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KaitouKudou
July 13th, 2006, 02:32 pm
Well, I've decided to start a thread of my composition's as well. Hope you guys like em:lol:

Maestrosetti
July 13th, 2006, 02:39 pm
It's a good song, but I have a few problems with it. Firstly, there are some instances where I have to question some ugly bits of dissonance that you used. This happened frequently in an otherwise very enjoyable song. Also, the chord progression got a little stale as it went along, and it felt a little too jumpy. Nice work overall, though.

Edit: You know, you could have just continued sharing your music in your other thread...

KaitouKudou
July 14th, 2006, 06:37 pm
Something I wrote for my grandpa's Birthday. The title is "Nostalgic Youth" since his in china and I'm halfway across the world:cry: :sweat: Enjoy and hope you all like it!:lol:

If you are using quicktime to listen to this piece, you will not hear the pedal changes. I just realized this listening to it using my school's computer. It's either cause its quicktime or cause its a mac.

Marlon
July 15th, 2006, 04:28 am
Some rhythms sounded kinda weird (before the section with the arpeggios), but otherwise, it was pretty good. ^_^ The melody was rather nice and soothing. The trilled notes are a great to wake someone up from the section before, hehe. XD I like the contrast in this song and all its sections.

Could use some work, but I'm liking this piece a lot. :) Keep it up.

KaitouKudou
July 15th, 2006, 04:32 am
Thank you, I'll admit, I see what you mean by the awkward rhythm. I was trying to make that part as smooth as I could but I'm just not that skilled...yet haha:P

Milchh
July 15th, 2006, 05:25 am
I love GBP2. I think it's good as it is actually. Sure, maybe somethings could be worked out, but it seems excellent to me.

The first one was ok, but some weird chords were in there. :heh:

leonheart
July 15th, 2006, 09:44 pm
wow all you're compositions are amazing KaitouKudou i love listening to them.
I agree with Maestro on the dissonace part for the first song

KaitouKudou
July 15th, 2006, 10:54 pm
Thanks guys, I'm glad you guys are liking my music. This is something more...modern...and also, it's my first attempt at making any music in this genre so it might sound repetitave, but hey, everyone gotta start somewhere right?:heh:

Take it easy on the criticism for this one:sweat: but above all, enjoy!

Milchh
July 16th, 2006, 01:57 am
Damn, that's actually pretty neat.

What program you usuing? Frooty Loops I resume?

KaitouKudou
July 16th, 2006, 02:14 am
Right'O! Fruity Loops. My friend instroduced me to the program about 3 days ago and I was fiddling around with it and I came up with that piece:lol:

Maestrosetti
July 16th, 2006, 01:46 pm
Damn, that's actually pretty neat.

What program you usuing? Frooty Loops I resume?
I assume. Or perhaps you were going for presume?

Marlon
July 17th, 2006, 06:34 pm
Awesome for a first techno piece. Some sounds sounded like they were just chopped off. Like you said, a bit repetitive, but hey, it's techno! :P

deathraider
July 22nd, 2006, 04:03 am
Why do you have 2 threads?

Milchh
July 22nd, 2006, 04:13 am
@Setti - Was going for presume, but my stupid keyboard doesn't always register.

KaitouKudou
July 22nd, 2006, 05:22 pm
Why do you have 2 threads?

Like I said, I was new here and I didn't know how things worked. I thought it was a different thread for a new music but maestrosetti told me about it so I just decided to post my songs here from now on. :sweat: (Bows) Sorry for being a newb:P

KaitouKudou
July 22nd, 2006, 05:26 pm
Oh yeah, to answer the questions on my other thread.

Marty-Kun: Thanks, I'm 18 right now.

Jhnboyman: I actually played this on the piano enough times until I memorized this before I actually put it down on NWC.

PS: What does beaming notes mean?

Marty-kun
July 22nd, 2006, 05:49 pm
I believe it's this:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c329/marty-chan/07dc5288.gif

KaitouKudou
July 22nd, 2006, 07:57 pm
Oh, that ctrl-B thing? I didn't do that cause I was just too damn lazy to. :heh: I finish a song and since none of my friends asks for the notes and only cares for the music, I never really bothered to haha:sweat:

Marty-kun
July 22nd, 2006, 08:11 pm
If you don't do it, it becomes really messy... How long have you used NWC? How many composing porgrams do you use?

KaitouKudou
July 22nd, 2006, 08:31 pm
I've been using NWC for about 6years now haha. I've tried finale, got a few others that I don't remember the names to. The songs I've posted are my recent pieces, my old ones are well...:sweat:

The two I posted are from a while ago. Anything before that is just for me the listen to and see how much I've improved:heh:

KaitouKudou
July 22nd, 2006, 08:33 pm
PS: Appending Evil was meant to be a never ending loop for a fighting scene in an RPG my friend was "supposedly" making...

Lolive
July 24th, 2006, 03:50 pm
I prefer the Ending theme but I don't know why it doesn't correspond to the idea I have of an ending theme ^^. But it's a good composition I really like it.

KaitouKudou
July 24th, 2006, 05:04 pm
The lyrics to the ending theme is actually in Japanese. I was sort of going for something for japanese anime. That's why I added the quiete ending for the, "This program was brought to you by the following sponsors" part lol.

Marlon
July 24th, 2006, 05:25 pm
In the Ending Theme, the drums could've been better when they first came in, and some instrument played triplets, which really seemed out of place with the other instruments. At least something was in my head after the song. :heh: A good song, but it could use some work. Good job. :)

As for Appending Evil, it was O.K. The mood was set in nicely, in my opinion, but the drums seemed kinda weird sometimes (mainly during the use of the toms). Overall, I liked the sense of tension revolving around this song; something I could never do. x_x Well, it could be improved on, but nice to hear anyways.

deathraider
July 27th, 2006, 05:18 am
It's too bad they never finished that game, because that's a pretty cool battle theme. The only awkward part to me was where places like at 2:32 where it switches into major, which seemed REALLY wrong to me.

KaitouKudou
July 30th, 2006, 07:29 pm
I can't get the pauses to work on noteworthy. Around the 1minute mark, I'm trying to let it pause on the note before the climb but it's not staying. I clicked the pause 3times and it's got a 3beat worth of pause on the sheet music but when I play it, nothing is changed.

This song isn't finished yet but what do you all think?

Marlon
July 30th, 2006, 07:32 pm
That's a very relaxing song. Well done. I love it and... I don't really have anything to point out that I didn't like... Good job! ^_^ This is a great song!

KaitouKudou
July 31st, 2006, 06:15 pm
Thanks, if only that violin at the start didn't sound like a muted trumpet it would be great haha...wishful thinking:sweat: Btw, how are you saving your gp intp mp3 format?

Marlon
July 31st, 2006, 07:41 pm
how are you saving your gp intp mp3 format?

You would have to have a sound-editing program, I think. It works with Cool Edit Pro, which is what I use. I just "Save As..." an .mp3. :think: It doesn't work with Windows Media Player, unfortunately. Well, you could always send me the file via e-mail and I could turn the .wav into an .mp3. ;)

Sir_Dotdotdot
July 31st, 2006, 08:40 pm
Definitely a warm and welcoming piece. Good work. I especially loved the ending of your piano introduction. Although your orchestration was kind of weak... The flute and violin sounded too 'strained'. You might blame the MIDI, but even if it was put into real sounds, the melody of the two will still sound too 'pulled and stretched'. Also, the string ensemble had bad chord placements. The notes are too clustered. To fix that you need to 'spread your chord'. Meaning every notes needs to be at least 4ths, 5ths or whatever apart. Study more orchestration and improve on it. You've got the atmosphere set. ;)

Sepharite
July 31st, 2006, 10:58 pm
That's pretty awesome, KK. Very gorgeous! Keep it up!

KaitouKudou
August 1st, 2006, 01:25 am
Meaning every notes needs to be at least 4ths, 5ths or whatever apart. Study more orchestration and improve on it.

I'll go over my piece, I think I see what you mean. I was too caught up with trying to have two smooth melodies that I probably lost sight of the bigger picture. :P I know it won't be perfect so I'll be hoping for more suggestions from you guys.

Thanks Sir dotdotodot.

KK:lol:

KaitouKudou
August 2nd, 2006, 05:57 pm
I got a bit further, should I go to a new theme or just keep altering instruments? Or maybe I could just end it with a quiet ending, but that feels kind of boring lol.

Sir_Dotdotdot
August 2nd, 2006, 06:09 pm
Hm... I hear some wonderful ornamentations... ^.^ Which is a good thing... But, the orchestration is still too clustered, such as when the first chord when the strings come in with the flute, it felt too mushed together, but if you spread that chord out, it would be fine. And near the end, the harp got a little too aggressive, slow it down or something... :\ Not bad at all, finish it! =)

Marlon
August 2nd, 2006, 07:52 pm
I just love this song. It's so... good. Haha. Biggest understatement ever. XD Good job, and keep working on it, though I'm not sure how.

KaitouKudou
August 3rd, 2006, 03:04 am
Just reposting this song to this thread cause a couple friends can't find it...they can't read english lol.

PS: Thanks for the comments all, glad you're all liking my music.

KaitouKudou
August 3rd, 2006, 08:05 pm
ok, I rewrote this piece using Finale. I still can't figure out how to get tromolo strings sound so I had to stick with the violin. I don't know how to change dynamics, and there are still functions in there that I have no clue as to what it does. I'm guessing I can't make the staff change instruments in the middle of the song. Little help?:sweat:

KaitouKudou
August 4th, 2006, 01:47 am
Okay, so I was sitting bored at home and all of a sudden this tune pops into my head. I started writing it to see how far I can take it, and this is how far I got to:heh:

leonheart
August 4th, 2006, 02:17 am
OMG i admire you so much you created that with a sudden inspiration O.o omg omg !!!!

Noir7
August 4th, 2006, 03:24 pm
Am-G-F. Most frequently used chord progression ever. Not saying the actual pattern is bad, but you brought its 'clichéness' to a high. I thought it was very uninspired and highly unoriginal.

KaitouKudou
August 4th, 2006, 05:24 pm
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KaitouKudou
August 4th, 2006, 05:29 pm
I admit, I copied and pasted the pattern all the way across. I needed something to go with my melody and that pattern seemed to fit okay.

If I had changed it to Am-Em-F/Dm-G/C63,E64, would that still be considered unoriginal?

Meh, still lots of places to improve on.

KaitouKudou
August 5th, 2006, 05:24 pm
Another new piece?!! I've been getting lots of ideas recently haha. Thought of after watching couple of kids get excited about going to a hiking trip.

PS: Can anyone tell me how to get the snaredrum sound? Please and thank you.

Marlon
August 6th, 2006, 02:38 am
PS: Can anyone tell me how to get the snaredrum sound? Please and thank you.

Well, on Guitar Pro you just put a '40' or '38' (40 being an electric one; 38's the acoustic one) on any string of the tab on a percussion track. :think:

As for the song, the mood of excitement was set in nicely. The theme sounded kinda familiar, maybe I've heard it before somewhere (I'm not accusing you of plagiarism!) Besides that, I think the timpani could've been more interesting. And that trumpet sounded way too loud, in my opinion, but other than that, it was pretty good. Good job, anyways. ^_^

Ming, maestro of music
August 6th, 2006, 04:48 am
Not bad, your ending song. But I feel it shouldn't be an ending song, more like a song when the hero has to go away and the heroine says "I'll wait for you" and all that sort of stuff. Or maybe if the ending was like that, then it'd be appropriate. Also I agree on the intro part of the drums. Sort of weird.

KaitouKudou
August 6th, 2006, 05:17 pm
Thanks for comments guys. I think I know what this song sounds like. It's pokemon! I sent it to my friend and he told me that. I thought about it for a while I realized the opening was indeed similar. different harmony and altered melody but the idea is the same haha:heh:

I've never wanted to hear the pokemon game theme music so bad before...:sweat:

I thought it was smashbros or zelda or something though...

PS: Another idea, piano music! This time, I actually have the complete song in my head! I'm on a roll!:lol:

KaitouKudou
August 8th, 2006, 11:56 pm
Rough Draft of my new song. Piano Solo(For now)

Lyrics(Japanese):,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Translation:

Osanaki koroni yume mita,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, When I was young I dreamed of
Tatta hitotsu no taisetsuna mono wo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, That one thing that was important to me
Ima demo muneni kakaeteru,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Even now I embrace it in my chest
Anotoki no kimochi wo wasure takunai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I don't want to lose that feeling

Kibou no kagayakide me wo samasu,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I awake with the light of hope
Tokino michini jibun no mi wo makase,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Letting the path of time take me away
Kimi no kaomitemo se wo mukete,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I turned away when I saw you
yakusoku wo mamorutame tada touri susunda,,,,,,,,,,,,, to keep that promise, I pretended not to notice

Tsubasa wo hiroge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, Open the wings
soratobu tori no youni,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, Like the birds in the open skies
touyi ano hikari eto tabitachi tai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us journey to the distant light
tonde yikou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us fly

Kurai yoru samayotte kita sabishisa sae,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Even the loneliness of wandering through the darkness of night
kimi no koto kangaereba susundekeru,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, become endurable when I think about you
Kimitonaraba ashitaga wakaranakutemo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If it's with you, I don't care what kind of day tomorrow will bring
Kamawa naikara,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,, (included in above sentence)

Tsubasa wo hiroge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,, Open the wings
soratobu tori no youni,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, Like the birds in the open skies
touyi ano hikari eto tabitachi tai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us journey to the distant light
tonde yikou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us fly

Tsubasa wo hiroge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, Open the wings
soratobu tori no youni,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, Like the birds in the open skies
touyi ano hikari eto tabitachi tai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us journey to the distant light
tonde yikou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us fly

Hope you all like it. Final version will consist of drums, strings, bass, few techno effects, and maybe an acoustic guitar.

Marlon
August 9th, 2006, 02:38 am
Sounds a bit cliche, but nonetheless, it is good. ;)

pianocrazy90
August 14th, 2006, 03:54 am
Yeah i like it alot to. Just keep up the good work. Im sure the final version is going to be great.

Rodents210
August 14th, 2006, 04:06 am
Why do I have no composing talent? Anything I do right is on accident.

Sepharite
August 14th, 2006, 04:54 am
Not everyone has composing talent. It's simply something you're born with. But enjoy what you have, and make it yours.

KaitouKudou
August 14th, 2006, 06:24 am
Why do I have no composing talent? Anything I do right is on accident.

I don't believe in bad compositions as long as the person has put time and effort into creating their work and they are proud of what they have accomplished. Things that sound 'awkward' to one person may sound unique or inspiring to another. This is probably why I hate people who says they just put random notes down in 5minutes proudly, trying to make themselves look good.

KaitouKudou
August 15th, 2006, 12:33 am
An ear test. This was written after listening to the piano version for the song. The arrangement is not mine, I merely listened to someone else's and wrote it down.

PS: I decided to actually do this because I was interested with how much can my ear distinguish. Do not send me further request for sheet music from shows. Please do that on the music request area to a staff of Ichigo. It took me 5 hours none stop to do this and it is definately not something I will do again for a LONG time.:bleh:

Till next time:lol:

KK

Noir7
August 15th, 2006, 12:51 am
Do not send me further request for sheet music from shows. Please do that on the music request area to a staff of Ichigo

What?? We don't want any requests. I just hate it when noobs come here and PM me if I have "insert-random-japanese-song-here" sheet music for them. <_<

Sepharite
August 15th, 2006, 01:54 am
Lol. When they do that, I just send them midget porn instead. >_>

And then they ask for more... which is weird.

deathraider
August 15th, 2006, 03:49 am
Eww, gross Sepharite.

leonheart
August 15th, 2006, 04:01 am
Lol. When they do that, I just send them midget porn instead. >_>

And then they ask for more... which is weird.

what if that person is under-aged? it'll be breaking the forum rules then

Milchh
August 15th, 2006, 04:21 am
EHH-HEMM!!

Getting back on topic.

Good job on that, love it, and I can see the effort that was put into that transcription.

Wewt, go Gundam Themez or Wut!

oozie1234
August 16th, 2006, 09:46 am
Wow that was a great composition,really nice.u did it in such a short amount of time,that was superb........

Btw,how do u open this nwc file? I dled the nwc program already but theres no print option.And i can't open the file u put up,it says unregistered.Can u help me out in this?

KaitouKudou
August 16th, 2006, 02:39 pm
The last part for "reason" sounds better played than midi. The 23second grace notes, I didn't know the rhythm to it. I couldn't get it so yeah, I left it. Mazeppa, thanks for stopping my thread from becomming some midget porn marathon lol.

Here's a short lil motif for a flute quinttet.

KaitouKudou
August 16th, 2006, 02:41 pm
oops uploaded wrong file lol.

Marlon
August 19th, 2006, 02:59 am
Sounds kinda like a town theme or something. Sometimes the harmonies sounded a tiny bit sloppy. Other than that, very nice and ummm... would petit be the word? LoL. Well, good job, anyways! ^_^ And keep working on it!

Milchh
August 19th, 2006, 05:27 am
Love that prelude.

Sounds good as it is. :P

KaitouKudou
September 9th, 2006, 11:44 pm
Hey everyone, long time no upload. Here's one of the new songs I've been working on. I'm hoping to complete this to see what instruments I will use and transfer it to Notion. Hope y'all like it.

Kaitou Kudou

Sir_Dotdotdot
September 9th, 2006, 11:51 pm
The chords are a little weird, but I guess other than that the piece structure is okay... Secondly, give the flute a break, don't make it play for too long, flautists get exhausted too. And change the vibraphone/marimba back to a piano, it's not quite fitting. Thirdly, don't double flute and clarinet in unison, clarinet is going to overpower it because of the register it's playing in. Also, it lacks in middleground, so you should add some middleground elements. The melody was kind of familiar too. The ending was too abrupt as well. So to summarize, there are some weird chords, some bad orchestrations, and lacking in middleground. So yeah, it's better than most of your other pieces though. Good job. ;)

KaitouKudou
September 9th, 2006, 11:56 pm
The ending was too abrupt as well.

The song isn't finished yet :P

Noir7
September 10th, 2006, 01:30 pm
This isn't too bad Kaitou! I liked when you went from the opening part to the E minor one section (the one without string accompaniment). I also liked how merged to the two woodwinds together. There are a few wrong notes though, but overall it's okay. Here's where the fun ends though, cos from the middle and up this song lost all its charm =\

pianocrazy90
September 11th, 2006, 11:29 pm
Rough Draft of my new song. Piano Solo(For now)

Lyrics(Japanese):,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Translation:

Osanaki koroni yume mita,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, When I was young I dreamed of
Tatta hitotsu no taisetsuna mono wo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, That one thing that was important to me
Ima demo muneni kakaeteru,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Even now I embrace it in my chest
Anotoki no kimochi wo wasure takunai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I don't want to lose that feeling

Kibou no kagayakide me wo samasu,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I awake with the light of hope
Tokino michini jibun no mi wo makase,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Letting the path of time take me away
Kimi no kaomitemo se wo mukete,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, The promise I made you
yakusoku wo mamorutame tada touri susunda,,,,,,,,,,,,, I must turn my back to you

Tsubasa wo hiroge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, Open the wings
soratobu tori no youni,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, Like the birds in the open skies
touyi ano hikari eto tabitachi tai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us journey to the distant light
tonde yikou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us fly

Kurai yoru samayotte kita sabishisa sae,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Even the loneliness of wandering through the darkness of night
kimi no koto kangaereba susundekeru,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, become endurable when I think about you
Kimitonaraba ashitaga wakaranakutemo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, If it's with you, I don't care what kind of day tomorrow will bring
Kamawa naikara,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,, (included in above sentence)

Tsubasa wo hiroge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,, Open the wings
soratobu tori no youni,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, Like the birds in the open skies
touyi ano hikari eto tabitachi tai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us journey to the distant light
tonde yikou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us fly

Tsubasa wo hiroge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,, Open the wings
soratobu tori no youni,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,, Like the birds in the open skies
touyi ano hikari eto tabitachi tai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us journey to the distant light
tonde yikou,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Let us fly

Hope you all like it. Final version will consist of drums, strings, bass, few techno effects, and maybe an acoustic guitar.

Sorry for the long quote, but KK have you finished this song yet. Just wondering if youve done anything different to it, because I really like this song.

KaitouKudou
September 12th, 2006, 06:32 pm
Sorry for the long quote, but KK have you finished this song yet. Just wondering if youve done anything different to it, because I really like this song.

Me and a few friends are trying to record the song. We're having trouble with the volume and currently the singer and pianist is left unheard because the guitar and drums are too loud. Because we can only get together twice a month due to school and stuff its taking a bit. From what I know, we might get a violinist soon as well. I'm hoping we can finish it including the fine tuning once our exams are done in December though. The midi version I haven't changed anything.

This brings me to something I've forgot to ask.

Can someone help us with this volume problem? Should we record each part separate or is there a way to record all simultaneously? Would an amp be considered a requirement for the keyboard and is there a way to tone down the drums or will we have it increase the volume of the band to match it. (Our drummer isn't that good a keeping it low haha.) Finally, how do we get the background noises out?

HopelessComposer
September 13th, 2006, 11:16 pm
I *really* like your composistions, especially the first one (in spite of everyone's small complaints about it.)

I also like the last song in the thread quite a bit, though it gets stale after awhile ^ ^"
You may be one of my favorite composers on these forums now actually. :3

Good work! ^ ^

deathraider
September 16th, 2006, 12:56 am
I'd like to point out that John Williams doubles flute and clarinet in some of my favorite songs of his, such as "Luke and Leia." I'd also like to point out that that song doesn't sound much like rain to me most of the time. That's probably just because I have a very...different view of the rain which is hard to explain.

Sir_Dotdotdot
September 16th, 2006, 03:11 am
I'd like to point out that John Williams doubles flute and clarinet in some of my favorite songs of his, such as "Luke and Leia."

Doubling flute and clarinet in unison can create a warm effect, if used appropriately, if not, clarinet will overpower the flute in lower register, or flute will overpower the clarinet in high register, so no, don't do that unless you're sure you want that sound.

KaitouKudou
September 16th, 2006, 04:34 am
Doubling flute and clarinet in unison can create a warm effect, if used appropriately, if not, clarinet will overpower the flute in lower register, or flute will overpower the clarinet in high register, so no, don't do that unless you're sure you want that sound.

I think the over powering can be done my different volume markings. In lower register, its true that clairnets will easily over power flute cause 1, there's twice as many, and 2, the nature of the instrument, but if you have the clairnets on p and flutes on mp I think you can still achieve that warm sound. I've seen it in some music that I played in our band.

Also, after reading the comments, and thinking it over. I've decided it was best simply to rewrite the second theme to something that can relate to the first. Now the second part has been completely rewritten. I did not delete the other one permanantly yet. I may use it as a second movement or later on in the piece if I make a good bridge for it. Brass isn't my strong area so please go extra hard on that section. Even if you want to say "It sucks just cause it sucks" I don't mind as long as you tell me where it is in the music.

Eg: 3:45~4:04 was just plain stupid.

Please and Thank You.
Kaitou Kudou:lol:

KaitouKudou
September 16th, 2006, 04:35 am
Here's the music, didn't attach on last post for some reason...:\

Sir_Dotdotdot
September 16th, 2006, 03:12 pm
I think the over powering can be done my different volume markings. In lower register, its true that clairnets will easily over power flute cause 1, there's twice as many, and 2, the nature of the instrument, but if you have the clairnets on p and flutes on mp I think you can still achieve that warm sound. I've seen it in some music that I played in our band.



In orchestras, there are same amount of flutes and clarinets. And as you know, clarinets will always play louder in lower registers as it's comfortable in that register, while it's not the flute's comfort zone, and having clarinet and flute playing in unison and staying in tune is another issue. Also, flute gets weaker and weaker as they go down the register, meaning that they don't have much carrying power to balance out the clarinet, so no dynamic markings does not work in real performances. Yes, bands do that, but bands are usually different, bands try to achieve the 'one sound' effect, while real orchestrations tries to colour each and every section.

Edit: Ah, I'll comment on your piece. There are still some weird chord notes, and weak counterpoint. Also, near the end, the trumpet/horn part there were a lot of dissonances that were unnecessary. The ending still didn't give a complete sense. Also, since you're trying achieve a semi-romantic piece, your use of percussion is too modern. Oh, and after 1:42 the melody was okay, but it was rather lacking in background and middleground, although it doesn't sound like it cos of the heavy percussion use. Then, by the end of that phrase, you ended it too abrupt and went on to another section. During that section, the violin note and the ping from the celesta/bell got quite annoying after a while. You've got the melody and chords, you just need experience and more orchestration practices, keep at it. ;)

Marlon
September 16th, 2006, 04:54 pm
Can someone help us with this volume problem? Should we record each part separate or is there a way to record all simultaneously? Would an amp be considered a requirement for the keyboard and is there a way to tone down the drums or will we have it increase the volume of the band to match it. (Our drummer isn't that good a keeping it low haha.) Finally, how do we get the background noises out?

Record each part seperately - always! Also, when adding to a multi-track session, use headphones. That way, you don't hear every other instrument in your recording. Next of all, if your recording from the instrument's speakers/amp (which you should try not to; rather, connect the instrument straight into the mic... hole (XD). It will record, and the sound will come out much nicer.), always have the instrument rather loud and the recording volume at about half-way or so. Also, to make the song a bit more interesting, mess around with the panning and stuff. It can add a lot. Also, try not to overproduce the piece (I mean, yeah, maybe some noise reduction and a little reverb and delay, but don't get carried away), especially try not to when it comes to vocals. Also try to not use too many filters. And again, record each instrument and part (i.e. verses, chorus, etc.) seperately.

Well, that's probably all I know, so good luck! And I can't wait to hear it! :)

KaitouKudou
September 18th, 2006, 01:58 am
Love Notion!

Only trial for now, the real one won't arrive for another while ><.

I fixed a few really bad chords that I found as I was fixing stuff on Notion but I hope this works. The trial doesn't have vib so it plays it as a piano.

Thanks Sir dotdotdot for your tips, they really help a lot.
Thanks Marlon, this is the first time we've actually tried to record and on the few get togethers we did and recorded, everything has been just chaotic haha.

KaitouKudou
September 18th, 2006, 02:02 am
keep forgetting music!

Sir_Dotdotdot
September 19th, 2006, 12:42 am
The part around 1:47 was still really lacking, and the percussion drowns the winds. There were also orchestration mistakes here and there, and chord problems. I guess my suggestion would be for you to get some orchestration books like Samuel Adler's "Study of Orchestration" or Forsyth's "Orchestration". Good luck. ;)

Marlon
September 19th, 2006, 01:06 am
In general, I like this song very much. Sounds like something you'd hear in a movie or something. Even though the percussion was a bit loud, this piece is very nice. Good job! :)

KaitouKudou
September 19th, 2006, 05:12 pm
Another new song. Haven't given it lyric yet though, heck I haven't decided what language the lyric is going to be haha. Oh, and I'm currently reading "Study of Orchestration, third edition" right now. But damn, it's a BIG book! lol

Marty-kun
September 19th, 2006, 07:01 pm
I don't like glissandi, but I love that song. I really liked how did you use sus4 chords and how you kept the melody changing only the left hand... but, the harder it gets, isn't certainly the good it becomes. The final add9 chord was great!

Sir_Dotdotdot
September 19th, 2006, 07:50 pm
XD Oppositely the repeating sequences got on my nerve in the opening, and it didn't quite float into the more gentle melody afterward. But once the gentle melody settled, it's nice. Although there were some bass parts I didn't like here and there, but it didn't bug me much. The tremolando around 1:44 was kind of tiring after a while, so I suggest you to change it to some more serene effects. Also, by the end the piece, I felt the main melody was more or less repeated the same, so a more variated variation would be nice. ;) The ending phrase was also too drown-y cos of the tremolando arpeggios. Well, it was pretty nice. Good job. ;)

pianocrazy90
September 19th, 2006, 10:59 pm
That song was cool. I sure liked it. I personally liked base courds because it just gives the feeling of power being each of the base keys. But Im not an expert so you should probably listen to Sir Dotdotdot, because im not sure whats good to do in songs and whats not. But anyways I really liked the song.

KaitouKudou
October 3rd, 2006, 06:50 am
Recording question: After recording each instruments separately, how can I get rid of background noise. I'm getting static in background and its annoying as hell. Plugging the guitar right into the comp worked fairly well. The singer, drums, piano, and violin is getting heavy static. Maybe its just a bad mic...:heh:

Noir7
October 3rd, 2006, 02:17 pm
It's probably your microphone, yeah... When you buy a new mic (a good one) then you usually get some kind of pop-killer software which eliminates noise.

KaitouKudou
October 6th, 2006, 02:49 am
This was made by Notion so I cannot upload a score but please give me replies for it soon because I am submitting a printed score to my professor tomorrow afternoon. I fixed the awkward parts as much as possible and though I won't be able to change major things like writing a new theme, I still have time to fine tune the music. Help! Please and Thank you!

PS: This piece now contains a full orchestra. It is only half of the original because that's all that I could do in this past week.
PPS: Recently finished study of orchestrations, need new book.

KaitouKudou
October 6th, 2006, 10:33 pm
Figured out a way to show you guys the score. Tips and helps please.

Marlon
October 7th, 2006, 01:02 am
It sounds very good to me. I mean, it's a little boring at times, but it's great, in my opinion. Good job. :)

Sir_Dotdotdot
October 7th, 2006, 03:20 am
I'll comment further later, but for now, I looked at your score and saw 3 HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE mistakes. 1.) WHERE ARE THE RESTS FOR THE INSTRUMENTS NOT PLAYING?!!!!!!!!!!!! Very important to add the rests, or they'll think they can improvise. 2.) WHERE ARE THE SECOND VIOLINS?! In an orchestra, there are two sections for violins, remember that. 3.) WHY DID YOU DOUBLE THE VIOLA WITH THE VIOLINS AN OCTAVE LOWER?! Because viole have a darker quality and a more nasal sound, composers rarely use it to double the entire violin section, thus if you can't read the alto clef, learn it somehow, very very important.

Milchh
October 7th, 2006, 04:48 am
Especially the third comment. Since writing my 'Rhapsodie pour l'Orchsetra' I have to really work on my Alto Clef reading skills. I always knew that the third (middle) line was middle C, but I can't read it fluently, like how I can't read high alto clef notes. (Another reason I can't be a flute player. :shifty: )

KaitouKudou
October 7th, 2006, 06:29 am
I'll comment further later, but for now, I looked at your score and saw 3 HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE mistakes. 1.) WHERE ARE THE RESTS FOR THE INSTRUMENTS NOT PLAYING?!!!!!!!!!!!! Very important to add the rests, or they'll think they can improvise. 2.) WHERE ARE THE SECOND VIOLINS?! In an orchestra, there are two sections for violins, remember that. 3.) WHY DID YOU DOUBLE THE VIOLA WITH THE VIOLINS AN OCTAVE LOWER?! Because viole have a darker quality and a more nasal sound, composers rarely use it to double the entire violin section, thus if you can't read the alto clef, learn it somehow, very very important.

Thanks. Point 1 was cause I can't figure out how to add rests massively. Point 2, God damn so obvious, can't believe I forgot ahaha. Point 3. I did not know that. I doubled viola with violin cause I felt that violin alone would not be able to play against the brass. I am able to read alto and tenor cleffs pretty smoothly. A bit slower than treble/bass but fairly comfortable with it.

Hoping to see your finer comments as well. Thanks again!


Marlon mentioned that it gets boring at times. I think this is because I had the same long melody play three times. As to the fix, I'm still thinking about it. So far, I've thought about adding a cello in the background of the second time and changing its rhythm slightly but not sure how the rhythm change can be done.

Mezeppa, flutes read treble clef. I've played flute for 6years and I haven't come across one that's written in alto.

Milchh
October 7th, 2006, 04:11 pm
Mezeppa, flutes read treble clef. I've played flute for 6years and I haven't come across one that's written in alto.

Was a typo. :heh: I was in a rush to get that post done.

KaitouKudou
October 9th, 2006, 05:19 am
Toned down the brass, added piccolo and added harp to the second time through of the theme. Still thinking if I should divide the flute into two systems or just leave it as one and have it multi voiced occasionally. Second violin is in, and second/forth horns are now added. Rests, still haven't added because I still don't know how to add them 10measures at a time and I don't know if I'm going to add further instruments on certain sections. Viola, something I will have to get down by the time I finish this piece. Been searching for violin quartet scores to study how it is used.

KaitouKudou
October 9th, 2006, 05:22 am
score...

ajamesu
October 9th, 2006, 05:52 am
very nicely done ^^ the melody was beautiful, and those duets were just... wow o.o the end was kind of lacking, though, i dont know what, and the flautist needs time to switch to a piccolo and vice versa. very nice, though, 999,999,999/1,000,000,000 :D

KaitouKudou
October 9th, 2006, 06:22 am
Thank you. I have not yet posted the complete version of the song. It is roughly 60-90% finished depending on how I decide to finish.

If you look at my score, you will notice that I wrote it for 2 flutes, and I have given 2 measures for the piccoloist to switch back to the flute while the other plays the main melody, but thanks for the heads up.

I hope to post the completed song by Oct. 21st though.;)

ajamesu
October 10th, 2006, 04:42 am
oh, i see o.o nvm ^^; great job so far, then :)

KaitouKudou
October 15th, 2006, 09:20 pm
I REALLY didn't know how to end this piece and this was one of the choices. There's suppose to be a chime that glissando from high to low with the final chord but Notion didn't support that sound without expansion. There's also suppose to be a pause before the woodwinds come in at the end but I don't know how to get that working. Finally, I realize the wierd trombone sound in the brass and I have no idea what's causing that at the moment. Possible due to bad balancing in the dynamics. Other than those three, here is my first completed piece using a full orchestra!! I may or may not post an alternate ending next friday, depending on how my prof think about my current ending.

Please give comments and anything you thought was awkward. Also, I will be rearranging this for a highschool band. Anyone have any tips on changing orchestral pieces to band music?

Sir_Dotdotdot
October 15th, 2006, 09:54 pm
The opening was too bland and unjustified, especially with those cymbal rolls. Then when the celesta and flute played, it was suddenly too soft. That melody was alright though. Then when the oboe came in, instead of supporting the melody, it interfered. Then the orchestra came in too sudden without much build up. The snare was quite icky under this melody too. The counterpoint of this part was not too smooth either. Then you suddenly ended the part without a good fermata afterward. Around 3:07, it was too... Unjustified. When the brass was doing the quartet thing, the bass was way too heavy, you should've made it shine on the trumpet or horn. You should've also built a climax near the end, instead of leaving it 'straight'. Also, the last chord was too unprepared, make it sound like it's coming.

And there you have it, my criticism. ;)

KaitouKudou
October 15th, 2006, 10:21 pm
Thanks for that quick reply. It gives me time to look back and change things:lol:

Sir_Dotdotdot
October 15th, 2006, 10:35 pm
Thanks for that quick reply. It gives me time to look back and change things:lol:

No problem. ;) But I think sometimes it's more frustrating to edit a piece than to start a new piece... Cos it's hard when you want to keep this part and that part, but you know it has to be taken away or edited.

ajamesu
October 19th, 2006, 06:03 am
No problem. ;) But I think sometimes it's more frustrating to edit a piece than to start a new piece... Cos it's hard when you want to keep this part and that part, but you know it has to be taken away or edited.

i think everyone hates that feeling x.x

KaitouKudou
October 26th, 2006, 10:15 pm
New Piece. I may consider making this a piano concerto but haven't decided. I realize the glissando sounded wierd but if one was to play this piece...mainly when I played it...as long as they control the glissando to a moderate speed, it sound quite twinkling.

There were two inpirations for this peace. One was "Teardrops" by Arashi no Toriko. The other, was "Pianist of the Stars" played by Richard Clayderman.

Enjoy^^

Sir_Dotdotdot
October 26th, 2006, 10:21 pm
The opening chords were too powerful to be followed by the more tranquil part. And after 0:47 there were some horrible dissonances. x_x It also came back at around 1:08. The main melody was pretty nice, but it's a little to empty. The main progression also got a little tiring afterward, but it'd be eliminated if you had some more interesting accompaniment. Also, the thirds after the glissando was a little too mechanical sounding. I like your ornament around 2:40 though. I also think you should add a smoother transition to go to the higher part near the end. I also though the last low low chord wasn't necessary, the high ping chord was good enough to end it already.

ajamesu
October 27th, 2006, 07:07 am
it sounds quite japanese-like, it reminds me of this one song... i cant put my tongue on it... ;) i liked that part at around 1:40... and wow! that insert in 2:40 does sound nice :D that transition to the high part at the end just needs a slight ritardando, and it'll be all right ;) and Sir's right about the unpleasant dissonances, although somehow, it had a distinct mellow sound to them... ;) the one at 1:07 has to be fixed, though... when it transitions to a minor version of the theme, it was quite nice :D just tinker with this a bit, and it'll be great ^.^

KaitouKudou
November 23rd, 2006, 12:04 am
Hi everyone, I've finally finished my christmas song and here it is! Hope you all like it:lol:

Comments appreciated as always.

Sir_Dotdotdot
November 23rd, 2006, 12:30 am
The sleigh bells opening was too unexciting... Though the pizzicati did sound promising in a sense. The flute melody was pretty nice. But the melody repeated like three times without variations (even though you tried to do it via textures... but it didn't work cos nothing much was variated except the melody was played through different instruments). 1:23 seemed to want a high note instead. 2:01 was a little weird too. 2:15 - 2:21 needs more variated dynamics... Meaning more crescendo, it sounded like the orchestra does not know how to play crescendo. Finally, I don't think the final note was fitting.

PS: Some chords should have been done better, the progression sounded a little too... 'perfect'.

Celeste©
November 23rd, 2006, 12:47 am
Its very nice, it reminds me of something I can't put my finger on it. I's very nice.

KaitouKudou
November 23rd, 2006, 12:59 am
Sir dotdotdot: I agree with the dynamics for the ending, probably should have made it db forte. As for the final note, it might have been lacking the third and I think that's why it sounds...incomplete but I think it's necessary for a decisive ending.

It was actually a tamborine opening because I didn't have sleigh bells haha. 2:01, it was written like that by accident because i missed a sixteenth note when I first wrote it but I actually liked the accident so I decided to keep it.

Thanks for that quick comment:)

Celeste: Glad you liked it! It's good to hear a simple, "I liked your piece" comment after being told the 'painful mistakes' my newbness had made LOL!

Sir_Dotdotdot
November 23rd, 2006, 01:01 am
I As for the final note, it might have been lacking the third and I think that's why it sounds...incomplete but I think it's necessary for a decisive ending.



Lol, I don't mean incomplete incomplete, rather, I just felt the chord should be much brighter.

ajamesu
November 23rd, 2006, 02:46 am
Hmm... I think that the sound was too thin and high? Something like that... Maybe a french horn and a timpani can be added? ;) I sort of don't know what I'm talking about, so... o.o 2:15-2:21 needed accents (did you have accents on them already?) The ending seemed, in my opinion, bland. Maybe you need some percussion there? A snare throughout the piece wouldn't be a bad idea, and a timpani can really justify the end... But what do I know :P I haven't delved into orchestration yet, so my opinions are really based on imagination o.o

Sir_Dotdotdot
November 23rd, 2006, 08:05 pm
being told the 'painful mistakes' my newbness had made LOL!

XD Oh no, you're not a newbie, actually, you're one of the better composers of this forum! You just need more polishing and all that improve your skills! ;) And the advices I told you were more... um... :heh: advanced techniques? So yeah, you're on your way! :P

Ephemeral Visions
November 24th, 2006, 06:38 am
First of all, thanks for the comments on my music. I'm getting back to you and all the other wonderful people that left their well appreciated opinions. It simply wouldn't be right to expect opinion and give none in return, ne?

So I listened to a few of your songs, namely Hiking, Rain (I'm not sure which version..^ _ ^; ) and that Gundam Seed Ear Test. The last one is what I used to do, and still kinda like to do in my spare time. It's fun knowing you can program the skeleton of a fighting theme from an RPG you played seven years prior, or at least I think so. But back to the point. I liked Hiking alot. It does have that sort of classic beginning of adventure sort of feel to it. It could even have made it as an Overworld theme for the old school RPGs. Rain was really cool, but there were certian points here and there where the song went in a direction that just kinda ticked in my mind. Excelent song though. Oh, I also listened to that piano solo and read the lyrics to it. Cool lyrics, great skeleton. I can't wait to see what else you do with it. I'm going to go back and listen to all the other stuff too, so expect to hear from me again.

KaitouKudou
November 24th, 2006, 08:09 am
Ajamesu: Percussion is my weak point right now haha, there are sounds I wish I had which idon't have but over all, it's hard for me to know when to add what lol. I was thinking about a timpani and was pondering over whether it would be too heavy to have one on such a light, easygoing piece.

Sir"...": 2 orchestration books down, 1278636728342738more to go lol.

Ephemeral: I hope you didn't listen to the first mp3 for rain cause it had a place where the brass just went completely out of tune for no reason. I'm glad you liked my pieces. Do you speak Japanese and can you sing? We lost our singer for that song. :cry: But hey, life must go on. Started new song, C-pop (Chinese-pop). Hopefully I can find a DEDICATED singer for this once I'm done.

PS: No offence intended to your band Lisa, I'm just blowing off steam lol.

KaitouKudou
December 2nd, 2006, 08:31 pm
This was written based on the pentatonic scale for two instruments because the assignment required us to. I wanted the chinese violin "Er Hu" for my second instrument but well...you know. The opening section was written using only gracenotes with the word "Rub." at the start, which NWC can't play so it sounds like someone doing an awkward glissando but I can't do anything about that. Otherwise, enjoy.

Sir_Dotdotdot
December 2nd, 2006, 09:10 pm
:P Woot, someone who uses ethnic instruments! Well, I converted your piece from MIDI to MP3 using samples (yes, the erhu and the piano are REAL instruments)!

It's a nice piece, I especially liked the fast section. But one thing you should watch is the range of the erhu, cos I had to transpose some octaves up in order to make it sound!

PS: Some of the notes are missing cos my samples aren't perfect.

ajamesu
December 2nd, 2006, 10:53 pm
It's beautiful :cry: I liked the piano solo :) The chord progression went well with the song... Great job ^_^ It would sound like a Chinese pop song if you added drums and a voice, but that's not part of the assignment, so... wow :)

KaitouKudou
December 3rd, 2006, 12:07 am
:P Woot, someone who uses ethnic instruments! Well, I converted your piece from MIDI to MP3 using samples (yes, the erhu and the piano are REAL instruments)!

It's a nice piece, I especially liked the fast section. But one thing you should watch is the range of the erhu, cos I had to transpose some octaves up in order to make it sound!

PS: Some of the notes are missing cos my samples aren't perfect.

OMG that is cool!! How did you get the sound? It's still not quite like the real thing but it's close. The piece was written for the range of a clairnet because I had to perform it and I knew I wouldn't get an "erhu" for it.

Ajamesu: Yeah, I was going to add lyrics in chinese to this song. Since I got to perform this song sometimes in the next five days, and singing's not really my forte...haha.

Marty-kun
December 3rd, 2006, 01:17 am
Wow! I loved it! I wish I could compose like you... You use NWC right? Post the .nwc file!!

Sir_Dotdotdot
December 3rd, 2006, 01:20 am
OMG that is cool!! How did you get the sound? It's still not quite like the real thing but it's close. The piece was written for the range of a clairnet because I had to perform it and I knew I wouldn't get an "erhu" for it.



I'm using RA, an ethnic sample library with a bunch of cool ethnic instruments. Yes, it's a very rough work of sampling. :P If I did more tweaking and keyswitches here and there and so forth, it'll sound much more real (oh, don't forget the reverbs and convultion space thing)! :

Noir7
December 3rd, 2006, 01:23 am
Sounds pretty good if you ask me. I agree with the fact that it would fit as a pop song. Give it some electronic drums and synthy strings and there you go =P

Good job.

KaitouKudou
December 7th, 2006, 07:42 am
Wow! I loved it! I wish I could compose like you... You use NWC right? Post the .nwc file!!

You can open midi files using NWC

Sir"...": RA? Do you just put an instrument on the midi channel?

Noir7: My friend came up with a drum line for me, I guess I could just write a strings line with NWC. It's been a while since I heard from you, thanks for the comment!

Marty-kun
December 8th, 2006, 04:00 pm
You can open midi files using NWC

¬¬¡ I can open midi files with NWC, but they actually sound like crap. No matter how did you make it, it's always in fff. It's got 3 channels for piano... did you do it like that? It always appears with an extra staff for tempo. It doesn't show pedal marks.
I hate all those things. I can't have the registered version, my parents would kill me if I buy something on Internet.
Please, post (or send) it, pleeeeaaaase...

KaitouKudou
December 10th, 2006, 08:09 am
Alright, fine. Here you go;)

Marty-kun
December 10th, 2006, 07:18 pm
¡¡¡¡THANK YOU!!!!

I loved it! I'd never heard a pentatonic scale song...

One_Winged
December 10th, 2006, 10:41 pm
listened to the pentatonic-scale-song, what can I say you are quite talented.
It was very pleasant to listen to, playfull and nice. the intro is the only thing you have to do something about.

great work!

KaitouKudou
December 20th, 2006, 04:58 am
Here's a recording of "Xiang Si"..."Longing", sang by my beloved cousin Cocoa.

Lyrics:
秋雨凉,敲竹床,风吹残帘夜夜长.
月无影,挂幽窗,不闻虫儿鸣鸣唱
朝与暮,互消涨,春夏秋冬一个样
未敢想,泪已成行,杯中无酒情断肠

枯叶黄黄,流水淌淌,大雁不成双
灯一盏,照片一张,解我相思殇
无消无息不知无问你现在怎么样,何必当初放手舍我去它乡

有没有谁能听懂我的琴声陪我轻轻唱,
谁见过门前花落与我同惆怅
无求无欲不退不让我还是不能忘
怎奈天涯相隔生死两茫茫

Translation:
Cold autumn rain hitting the bamboo bed, the wind blowing against the old curtains through countless long nights.
The moon shaded, dimmed through the window, not even the chorus of bugs can be heard.
Not being able to distinguish day from night, the 4 seasons of the year feels the same
Afraid to recall, the tears begins to flow, gazing into the empty wine glass with pain.

The leaves dead, the waters still flowing, the Crain stands alone
One dimly lit light for this one picture, oh release me from my pains of longing.
I have no news of you and I don't know how to obtain it. Why did we go our separate ways in the first place?

If anyone can understand my words then please, sing with me
The fallen flowers on the ground saddens me again
I have no more to ask, I have no more to wish for; no desires and no regrets, but I still can’t forget my past
Are you alive or are you dead, there is no way for me to know.


That is the lyrics and its translations. Currently, it's just the voice over the original midi but I will be making a kareoke for the song where only the instruments with drums and synth strings will be playing so the voice completes the song.

Noir7
December 20th, 2006, 05:34 pm
That was nice -- You should buy a better mic for your cousin :) In the middle parts, where the voice rests, I'd make use of some ethnic instrument to play a solo melody, such as the Sarangi or a thai flute.

KaitouKudou
December 20th, 2006, 05:38 pm
I'm not too knowledgable in mic brands. What are some good ones? I'll just have my dad give her it when he goes back to china in march. I was thinking of either "Gu Zheng" or "Pi Pa". What does a thai flute sound like? and I've never even heard of sarangi before haha.

Sir_Dotdotdot
December 20th, 2006, 07:53 pm
Hmm... Noir did bring up an excellent suggestion... I would actually suggest a wind instrument with lighter tone quality as opposed to plucked or percussive instruments. My suggestions would either be dizi, panflute or shakuhachi, though I'm a little biased toward the panflute idea (since it's tone is so beautiful and ethnic sounding). :P As for your piece, it was pretty nice, though I found the clarinet unfitting. If you really want an instrument to back up your vocal, I'd suggest something plucked here, so it doesnt drown out the vocals. For that, I'd suggest something like guitar.

Noir7
December 20th, 2006, 10:00 pm
Sarangi is a pretty common asian instrument I think... it sounds like a violin, but it has a more dramatic and broken sound to it. Thai flutes sound like panflutes, but woodier :)

KaitouKudou
December 23rd, 2006, 11:23 pm
I was planning to upload my finished version on my next post but I'm really stuck right now. Here's what I've gotten done so far. I don't know what the solo instrument melody is going to be during the non-voiced section. I don't think I can use just tempo changes to get the opening smooth so I won't even bother. The pan-flute and the chinese flute sounds similar interms of midi.

And the plucked instruments, I was thinking of something close to Pipa so I thought maybe a shamisen or koto might work as well. That's my instrument stump. As to my melody writing stump, I don't know when it should come in. Would it be too sudden if I just instroduced a new instrument right after the singing goes to rest?

Advice, opinions, crits plz. Thank you.
KK

KaitouKudou
January 7th, 2007, 09:04 pm
I was digging through some old songs and I came across one that I thought I deleted a long time ago. This was back when I did everything spontaniously but it sounded pretty good so I'll post it so I know where to look for it if I really do delete it in the future. I believe it was me trying to imitate different events in an RPG.

PFK
January 10th, 2007, 10:38 am
This was written based on the pentatonic scale for two instruments because the assignment required us to. I wanted the chinese violin "Er Hu" for my second instrument but well...you know. The opening section was written using only gracenotes with the word "Rub." at the start, which NWC can't play so it sounds like someone doing an awkward glissando but I can't do anything about that. Otherwise, enjoy.

I LOVE this song :D

I like the melody which starts at 0:54 very much, I've actually been trying to play that part on my Piano + Harmonica :D

ajamesu
January 10th, 2007, 10:39 pm
I just had to comment on how great "Xiang Si" is, I've had it in my head for a while now (especially the melody that PFK mentioned). As for the solo, the melody could be both melodies playing at the same time (strings playing the first melody, and solo instrument playing the second melody simultaneously), but with a bit of grace notes and syncopation (something that sounds improvised). Great job :D

KaitouKudou
January 11th, 2007, 04:29 am
I've finished Xiang Si, I've already sent the kareoke version to my cousin and I'm just waiting for her to record it for me. Here is the midi and I will post the one with her voice over it when she sends me it.

PS: This is the non kareoke version with clairnet as role of human voice.
PPS: I will edit the voiced one on to this same reply.

KaitouKudou
March 10th, 2007, 08:02 pm
Alright, I haven't posted anything for a while and it's because I've working on my band arrangement for the students. This is a dorian song I started and been working on for the past few days. It's my first time ever trying out the dorian scale so it flips back and forth between minor and dorian but I pictured the music to be something for a strategy game of the dark ages. Only thing I wish I had now were windchimes lol.

PS: If the song volume sound too low, try using a headset cause it's as loud as I can make it without changing the dynamics to something rediculous for the type of song it is.

deathraider
March 11th, 2007, 05:55 am
I'm not sure how Celtic it sounds to me, but I like it. It brings more Norse things to mind, for some reason.

clarinetist
March 11th, 2007, 12:10 pm
Wind chimes would go well with this song :) ...

Is that an English horn at 1:30?

~~~

You did say this was a band arrangement, right? :P It sounds like it has some strings in it.

deathraider
March 11th, 2007, 05:01 pm
No, he didn't say it was for band, he said he hasn't posted anything because he's been working on a band arrangement.

KaitouKudou
March 12th, 2007, 02:35 am
Deathraider: I'm not sure what kind of mood celtic is actually. I named it that cause I thought celtic meant dorian melodies.:heh:

Clairnetist: Yes it is. I'm surprised that you managed to hear the difference. It was originaly the oboe but the range of the oboe did not allow me to get that one low note so I changed it to an english horn and volla, just right!

deathraider
March 12th, 2007, 03:30 am
"Celtic" is like Irish, Scottish, and Welsh. Celtic music does use dorian mode sometimes, but definitely not all of it does.

Do you know what "Norse" is?

KaitouKudou
March 12th, 2007, 07:14 am
Yeah, I am familar with Norse. Mostly with the Norse gods from school though. Not so much it's stylistics in music

clarinetist
March 12th, 2007, 11:26 am
Clairnetist: Yes it is. I'm surprised that you managed to hear the difference.

Me and my orchestration studies... :heh:...

What program do you use? :think:

KaitouKudou
March 12th, 2007, 06:52 pm
I currently use Notion.

www.notionmusic.com if you want to know some more info on it.

KaitouKudou
April 11th, 2007, 01:05 am
Long time again guys, here is one of my new songs I've been working on and yes, that is me playing. I know there are mistakes and I will resubmit one with out any soon. This was the first video I ever submited on youtube and that is why I wanted to know how it works before I start putting more on it. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjxm9TZD57k

Sir_Dotdotdot
April 11th, 2007, 01:13 am
I didn't get to listen to much of it because of my slow and unstable internet, but I did get a glance and feel of your music.

Firstly, your glisses sounded quite overdone, you shouldn't have done so many. x_x Secondly, your melody seems too similar to those Chinese popular music, so I don't know whether if that was what you want. That's all the information I could get from it. XP

KaitouKudou
April 11th, 2007, 01:23 am
haha, I'm surprised Sir ... this song will be the song I'm going to sing for the Chinese-pop contest if I decide to participate next year. My last one's mood was too old and would have worked great if this was the 70s but I needed something more modern. I still need lyrics for this though. The music isn't final, I think I'm going to take out the glissandos in the intro part and put it in during the climax.

ajamesu
April 16th, 2007, 03:46 am
I didn't think the glissandi were overdone; IMO they were appropriately placed and gave some excitement to the piece. However, you did use a tad too much pedal...

KaitouKudou
April 16th, 2007, 08:21 am
The version you heard and the version Sir... heard are probably different. I re-recorded and edited my post so that it is now the new recording where I've removed the opening gliss. I probably used too much pedal though lol.:P

renzbteves
April 17th, 2007, 03:24 am
KK, I don't mean to be rude but what I've felt from your instrumental songs that I listened, gives me some feelings about funerals, games, and it was like the movie called "The Exorcist."
Your songs aren't that horrible, I suggest you put some thinking into it about selecting what kind of musical instruments you will use or set and also the volume level. Overall, your songs are extraordinary... Unfortunately, extraordinary bad... but it's still relaxing to hear it.

ajamesu
April 17th, 2007, 06:25 am
What? Funerals? "The Exorcist"? Are you deaf? His songs aren't that bad or gloomy x_x

Oh I see. If there was gliss. in the beginning, then you did well to take them out, but the excess pedal was mostly annoying in the end when all the tones became smooshed together x_x Other than that, good luck with the lyrics :)

KaitouKudou
April 17th, 2007, 07:38 am
KK, I don't mean to be rude but what I've felt from your instrumental songs that I listened, gives me some feelings about funerals, games, and it was like the movie called "The Exorcist."
Your songs aren't that horrible, I suggest you put some thinking into it about selecting what kind of musical instruments you will use or set and also the volume level. Overall, your songs are extraordinary... Unfortunately, extraordinary bad... but it's still relaxing to hear it.

I don't know what you're talking about. Which song was gloomy? The only one I can think of is that celtic one I posted that was semi gloomy and is also half done. If you just came on to BS just to sound critical you've failed. If I receive another BS comment like this from you, I will put you on ignore list.

Edit: I just realized this guy is writing comments like this to every composer on Ichigos. Just ignore him from now.

renzbteves
April 17th, 2007, 01:15 pm
I don't mean to be rude KK, I'm just being honest about it. I just want to judge and comment about songs in here.

Matt
April 17th, 2007, 08:08 pm
oh boy renzbteves, my dear, I guess I'm talking for everyone here when I say, please keep your crappy little (totaly useless, unqualified and utterly rude) comments to yourself. Thanks :) To just participate in a forum in order insult other people, get a life dude. This is a forum to support and help amateur composers afterall.

Sir_Dotdotdot
April 17th, 2007, 08:12 pm
I agree with Matt, and adding to Matt's comment:

It's not like you are showcasing your compositions, like everyone else here, even if you are or will be, I doubt they're any better than anyone's music here. Besides, you gave literally no help or ways to improve for the composers. Therefore: If you have nothing good or helpful to say, don't say anything. Thank you very much.

Edit: Sorry KK, for using your thread. x_x

Noir7
April 17th, 2007, 08:18 pm
renzbteves;

If you don't change your childish attitude, you will be banned. Coming here just to feel superior (to those who are actually quite superior to you) by bashing their compositions, which I bet you didn't even listen to, is really lame. I'll give you one chance to adjust, and I'll consider counter-weighting you acting like a retard around here.

KaitouKudou
April 18th, 2007, 01:20 am
lol I doubt anyone took his comments seriously anyways. Just leave the exorcist idiot. If it was me, I would have banned him from the start but you're much kinder than I am Noir7 lol. His probably doing this just to see how much of a riot he can cause.

"I don't mean to be rude," he says. Such a hypocrite.

Enough of this I added him to my ignore list and that's where his gonna stay!

Rovski
April 18th, 2007, 04:55 am
LOL, nice one.

KaitouKudou
June 1st, 2007, 03:23 am
Hello everyone, I haven't posted anything in a while and sorry that this isn't a new song. Xiang Si has finally been recorded with voice and complete instrumentation (Midi).

http://www.zshare.net/audio/20911861d9704a/

Enjoy:lol: