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an-kun
July 25th, 2006, 07:52 pm
final word to you all.
TRY NOT TO BE LATE! If you're in trouble with trains, phone whoever's number you have.
If I'm late....er...that's me for ya! :heh:
DarkMagician
July 25th, 2006, 08:38 pm
hahahaha~~~
youre not gonna be late!!!
youre not a late person.....so far that i know.....
Spoonpuppet
July 25th, 2006, 09:31 pm
Hahaha, looking forward to meeting everybody TOMORROW!!! Yes, that's it! Tomorrow!! Whoooo. :D Angelic and I bought some Haribo (yay, more haribo) and chocolate raisins... and jaffa-cakes, but I think they're his.
An-kun, I have no idea where we're meeting! Angelic can prod me.. I know I read it all somewhere, but I've forgotten. :heh:
And yay for indestructible cake!
*excited, but should be sleepy to get up at 6am tomorrow*
Neko Koneko
July 25th, 2006, 10:31 pm
Spoon and I have a bet going. If I eat more than half (=18) of the Jaffa cakes I pay her lunch. If I don't, she pays me lunch.
Free lunch for me :D
Spoonpuppet
July 25th, 2006, 10:33 pm
You and your jaffa cakes... <_<
Neko Koneko
July 25th, 2006, 10:45 pm
Jaffa Cakes :D
Neko Koneko
July 26th, 2006, 05:00 am
And it's bloody 6 in the morning, time to get up, time to get ready, leaving in an hour XD I hardly had any sleep at all x_x
Madmazda86
July 26th, 2006, 08:06 am
Sorry guys, there's no cake :( I came home yesterday to discover that there's no self-raising flour in the house and the shop was shut X_X
Sephiroth
July 26th, 2006, 08:44 am
haha all these people that have to start travelling already
Noir7
July 26th, 2006, 09:09 am
I want pictures :ph34r:
Sephiroth
July 26th, 2006, 06:17 pm
wooo 1st to touch back home ^_^ it was a gooid time and i kicked an-kun and angelics butt in the racing games who da man :P
DarkMagician
July 26th, 2006, 06:53 pm
sounds great!!!
shame i coulnt go =(
haaiiii.........hopefully next time XD
there.....will be a next time right?????????
Dark Bring
July 26th, 2006, 08:02 pm
It is great to have met you people. =D
Fi-chan
July 26th, 2006, 08:10 pm
so hot and tired today.......but v.v.v.v fun!
so cool to have met fellow members!
an-kun
July 26th, 2006, 08:17 pm
whoah ho ho you only kicked mine and angelics butt because the drift thing wasnt' working! And I'm a crap driver XD.
@noir7 - I think most of us forgot to take pics >_< Think Maz got the only group pic? but we're not posting it up here are we? *hides*
It was great meeting all of you! It's knackering looking after all of you though XD How many times did I have to find lost people?! Thanks Dark Bring for guiding us!
DarkMagician
July 26th, 2006, 08:27 pm
*sniff*.....no pics!!! thats really not god enough!!!!! ank, hun, wheres your memory gone!?!?! and if i remember it correctly, youre the one who asked people to remember to bring cameras!!! haha~~~ XD
oh well....nvm, glad you guys had fun.
ank, still a bad drvier???????
an-kun
July 26th, 2006, 08:30 pm
well i was the one keeping track of the group. Seriously ask maz XD We were too busy chatting to remember apart from when we visited the touristy places.
DarkMagician
July 26th, 2006, 08:59 pm
hahahaha~~~
ic, ok then, forgivable!!!
Neko Koneko
July 26th, 2006, 10:31 pm
wooo 1st to touch back home ^_^ it was a gooid time and i kicked an-kun and angelics butt in the racing games who da man :P
I beat you first, and the second time... I don't know, I just couldn't get the drift to work x_x that was so frustrating, lol. In the end it's a tie now, whenever we can we'll have a rematch ;)
And no pictures online T_T I don't want my mug posted on the internet.
Sephiroth
July 26th, 2006, 11:00 pm
man the 1st time you beat me you over took me right at the finish line i was way ahead of you for the entire race.
i havent got any complaints about my pic being posted up so i believe unless the others have got any complaints its all good to post up the other pics so long as it doesnt include spoon or angelic
Neko Koneko
July 26th, 2006, 11:04 pm
That's not relevant though, I passed the finish line first. I beat you in my first game while you had played before :D *rub rub* :comfort:
random_tangent
July 27th, 2006, 09:12 am
LMAO.. thanks Maz for our running text-message commentary XD Although you switched from calling DB Dark Bring back to calling him Red Stone :P
Thorn
July 27th, 2006, 09:13 am
god...what am i doing up so early? *is tired*
was good day though :) great meeting everyone and stuffs.
sorry if i was a bit quiet... dont really cope with the heat at all- we should have a winter meet :P
glad people got back oki
Neko Koneko
July 27th, 2006, 09:37 am
Winter meet in Brum around Christmas :D
Moonlight_stalker
July 27th, 2006, 09:43 am
sooo tired... O_o but yesterday was good!! If it wasn't as hot it would of been much better!
Hahah already planning the next meetup huh? XD Hm... i wonder if i could go to that one too...:think:
Spoonpuppet
July 27th, 2006, 10:38 am
Yeah, it was too hot, so I probably acted a bit grumpy at times, lol.
The races between Angelic and Sephi were really close :P And who was it on the DDR again? Midnight? I've never seen somebody do it "properly" in real life, but what are you? A machine?!?!
Maz and Darkbring talked about medical stuff a lot. Darkbring was an excellent guide, but when he had to go, we started losing each other and An-kun and Maz had to herd us up again.
Bombombcloud, Midnight and Fi are also quite dangerous as a group because they seem to greatly enjoy destroying pieces of rubbish and tissue at restaurants and dunking them in 7UP while prodding the concoction with a fork.
Neko Koneko
July 27th, 2006, 10:41 am
And they feed Sephi lemonade with salt in it :o
Spoonpuppet
July 27th, 2006, 10:42 am
*cough* Actually, Thorn put the salt in it I think...
BombomCloud
July 27th, 2006, 10:43 am
:heh: I was tired and very hot!!! But it was very fun!!:lol: But I had a headache before I got to bed. x_x
Oh, it was a pleasure to meet you guys. I can't believe me and Moonlight are the same height! Well, Moonlight is bit taller than me! x_x
@Darkbring : Thanks for the Herbal Tea. ^_^
@Angelic and Sephiroth : You guys are sooooooooo tall!!!!! @_@
What are Darkbring, Angelic and Spoony do after me and An-kun left?
Neko Koneko
July 27th, 2006, 10:48 am
Went to a pub B)
BombomCloud
July 27th, 2006, 10:49 am
^.^ You guys didn't drink much, did you?
Neko Koneko
July 27th, 2006, 10:50 am
I was soooo pissed when we left :drunk:
BombomCloud
July 27th, 2006, 10:53 am
:drinking: I went for walkies in Greenwich and then to Surrey Quays. It was a really lovely sunset there. The water was cleaner than the Thames.
Neko Koneko
July 27th, 2006, 11:03 am
*cough* Actually, Thorn put the salt in it I think...
Those are irrelevant details :bleh:
Sephiroth
July 27th, 2006, 11:37 am
man that drink was disgusting a almost threw up. it tasted like dilute paracetamol sp?
BombomCloud
July 27th, 2006, 11:40 am
I couldn't believe how much salt was in there. :think:
Madmazda86
July 27th, 2006, 11:50 am
Hey, I was a victim too! I had to eat those pizza crusts after you guys dumped all those seasonings on it - okay, I didn't HAVE to eat it but I still did anyway. It was nasty XD And I was stupid enough to drink some of that lemonade as well, though I only had a sip and that was bad enough, whereas Sephi drank half the glass. And OMG, Sephi's so blimmin' tall and his arms are twice as thick as mine - I need to do more exercise if I wanna actually beat him in a race up the escalators :bleh:
And me and an-kun played air hockey. It was a draw - I demand a rematch! I ran out of money so I had to go home earlier than I planned, and my bus broke down in the middle of nowhere so I didn't get home till about half nine, haha - oh well, it was a fun day and it was great to meet everybody! Sorry if I talked nineteen to the dozen, I guess I was compensating for all the quiet people :P Though the heat got to me a bit as well, I told rantan we were in Pizza Hut when we were actually still in Starbucks. Damn you Dark Bring for having too many names - I get confused! And your psychoanalysing my eye movements thing was kinda cool even if I didn't really understand it, LOL. I had fun doing eye tests on people - Angelic's eye movements are very bizarre indeed!
I think next time we'll have to put doggy collars on everybody and give an-kun a bunch of extendable dog leads so we don't lose everyone again ;)
BombomCloud
July 27th, 2006, 11:59 am
It was funny when An-kun kept hitting the thing of the table.:lol:
And there was no Time Crisis 4 in Trocodero!:cry: I got home at 9:45 and I blame it on the 255 bus.:ranting:
Madmazda86
July 27th, 2006, 12:03 pm
Also, regarding photos, it'll probably take me a century to finish the film and get it processed so don't expect them any time soon XD I have group shots, and other random pics. I did take one of everyone on the bridge - and nobody's actually facing the camera, it's back shots only. So that one could go up on here :P
DarkMagician
July 27th, 2006, 02:21 pm
man ...... you guys did a lot of crazy stuff!!! glad that it was a fab day!!! ^_^
a winter would be nice.....i have more excuses to get out...haha, but then again, if its anywhere far from london, i have no excuses to go XD
Thorn
July 27th, 2006, 03:45 pm
*cough* Actually, Thorn put the salt in it I think...
Yeah I did... but i had no part in feeding it to anyone else :bleh: i just decided not to mention about the salt when other people fed it to Sephi :lol:
an-kun
July 27th, 2006, 04:47 pm
It was funny when An-kun kept hitting the thing of the table.:lol:
It was funny when Bombom hit the lampost XD!!!!! :lol:
Yeah I'll leash you all and yank you into line next time! mwahaha!
Yeah I don't want my ugly mug posted up.
@spoony - it's moonlight, not midnight XD
BombomCloud
July 27th, 2006, 05:08 pm
It was funny when Bombom hit the lampost XD!!!!! :lol:
HEY!!!:glare: I'll get you for that!!! That hurt!!x_x
Moonlight_stalker
July 27th, 2006, 06:24 pm
Bubs, i gotta congratulate you on trying to beat up an-kun, after you ran into the lampost. hahaha XD
DarkMagician
July 27th, 2006, 08:11 pm
ran into a lampost??? >.< that mustve hurt a LOT!
BombomCloud
July 28th, 2006, 11:37 am
Yes...:cry: Well, I was talking to An-kun and I didn't notice the lampost was there. So I sort of walked into it (the side). He kept laughing "I was just thinking of it", so I decided to beat him up. :P
Thanks Ben
DarkMagician
July 28th, 2006, 01:59 pm
hahahahaha~~~
and ank didnt warn you about it....thats just too mean!!!
BombomCloud
July 28th, 2006, 02:46 pm
:yes: What time did you get home, Dark?
He's so mean! :( :upset: >.< =_= =x_x
an-kun
July 28th, 2006, 06:40 pm
well from my angle i turned round as i heard an "ooof!" and bombomcloud wasn't beside me anymore...then i had to double back to see her which was kinda funny XD
DarkMagician
July 28th, 2006, 08:51 pm
hahahaha~~~
bless ya all!!!
BombomCloud
July 29th, 2006, 11:56 am
<_<
Sweetest moment: Moonlight hugs An-kun:bigsmile:
aznanimedude
July 30th, 2006, 01:49 pm
:P awww...good job ank :P well if i mad money...i'd go too, someday...i'll go with ya guys on one of those meetups
BombomCloud
July 30th, 2006, 08:55 pm
Someone had 5 pizzas on their plate. :lol: I could only eat 3. :P
Spoonpuppet
July 30th, 2006, 09:33 pm
Sweetest moment: Moonlight hugs An-kun:bigsmile:
*agrees* Yes, very sweet and cute and all that jazz. ^^
And Darkbring had what... 10 slices of pizza in the time that it took Maz to eat 3 minus the crusts, lol.
Dark Bring
July 30th, 2006, 09:41 pm
:ph34r: I have the appetite and the mass of a black hole. :ph34r:
Thorn
July 30th, 2006, 10:01 pm
lol!
pizza is great though to be fair
Neko Koneko
July 30th, 2006, 11:17 pm
I ate more pizza than anyone :eat:
Sephiroth
July 31st, 2006, 12:01 am
man I would of ate more than anyone and dark bring really tempted me to take him up on the eating challenge but I gotta try and stay healthy and in shape so I had to back down and let you 2 battle it out
Dark Bring
July 31st, 2006, 12:03 am
T_T I was in a rush to get to the airport! >_<;
Madmazda86
July 31st, 2006, 09:20 am
Man, you sure know how to get your money's worth out of a Pizza Hut buffet XD
Thorn
July 31st, 2006, 10:35 am
lol... i didnt eat too much, because a) i didnt want to be throwing up on the journey back, and b) im on a diet :P
still have to love the pizza though *pokes pizza*
Moonlight_stalker
July 31st, 2006, 11:28 am
lol... i didnt eat too much, because a) i didnt want to be throwing up on the journey back, and b) im on a diet :P
still have to love the pizza though *pokes pizza*
You're on a diet?! no waaaaay... you're slim enough though!!!
Madmazda86
July 31st, 2006, 11:34 am
Yeah, you're as skinny as me!
BombomCloud
August 1st, 2006, 10:24 pm
I went pass the hungry thingy and so did Moonlight. I actually didn't feel hungry when we ate at Pizza hut.:P
@Angelic : How many pizzas did you eat?
PFT_Shadow
August 5th, 2006, 10:43 pm
i wish i had been around. sounds like you guys had a great time.
if this winter meetup is happening that would be great
Eternal
August 9th, 2006, 07:11 pm
I ate more pizza than anyone :eat:
*takes note*
eating lots of pizza makes you grow tall like Angelic~
Jaso
August 16th, 2006, 11:00 am
wow sounds like so much fun! (I'm too shy to meet up)
an-kun
August 19th, 2006, 09:20 am
Is Maz's pics ready? :P
Madmazda86
August 20th, 2006, 09:27 pm
Wagh, everyone's asking - I'm going to Cornwall this week, I hope to use up my film then and get it processed by the weekend ^_^
Jaso
August 20th, 2006, 09:29 pm
thanks Maz
DarkMagician
August 23rd, 2006, 10:19 pm
maz going to cornwall??? sounds great!!
just came back from there not a long time ago.....nice place it certainly is!!!!!
PFT_Shadow
August 23rd, 2006, 10:22 pm
Wagh, everyone's asking - I'm going to Cornwall this week, I hope to use up my film then and get it processed by the weekend ^_^
theres a biker feastival there from thursday, and foke music to boot
Thorn
August 24th, 2006, 12:42 pm
yay! photoness!
edit: was Maz the only one who took them?
Moonlight_stalker
August 26th, 2006, 02:05 pm
haha i think so, i brought a camera, but never took photos XD opps..
BombomCloud
August 26th, 2006, 02:16 pm
*Rolls on the floor laughing*
Madmazda86
August 29th, 2006, 08:42 pm
I got my pics back! I'll scan them in tomorrow ^_^
Moonlight_stalker
August 30th, 2006, 10:26 am
yeaah!! tomorrow is well.. today! i'm gonna look so bad in those photos XD, please don't post any up, well ones showing my face.. heh
can we see some of your Cornwall pics too? *big puppy eyes*
Sephiroth
August 30th, 2006, 02:25 pm
man i have never looked so bad in photo's before in my life. i think the only 1 i looked good in was the group photo. the day was really fun though ^_^
Moonlight_stalker
August 30th, 2006, 02:31 pm
yeah i don't mind you posting up that picture, can't see anything which is good XD
i look so bad in the group pic in troc! haha
Dark Bring
August 30th, 2006, 02:43 pm
AHAHAHAHAHA I have nothing to hide.
Sephiroth
August 30th, 2006, 02:44 pm
you've got nothing to show either XD
Dark Bring
August 30th, 2006, 03:23 pm
Ninja-vanish! *poof!* :ph34r:
Thorn
August 31st, 2006, 09:09 am
lol! i look like a total psycho in the pics :P
it was a really kewl day though :)
Madmazda86
August 31st, 2006, 10:05 am
Heehee, glad you guys liked them - I'm still waiting to hear from an-kun, Fi-chan and BomBomCloud about whether it's okay to post that pic, but when I have I'll fling it up ^_^
Moonlight_stalker
August 31st, 2006, 07:19 pm
An-kun should be back on the 2nd-3rd sep, I can remind fi-chan and bombomcloud, cause i don't think they've been on ichigos for a while now.
I wonder if we're gonna have a Xmas meetup?! ^_^
Neko Koneko
August 31st, 2006, 07:49 pm
Probably, in Birmingham
melzii
September 1st, 2006, 04:18 pm
Birmingham?! Omigosh, that's so much closer to me than London!! But still...probably won't be allowed anywayz.....
Fi-chan
September 1st, 2006, 05:47 pm
wah! sorry been holding everyone up about the photo thing!
ditto to everyone who's mentioned about looking psychotic/weird/funny/and any other negative word in the world.......can't believe i missed out bad.......in the photos.......
an-kun
September 3rd, 2006, 07:43 am
yah i replied now! sorry about holding you all up!
BombomCloud
September 3rd, 2006, 01:13 pm
Sorry peeps. Been quite busy with college stuff. :\
Madmazda86
September 3rd, 2006, 06:14 pm
No worries guys, thanks for getting back to me and glad you all liked the photos however cheesy you looked XD And it's up in Post Your Picture now ^_^
Thorn
October 27th, 2006, 04:30 pm
is the Xmas brum/london/wherever meet still going ahead?
Neko Koneko
October 27th, 2006, 06:27 pm
I haven't heard it wasn't. Brum meetup, whooooo ~
Brum > London
London is too big and busy T_T
DarkMagician
October 27th, 2006, 10:43 pm
too far for me (_ _)
Thorn
October 28th, 2006, 09:24 am
*shrugs* I'm okay to do anywhere :)
cant really say much though because I know Brum much better that London- actually living there and everything :P
random_tangent
October 28th, 2006, 10:09 am
Anyone willing to meet up when I'm over June(ish)- end of August next year? Because thatttttt would be great! ANd my only chance to meet you lot, lol
Thorn
October 28th, 2006, 04:01 pm
*raises hand* i would be willing :)
although ask much much nearer the time haha
Dark Bring
October 28th, 2006, 04:27 pm
Anyone willing to meet up when I'm over June(ish)- end of August next year? Because thatttttt would be great! ANd my only chance to meet you lot, lolDepends on where you are, I guess. Shetland is a mite too far, but the weather would be lovely in summer, lol.
Jaso
October 28th, 2006, 11:19 pm
Love to!!! Where wwould it be?
DarkMagician
October 29th, 2006, 01:02 am
ran tan coming to the UK? no way im gonna miss that!!! unless its somewhere other than london and brighton.....................
random_tangent
October 29th, 2006, 08:32 am
I'd suggest London since that seems to mostly work for people in the summer, lol. And... uhhh... i wanna see it. Yes, the person that is me will be invading your country next year!
Spoonpuppet
October 29th, 2006, 09:54 am
*not looking forward to another mega-bus journey*
Now Angelic's gonna tell me again: "Hey, I was on a mega-bus for 14 hours when I went to meet you the first time!"
HanTony
October 29th, 2006, 10:22 am
how long would it be on mega bus from birmingham to london?
Neko Koneko
October 29th, 2006, 10:30 am
*not looking forward to another mega-bus journey*
Now Angelic's gonna tell me again: "Hey, I was on a mega-bus for 14 hours when I went to meet you the first time!"
Indeed, and it was packed too. No stupid Dr. who kids though, thank goodness.
Thorn
October 29th, 2006, 01:39 pm
how long would it be on mega bus from birmingham to london?
took about 3 and a half hours for me when i went to summer meet.
if you end up coming we can get it together or something *nods*
Spoonpuppet
October 29th, 2006, 07:24 pm
Ooh, didn't realise there were more people from/in B'ham. ^^
Indeed, and it was packed too. No stupid Dr. who kids though, thank goodness.
XD XD XD Dr Who!! Lol. Can't stop giggling when I think back to it. Although it was very annoying at the time, with these obsessed kids talking about Dr Who for over 2 hours... and then they were there on the bus back!! Lol. XD
HanTony
October 29th, 2006, 07:39 pm
just how do strangers meet each other in a stange place surrounded by millions of people?
Spoonpuppet
October 29th, 2006, 07:42 pm
Easy, you just say "let's meet here at this time", give everybody your mobile number, and some group leader holds a sign saying "ICHIGO".
HanTony
October 29th, 2006, 07:45 pm
"ICHIGO sign"
sounds embarresing, so it wont be me.
Luis
October 29th, 2006, 08:01 pm
someone should wear a T-shirt that says:
"Id rather be posting on Ichigos"
Neko Koneko
October 29th, 2006, 08:56 pm
Ooh, didn't realise there were more people from/in B'ham. ^^
XD XD XD Dr Who!! Lol. Can't stop giggling when I think back to it. Although it was very annoying at the time, with these obsessed kids talking about Dr Who for over 2 hours... and then they were there on the bus back!! Lol. XD
At least on the way back you were asleep. I had to listen to those same kids laughing all the time. It really took something to not turn around and shout "SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST!" you know?
edit: and I'm putting a lock on this, meeting's been like 3 or so months ago by now, time for a Christmas meetup thread :sorc:
edit2: not locking, just unsticking. This can be for talking about the past summer meet, lol. NOT for discussing next summer meetings or the christmas meeting.
an-kun
October 29th, 2006, 09:09 pm
"ICHIGO sign"
sounds embarresing, so it wont be me.
since I was the group leader meetup thingymajig last time, I had to run around like a lunatic shouting out "ichigos rules!" so that people knew where we were meeting.
hehe well that would have been funny. people just vaguely knew what i looked like and i knew what the others vaguely looked like so we just end up recognising each other.
Thorn
October 30th, 2006, 11:24 am
lmao! i wasnt around at the point you were shouting this! was this when we were on our way to the station or something? :P
BombomCloud
October 31st, 2006, 01:10 pm
since I was the group leader meetup thingymajig last time, I had to run around like a lunatic shouting out "ichigos rules!" so that people knew where we were meeting.
hehe well that would have been funny. people just vaguely knew what i looked like and i knew what the others vaguely looked like so we just end up recognising each other.
I thought that was you walking around in the station....-_-
Jaso
November 1st, 2006, 06:21 pm
where/when are the photos up on this forum?
Neko Koneko
November 1st, 2006, 08:10 pm
Somewhere in this topic I reckon.
Jaso
November 1st, 2006, 08:14 pm
I'll browse ^_^
so is this getting locked then?
BombomCloud
November 2nd, 2006, 07:24 pm
Somewhere in this topic I reckon.
I can't find it. :\
Moonlight_stalker
November 2nd, 2006, 08:06 pm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/madmazda86/LondonMeetup06/LondonMeetupBacks.jpg
Heres the pic that everyone agreed to posting up. The rest Jaso, i'm sorry but you're not going to see, as you did not go, and will not be posted up.
Enjoy.
Neko Koneko
November 2nd, 2006, 10:03 pm
I'm on the left, but now I'm slimmer and my hair's looonger XD
edit: I was wearing my animecon 2006 shirt then XD but you can't see in the pic.
random_tangent
November 3rd, 2006, 07:05 am
I assume Maz was using the camera, since I can't see her! I think I've seen pics of most people anyway, lol.
an-kun
November 3rd, 2006, 11:43 am
Is it just me or does that little kid look like he's staring at angelic's butt?
Neko Koneko
November 3rd, 2006, 02:58 pm
He was planning to steal my bag!
Jaso
November 3rd, 2006, 05:58 pm
I'll post my pic. I'm a bit embarrased because I'm almost overweight and you are so skinny! Oh and I might speak a little funny because I'm german...
Where's the pic posting thread?
(Post a pic of yourself thread) or something...
Neko Koneko
November 3rd, 2006, 06:00 pm
http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=486
Jaso
November 3rd, 2006, 06:19 pm
*done*
hasn't this thread served its purpose?
BombomCloud
November 3rd, 2006, 10:47 pm
I think it has now. Angelic, would you like to lock it?
an-kun
November 4th, 2006, 05:16 pm
This thread is for reminiscing about the meet-up so I don't think Angelic will close it. It's meant to be for discussing stuff about it.
Jaso
November 5th, 2006, 10:07 am
he said he would (somewhere).
Neko Koneko
November 5th, 2006, 10:20 am
And change my mind. Why does everyone think they're mods these days?
Jaso
November 5th, 2006, 10:22 am
-_- if we were mods we would do it ourselves -_-
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