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Final Darkness
July 6th, 2006, 05:08 am
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6239/notes2ld.jpg

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!

Milchh
July 6th, 2006, 06:22 am
I wouldn't know, but I think those are 'drops.'

Look up those.

Sir_Dotdotdot
July 6th, 2006, 06:50 pm
Are those tremolos (tremoli)? o.O I have no idea how to play it... But I've seen it somewhere... :\

Zikiru
July 6th, 2006, 08:47 pm
^No, it's not the tremolo, I know that much.

I'll try and look up information on this..

Maestrosetti
July 6th, 2006, 09:52 pm
What exactly are you asking how to play? Two notes at once?

Zikiru
July 6th, 2006, 10:39 pm
No, I'm pretty sure he's talking about the top notes.

Final Darkness
July 6th, 2006, 11:04 pm
If it helps, that's from Monti's Czardas. What's confusing me is there's what seems to be half notes on top and quarter notes on the bottom. When I just play the double stops, it sounds horrible. I've also watched some Czardas played on youtube and the people there did some sort of harmonics on this part.

Milchh
July 7th, 2006, 03:09 am
Yea, I am staying with my guess. Those are Drops.

Egmont
July 7th, 2006, 07:31 am
They are harmonics, I believe. False harmonics, that is; harmonics that you make yourself. That's going to be quite hard.

I've had limited experience with harmonics myself, but, from what I gather, you put two fingers on the same string. Press down where the black note is, and put your finger where the top note is, as if you were checking the harmonic of the string. The point is to cut the string into a fraction to create the effect of a harmonic. Thus, instead of having the harmonics in the same place, you are moving them around yourself.

If you've never done them before, I would suggest practicing on the regular harmonic (halfway or a fourth of the way up the string) until you can get a nice sound, and then try to create your own. In first position on the violin, you can get to the harmonic on the fourth by resting your pinky on the right place (B on the E string and so forth). From there, try to keep your pinky and index the same distance apart and move up, pressing down with the index finger and resting the pinky. It should make the sound of the note be an octave higher than it is.

If you already know all about harmonics, then I appologize for explaining it so in-depth. But what's written up there are, I believe, false harmonics. Good luck! They're not easy..

an-kun
July 7th, 2006, 09:51 am
I think it's probably easier to play the bottom note on the G-string and the harmonics on the D-String where the note is indicated. To play a harmonic on the violin, you have to just touch and not push down the string to get a sound. It's quite a difficult technique to do and you have to move your bow fast enough so that the string doesn't screech. It's a pleasant sound if you get it right but it'll make you cringe if it screeches.

I'm not sure whether Egmont plays the violin but I think they are harmonics. I play the violin to a quite high level so that's just my advice on technique. Harmonics are a pain in the ass to play.

Egmont
July 7th, 2006, 10:44 am
Well, I assumed that they were false harmonics because he said when he played them with a double-stop they sounded awful, and if you played both notes at once then it would produce the same harmony, even if one was a harmonic. That's why I suggested it as I did.

Some more info on false harmonics from Wikipedia:


Artificial harmonics are more difficult to produce than natural harmonics, as they involve both stopping the string and playing a harmonic on the stopped note. Using the "octave frame"—the normal distance between the first and fourth fingers in any given position—with the fourth finger just touching the string a fourth higher than the stopped note produces the fourth harmonic, two octaves above the stopped note. Finger placement and pressure, as well as bow speed, pressure, and sounding point are all essential in getting the desired harmonic to sound. And to add to the challenge, in passages with different notes played as false harmonics, the distance between stopping finger and harmonic finger must constantly change, since the spacing between notes changes along the length of the string.

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Elaborate passages in artificial harmonics can be found in virtuoso violin literature, especially of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Two notable examples of this are an entire section of Vittorio Monti's Csárdás and a passage towards the middle of the third movement of Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto.

Final Darkness
July 8th, 2006, 06:32 pm
Sweet, this is going to be fun!

Thanks alot, it makes so much more sense now.