Seriously what is up with Sony? making a system probably only the rich can afford.

you know, my next platform im going to buy is currently tied between nintendo and sony. however, that price tag on the PS3 is kind of a bummer...

ps3...dual monitor support *drool* I can finaly play shooters without people looking at my screen!..now I just gotta round up the cash....or should I save for a 360...I hate this :(

Maybe their target audience is rich people and those who love them so much they will buy anything they make now.

Sony wasnt all to great. They didnt make the good games just the system.

Well, its actually coming out here at about the same price the PS2 was when it came out, and the same price as when the PS1 first came out (or so I am lead to believe).

Its not that its expensive, its that its price stayed the same, while others dropped.

Plus, you are getting what you pay for. Pure awsome, in a shiny silver box

The system is going to be around 700 euros over here I think, which is more expensive than the 550 euro they asked for the PS2 during the launch.

They know the stupid FF fanboys will buy the bloody system anyway so why not raise the price a bit?

http://xs103.xs.to/xs103/06283/evoponejoy.jpg

This thing is 80 USD (679.99 UDS) more then the PS3 (600 USE) but hell, at least your not leashed by Sonys copyright crap, you can upgrade everything like you can a regular PC and you can play PC games on it (its also doubles as a media computer).

I would spend that much on it if I had the money for all those reasons and it looks nice.

LOLOLOL WE R TEH SONY WE MAKE TEH BAD PEOPLES FALL DOWN

If you look at it in a simple view it can easily boil down to pure arrogance. That's what it seems like, at least. I have trouble believing that the company is really that stupid; maybe this will work after all. But I don't think the fanbase they're counting on is quite enough to keep their number one position. That price is anything but mainstream, and with Nintendo targeting most mainstream audiences, and Xbox already picking up the American hardcore audience, Sony's going to have a hell of a lot to prove. And at E3 it didn't seem like they proved what they needed to.

Of course, Sony is acting very similarly to how Nintendo was before the N64 launch. I saw an ad for the N64 which touted the line "You can't buy this yet," and aimed to play off of people's desires for the system, saying that "the wait will make it all the more better to play." Then the PSX came in and kicked the N64's ass, and Sony came out on top. Now, it seems like the tables are turning. It'll be an interesting generation, that's for sure.

I think it will be an intresting generation. We all know PSP is dead and DS is the pwnage, but will the Wii do anygood? Its a good conception but.. it gets "borring?". Sony decided to incorperate motion sensing with thier PS3 and because the 360 came out a little too soon IMO, its the only first part without motion sensing. I think that will mean more games will come out for the PS3 and Wii while 360 will be left dry.

Another factor is price and when it comes out. The 360 is relativly cheep and is already out, and sales arent to shabby. The PS3 and Wii come out around the same time, yet the Wii is 1/3 the PS3's price.

I think MS and Sony are going to lose to Nintendo.

RD got a link/esplanation to that evo thing? never heard of it before.

www.joystiq.com

Its on the front page. Then on there theres a link to some other site about it.

I think it will be an intresting generation. We all know PSP is dead and DS is the pwnage, but will the Wii do anygood? Its a good conception but.. it gets "borring?". Sony decided to incorperate motion sensing with thier PS3 and because the 360 came out a little too soon IMO, its the only first part without motion sensing. I think that will mean more games will come out for the PS3 and Wii while 360 will be left dry.

Yes, it's true that motion-sensing is the main thing that the Wii has. And Sony has it now too. However, one must look at the types of games and gamers that the systems will reach for. Sony will have limited motion detection, but they will be used in the same old games which appear on Sony's systems like Final Fantasy etc. It's great news for people who like those games, to have such an exciting upgrade, but in my opinion the style of control isn't enough to fufill what Nintendo was trying to do, which is why Sony's weak attempt at copying them won't work as well.

The games which will come out for the Wii will be aimed towards that mainstream audience. Games which involve cooking, tennis, conducting, etc etc will be on the Wii, not on the PS3. In addition, the Wii's motion sensing is a much bigger focal point than the PS3's, which means that it'll indefinately be used in more games and in more interesting ways.

As for the 360, I think that American developers are really starting to make more games for that, and so it's got lots of support. Of course, it doesn't look like the 360 is going to gain any foothold in international markets, since it's mostly American stuff. So in Japan it won't be much of a contest. But over here is a different story.

I also think it's hilarious that one can by an Xbox 360 AND a Wii for the same price as one PS3.

ah who gives a damn about the price.
Just wait it out for a year or something.
Because for sure the ps3 itself is not going to be perfect during launch day.
It might have problems that the 360 had.

I sure give a damm about price, whats gonna stop em for putting a 900 dollar pricetag on the next one? if you wait for that price to come down you micht aswell wait for next gen.

Yeah, I don't think it'll be for a while. Sony is losing money on each system that they sell right now; only when technology becomes cheaper will they start to make money off of the systems they sell. And when that happens I don't think that they'll want to drop the price and lose even more money. So, while it certainly WOULD be wise for them to drop the price in 2007, there exists plenty of reasons for them not to.

I think they pretty much shot themselves in the foot with this one.

The 3DO was priced $700 at launch, and the games were pretty expensive too. So....the PS3 price is not THAT bad plus with the technology they are using.

The high price is, from what I understand, caused cheifly by the inclusion of a Blu-ray player, a new and quite expensive technology. The graphics are of course quite good as well, but the difference visually between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 is not very noticable.


Despite a highly-promoted launch and a host of cutting-edge technologies, the [3DO's] high price ($699.95 USD at release) and an over-saturated console market brought the 3DO to a speedy demise.

I think the Playstation will enjoy much more success than the 3DO for obvious reasons, but the success of past expensive consoles is limited.

I'm so sorry about this post but i have to do it (Ban me if you must)
"She's my sex machine and her name is sony."

Sony is a tough call, when talking about game systems, between nintendo (microsoft's xbox, for all i care, can burned in all in hell) but if you are talking about computers, there's better but sony is mostly cheap when it comes to desktops but is laptops (from my view)
are top noch. Also, sony is has really video and sound equipment.

*disclamer*This is my personal view. When i post, i try to be as bias free as possible but i had to share my personal thoughts on this one.These is some new i'm trying.

I wasn't planning on buying a ps3 anyway so sony can... how do they say... shove it up their ass?

The high price is, from what I understand, caused cheifly by the inclusion of a Blu-ray player, a new and quite expensive technology. The graphics are of course quite good as well, but the difference visually between the PS3 and the Xbox 360 is not very noticable.

That is true but the fact is that it is still over five hundred dollars. It does have expensive parts but Sony does need to learn that such a great leap in technology from their pervious system will lead to many bad things happening. One of them is the leap in price. Another is problems with game developing because the technology is diffrent.

A very impotant one is that not everyone has HDTV or what ever it uses.

Exactly. And the Blu-ray player is even more esoteric. Blu-ray discs are basically the "next medium" for DVD movies. They play in HD. The problem is that there is ANOTHER medium coming out called HD-DVD or something, which is rivaling Blu-ray. But is it worth it to go out and buy a new format? Well, I'm sure the movies look nice, but the price of admission is rather high.

Sony is jacking up the price for the new graphic-producing technology as well, but when you compare PS3 screens and 360 screens, is the difference really worth 200~300 dollars? Hell no. The difference between the Wii and the 360 is WAY more noticable, and the price difference is (probably) going to be around the same if not lower.

Thus, Sony is putting Blu-ray into the system and making it a hell of a lot more expensive. Is it worth it? Well, if you WANT a blu-ray player then of course it is. But if you want a gaming system... what happens?

I think it is to soon to step up from dvd. Its only been around 5-6 years that dvd has been mainstreem, yet vhs - dvd change took decades (two I think).

I think it would be worth investing in finding a new way to store more data through more layers or somthing and still use the ol' dvd drives then forcing your buyers to pay such a cost. Not only will it probably cost less to make the systems but because of that you are happier and more will probably buy it.

I think the PS3 will be a giant dud. Doesnt give anything new. The 360 on the other hand might do okay. It uses hd-dvd, yes, but its M$... Everyone loves M$ *cough cough*

Microsoft loses money too, but then again, Microsoft has enough money so they'll be fine. I don't think it would be much of a problem for Sony either. Nintendo on the other hand needs a success because I'm sure without anything else backing them up (M$ has software and hardware, sony media stuff and nintendo, okay, there's the GBA and the DS but that's it) Nintendo needs a success harder than the other two.

And it seems they're going to get that, because right now only real PS fanboys are willing to buy the system. All casual gamers will just buy a 360 or a WII, or both for the same price as a PS3.

The loss for Sony is rumored to be somewhere around 250$. That's huge. Of course, as technology becomes cheaper, the cost will even out, but still. The loss on the 360 is less than that. Sony's taking a huge risk with this, and they're going about it with all the confidence of a playground bully, nonchalantly stealing from the lesser children and pissing everyone off in general.

And Nintendo is quite fine. It's true they don't make computers or operating systems or anything, but the DS is absolutely pwning in Japan and, though to a lesser extent, in the West as well. In addition, Nintendo's losses on each system, if they even exist, are small enough to be negligible. AND they make tons of popular games for their own system. They're reeking of sucess right now.

The fragrance of which flows even into my isolated nostrils.

Yea, I dont think MS needs to worry. Bill Gates will just give them more money.

And as Egmont said, MS and Sony will lose more money per system then Nity will, and with the DS selling faster and better then any other system in history they already have a bunch of cash in their swiss banks.

Nintendo made a great choice when they put gameplay over graphics I think, because that allowed them to use cheaper hardware \o/

In the end gameplay is all that matters anyway and the big N is master on that field.

Nintendo made a great choice when they put gameplay over graphics I think, because that allowed them to use cheaper hardware \o/

In the end gameplay is all that matters anyway and the big N is master on that field.
That's absolutely right. Nintendo have always concentrated on gameplay the most, not the graphics, that's what I love so much about them.

Heh, according to IGN, the figures for DS and PSP sales in Japan have just been recording over some period of time (forgot what it was). The DS Lite was at the top of the list, and the regular DS was second, with the PSP bringing up third. Together, the DS sold 3.9 million units, while the PSP sold 1 million.

With the Wii continuing in the same vein as the DS, it's obvious that it'll dominate in Japan. The US market, however, is heavily self-conscious. Unless it becomes "cool" to own a Wii, then the PS3 will be a big contender. But if the image changes, and Nintendo loses their "kiddy" stigma, then Sony's screwed.

I believe in the predicted sony "doomsday". Microsoft and Sony are fighting the wrong war. They both want to "dominate the living room". They both focus entirely on power and graphics. The wii will dominate the mainstream market, and most importantly japan. Microsoft has desperately tried to appeal to the japanese market, but with no success. Innovation has always (eventually) won, and will this time around. This might all be because im a Nintendo fanboy but..oh well.

You gotta weigh in the great stuff that Sony put into the PS3

Sony spent a billion dollars to work with IBM to develope the cell processor. Its a whole new step in processing in the computer world. All the features for the PS3 make it a great buy. Check here for the details, http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html

If your were to build a PC just as good as the PS3, you would at least spend $1000.

You also have to remember that Sony is not so much in competition with Nintendo. Nintendo aims its games at the younger generation of gamers while Sony aims their games for a more mature audience.

It definately is a good deal. But the question is whether or not mainstream gamers will care about what Sony put into their machine. The graphics are very nice on the PS3, but unless they're easily noticably greater than the Xbox 360, Sony will have a hard time convincing normal humans that the price is justified.

Also, it's not quite true that Sony is going for the mature audience and Nintendo isn't. Nintendo's going for everyone this time around - parents, kids, grandparents, teenagers, college students; everyone. Their new philosophy is on games which are easy to pick up and play, and more importantly, games which are fun. Of course, that doesn't mean that they'll stop making more "hardcore" games like Zelda and Metroid; but they'll be introducing new software which is appealing for simply being fun. Sony, however, with their extreme focus on technology and graphics, is going for a very concentrated, very hardcore audience. The question is whether this hardcore audience will be enough.

There's no doubt that the PS3 will sell. People will buy it for the Final Fantasies, Metal Gear Solids, Resident Evils, etc. But that's not the issue. It's whether Sony can justify their large asking price with enough quality software and support, and whether they can convince normal, non-tech oriented people that they should give a damn about their new, shiny system.

You gotta weigh in the great stuff that Sony put into the PS3

Sony spent a billion dollars to work with IBM to develope the cell processor. Its a whole new step in processing in the computer world. All the features for the PS3 make it a great buy. Check here for the details, http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614682p1.html

If your were to build a PC just as good as the PS3, you would at least spend $1000..


But a 1k PC could do so much more than the PS3

True. And it's nice that they have this cell processor, but in the end it's just a processor and like Egmont said, who cares about what's inside the box? It's about what the machine will eventually make appear on your screen and the sound it produces through your speakers, and most importantly, how much fun you can have with it.

The path MS and Sony are walking might be a dead end. Nintendo's chosen a new way, entertainment above graphics. If Nintendo proves succesful MS and Sony might realise that they were wrong by choosing power over innovation.

They might. Or they could be like sega and fail very badly.

Well idk if im gonna buy Ps3 n if i am
maybe i'll get it about 2 years after its launch
i mean they said they wud sell it for about $500 man
thats alot of money to be spending for a game system
i wanna buy a 360 but not jus yet
cuz i heard that there is some technical problems like
360 breaks fast or uhhh it freezes so im not sure
not really into Nintendo
but out of all those i think more people wud buy Wii or 360
rather than Ps3



Oh and Radical Dreamer u said this EVO system can play Pc games?

Owned a 360 for a good two weeks now...never frozen or crashed... I know there were some heating issues (either those were fixed or I got lucky)

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.09/sony.html

looks like sony is in trouble....hmm I hope they pull through.... but IDK..

BTW the only slowdowns I have seen on the 360 are during halo1 multiplayer/co op, strangely this dosent happen in halo 2... not big slowdowns but...at the begining of the silent cartografer you can tell.

As far as I know Xbox1 games are emulated...so you cant really blame em

lolz well im kinda up for the PS3 is just that Sony are being tightwads right now. And im hoping i can put my PS2 HDD on there or something. Now Nintendo was always something i wan into cuz of their surprises and amazingly low prices (The Wii is affordable, even for a janitor!). The Wii might even get some lil fat kids off their couch and do something :heh:

sony is going crazy with the prices and some people HAVE to buy it at launch so they sell other things that they "don't need"....wow those people are kinda desperate.....i heard some people would sell their car just to get consoles....
Well al least Wii is affordable :D

you know what would suck, the wii bumped its price up all of a sudden XD

I don't see Sony ever retaining dominance like they did with the PS2 or PS1, not with all the hiccups they've encountered. This final delay has sealed it, it may even determine the outcome of the company itself.

RIP PS3

I can see them being on top again, if they play their cards right. Diddnt thi happen in the N64/Ps1 days (only backwards?...or was it with the dreamcast?)

ad far as I can tell Sony got cocky and couldnt take the heat, that and all their propietary formats flopping = bad for business.

I can see them being on top again, if they play their cards right. Diddnt thi happen in the N64/Ps1 days (only backwards?...or was it with the dreamcast?)

ad far as I can tell Sony got cocky and couldnt take the heat, that and all their propietary formats flopping = bad for business.
Verry bad for business.
The PS3 has lost much of it's third party support due to the switch in medium. Their dev kits are still a bit iffy and the fact if they will able to truely unlock the cell processer whatevers maximum potential is still to be determined. The release titles for the PS3 will be looking dated by the time they are released in Europe in comparison to some of the 360 titles

Sony would've have lost so much support through this delay when they needed it the most. Such an unpretty price tag, the only people I can see buying the thing are die-hard fans or those playing for Sony exclusives, which many from the Ps2 generation have switched boat or are planning to go to both. And maybe kids will get one for Christmas or birthdays, etc. The only one I can really think of at the moment is Metal Gear. Perhaps maybe the mainstream Final Fantasies, but they've already shown support for the 360 with XI and doesn't the Wii or DS have the continuing Crystal Chronicle franchise??

Nintendo are in a strong position. Christ, their launch is looking great, with Metroid and Zelda both in it. I think they will win this war, because of the innovation within the controller as well as the low price tag.

I don't see Sony ever retaining dominance like they did with the PS2 or PS1, not with all the hiccups they've encountered. This final delay has sealed it, it may even determine the outcome of the company itself.

RIP PS3

__________________________________________________ _________________ I don't think it mess up the company but it will no doubt be some thin simular to sega's crash and burn system.

__________________________________________________ _________________ I don't think it mess up the company but it will no doubt be some thin simular to sega's crash and burn system.
It may. Their Walkmen line hasn't been selling as they thought and their placing so much dependancy on the performance of the new "revolutionary" Blu-ray technology. I doubt it will catch on, though. And the PSP is getting completely dominated by the DS.
Think about it this way- how gorgeous and big is Elder Scrolls Oblivion? It still manages to fit on a DVD-9 disk. I'm thinking the only producers who will benefit from this new technology are the ones who plan to load up heaps of FMV on the games.
The DVD has come and it has been the dominant format for watching movies and TV for personal use for perhaps maybe 7-8 years. I don't think the public will be bothered to replace their library with Blu-ray just so they can experience that extra resolution that comes with a HD TV or better sound. The whole Blu-ray thing will flop, just like MD's and SACD's that Sony have backed before.

I also want to know what is with Sony. First, they release a portable system, neglect it almost to the point of death, and then release an overpriced next gen console. It's pissing me off, why can't they just get their act together!!>.<

OK, PS3 is going to support linux so it is essentially a PC with 60GB HDD,best ram available, 7900GTX,best processor ever, and a blue ray drive. all for a cheap $600

^points up* CHEAP? What is up with Sony?? Sony's ps3 is going to cost me an arm and a leg... even though they have good stuff on it. I'm wondering if they're going to be willing to bring the price down. *points to herself* Poor, working college student here. I won't be able to afford it, and neither will my friends. How does Sony expect to sell the ps3 if its so expensive? I also heard that the games are going to get MUCH MORE expensive as well... the new releases might go from $50 to $75. I just hope they don't stop making games for ps2 when ps3 comes out, because I'm sure lots of people won't be able to afford the ps3 when it's released.

Yes i know that it is expensive...for a console. My point is that IF sony follows through with linux, then it will be a full fledged PC. IF that happens, you will be able to play PC games using Cadega, along with other games using emulators, and PS1,PS2,PS3, games. It will also have a blue ray drive, which costs $1K. The GPU is equivalent to about a GeForce 7800, which costs $300. If you do not mind pirating, then the games will eventually become piratable (is that even a word?). Give it some time, eventually the price SHOULD come down. Until then, let the hackers unlock the full potential of all of that hardware. IF there is a full linux distribution, then people will be able to sell their PCs and buy a PS3. Linux will be the deciding factor for me. Even if it's not a full disto, there will be ways to put one on there. Im not going to go into the full details on the potential hacks that may be possible, unless someone REALLY wants me to.

Note: IF there is linux, and there are ways to hack it. You might want to buy one fast if you have the money. Eventually sony will update the firmware like they did with the PSP.

umm...cedega and palying PC games isnt gonna happen any time soon, mainly because of the processoir used in the PS3...as far as I know it s a pain in the but to code for. and cedega IMHO would much rather invest their time on the PC side where theres more of a market and they have a lead.

^points up* CHEAP? What is up with Sony?? Sony's ps3 is going to cost me an arm and a leg... even though they have good stuff on it. I'm wondering if they're going to be willing to bring the price down. *points to herself* Poor, working college student here. I won't be able to afford it, and neither will my friends. How does Sony expect to sell the ps3 if its so expensive? I also heard that the games are going to get MUCH MORE expensive as well... the new releases might go from $50 to $75. I just hope they don't stop making games for ps2 when ps3 comes out, because I'm sure lots of people won't be able to afford the ps3 when it's released.

Why not split the cost? My cousins and I are considering doing that, and then sharing it...

Look at it this way: PS3 allows 4 controllers, so if you go for 4-player games and find 3 friends, you can play about as much as you would alone, for only a quarter of the price of the console...

Then again, with Wii's $250 price tag, a 4-way split there would make the per-person console cost be less than the price of a single PS3 game :P

shared consoles dont work IMHO...if I buy a console im only going to be able to play X days...but might only have free time until Y.

IDK personal choice I guess, I would rather wait :)