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http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=811 <-- Check out the tutorial and a bunch of other threads scattered in this section of the forum, and you'll be sure to find a wealth of information.

Yes a tutorial is a very good idea but since I'm french, I don't understand anything... -_- I would like to have this kind of thing^^

I had an idea of a song yesterday. I started fooling around and I got this (its not that good but what can you expect from a n00b?)

What the hell was that? :blink:

I suggest coming up something a bit less..."there's a cat on the piano" sounding. Try finding a simple chord progression and developing some kind of melody to match it if you're just a beginner. Sure, it won't be a masterpiece, but it'll at least sound listenable (is that a word?) and give you something to work with.

What concerns me is that it's labelled "idea 11" which means s/he had 10 other songs before this. Also, it's funny, but somewhere behind all that smashing and "IWANNAPLAYTHEPIANOMOMMIE" I heard a hintch of Ode to Joy. Am I losing it here or...?

Oh ye Gods, you're right...same rhythm, some of the notes may have been the same...that's not right.

Really? Even if it was I didnt mean it to be. *the file name was men to be Idea_1, I noticed it was 11 last night...*

EDIT - I have a problem. When ever I do anything, art, writing, talking.. I can think im done but a day later I say im not. Its a big problem when it comes to painting and I hope it wont when it comes to writing songs.

My melody thing is "done". After listening it while thinking of Ode to Joy, it does sound similar. Not the same though. I dont think theres anything wrong with a song habing a similar rhythm...

I was re-re-reading the comments. The 1/8th cords I wanted, I wanted a spontainous sound.. A "OMG thers a cat on the piano" I didnt... And im not "really" a beginner. Ive had my share of music theory and all those chords progression stuff. I just never tried to put it into a formal song...

But thanks! Im going to put all those tips into my next song/idea, what every that may be.

Sounds very choppy, not rhapsodic, choppy-as in a bad sence of the word.

Hmmm... Do you know anything that could fix it? It might be the way its wrote or is it the pedal I wanted but couldnt get?.. *Im using anvil studio and I cant find the pedal option X_X*

EDIT - I was playing my piano and I got a little tune while I was playing from chords and notes. Wrote it down and I added some strings in the background... I want some comments before I get to far. I finaly decided I dont want to work on this one anymore. Lost any liking to it...

EDIT - got bored and tried to tie in an ending. It is crappy! Can someone help me on endings?

*or just lazy*

even though you lost any liking it, it's much better than the one you posted before. It is still rather random, but in a... much more tolerable degree :unsure:
as for your ending... there is one? I played it for about 5 minutes before I noticed that it's repeating, which is quite the sign that you need to do something (I presume you don't want it to be looped?). The listener has to notice that the song is drawing to a close, simplest way would be to use a cadenza.

O.O; The return of the dead! Matt's here!

:think: should I be offended being called a zombie..? well, I'll forgive you this once <3

(Plans on making friends with Matt, good composer. :lol: )

Anyway.. The song you posted seems a little more polished, but it still seems random and like it wasn't.... Hmm, leading anywhere.

Try to figure out melodies and use chromatic layering as well too.

Or he could try using a little thing called effort.

Yes, actually just the other day, I was on the way to the store and picked some up. Well, obviously that's fake, but I've noticed I'm needing to put more effort into my stuff too.

Anyway, agreed with Setti.

Lol, effort. Im not taking this composing stuff to seriously because the last time I did that with somthing I wanted to change my job for the future *tehehe painting*

Now, I do get better. Some "real" tips instead of just saying "give more effort" would be a little better.

*Im just pumping out all the stuff thats in my head. Like this:*

Incomplete song im working on. I want some opinions and ideas and other things..

Etude- I don't know much about Etudes, so I can't say anything. :heh:

idea_3- Bit Random... Try keeping everything to one melody... instead of putting one part next to another part (measures 4-5).

EDIT: I meant theme when I said melody.

One little acronym you need to keep in mind: KISS

You appear to be trying too hard to harmonize you music by adding an unneeded amount of pitches per note. Your ideas could sound more effective if you were to cut back on all the pitches per note you have. Try to limit this to one or two pitches per note, three or four at most for something like a whole note or quarter note.

Another thing to address, your randomness. To try and avoid this, write out your chords in your notation software and try to sing a melody along with the software as it plays back, keeping in mind of what we first talked about. Remember, sometimes the most simple rhythms are the most effective. After you are satisfied with your melody, play it back and try to sing something that would counter that melody nicely. Then after that play it all back and see if you can touch anything up.

I hope what I have said makes sense, seeing that I have not been thinking straight today. :lol:

There is potential there, keep cracking at it!

Okay, thanks!

Its sorta hard not to try and elaborate on chords though for me. A chord with only 2 notes always sounds empty to me, but one with 3 or 4 sound so full and fancy, but Im trying!

*you didnt tell me what KISS ment..*

Etude- I don't know much about Etudes, so I can't say anything. :heh:

idea_3- Bit Random... Try keeping everything to one melody... instead of putting one part next to another part (measures 4-5).

EDIT: I meant theme when I said melody.

Hmm, any better? I did take out a section to replace it. I sorta like it but its a bit repetative and I sorta liked how it was sounded random but "really" wasnt *like Brubeck's blue lake tahoe*

But im basicly happy with this one. DONE DONE

Better with the theme part :) .

*you didnt tell me what KISS ment..*

You never heard of KISS?

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid!

:lol:

Just an idea. I want to make it into three parts.

[based on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FolliesBergereTableau.jpg) painting]

You started off with an acceptable motif, but then it got random when your bass part came in.

Around 6 seconds, it didn't sound right...

Umm, about that. I have a giant problem with bass. I was planing on going back and trying to fix it but school X_X

HELP

Not much people can actually help you, it's really up to your ears, creativity in music and being honest to yourself. So good luck. ;)

I'm quoting that and putting it in my signature. That's the perfect advice.

True, but you need the background of theory to write good, per se, music.

I have a short attention span when it comes to writing music, so I'm giving up that theme. If someone feels like it go ahead and steal whats there, just give me credit.

You really don't need much theory other than the really basics (i.e. knowing the length of notes, accidentals and clefs), theory is just guidelines that were proved to be successfully applied in the past throughout, and some people even claimed that these guidelines were made to to be broken.

True.

Just so everyone knows I wanted the bass a bit repetative.

The dead has risen!

I just did this for fun. Sounded a bit funny so I went on then I got random-block [?]

It took me three times to find the Frere Jacques theme. :mellow: Your harmonization is also very unorganized. I have a feeling you wanted to do something atonal, but atonal still have forms and patterns or some sort of structures, but in your variation, it was just a big clump of sounds.

I'm the father of radicalism.

lol

I said it was random. I'm still only half way into my technical studies with my conservatory teachers, so when it comes to making music with structure I'm totally lost lol. Weird how I can spot musical structure, harmonies and stuff almost instant when I play music.

But yeah, it is a pile of crap. But thanks for taking the time to listen to it three times :D

I didn't say it was a pile of crap or "omgit'ssohorrid", I was just trying to say that it could be better developed. But don't worry, I've heard worst.

I think.... for the most part, you have good ideas, you just need to plan things and have a little more patience. That's the key *wink*.

:P Random. Yes, it could be worse. (It got worse at meas. 3).