i would like to know how some people became mods because i just met the most rude moderator i have ever met. i had a feeling my thread would be closed because it wasnt anime, but i just wanted to know if anyone had an idea where to find a song. i knew it wasnt anime, but does that give them the right to call me a bitch!?

The closing of your thread was completely justifiable. You did not follow the rules of that forum. Noir7 was just doing his job.

i do not have a problem with the thread being closed. if you read my post you would understand. but isnt it a bit over the top to resort to personal insults?

Personal insults? It was a little rude, but I really don't think it was meant to be taken too seriously. After all, you broke a rule that has been broken many times before. It's only natural that mods will get irritated. Just try not to take it too personally. After all, Ichigo's does specialize in only Anime & Game music; I'm sure there are plenty of other sites out there for your request. :)

Well, sorry if you took it that hard but come on, it's the Internet for God's sake. Don't get all personal. At least now you will take time and read the rules before posting.

And for future reference if you have complaints send them directly to that person. Thank you,

XD how random

well alot of us do get fed up with people not following the rules or the 1 that gets me requesting something that has already been fulfilled about 50 milliion times and when you think you'll be generous and help that 1 person 2 weeks later someone will request the same thing. there's big bold red letters stating the rules of requesting sheet music and it's really basic and short.

ok, well, let me clear some things up because you are making it out all wrong. IF anyone else said it, whatever. but as a mod said it i found it a bit weird because they earned that position with work(i hope) and it did not seem very proffesional like. i knew it would likely be closed, and i dont normally break the rules like that, but i had no luck on any site. all it took was a simple "read the rules" or such.

well in my eyes a good mod would be a regular member of ichigos and 1 who can monitor the threads well. if there's something that needs locking it shall be locked. if you think our mods are rude just wait till you meet our admins. well just 1 of them

Haha, you're just setting yourself up Sephy aren't you? XD Anyway, I'll leave this thread open a bit longer so you guys can rant about me ~

actually im surprised it hasnt been closed yet

well in my eyes a good mod would be a regular member of ichigos and 1 who can monitor the threads well. if there's something that needs locking it shall be locked. if you think our mods are rude just wait till you meet our admins. well just 1 of them
Better watch it...you've already been banned once today...:shifty:

ok, well, let me clear some things up because you are making it out all wrong. IF anyone else said it, whatever. but as a mod said it i found it a bit weird because they earned that position with work(i hope) and it did not seem very proffesional like. i knew it would likely be closed, and i dont normally break the rules like that, but i had no luck on any site. all it took was a simple "read the rules" or such.

Mods are not robots. They are people just like you and me. Try and put your shoes in their position. Many people's topics get closed because of the actions they did. Your not the first one, and there will be one time when enough is enough. You just ended up as the unlucky one to recieve the "bitch" comment.

Besides, this forum isnt popular enough to be in the news/media, so why should we be soo professional? This isnt a commerical forum, or so I think it is.

It is a bit surprising at first, but once you get used to some of the "higher powers" being up-their-own-ass, elitist, arrogant, racist bastards, this place isn't so bad. Oops. *gets banned for not breaking a rule*

Personally, it makes more sense to me to choose mods who don't mind helping people, like Gand. If they get pissy and hate it when someone breaks a rule, and THEY have to do ALL the WORK of CLOSING a THREAD (read: push one button) just because some "bitch" wanted to find something out, then what are they doing in that position? Shouldn't you WANT to help people if you're going to? The idea's not to harass people, like the mods here do, but moderate people (hence the term lolzwtfbbq). But no, rather than helping new members find their way around (that job's left to the regular members), some of the mods just run around swearing and cussing at people, because they can.

It is a bit surprising at first, but once you get used to some of the "higher powers" being up-their-own-ass, elitist, arrogant, racist bastards, this place isn't so bad. Oops. *gets banned for not breaking a rule*

Personally, it makes more sense to me to choose mods who don't mind helping people, like Gand. If they get pissy and hate it when someone breaks a rule, and THEY have to do ALL the WORK of CLOSING a THREAD (read: push one button) just because some "bitch" wanted to find something out, then what are they doing in that position? Shouldn't you WANT to help people if you're going to? The idea's not to harass people, like the mods here do, but moderate people (hence the term lolzwtfbbq). But no, rather than helping new members find their way around (that job's left to the regular members), some of the mods just run around swearing and cussing at people, because they can.

Well spoken. Too bad nobody gives a damn, really.

Elistist, arrogant... okay sure :P

Racist?

Racist?

For example:
http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=7278


Too bad nobody gives a damn, really.

Incorrect. People obviously do care; that's why this thread was created. I'm sure others feel the same way - it's only natural. However, the people who DO care just don't have any power to change it. Unfortunately this isn't a democracy. It's an "adapt or GTFO" situation. But that doesn't mean that we can't complain about it.

We're not forcing you to stay here, if you don't like it just go away. You don't need power to change anything, you have the power to leave. That's all you need, really.

That's what I was saying. But that's the problem exactly. Why not strive to make the forums a place where everyone is welcome? Why would you want to have people want to leave? Why would you want to create an unfriendly environment? Why not fix it? What's the point? So you can bitch and hassle people around? What do you gain? Self gratification? What does anyone else gain by your behaivor?

It all seems so pointless.

We're mods - we're meant to be moaned about. If we took every complaint that was made about us to heart we'd've been gone long ago. Forums are a cross-section of society. Unfortunately, like every society, there will always be people who feel unwelcome or like they don't belong. There will always be people like us mods - I've gotten pissed off with my share of forum members too. The point is that if you really want to be in this community then you'll try to fit in, and you'll acknowledge, just like in society, there are people out there who will insult you and piss you off. You've got just as much right to be here as anyone else - it's whether you take that right or not which determines whether you stay here and put up with the odd poke from a mod now and then, or leave and never return.

But the point is that mods and admins should be helpful to said society, not detrimental. The rude and unhelpful members should be dealt with, not promoted to positions of authority.

Haha, were we rude and unhelpful before we became mods? Have to ask the members that, really. Sometimes when you get promoted to a position of authority you have to do things that people sometimes aren't happy with. The reason people like us get promoted is because we're respected by other members - they trust us to make the judgement calls and do the right thing. Or in my case, I was a complete unknown but came to be respected by doing a good job of being a mod. Noir7 is an excellent composer and well-respected by his peers. That's why there's lots of people sticking up for him around here ;)

Sometimes, alas, we just get plain sick of people acting like idiots. If someone's being stupid in the RP, and I've had a bad day, I'm sorry, but I will show them a lot less tolerance than perhaps I would do normally. What can I say, I'm human. Unfortunately with forums you can't mod them with a servbot like you can in IRC channels - you need someone who can exercise discretion, and that's why the job is entrusted to us.

I don't have a problem when mods do their jobs when it's necessary. But was it necessary for Noir7 to call someone who was asking for help a bitch?
In response to a "your mom" joke in the General Chat board:

Make a comment like that again and I'll see to it that you're against the rules and then properly disposed off.
Is using intimidation and abuse of power because someone's sense of humor differs from your own a good use of responsibility? Is it necessary to help someone?

Of course it's natural to get annoyed sometimes, but it's not like these people are trying just to piss you off. They just need help. So what if they haven't perused over the Rules? They're humans too. And when they ask for help, their threads get locked and they get personally insulted? No bueno, mi amigos.

I don't have a problem when mods do their jobs when it's necessary. But was it necessary for Noir7 to call someone who was asking for help a bitch?
In response to a "your mom" joke in the General Chat board:

Is using intimidation and abuse of power because someone's sense of humor differs from your own a good use of responsibility? Is it necessary to help someone?

Of course it's natural to get annoyed sometimes, but it's not like these people are trying just to piss you off. They just need help. So what if they haven't perused over the Rules? They're humans too. And when they ask for help, their threads get locked and they get personally insulted? No bueno, mi amigos.


Aha, oh no you don't Egmont. Angelic had every right to respond like that to me. I've been an annoyance to him in the past, if I was him I would have reacted worse to it. (and actually I was just trying to piss him off, I just found a way to do it in which I got my kicks and giggles ^.^) But no, I don't hold anything against Angelic for merely saying "That one was over the top, do it again and your out". It's fine, no hard feelings. Just get the hell over it if a mod/admin tells you off. It aint the end of the world, just straighten up

It's not that. I've personally never been badgered by a mod or admin. I'm just saying that it's an abuse of power. Using mod or admin powers for personal gain isn't the point of said powers; they should be used to help the community. And it can easily be done without insulting those whom you are "helping."

Really, we don't care if you think our mods are rude :) We have plenty of members here who are rude and not mods, and the moderators of this forum are not necessarily chosen because they're always nice - they're chosen because they get the job done. Of course the people who don't read the rules are human, but so are the mods. I'm usually one of the first to jump when people- be they mods, admins or members- are unnecessarily and overly nasty, but it's a fact of life that people are NOT always nice, mods are not perfect, and no-one is always polite.

It may not have been truly necessary in the case that's being talked about, but Noir7 is a great mod, and has really earned the right to occasionally say things that aren't the best. And well, Heartnet, if he's the rudest mod you've ever come across, you are EXTREMELY lucky, my friend. I have met MANY, many who would do worse than call you a bitch. Ichigos has the best moderating team of any forum I have ever been a member of. It's a very small team compared to most large forums, and our mods have a lot to look after, and they do it well. If they lose patience occasionally, well who can blame them.

And yes, I'm aware of the fact that I'm technically a part of the moderating team, so it may sound like I'm singing my own praises, but I'm mostly talking about our Global Mods and admins - i help in only a very small portion of this site.

I'm really not seeing how calling someone a bitch is a personal gain, and if your referring to angelic and his response to my momma joke, well I was looking for a reaction and got one. Not like he asked me to make a momma joke so he could tell me off. Where is the personal gain?

you damn lucky swedish bastard *shakes fist*

well as I said, to help people around here with what they need and help them get around. meh maybe to those who put at least some kind of effort into the forum. to just sign up and be like mehhhh i can't be arsed to look for something i'll post up a new thread.

view this (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php)

this is just the basics which everyone should know and when it gets broken time and time again of course we're going to have zero tolerance at times. if people won't put any effort into things then neither will we

Basically your argument boils down to: the mods have a right to be pissed off and it's all the member's faults for breaking the long list of rules. You're diverting all blame from the mods and placing it on the members who simply require help. I know the mods don't care whether they're rude or not. If they did, they wouldn't BE rude. That's the point. I'm just trying to convince you that it doesn't help anyone to be a jackass. I don't care if Noir7 is a great person. But calling a new member a "bitch" because he made one mistake isn't the act of a great person.

Good:

Newbie: *asks for something not allowed*
Sondagger: *provides link for rules and adds nice friendly face*

Bad:

Newbie: *asks for Kingdom Hearts music*
Noir7: Die.


Edit:

Where is the personal gain?
The personal gain is in the satisfaction of knowing that you have power over someone else and the ability to use it against them to fit your own desires.

HERE ARE THE RULES


new member: "requests something that are against the rules"

old member: "why post the link with a smilie face it's staring you right in the face"

Courtesy and politeness. Or, if that's too much, then you could just be neutral. But insulting isn't good or necessary.

That's all I'm sayin', folks.

If a member is respected, he will be dealt with, in a respectful mannor
http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?p=267769#post267769

If a member is a newb who clearly refuses to read the rules even if its in bold red size 96, well, Bitch is a rather nice term for them.

Also, the mods/admins don't get satisfaction out of telling people off or banning a newb, it's just part of their job.

So if it's a respected member who clearly refuses to read the rules, then he's dealt with respectfully, but if it's a newb who clearly refuses to read the rules, then he gets insulted? Okay.

A member who is already respected will be treated respectedly. A newb who is not already respected who makes a post that is very disrespectful to the mods/admins who took the time to write in big red bold letters the rules, will be dealt in such manner.

*runs round in circles*

let's say you was standing next to a massive billboard (for those of you who dont know those massive advertisements that you see on the roads when driving) saying this way to disney world. you had 1 person come up to you and say "excuse me which way is it to disneyworld you would laugh and go oh it's this way.

next person comes up. "which way to disney world".......that way

5th person comes up "which way to disney world".....there's a massive billlboard saying that it's that way.

18th person comes up "Liek Zomg mickey mouse is soo 1337 i love him to bits so liek if you could point me out to disney world that would be liek sooo cool.
the big fuck off sign says it's that way

person 50 comes up

100
200
.....

don't tell me your gonna stay calm and well mannered all the time. dude eventually your going to blow

haha, walk around under big ben and ask someone what time it is, a minute later, ask him again, and one minute later, ask him again. Just to see what happens

^ an even better example. you know it's going to piss people off

@Egmont: The topic maker did not only brake the rules -- he KNEW he was doing it and clearly said so himself. That kind of ignorance is beyond me. We're one of the very, very few good sites which concentrate on the game/anime music genre, and we work hard to maintaining that. Missing the rules thread is ridiculous (it's in huge, red bold letters) but actually reading it and *then* posting against the rules is retarded on a high level.

@the racism thing: What? O__O;;

Oh my goodness. This has gone on for three pages...are we done arguing yet?

nope, not until Egmont accepts that the admins and mods have a right to occassionally call a newb a bitch

Well, screw him! This thread is meaningless!

But it's amusing!

It's not that. I've personally never been badgered by a mod or admin. I'm just saying that it's an abuse of power. Using mod or admin powers for personal gain isn't the point of said powers; they should be used to help the community. And it can easily be done without insulting those whom you are "helping."

Really? Its Your responsibility to read the rules. I personally don't care if its a five year old or a twenty year old that comes in here and rants about how mods are doing a bad job. You read the rules, You follow them, and Everyone will be happy. You brought this on yourself for not reading the rules, so the mods have the right of saying whatever they want to say in response because they are tired of people not reading the rules.

If you don't see the rules, you click the FAQ button on the top of the forum.


The personal gain is in the satisfaction of knowing that you have power over someone else and the ability to use it against them to fit your own desires.


Your thread has only been closed once. Don't make assumptions about mods if its for the first time. You accept it and look at other threads that are closed and learn from those. Don't assume something if you only experienced it once. The only way the mods are truly unfair is only if you were banned along with the topic being closed. But I don't see you banned here. Its like you come in here and expect a VIP class membership, mocking at the person because he/she/it did not treat you right. No. We don't like people like that. You have 0 respect once you started as a member, and you work on it. Ever wonder why you say you don't have the power to change anything? Well, thats not because the mods are overpowered, but you sir don't have enough respect among members in the forum to do such a thing.

:mellow:

Unfortunately this isn't a democracy.What precisely is so "unfortunatey about Ichigo's not being a democracy?


It's an "adapt or GTFO" situation. But that doesn't mean that we can't complain about it. To an Ichigo's member, complaining is a privilege, not a right.


Why not strive to make the forums a place where everyone is welcome?Why don't you go make your own forums where everyone is welcome and leave us?


Why would you want to have people want to leave?Specifically which and what kind of people want to leave?


Why would you want to create an unfriendly environment?The same environment is not friendly to everyone. Go find your own friendly environment.


Why not fix it?Why don't you make your own flawless forums?


What's the point?What's the point of trying to change things you can't? Go do something, like make your own forums.


So you can bitch and hassle people around? What do you gain? Self gratification? What does anyone else gain by your behaivor? What we gain cannot be described by mere words. If people want to come here to be bitched at and hassled, then we will gladly provide them with these services! Alternatively, they can always go to your flawless friendly forum.


It all seems so pointless.So why don't you go make your own friendly forums already?


But the point is that mods and admins should be helpful to said society, not detrimental.Who is the person that specified what the point is?


The rude and unhelpful members should be dealt with, not promoted to positions of authority.Who said that?


Is using intimidation and abuse of power because someone's sense of humor differs from your own a good use of responsibility?What specifically is a good use of responsibility?


Is it necessary to help someone?When is it necessary to help someone?


They just need help.Readily available at Egmont's Friendly Forums. They're looking for help in the wrong place.


And when they ask for help, their threads get locked and they get personally insulted? No bueno, mi amigos.Of course, that won't happen at Egmont's Friendly Forums! People who only know Spanish are also welcomed there.


I'm just saying that it's an abuse of power. Using mod or admin powers for personal gain isn't the point of said powers; they should be used to help the community.So why are you telling the admins and mods how to do their job?


And it can easily be done without insulting those whom you are "helping."What do you mean by "helping" (instead of helping)?


Basically your argument boils down to: the mods have a right to be pissed off and it's all the member's faults for breaking the long list of rules.No, and your argument boils down to "The admins and mods should listen to me because I know how to do their job better than them".


You're diverting all blame from the mods and placing it on the members who simply require help.And you're diverting all blame from the members who simply came to the wrong place for help and placing it on the mods.


I'm just trying to convince you that it doesn't help anyone to be a jackass.So, how does not being a jackass not help anyone?


But calling a new member a "bitch" because he made one mistake isn't the act of a great person. Your judgement of Noir7's character is based on one comment alone?


The personal gain is in the satisfaction of knowing that you have power over someone else and the ability to use it against them to fit your own desires.Are the admins and mods denying you this satisfaction?


Courtesy and politeness. Or, if that's too much, then you could just be neutral. But insulting isn't good or necessary.You must live a very sheltered life.


So if it's a respected member who clearly refuses to read the rules, then he's dealt with respectfully, but if it's a newb who clearly refuses to read the rules, then he gets insulted? Okay.That's right. I'm glad you understand.

The insults could be worse... such as:

Your tiny little brain cannot even comprehend the meaning of the word "gay" so why do you use it? Using it in your context, the word "gay" only refers to yourself, because you're an utter moron who has a brain the size of a tiny little grain of salt that's on top of that malfunctioning.

You sir, should shut your fucking piehole.

(aha, nice Dark Bring)

I've personally never been badgered by a mod or admin.

I think it's funny that it's always people who haven't been affected by something make the greatest fuss about it. In the Netherlands we once had a product called "Negerzoenen". Basically "Neger" is a dutch word for Black person, like nigger in English but in Dutch it's not generally meant as an insult. However, some anti-racism club, of who none were black, made a fuss about the product (note: the product has been around for yeeeaaaars) and demanded that the word "neger" was removed. Now those things are just called "zoenen".

Another example is that in the Netherlands we have this thing in December when a guy called Saint Nick comes around giving pressies to children. He has helpers who climb through chimneys. And they are black because of the soot and stuff in the chimney. And now that stupid anti-racism group is making a fuss about that. Something that's been around for centuries and they want it banned. THAT is fucking retarded.

And it has nothing to do with them anyway.

Dark Bring has, somehow, voiced my opinion that I couldn't express.

So if it's a respected member who clearly refuses to read the rules, then he's dealt with respectfully, but if it's a newb who clearly refuses to read the rules, then he gets insulted? Okay.

erm, well I guess cos the older member is loved by people. If someone who was your good friend over a long period of time you would be nicer to them to someone you don't know right?

Alright, alright, I get it already. If nobody else cares about the mods and admins being rude, then I won't either. I've been here for almost a year, and I've always thought that it reflected badly on the community, but apparently not.

I was just trying to stick up for the n00b guy, you know?

>_<
It's not that we don't care about them being rude
it's just that its.. ummmm *can't word it*
>____< eeep.

@those people who are complaining - the mods have become more relaxed now. I used to argue with one of them every week for different reasons. I've argued with most of the mods at least once, but when you get to know them, they are actually nice people. I personally think that the intelligence of the people who are active here is above average, and maybe its just pure stupidity that annoys the mods. To be fair pure stupidity annoys other members too. Sometimes the mods do make decisions which i think are unjustifiable though, but hey nobody's perfect.

I think the mods and admins are just doing their jobs (non paying ones XD). But I do have a problem with one's 'tude. He was nice to me at first then when the year changed just started being mean..

T_T I dont even know what I did T_T

uuh wild guess Angelic?

No, Gand.[/sarcasm]

._.

I have no idea what I did but I guess I will say sorry. Hope then mends the rip.

I think it was your general...your...I think it was just you being you that ticked him off.

I think it might have been you saying "I'm Bi not GAY!"
cos Angelic always rants about you being gay.

He does? Lol.

meh the dude has lost his will to fight and with that i now believe that this thread has served it's purpose. pointless this now being a suck up to the admins or your chance to bitch about them so might as well lock it.

As said before.

"It's the internet for God's Sake, don't take everything so personal."

That's the end of this thread. Lol. No one actually knows who people are personally here. If someones a bitch-so the f**k what? Blow it off, unless your emo, then it haunts you forever.

If someones rude, mainly just blow 'em off and continue. If something gets locked, of course your gonna be all "Wtf?" but dont't go making a topic in this place for that. I know it's feedback, but someone also said just to report the problem ala PM.

That's all I have to REPEAT.

kthxbai.

As I said, keeping this thread open has provided much entertainment ;)

I think it might have been you saying "I'm Bi not GAY!"
cos Angelic always rants about you being gay.

It's rather him switching from being a homophobe to being bisexual. And him always leaving and coming back within a few days. And being an FF fanboy, and a Nintendo fanboy, and a fanboy in general.

But on the other hand, can't be arsed to go on about that too much now ~_~ my stupid brother woke me up early today cos his Windows had stopped working.

And this thread has well served its purpose.