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Sepharite
May 24th, 2006, 09:56 pm
I tried to ask someone out but it was soooo bad... so, she said to try again tomororw. Anyone have tips? To make her melt? In spanish perhaps? >.>

Luis
May 24th, 2006, 10:01 pm
If she said try again, and she wasnt being sarcastic im guessing she likes you.
So just be yourself.

Cause im bored ill put any other peoples responses in spanish ok?

septermagick
May 24th, 2006, 10:01 pm
Um...Why don't you give us a little more details. Maybe what you did do or what you know about the girl. And I agree with Siul

Sepharite
May 24th, 2006, 10:13 pm
She told me she likes me. I held her hand today and yesterday =S But we aren't officially going out as I was too chicken to ask her out. Heh.

She's a good pianist. She's cute. But why does it matter? How much you flatter (exagerrate) her is what counts >.>

And lol. What does that mean Siul?

M
May 24th, 2006, 10:14 pm
The term Going Out is merely words used by close friends announcing their friendship. What is the difference between a boy/girl-friend and a very close friend. Nothing other than romance (which, even then, that is still possible).

septermagick
May 24th, 2006, 10:18 pm
You could use her interests and figure at a way to do something that she will appreciate. Something that lets her know you are listening. For example, my English teacher loves elephants and wants to go ride elephants in India. So I bought her a elephant bank with the basket to ride in and everything. I cut a little person out of paper and drew it to look somewhat like her. I told her that it was to store the money she was to save for India.

Luis
May 24th, 2006, 10:18 pm
Is she a spanish speaker? you seem not to be so I think its best to leave the spanish for later so it looks like something funny and not an idioic attempt to flatter her.

I have never ever asked a girl out (shoot me ok) but if you have to kiss her butt (not literaly) then that relationship is going nowhere, just be you, a simple "wanna go to the movies?" should be enough since she seems to already like you.

Sepharite
May 24th, 2006, 10:19 pm
Asking someone out is commiting yourself. It's like a first step or second, depending on what you did before? >__>

And romance is quite a big step from friendship, I think. Maybe not, this is my first time ._.

Luis
May 24th, 2006, 10:19 pm
You could use her interests and figure at a way to do something that she will appreciate. Something that lets her know you are listening. For example, my English teacher loves elephants and wants to go ride elephants in India. So I bought her a elephant bank with the basket to ride in and everything. I cut a little person out of paper and drew it to look somewhat like her. I told her that it was to store the money she was to save for India.

No wonder you get good grades in english<_< (joking)

Neko Koneko
May 24th, 2006, 10:20 pm
If you post Spanish then put up a translation.

About the subject, if she told you to try again she's not taking you serious. In fact, it sounds like she's mocking you. If she really wanted to go out with you, she'd have accepted after your first try. If she doesn't want to go out with you but wouldn't mock you, she'd have turned you down. This seems like mockery to me.

Sepharite
May 24th, 2006, 10:25 pm
Heh, nah, we're pretty pretty close - held hands, she sat on my lap... She also tells her friend to tell me to ask her out (and make it final or something) but I'm a chicken. So, heh, I guess she just wants something to remember. Meh. =P

White_Angel
May 24th, 2006, 10:25 pm
Just follow your heart and ask her again. If possible make a poem for her.

If you do follow my advice tell me how it went.

Luis
May 24th, 2006, 10:29 pm
I think the poem thing is kinda cheesy

Even if you dont follow Midgetsage's advice tell us how it goes ok?

an-kun
May 24th, 2006, 10:36 pm
whoah er don't do anything cheesy like poems unless you're really good at writing them. All you do is say she looks pretty and ask her whether she wants to go out with you. You don't need to do anything grand. And if you want to ask a girl out in another language use french since that is the so called language of love.

White_Angel
May 24th, 2006, 10:39 pm
Fine, don't do the poem thing but still follow your heart and say the right things.

Al
May 25th, 2006, 03:08 am
Maybe she wanted to give you another chance to ask her out in a better or more romantic/memorable way?

Sepharite
May 25th, 2006, 04:24 am
She hates poems so... nah. Lol. Thanks though!

And her friends bugging me again to ask her again. So, I'll have to. Horay! Wish me luck! =P

pifish
May 25th, 2006, 05:02 am
Good luck, and If you want you could try this interesting French line: "J'ai beaucoup des herpes" Pronunced: "J'I bowcoo de erpe" (I can't be stuffed using the IPA) It means "I have many/much" And the last bit loses a lot in translation, although interestingly enough that word is the same in Spanish and German.

Luis
May 25th, 2006, 06:16 am
What? what word in spanish do you see there?

tom_from_winchell
May 25th, 2006, 08:21 am
sooo, was it a yes or no?

Neko Koneko
May 25th, 2006, 06:02 pm
What? what word in spanish do you see there?

Funny, there were four Spanish lines on the first page. Guess whoever posted them removed them.

Luis
May 25th, 2006, 06:28 pm
That was me. I thought about it and it seemed more appropiate to remove them than to translate them.

I meant


Good luck, and If you want you could try this interesting French line: "J'ai beaucoup des herpes" Pronunced: "J'I bowcoo de erpe" (I can't be stuffed using the IPA) It means "I have many/much" And the last bit loses a lot in translation, although interestingly enough that word is the same in Spanish and German.

Zach
May 25th, 2006, 07:11 pm
What a strange thread. It's like that asking someone out to a prom all over again.

Watch these 3 immortal words that'll help you seal the deal if she was serious:




Get ready, it'll shock and astound you.




Here it comes..







Anyone need a spoiler tag for this? I think so.






Ready?




Here it comes..





Watch it.






You sure you're ready?Here it comes..In two more spoilersSeriously..One more..''Let's go out''

It's amazing, isn't it?

If you really have to go with some quirky alternative plan .. Just give her a plain card with those words on it.

Dramatism only works in the movies.

Sephiroth
May 25th, 2006, 07:18 pm
haha the man zach knows what its all about. more than anything girls love guys with confidence. so whatever you do don't act half assed or shyly in what you do. be full of confidence man and keep a smile on your face. if your already close then it shouldn't be that hard and if the friends keep pushin you it means the invites there. I would have thought along the same lines as angelic though thinking its mockery but if you messed up 1st time and she was serious about saying come back tomorrow then this time round you have to do it with full confidence and no stumbling of words. keep ya cool man you can do it B)

Sepharite
May 26th, 2006, 12:35 am
What a strange thread. It's like that asking someone out to a prom all over again.
.....
You sure you're ready?Here it comes..In two more spoilersSeriously..One more..''Let's go out''

It's amazing, isn't it?

If you really have to go with some quirky alternative plan .. Just give her a plain card with those words on it.

Dramatism only works in the movies.

LOL! Loser!... that's what I said =P She wants something more romantic... ._.;;

I'll ask her/my g-friends... see what they like >.>

White_Angel
May 26th, 2006, 01:08 am
So your telling us you failed again.

Sephiroth
May 26th, 2006, 06:18 am
dude if you did try again and fail here's a tip for ya:



give up and walk away. you like her? don't act like a loser and stop chasing.

ive known enough girls in my life to know that this girl is the type that once your with her she'll have you wrapped round her finger and bending over backwards to have every command of hers fulfilled. to try again and get i want something more romantic. give it a break love. if she truly likes you but wanted a "romantic asking out" then walk away and she'll come and ask you out. give the impression you've lost interest and she'll crap herself thinking oh no what have i done. but honestly dude stop going back to do things her way and change each lil tiny detail. a mans gotta keep some pride and dignity in him and you cant have her strip that away from you

Luis
May 26th, 2006, 06:18 am
Im thinking he hasnt asked again... since the girl wants something more romantc... sounds like shes just messing with you. If she really did wanna go out, Zach's method should be more than enough.

Dead Panda
May 26th, 2006, 06:35 am
Here is it. The non-intimate, lets be friends method of asking someone out.

"So yeah, wanna hang out sometime?"

That it. Simple as that. End of Story. Always works for me.

Then again, its me.

Luis
May 26th, 2006, 06:42 am
lol

an-kun
May 26th, 2006, 08:32 am
LOL! Loser!... that's what I said =P She wants something more romantic... ._.;;

I'll ask her/my g-friends... see what they like >.>

Either that girl is toying with you or she's one highly-demanding class A princess/bitch. A romantic way of asking her out? What kind of excuse is that?! Even if you do manage to end up going out with her, don't you think she's going to be very demanding during the relationship? Is it really worth going out with her factoring this in? I'd only really do that if she was a total babe who every guy wanted to out with. Zach's way really should have worked on a normal girl.

Neko Koneko
May 26th, 2006, 12:20 pm
Hear! Hear!

Zach
May 26th, 2006, 02:28 pm
Bring that hard rock, hallelujah. This girl is weird. Romantic asking out? Only happens in the movies, buddy boy.

Edi:- I have said this already, haven't I?

Shezmeister
May 26th, 2006, 02:30 pm
^yeah, just stick your tongue down her throat;)

Zach
May 26th, 2006, 02:33 pm
Whoa. Let us not get caught up in potential sexual harrassment scenario's.

I don't get the having a romantic asking out segment. Sure, the actual date could be.. but the asking out??

You could always try what that guy did to get Sydney's attention in Scream.. 2? Sing a song to her in the cafeteria. That'd be neat but will probably onlyend in tears.. from hard laughter. Bye bye Mr. Rep.

Movie romance for life! Out to sucker people into doing embarassing things.

Asuka
May 26th, 2006, 07:55 pm
LOL! This thread is funny. Though before I was going out with my girlfriend we held hands alot too, and if people asked why we just said its cuz we like each other. Now, I was waiting to ask her out cuz I needed to know about some future issues, but it came to the point where we HAD to go either farther or break it off. So I said it in eight simple words, "Hey hun, will you go out with me?" and she said yes. Anyways, I wouldn't take that "Ask me out again tomorrow" shit from my girlfriend, I'd be like, "Whatever, if that is what you want, your not worth it." But only because I already take ALOT of shit from girlfriend to the point where I don't even talk to her for a few days.

Maestrosetti
May 26th, 2006, 08:41 pm
Either that girl is toying with you or she's one highly-demanding class A princess/bitch. A romantic way of asking her out? What kind of excuse is that?! Even if you do manage to end up going out with her, don't you think she's going to be very demanding during the relationship? Is it really worth going out with her factoring this in? I'd only really do that if she was a total babe who every guy wanted to out with. Zach's way really should have worked on a normal girl.
Maybe he's just trying to get some action. ;)

Zach
May 26th, 2006, 08:48 pm
It's good to be bad.

an-kun
May 27th, 2006, 12:13 am
Maybe he's just trying to get some action. ;)

If you want action, a girl like that ain't gonna give it to you. Only works if you're the one in control.

Luis
May 27th, 2006, 01:32 am
If you want action, a girl like that ain't gonna give it to you. Only works if you're the one in control.

Means: You gotta be on top^_^

wolfsrain201
May 27th, 2006, 03:28 am
How on earth do you flater someone??

an-kun
May 27th, 2006, 10:10 am
just pick out a positive characteristic of that person e.g. if the person is smart, tell them they're smart, if they're good-looking, tell them they are. Any sort of praise works.

Asuka
May 27th, 2006, 10:16 am
Oh by calling them pretty or if they ask you a question of which color they look better in or something you reply "Babe, you look good in anything" Pretty much you just make them feel good about themselves. But at no time EVER do you want to make it seem you are desperate. You can't constantly compliment someone, especially if your not even dating cuz then that is showing her you just wanna get in her pants. Though don't do anything corny like writing a poem or something. Don't even settle for giving her a box of chocolates cuz if she says no your left feeling like a dumbass holding a heart-shaped box of chocolate.

an-kun
May 27th, 2006, 10:30 am
Ok the one thing that stumps me is that how come it's all the people from england giving sound advice? XD Is England the new country of love? No...that's absurd...something's wrong here...:think:

Sephiroth
May 27th, 2006, 10:39 am
here's another piece of advice that will come in handy going on what asuka is saying.

I was the nice guy type and still pretty much am, but I used to be a guy that done everything nice and would never say anything mean to a girl. if they wanted a compliment they knew they'd always get it off me and I always used to make them feel so good. thats why they'd always go off with 1 of my friends. being mr buttkisser never works. girls like a man who takes charge or at least something where they feel that they haven't got control over you yet they want it. if you don't give it to them then they'll want you even more.

say some mean stuff to them time to time but playfully. if they mention that they didn't get up in time because they were too busy doing something else then i normally say something like you lazy bitch, you should be up earlier if you knew you was going to be late. don't say it in a serious toone but playfully and it'll make them smile. if they want you to do something for them only do it 5% of the time other times just say do it yourself. these things keeps them on their toes. it took for me to get burned badly by my ex to learn this.

i got to the stage where i didn't care about girls anymore so id just be friends and if they wanted to take advantage of my niceness i wouldn't give it to them next thing i knew is more and more were getting attracted to me. trust me it works.

pifish
May 27th, 2006, 10:40 am
Ok the one thing that stumps me is that how come it's all the people from england giving sound advice? Is England the new country of love? No...that's absurd...something's wrong here...

No it's still those countries like France and Spain, don't forget: "J'ai beaucoup des herpes".

Sephiroth
May 27th, 2006, 10:47 am
herpes? that's a sexually transmitted disease

you need to put a translation there pifish. you should know that by now

an-kun
May 27th, 2006, 10:48 am
no they have the language of love. We've got the Art of seduction :shifty: I think it's probably better using " belle madomoiselle, Je t'adore"

pifish
May 27th, 2006, 10:54 am
I don't know "Donnez-moi des herpes" Might work well.

EDIT: I really should get my French dictionary out...

Asuka
May 27th, 2006, 10:55 am
@ an-kun: Well I just live in England... I'm really an american.

@ Sephi: I couldn't agree more. You can't give in to what they say, otherwise you just become their bitch and once they get bored with you they go to find some other guy to play their fool. My girlfriend can be like, brutally mean to me at times, and I just return the fire. Though I can only go so far before she gets mad at me. She calls me a queer tho, and that sorta starts to piss me off and well I know I'll get slapped up if I call her a tease (from experience). So I settle for less offensive insults.

pifish
May 27th, 2006, 11:01 am
Okay before I get my arse flamed for spamming: Call her "Ma petite Chou" - My small cabbage, apparantly (according to my French teacher) that's a sign of great affection (at least in France).

Zach
May 27th, 2006, 11:48 am
You guys make me laugh :D J'abite d'la meat.

an-kun
May 27th, 2006, 11:57 am
@asuka - oh yeah i forgot that. But there's still sephi and zach.

@pi-fish - i guess this all only works if the girl can understand french.

Luis
May 27th, 2006, 12:04 pm
or enjoys jibber-jabber.

wolfsrain201
May 27th, 2006, 01:35 pm
all of you are so experienced:sweat:

Marlon
May 28th, 2006, 01:42 am
Haha. That girl's an asshole. XD

wolfsrain201
May 28th, 2006, 02:07 am
Haha. That girl's an asshole. XD

I am???:(

X
May 28th, 2006, 02:13 am
No no no no no I think Marlon is talking about the girl that Sepharite wants to ask out XD

wolfsrain201
May 28th, 2006, 02:16 am
No no no no no I think Marlon is talking about the girl that Sepharite wants to ask out XD

I hope so..:unsure:

Sepharite
May 28th, 2006, 03:09 am
HAHAH! Thanks for the... odd suggestions. But this is what I said:

Her: So, would you take this risk with me? Are you willing?
Me: Life is about taking risk... regardless whatever happens, it'll be a life lesson so... I am willing... to let my life hang on a piece of thread for you. =)

PWN'D

So, yeah, it's official now! haha, ahem.. anyways, keep giving suggestions just incase someone else needs it! >_>

White_Angel
May 28th, 2006, 03:11 am
Congrats after two days of being rejected and finally going out.

Luis
May 28th, 2006, 03:14 am
HAHAH! Thanks for the... odd suggestions. But this is what I said:

Her: So, would you take this risk with me? Are you willing?
Me: Life is about taking risk... regardless whatever happens, it'll be a life lesson so... I am willing... to let my life hang on a piece of thread for you. =)

PWN'D

So, yeah, it's official now! haha, ahem.. anyways, keep giving suggestions just incase someone else needs it! >_>

Thats the crap they say in movies... and I keep imagining a girl say it....
Wouldnt a "yeah, lets do this" or the like have been sufficient?
Sorry it didnt work out.

Sepharite
May 28th, 2006, 03:20 am
Heh, ya... I know, it's weird. We technically were already going out, we held hands, did all the weird couple stuff... but she just wanted me to do it for fun. She's weird. Yeah. Oh well, it was fun.

X
May 28th, 2006, 03:54 am
what happend? you went out and now it's over? huh?
*is confused*

Asuka
May 28th, 2006, 09:06 am
Playing her fool is not the way to go dude. When she gets bored with you, she is going to start going after another guy in the same way. If you really like her and you want to keep this going (like sephi said) You gotta keep her on her toes. Don't play her fool.

Sephiroth
May 28th, 2006, 02:06 pm
well i think alot of us saw that 1 comming i was going to comment saying good luck because she's going to be high maintenance but by the looks of things she was so high she's gone. well dude don't play her bitch carry on with a smile on your face and show her what she missed out on. and if she wants to hold hands as friends dont give her that satisfaction. leave her wanting you now

yousee
May 29th, 2006, 07:08 pm
Sephiroth seems to be really smart in this. (but then he's got experience). I had the same experience as him about being mr nice guy and trust me (or seph) IT DOESNT WORK. Otherwise they think your boring and then they say.

We're just friends.

and you go

:mellow::hey: :sick: :crybaby: :crybaby: :heh: :heh: :cry: :cry: :cry:

and then

:hunter:

an-kun
May 29th, 2006, 08:16 pm
actually mr nice guy works if you're good-looking enough.

Zach
May 29th, 2006, 08:49 pm
Works for me. B) Always gotta be a little bit arsey though. Just enough to make her think she can change you. But do not.

crackthesky
May 29th, 2006, 09:48 pm
actually mr nice guy works if you're good-looking enough.

Mr. nice guy doesnt work for me =[

I have to be mr. shy guy.
then they come running XD

Sephiroth
May 29th, 2006, 10:00 pm
even mr shy guy dont work. its more mr cocky and mr playful put down. hell knows why they work but they do. i refused to get into those dirty leagues for so long. haha why i stayed single for so long. the moment i tried it so my luck changed. the playful put down works i guess so that when you do compliment them it goes to their heads and they think wow he means it rather than just being a yes boss person

edit- then again mr shy guy normally pulls the loud and over confident types. those types of girl have wayyyyy to much energy for me to handle. my ex had a bit too much energy and complained everytime there was a silence. "isn't this silence awkward". heck i thought it was romantic to be hand in hand just holding her in a nice silent mood just feeling that sense of nostalgi. but nooooo something always had to happen. meh i need to find me a girl that doesnt involve so much of my energy. i wouldnt of minded so much but i was 17 and she was 21 x_x

an-kun
May 30th, 2006, 09:43 pm
hmm I don't get why being nasty to girls make them like you....so weird...

Zach
May 30th, 2006, 10:38 pm
Don't have to be nasty. Just don't be overly nice. Treat her like a goddess before you even go out and it makes her think she actually is above you. So bugger that. Besides, we're teens (well, me not so much anymore :( 20 is old)
Just have fun.

crackthesky
May 31st, 2006, 12:22 am
Just have fun.

Oh boy.
Fun.
Is that what they;re calling it these days?



I'm having a bit too much fun...

DiamondSeraph
May 31st, 2006, 12:26 am
:lol:




You know, this thread seems so familiar. anyways from what I've, read most of Sephiroths advice is on point.

Toshihiko
May 31st, 2006, 08:55 am
I'm not sure what it is, but keeping quiet publicly about your exploits is usually good. I never tell or show people what I can do so when they find out it seems to surprise them -.-
it all depends on the preferrence of the person. You can't label them as shy guy and such because that's just being objective of women. I don't know what I do but I get a lot of attention now days -.-;
Though there's only one girl for me =D
Loyalty= very important.
you have to also show early in the relationship that you have people close to you that are girls or later it'll bite you in the ass -.-

Zach
May 31st, 2006, 08:20 pm
Oh boy.
Fun.
Is that what they;re calling it these days?



I'm having a bit too much fun...

You can never have too much fun.

crackthesky
May 31st, 2006, 09:32 pm
Until you get STD's.

Then I think you should tone down the fun.

Sephiroth
May 31st, 2006, 09:52 pm
wow. you really come up with random shit dont ya. thats what makes you so unique ^_^

Zach
May 31st, 2006, 10:04 pm
Until you get STD's.

Then I think you should tone down the fun.

No way. Have fun spreading the 'love'!

Edit: Ain't never gonna happen, touch wood. B)

Toshihiko
June 1st, 2006, 07:13 am
Let's tone it down... someone is trying to genuinely ask for help.
Uh... just saying it seems like she wants to date you anyway so don't worry too much, just be yourself ^_^

Deadly Love
June 10th, 2006, 04:32 am
She told me she likes me. I held her hand today and yesterday =S But we aren't officially going out as I was too chicken to ask her out. Heh.

She's a good pianist. She's cute. But why does it matter? How much you flatter (exagerrate) her is what counts >.>

And lol. What does that mean Siul?
Actually, not really. Just be yourself and be honest to her. If you can't tell it straight to her personally, then tell her in the phone or through a letter.

Roxas
June 15th, 2006, 01:30 pm
heres one for all of u, what should i do if the girl likes me but she has a guy and im single, i dk if shes just messing with me or what anymore...

Deadly Love
June 15th, 2006, 04:30 pm
omg, same thing, be urself, if she really likes u then shell break up with him

Roxas
June 16th, 2006, 10:26 pm
Well i went out with her once, my best friend went out with her sis and she dumped him and he got jelous caus i still had my girlfriend so he made up a bunch of lies about me and told her, i told her i didnt say any of the stuff and she believes me now and she hates him now and so do I, i dk if u understood what i said but oh well, i care about her like crazy tho, this sucks tho and she likes that guy 2 along with me.

Asuka
June 16th, 2006, 10:31 pm
Dude, think of it this way. If she leaves him for you, whats your gaurentee she won't leave you for another guy later down the road? Your tredding in dangerous waters there buddy.

Deadly Love
June 17th, 2006, 12:23 am
Well, just kinda prepare yourself. So then, when she does, it won't hurt so much.

Asuka
June 17th, 2006, 11:55 am
It will always hurt alot, no matter how much you prepare yourself. Though, in your situation I would probably go for her too, but it would be out of false hope. I would hope she wouldn't do the same to me, but even though I know she will.

Roxas
June 18th, 2006, 01:25 am
u both got a point, it sucks tho having him back stab me. but i dont want her to do that to me again.

Roxas
June 22nd, 2006, 02:43 am
i dont know whats gonna happen anymore, we kissed yesterday and im not even supossed 2 be on 4 a month so it might b a while, she just came up 2 me and kissed me, she told me she loved me, im just gettin more confused now, anyway ill b back in a month, ill b on at random times hopefully.
ps. can some one halp me? anyone?

Milchh
June 22nd, 2006, 06:54 am
Ok, to get you off your confused path..

1. Do come Soul Searching.
2. UN-Cloud your mind.
3. Find your confortable thoughts
4. Just 'hang' with her, don't HAVE do be some intimate staring-in-the-eyes or w/e thing

Like.. I don't know for sure-but when your confused, just tone your thoughts down.. be a hippie..

Asuka
June 22nd, 2006, 04:25 pm
Hold on...she came up, kissed you and said she loved you...and what did you do? Just stand there? Those kinds of things dont happen very often dude. You shoulda kissed her back and then asked her out. You had her man, and you just let her go?

Milchh
June 22nd, 2006, 04:55 pm
Yea wait, WTF. He kind of pointed it out better for me.

Yea, WTF^M8.

~~~

'Tis weird.

Roxas
June 23rd, 2006, 01:16 am
heck yea i kissed her back, i should have asked her back tho, i was to cought up in the moment, i know im stupid, im gonna ask her this weekend tho. i might call her tonight when she gets back home.

Asuka
June 23rd, 2006, 09:17 am
duh duh Don't ask her out on the phone. Big no no. Gotta do it in person, otherwise all romance is ruined and replaced with awkwardness.

Roxas
June 24th, 2006, 03:47 am
im seein her tomorrow
so i can do it then.in the mean time c ya

Roxas
June 24th, 2006, 08:33 pm
never mind, i couldent c her 2day :( this sucks.

Roxas
July 6th, 2006, 04:46 am
Im just gonna give up on her. im gettin tired of having my heart broken by her, i may still love her and she may claim to love me too but i just dont think shes gonna let go of her guy. ive tryed to ask her out but she says "what am i suposed to do about him".

Asuka
July 6th, 2006, 12:36 pm
1. Edit buttons are very useful.
2. She was a tease anyways, it's for the best that you let go.

amie
July 16th, 2006, 12:19 pm
i really learned a lot from the guys here :shifty: maybe i can get advice here in the future hehe. :teeth: just that isn't love suppose to be give and take?:kiss: why be rude? anyway i guess it really depends on the person and the situation.

peace :punk: