I ran into a site about Mercury and aliens on www.mercurytheory.com.
Does anyone ever wonder if there’s more technology going on than just the technology on Earth? Maybe aliens have more technology on Mercury than what is available to us currently. I’d even be curious to find out whether aliens are really smarter than us, especially if they’re taking of mercury since March of 1962.

wrong section, but i donno. life on mercury? although its possible that there are forms of life that we cannot detect or comprened, it is doubtful that forms of life would reside on a chunk of rock a few million kilometers from then sun.

*moves thread*

If aliens were smarter, they'd have found a way to contact us since we're in the same galaxy assuming there are some on mercury. They'd be limited by resources though so probably wouldn't be able to do that.

yes...even if they were able to, and had the resources, would it be logical to contact us?

Im guessing there would be two sides to this, 1 we would acquire vast ammounts of tech in one go and learn of extraterrestrial beings, this would be a learning experience.

2..is it the right time for us to know all that? its like giving a 12 year old a gun..it could be safe..teach him about guns and stuff/responsibility or he could start shooting people.

Remember K-pax? In the movie he said that if he told the guy how to travel on a beam of light, we would blow ourselves up. Theoreticaly, if we get too much tech too quickly, it would be somewhat like the industrial revolution. Do we know how that affected the planet as a whole? Thats right, pollution, global warming, ozone holes, over population, mass extinction of animals, and desertification.

Kpax....sounds very familiar...I gotta watch that again :)

Even if contact was made, a "responsible" estraterrestrial life form would let tech trickle down to us, not just go "Here, 2000 years worth of tech, happy birthday" but then again who is to say these "people" want to help us?

.....*speaks slowly* I'm not one to believe in aliens, and what would they really want with us if they were so advance? Don't give me that dissecting excuse, it's overused and plain stupid. And why would they give us-or let us see for that matter-their tech tools? They'd act like what we would act like when we see them: not sure of what to do, but whatever it is it's not gonna be pretty.

i do not thing an advanced species would even bother to use violence. why go out of your way to nuke an ant hill in a desert because they were vulgar?

and plus yes the dissecting excuse is really stupid. if you look at it in a way - we are simple almalgams of simple elements that are found anywhere. we are not complicated, were are just millions of cells that form a larger organism witch is as simple as the strands of dna we are composed of. all that might seem complicated and unthinkable, since weve been the most advanced species that weve known of since man could speak, but if you put yourslef in an infinitely wise and advanced species, they could lagh at how we think were complex. they perhaps would look at us as we look at our newborns.

my 2 cents.

i do not thing an advanced species would even bother to use violence. why go out of your way to nuke an ant hill in a desert because they were vulgar?


Theres one species that would. Humans.

because humans are sooooooooooooooooooo advanced right? i mean yes we can make fire, electricity, make peices of metal, alloys and plastics create lines of 0 and 1 for us, but morally, weve got a looooooooooooooohohong way to go. ill call us advanced when our goal isnt to mass wealth, but to better ouselves as a species in every way.

just imagine, or try to grasp the concept of being that are a million years ahead of us.

Just the fact that we are human means that we can only think one certain way in a finite number of possibilities. An alien from a different species would also have its own particular way of thinking.
So, a being from a different intelligent species would probably be completely unimaginable to us.

For the whole "are humans really advanced since we blow ourselves up?" question, I have this to say:
What you see and what I see as kindness or violence is all realative. It's true that us humans have done unspeakably horrible things to each other, but after all that, we are still capable of amazingly kind things. Maybe there's a space-traveling species out there that only seeks to destroy and kill. Are they worse than us? a human would say yes, but a being from that other culture would say no. What we see as good and bad is not the same judgement a different species would give.

your theory is quite plausible, but to destroy without warning or reason is quite wasteful, it would make technological advancement very difficult like "hey dude i made this new gadget! (other dude responds) "F**KING DIE!!!!!!!!" then "damn how does this thing work..." i hope you see my point. it would be more difficult for a species to go beyond stone age if theyr so busy killing themselve or anyone they come into contact with. now as for xenophobic creatures, we are of that nature ourselves, as a natural defence mechanism, but to deliberately go out of your way to eradicate other forms of life, would be illogical. now the species could be very emotional in nature, making it violent for sometimes no reason. yet i dont really see why their evolution would take them into a path where killing for no reason would be good. i see your point, and it is a possibility, i just dont think its very plausible.

One major thing separates humans from the "higher evolved": society. The way that is to day interferes with a very important element in evolution: natural selection, or so called "survival of the fittest" In order to evolve, our world would have to change as a whole, first we need world peace, and to COMPLETELY eliminate racism. Then we have to abandon most liberties, mainly: breeding would have to be controled and planned by scientists, artificial insemination like in the movie Gataca would be nesisary. Also, we would have to eradicate all crime, possibly by making the death penalty a result for most crimes, even simple theft. Society would have to have one goal in mind: advancing as a race. There would have to be mass genocides, for those who are handicaped or those with inferior genes.
I DO NOT condone any of that, God knows I like freedom and am not evil, but all that would be imperative before we could advance. Personaly, I think we might have to think about compremizing liberties in order to create a sustainable planet.
One thing we do need, and I would like to see, is better recycling programs, less waste, and more polititians that care primarily about the future of the planet. I'm sure most of you agree that "green" is the future, or else.

i agree. such a totalitarian reing would be a kick in the teeth to the human valors that we have to uphold. the human rights for example. a handicapped may have flaws and all, but it is a person.

personally, i would pour money in education and science. literally give it away. i do not deny that it would make life less confortable since other comforts would be lessened, but after five to ten decades, the advancements in technology would make for a clean planet, food, water and houses for every man, woman and child. although this appears utopian, it is well within our potential. after the immidiate survival needs are met, the entire race could devote itself to learning, exploring, making the whole better.

think about it, just imagine, if you didnt need food, water to pay for your house or you electricity, what would you do all day? you could just sit there and m*******te to p**n(censored for the yunglings :heh: ), or go out to open door institutions and do whatever is on the menu. if you like arts, the art wing of this building is at the right. get where im going?

this might look star trek is XD:lol: :heh: :sweat: , but a hundred years ago people never even though that even in fiction things like computers would exist. we cant even imagine what can happen in a hundred years. if we dont destroy ourselves first. (damn nukes...)-_-

So it's settled, we all should sacrifice a few things here and there, the result being a society devoted towards its future. Everyone in?

if you look at it in one way, weve always been devoted to the future. you know, kids and stuff.

im just saying mabe we should take a couple billion away from the bomb-making budjet, and stick it into a better subject. amerikkans have enough bombs to destroy the world 3 times over, so WHY ARE THEY MAKING MORE???

the human way do far is "Ive got to protect myself, even if it means destroying something of greater value"

...makes me think of children for some reason...

If aliens were smarter, they'd have found a way to contact us since we're in the same galaxy assuming there are some on mercury. They'd be limited by resources though so probably wouldn't be able to do that.

Hold that thought, not all other planets have the same recources as Earth's as you remeber as that robot on Mars is traveling, we discovered that it has various types of rocks, some similar to ours, and some not. And remember, that we have not yet ventured and succesfully landed on every planet in our system. So we have yet to know what resources, or what's out there.

Also, don't ya'll think that the idea and construction of the B2 Stealth Bomber is probably from the construction of a UFO? Look, here's evidence.

http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/10182006/s8_5c0a34d2b48d9e0.jpg (http://www.imgdump.net/)

This a photo of a UFO sighting in Santa Monica, California. Was takon on Oct 18, 1999

Now here, is the photo of the B2 Stealth Bomber.

http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/10182006/s8_92e875c17894905.jpg (http://www.imgdump.net/)

Now, I know this isn't that accurate, but I had seen something about somone earlier around the 1970-80s sighted a similar boomerang UFO sighting, but looks more similar to the B2 bomber. I forgot where although. As so, maybe we also recieved the same ideas for the F-117 stealth bomber. And MAYBE, even the F-35 Joint strike jet fighter, coming out soon in the air force.
This prototype photo is of the F-35 JSF which, the thruster is jointed, and is similar to the harrier, but the thruster alone moves in all directions.

http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/10182006/s8_c5ca0e790f54647.jpg (http://www.imgdump.net/)

So, you see, there might have been space travel for some advanced species out there that we don't know about. For it is highly predictable that that is where we get out recent fighter jets, as so in Area-51 which, is NOT an alien experimentation facility, but of future aeronautical vehicles are produced, and tested. Also, if any of you remember the Roswell incident. And the massive cover-up for it. So, there is something out there... We just don't know it.

because people are smart, but the mass population pretty much isnt.

did anyone actually chech out that link? (guys you didnt) it's hilarious i liked it.
that scientist totally convinced me - there must be aliens on mercury, facts talk for themselves! Those who say there arent are lying to themselves because they fear for changes. yes!!
Mercury you dont fool me!!

Hold that thought, not all other planets have the same recources as Earth's as you remeber as that robot on Mars is traveling, we discovered that it has various types of rocks, some similar to ours, and some not. And remember, that we have not yet ventured and succesfully landed on every planet in our system. So we have yet to know what resources, or what's out there.

Also, don't ya'll think that the idea and construction of the B2 Stealth Bomber is probably from the construction of a UFO? Look, here's evidence.

http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/10182006/s8_5c0a34d2b48d9e0.jpg (http://www.imgdump.net/)

This a photo of a UFO sighting in Santa Monica, California. Was takon on Oct 18, 1999

Now here, is the photo of the B2 Stealth Bomber.

http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/10182006/s8_92e875c17894905.jpg (http://www.imgdump.net/)

Now, I know this isn't that accurate, but I had seen something about somone earlier around the 1970-80s sighted a similar boomerang UFO sighting, but looks more similar to the B2 bomber. I forgot where although. As so, maybe we also recieved the same ideas for the F-117 stealth bomber. And MAYBE, even the F-35 Joint strike jet fighter, coming out soon in the air force.
This prototype photo is of the F-35 JSF which, the thruster is jointed, and is similar to the harrier, but the thruster alone moves in all directions.

http://ser8.imgdump.net/images/10182006/s8_c5ca0e790f54647.jpg (http://www.imgdump.net/)

So, you see, there might have been space travel for some advanced species out there that we don't know about. For it is highly predictable that that is where we get out recent fighter jets, as so in Area-51 which, is NOT an alien experimentation facility, but of future aeronautical vehicles are produced, and tested. Also, if any of you remember the Roswell incident. And the massive cover-up for it. So, there is something out there... We just don't know it.

About the F-35, it's called the Joint Strike Fighter because a lot of countries are helping the US developing it. A lot of its parts come from Europe. I sincerely doubt there's any alien technology in it, since it'll be sold to the countries helping developing it.

The B2 bomber has that funny boomerang shape because it's an early invisible-for-radar aeroplane. Since technology and all wasn't that advanced back then compared to now, they had to make it a weird shape. Nothing alien about it.

That picture of a UFO you're showing might actually be the exhaust of any random single engine jet fighter. People see a funny light in the sky and instantly scream OMG ALIENZ~!!! Especially in America they seem to have UFO's a lot. I wonder why. I doubt the aliens are only interested in the US, but of course, Americans like to think different on that matter cos they think themselves the most technologically advanced etc.

signed... I watched a documentation about how they developed and built the B2 stealth bomber last week. Aliens? ^^' Yeah if I remember correctly I saw some little green men working on it. (sorry I tend to be somewhat sarcastic at times.)
Some pretty good scientist were though.

About the mercury page thingy ^^' I watched only one of those videos, it was funny... ._. but it's very unlikely that there are aliens on mercury, at least I wouldn't like to bask in the sun there.. 467 °C (day) and –183 °C at night *shivers*. If those aliens really were so intelligent they'd use mars or something.

noone ever said there are aliens on mercure for god sake, that site is all based on joke. there is completely obvious no life forms can be in mercury. this whole thread is umm a big misunderstanding.

The website is like an advertisement for some company. haha. Of course there are no aliens in Mercury! If you say they are from another solar system maybe it might be more convincing. Americans seem exceptionally curious about sky objects.

People see a funny light in the sky and instantly scream OMG ALIENZ~!!! Especially in America they seem to have UFO's a lot. I wonder why. I doubt the aliens are only interested in the US, but of course, Americans like to think different on that matter cos they think themselves the most technologically advanced etc.

Well, that is where S4 is, and you know all the crazy stuff that goes on there...

About the F-35, it's called the Joint Strike Fighter because a lot of countries are helping the US developing it. A lot of its parts come from Europe. I sincerely doubt there's any alien technology in it, since it'll be sold to the countries helping developing it.

The B2 bomber has that funny boomerang shape because it's an early invisible-for-radar aeroplane. Since technology and all wasn't that advanced back then compared to now, they had to make it a weird shape. Nothing alien about it.

That picture of a UFO you're showing might actually be the exhaust of any random single engine jet fighter. People see a funny light in the sky and instantly scream OMG ALIENZ~!!! Especially in America they seem to have UFO's a lot. I wonder why. I doubt the aliens are only interested in the US, but of course, Americans like to think different on that matter cos they think themselves the most technologically advanced etc.


IDK why you friggin hate americans so much..

Again I dont think its americans, right now im living in spain theres a show on national television about this crap..Im just saying stop pointing a finger at america... theres idiots everywhere.

(and besides to aliens american might be "important" to aliens due to its lager extension weapon dumps and large open spaces where their presence could theoreticaly be ignored....again theoreticaly the aliens could be anywhere, it would be logical to think that a race that advanced would have camouflage systems so advanced that they would be invisible to us.

Wasnt the B2 supposed to look similar to a pidgeon on radar? (not purposely just a comparison to as what it would show up as)

well personally i dont hate americans. i have american relatives, i love em a lot, and i think your all great people, with exeptions of course, but EVERY COUNTRY HAS ITS EXEPTIONS. its the american government i disagree with. bush should not have been elected. ever. i dislike also that people plaster american population with the mistakes of their government. i cringe a bit at the reelection of bush, and the political views of the american population, but thats no reason to arbitrarily hate their guts.

thats my opinion. damnit. OFF TOPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!

back on topic.

we cant deny the possibility of alien life anywhere. even on earth. now im not the ZOMG ALEIN SAUCERS IN TEH SKYES!!!, but let me explain a little story that might convey my "theory" -

when columbus and his ships first came to the west, before they found america, the landed on small islands. now those big ships couldnt be anchored too close to the shore because of the reefs, so it took time to row tot he sore on smaller boats. now the cheif of the native tribe noticed some ripples far away in the water. the thing was, he could not see the ships. he couldnt. no one could. they were well within visual range, but his mind could imagine something remotely like that, he couldnt fathom it at all. the rest of the tribe just ignored it, thinking it was just an effect by the sun or something. but the cheif kept staring and staring until the ships appeared to him, seemingly meterialising in thin air.

now what im trying to say is there might be things that are there but are so inimagiable, so completely unthinkable that we just arnt aware of them. mabe if there are those things and they are "alive", they cant see us either, because they cant imagine us.

If there are aliens, then they are way more technological than us, for we have set ourselves back in time with all of the wars we've had.

If there are aliens, then they are way more technological than us, for we have set ourselves back in time with all of the wars we've had.Or they might have had a few billions years' headstart at achieving sentience.

Well, I strongly beleive in them; I might add that it's somewhat related to me religious beleifs, but I'm in the wrong thread for that and I won't start with this.

Scientology?

Ph34r_Ph1r3, have you never seen star trek? Aliens range from super smart alien races to dumb as rocks organisms, (or at least theoretically) in fact WE could be the most advanced race in existence...

Scientology?

Ph34r_Ph1r3, have you never seen star trek? Aliens range from super smart alien races to dumb as rocks organisms, (or at least theoretically) in fact WE could be the most advanced race in existence...

Nope, I think scientology is somewhat a bit too farfetched, it did start from the ideas of a book. I beleive in my own beleifs lol.

I don't know... sometimes I don't think aliens really exist :/. Like, the government is behind it all and y'know like on National Geographic's how people say they've been abducted... the government could be doing it, like how their already cloning animals they could be cloning humans too.

Ah, being here just after visiting the Religion thread gives me so much ammunition against both beliefs. :shifty:

Just a pass-by question for true believers of God: Do you think God made Aliens too? in "his" form as well? if not, doesn't that make us "superior" as we were made in God's form? Don't think too much about it, Not like I care too much about it either.

Those who believe aliens definitely exist: Ever thought that "Alien" lifeforms could be carbon based and, voila, just like Homo Sapiens? (or at least very similar in DNA formation - either a little more or less evolved)
There could be Neanderthals living in some other Terra-like planet for all we know :mellow:

Aliens and their damn technology...

Once upon a time the greeks invented Mathematics. Mostly geometry and pretty much most of trigonometry.
So did the Arabians (Algebra!!)
Chinese invented gunpowder, The Europeans went on to make firearms out of it.

The tech level of the planet was pretty much level, albeit a little arbitarily sorted. Someone had the wheel, someone else had fire, someone a few thousand years later came up with the combustion engine, another came up with motor vehicles.

Why would "they" be always more advanced than us? Sure we'd like to see friendly aliens willing to trade us the secrets of deflector shields and photon laser rifles but they could be marvelled by the simple science of calender(concept of timekeeping) and sailing.

Conquerors or not, 'interplanetary contact' is vital for advancement of technology (.. evolution is all about contact with elements foreign to those of your own - and making something completely new out of it)

The very fact that we had nothing bothering us for a good few million years is a proof that "life" is either waaaaaaaaay behind us or don't have the technology either to cover the distance between "them" and "us"

The very fact that we had nothing bothering us for a good few million years is a proof that "life" is either waaaaaaaaay behind us or don't have the technology either to cover the distance between "them" and "us"

The universe is infinitely large. If aliens *did* have the technology to reach our planet from light years away, they wouldn't have any reason to come visit a species as backwater as our own.

I think there are aliens. The universe is too big for there not to be imo.

If the universe is indeed infinite, then logically, there would be an infinite number of alien race as any given moment. Since we're all grown-ups here, I think we can agree that infinity is impossible. The best methods we could use to guess the number of civilizations then is the use of interpolation and extrapolation.

Firstly, we would need to know what percentage of stars have planets, which percentage of those are in the star's "green zone" where the temperature of a planet in that zone is between 0-100 degrees centigrade. Next, we would need to know what percentage of those planets can support life, even in it's simplest forms. Next we would need to know how likely it is that that life would be able to evolve into an intelligent race. After you do the math of multiplying the percentages(in this case 100% would equal 1 and 1% would equal 0.01, and 0.01% being 0.0001) you would get a number that is very, very small. To get a rough number of alien civilivations out there, extrapolate that number to the number of stars out there. How you would get either of those numbers though is beyond me.

As to why aliens would visit us is simple: if you could travel the universe, wouldn't you want to see how many different ways life evolved out there?

Why is infinity *impossible?* isn't the universe just *being* here kind of impossible? I mean, where the heck did it come from? If universes can just pop up out of nothing, then I think they should also be able to be infinite if they so please. XD

Also, ripple, I've heard that some scientists think that there may be many universes? Do you know anything regarding that? You're a lot more knowledgeable about this sort of thing than I am, so I figured I'd ask, since I've been wondering about that for awhile now... X3