reincarnated.

when we die, that's it. our thought process freezes the instant we die, and so everything stops forever when we die (for us). just.. back to nothingness. we won't notice we're dead or anything because all of that's stopped. scary huh? but that's probably what happens.


I agree with this. And as for the meaning of life? I never thought there was one.

Ha. Heaven: A false hope for people who live in a world of pain.

Fools.

The meaning of life? I have absoulutely no idea. But I have got this fancy that when we die we become the guardian angel for someone.

See, for everyone that dies, a new one is born. So when we die, we are given a new born and we have to take care of that person until s/he dies. Is like playing with dolls, except that when you ignore them, the dolls can still run off and do things. Ah, that reminds me- I have to do a book report on Amelia Jane.

So anyway, just imagine, that someone right now is controlling your every move and that they have the ability to make it 'game over'......scary.

I think that most people who are unsure turn to religion. It gives them a feeling of purpose. If you truly believe then you think you know what happens when you die. Check out different holy books. Who knows maybe you may convert but they are an interesting read in themselves. If you do it makes you think you were only created to worship.

But to truly think about what happens when you die you must look at how we began. The 'big bang' theory. Particles came together to evolve. Scientists have tried to recreate it but particles just dont randomly come together. Also, how were those particle's there in the first place. It makes me personally think there must be a divine being to make it happen.

So religion says the meaning of life is to worship. Make your own if you want but one thing is sure ( i think). If there is a divine being we will know when we die. ( unless there isnt, but in freezing thought we will know anyway. Sort of)

here to spout my religious dogma again.

i think the purpose for this life is.... ultimately to bring glory to God in what we do. annnnnnnnnd thats alli ve got.

here to spout my religious dogma again.

i think the purpose for this life is.... ultimately to bring glory to God in what we do. annnnnnnnnd thats alli ve got.

I think there must be more to it. I'm not flaming you, for I believe in a higher being, too, but think about this: if God is great and God created us, do you think he did so only for us to praise him? I don't honestly think that God would need us to do that. No, I believe that there must be something else for us...

What? I don't know. I guess you learn when you die, and we can only guess it out...

I read an interesting novel by Jack London called "The Sea-Wolf" not too long ago... I recommend it, quite a good read. Back to the issue: in it, a character called Wolf Larsen speaks of the meaning of life with Humphrey Van Weyden. Wolf symbolized life as yeast, bubbling and bubbling. This movement is life, and the yeast knows not but to bubble. Wolf also changed what "right" and "wrong" were with the same similie: wrong is an action against ones self and right is to strive forward, or it is right to be strong and wrong to be weak, anything that stops yeast from bubbling is an action against its own movement. So, logically, pigishness is right, morals are wrong. Of course im paraphrasing... but you get the point: life is to live, and to protect that which is alive within you.

Well, sorry if you have a headache....
-Ripple out.

The meaning of life? I have absoulutely no idea. But I have got this fancy that when we die we become the guardian angel for someone.

See, for everyone that dies, a new one is born. So when we die, we are given a new born and we have to take care of that person until s/he dies. Is like playing with dolls, except that when you ignore them, the dolls can still run off and do things. Ah, that reminds me- I have to do a book report on Amelia Jane.

So anyway, just imagine, that someone right now is controlling your every move and that they have the ability to make it 'game over'......scary.

wow. i think a small element of that may be true. Just asking:Are you pikachu and together?

The meaning of life is to live it...I think. Go out and go mountain biking, ride a horse, head to the movies, or watch the sunset. So much to do in life, so little time.

Any as for the afterlife, I'm gonna say theres something there. I can't pove what but I 99% sure that there has to be a place where souls go.

I am sooooo tired. must.... keep.......... typeing................... -_- drifting off...... oh. right. afterlife? I hope there is one! Imaine just dieing and being buried and just lying there forever. Soounds final but thingk deeper. Forever... the next century. No afterlife. Bummer. Even after the earths destruction just nothing. Its too big to think about! My head is all owwie. I'm falling asleep. (its 12:55 here)

Don't fall asleep just yet...

It just seems that as artisic, loving and kind the human spirit can be, there just has to be someplace it goes. Seriously, the feelings and actions and motivations we have are so complex that the soul just can't die with the body. I mean I'd settle for reincarnation if I have to.

i did fall asleep sowwy. i got about an hour and a half. I'm refreshed! I'm planning to do an all nighter. Would you beleive i get up at 4:30 every morning to talk to my american freinds? If only they did that fr me.... no I wouldn't expect that.

I am not sure what happens when we die

4:30 AM! your crazy... Im lucky when its 10 here they are getting home from school!

DNA if thats true how can our population be growing? dosent that mean there are alot more puppets that pupeteers?
(If this has already been said sorry I just skimmed over the last page)

every 3 seconds our population increases by 8: 3 people are born ever second and 1 dies every 3.

Hey I know this thread died, but I just want to say >> 42.

well first there is no right or wrong we live because we exist sadly enough our lives dont make much of a impact in history humanity has been a live how long? we havent even been on the earth for a blink of a eye so we are kinda insignoificant but at the same time we are valuable in the sense that we have the ability to think and reason at a higher level then im hungry eats animal that we can all sit down and think of some explenation for this question but yeah srry i tend to rant when im hungry :sweat: so meaning of life well life is what you make of it we dont really have a purpose to serve we create our own paths and we choose what to do with our lives its the results that matter and what is after death well simply there is the religious version and the non-religious version A)we die got to hell/heaven B)we die and our bodies decompose and continue the process of death and rebirth as other organisms feed from our corpses i personally prefer option A gives you sommin to look forward to but meh thsats just me ^___^ but hey if someone would like to discuss this more in depth im me lol i enjoy these kind of conversations :)

here to spout my religious dogma again.

i think the purpose for this life is.... ultimately to bring glory to God in what we do. annnnnnnnnd thats alli ve got.

i believe that too and then after life is heaven or hell.

Hmmm...interesting question, I've thought about it before but the truth is I don't know, no one knows...

Some say we go to heaven,hell,limbo and some say that's it, we get buried and then our skin rots and worms eat it...I go the morbid way :) Because I wouldn't know until I die. I guess the world really wouldn't know unless one person dies, gets buried, and comes back to life to tell us, which of course will never happen >.<

The meaning life eh? I think that people were here to somehow contribute to the world and try to make it a little bit better to live in :) I also think that as some of you to say, to reproduce and advance and to take over other worlds if we ever find any hehe :D

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