Did anyone get their hands on it? I'm one of the lucky few who got one. Did anyone else?

If so, then what do you think about the system?

I was going to get one last night, but my mom and dad were all "no".

I think my brothers going to get one while hes out right now.

My friend's mother was talking about one, apparently she's interested. :mellow:;

I wanted to order one form play asia but nah.

Why order it from Playasia if you can get it at your local gameshop?

i have one =D i got legend of zelda twilight princess for it and wii sports. Its awsome but since its new its kinda unupdated yet. It plays wonderfully and wii sports its awssome cept golf. i duno how anyone can like golf sheesh. I love the light that shines when you put a disk in. everyone should get one. =D

Yea it's one of the first things I'm getting as soon as I find a job and save up for like 3 weeks.

Why order it from Playasia if you can get it at your local gameshop?

__________________________________________________ _________________ It's sold out

Haha, I got my hands on one. My whole family loves it - that's including my grandparents and such; my grandma may be buying my grandfather one for christmas, and he's never played games before he picked up the Wii. I think nintendo may be onto something here.

Why order it from Playasia if you can get it at your local gameshop?

Ummm, yea. Even in the tiny town of Newport, 11,000 pop., once the shipments get in you cant even stop by the local store to get one after school because its all gone. Been over a week and I'm really fed up.

Mwahahaha. My local game shop has about 11 copies left!

I thought the European release wasn't before 6 December.

Some people import the machine from the US.

Nice, then you'll get a nice NTSC system and then you can start hoping your TV can handle that.

http://www.mod-chip.com/en/pal_booster.php

I used one (different model/brand) when I brought my US Xbox to Spain, worked great......until i fried the Xbox with 240v

Lol, such a simple problem fixed with a simple tool.

I know im going to get one for Christmas. The PS3 is so overrated, and overpriced. The Wii is very cheap you guys. Its just $250. And please no one argue with me this time, because I really don't want to mess up this thread as well. In my area its $250. I don't care about some other areas price for it, just my own. Oh, I can't wait to play that Zelda game with it. I wonder when Super Smash Brothers is going to come out, I can't wait for that game either.

The Wii has some pretty bad graffics though...Especially those sports games that come with it, it looks like Rayman...no neck, no arms, no legs, it's kind of dumb. I kinda agree on the PS3 being overpriced, not to mention it weighs a ton because of all the hardware. I'd rather have the PS3 though than the Wii, but I've already got a 360 and a PS2, so I really don't want any of them right now.

Umm, yeah. Rayman has none of those because it lends itself to the story and game play [his body parts basically float, letting the wiimote control them].

Before it was cool to not like Nintendo, and now its cool not to like Sony. Its getting a bit old. I've seen all three systems in action with my own touch. The wii is nice, but needs great improvement on its sensitivity [ie. the car turns when you turn, but doesn't take in account of how much you want it to turn].

PS3 is expensive because its the most expensive to make out of the three. Greatness comes with a price. Its also the most powerful. Great exclusives, not so great non-exclusives and crappy downloads.

360 is the meh of the three. Super graphics, good line up as of now, but it may just pull a Xbox and dominate at the last few years.

My friend got a Wii (Lucky *******) and he has Twilight Princess. I was over at his house yesterday for 3 hours taking turns playing it.

I dont care if the graphics are not as "next-gen" as they could be, it was one of the best games I've played in my life. I was a bit skeptical about the new controller because I thought that the novelty value would wear off after a while, but after using it I was very impressed. Actually throwing the boomerang or flicking the magic wand (there's a new one ^^) makes it a lot more fun and less frustrating.

Graphics aren't that important anyways. Whenever my friends and I get together, we always play smash on the gamecube, and we rarely ever play any games on the ps2. Its all about the gameplay imo.

I'm gonna try to get one in the next couple of weeks. *crosses fingers*

The Wii has some pretty bad graffics though...Especially those sports games that come with it, it looks like Rayman...no neck, no arms, no legs, it's kind of dumb. I kinda agree on the PS3 being overpriced, not to mention it weighs a ton because of all the hardware. I'd rather have the PS3 though than the Wii, but I've already got a 360 and a PS2, so I really don't want any of them right now.

Since when were free bundled games typical of the system's graphics capabilities? Take a peek over at Twilight Princess and you'll see a better measure of the Wii's power. Yes, Wii doesn't look quite as pretty as the other two systems, but its graphics are by no means bad.

Oh, and FYI pianocrazy, you were right about the PS2 price. The US $550 was the Saudi Arabia launch price, mangled by an overeager Wikipedia editor :P

People like Lightningsage are a bit shallow and only care about pretty pictures and not about originality or gameplay.

Thats why no one nowadays would play FF7 if it came out now... even if it one of the best games of all time...

Sad really...

People like Lightningsage are a bit shallow and only care about pretty pictures and not about originality or gameplay.

That's true. I'll rather play a game that's orignal and fun to play, even if it doesn't have the greatest graphics like God Hand. It has great humor in storyline and gameplay, even though it's not the best in graphics and the levels and other things seem last minute but I still have fun w/ it.


Thats why no one nowadays would play FF7 if it came out now... even if it one of the best games of all time...

Sad really...

True, but what do you expect. More people are interested in a game's looks today than gameplay. I mean, would you pick a game that looks good that you never played before or a game that you heard was great but the graphics aren't to your liking? That's why we have so many crappy games that looks good but plays so terribly bad because people will blindly buy something for their eyes and not for their enjoyment. Of course, w/ the programs we have today, we have to have some sort of standards. I liked FF7 by the way. It is like one of the best games out there in the looks bad but plays good department (just outdated to be more accurate).

Thats why no one nowadays would play FF7 if it came out now... even if it one of the best games of all time...

Sad really...

Uh, thats a negative captain. FF7 already has a huge fan base. :mellow:

He meant like if the game came out now instead of when it did I think or maybe a re-released updated version of it. Not sure actually what he meant by that. Just took a guess.

Graphics may not play as big of a role for the fun factor as gameplay does, but if people keep saying that same thing over and over, one will only assume you care not about graphics. Take your damn wiimote and shove it when developers are puking out N64 craptastic graphics, and then they feed you a bowl of "gameplay is what matters more".

Come on people, in the REAL world, children and many many others love flashy graphics, big processors and fast chips. Shallow, yes, but the real world is out to make money and spoon feed everyone more games that they tell us we will like. If you just can't stand those who like graphics, don't get all pissy when people say they can't stand you and your gameplay yad-di-da ways.

http://media.ign64.ign.com/media/000/000437/img_1501535.html

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748589/img_4061146.html

http://media.ign64.ign.com/media/001/001991/img_1419652.html

http://media.wii.ign.com/media/815/815492/img_4068773.html

By the way, have you ever noticed that graphics quality in most games has NOT progressed as fast as Moore's law allows? The Wii has fast enough hardware to support mind-blowing graphics. It's just that software engineers are now being given much shorter deadlines, and as a result, they skimp on code efficiency in order to meet the deadline.

Even so, the wii's graphic output is below par compared to its competitors; and when something is lacking that bad in something as simple as graphics, its just a bit sad.

The wii will probably never do better then the last gens best looking.

Since when were graphics simple? You can get an emphasis in graphics to go with your CS degree. You could probably get a PhD in computer graphics.

Anyhow, the Wii looks a little bit lacking in screenshots/videos, but that's because you're seeing them on a computer screen (1024x768 at least). When you go to look at it on a regular TV screen (400x300ish), Wii looks just as good as the other two systems. Yes, Wii loses on HD, but I don't have HD xD

And again, at this point graphics quality has more to do with software than with hardware. Take Crytek's polybump technology for example. They actually use a reduced number of polygons, but they use more sophisticated algorithms to create more realistic effects for a fraction of the normal processor cost. Sure, this was several years ago, but the point was that a company got a huge graphics boost on a platform that didn't change one bit.

I'm not saying that Wii doesn't lag behind PS3 and 360 in graphics. I'm saying that its graphical performance will indeed beat PS2/XBox/Gamecube and that its lag will become less and less perceptible.

Well, the wii was sold out in Japan on the first day with huge queues in front of the stores, so I don't think it lacks popularity.

Seriously, these things are selling like hotcakes. People are for once thinking of the innovative factor.

The graphics may not be on par like the others systems but the designs and gameplay for these games are original and more interactive. Also, graphics aren't everything. Sure, they're important and we have to have some sort of standard but gameplay is what really matters. I agree w/ Radical Dreamer that graphics are a major thing now, espically w/ all the new systems out there but still, a game shouldn't be desired based only on its' graphics alone. If that was true, I would have never brought God Hand.

I think it's great that most people are going after those flashy titles with ZOMG AWESOME REAL graphics, because it'll be easier for me to get quality games for lower prices!

Mwahahaha. My local game shop has about 11 copies left!

It's not even out in England yet so I dunno what you're on about (unless you're talking about pre-orders).

My housemate is going to get one. I don't really have to time to play it although I want to.

Take your damn wiimote and shove it when developers are puking out N64 craptastic graphics, and then they feed you a bowl of "gameplay is what matters more".

I'd play Ocarina of Time over the guilded *crap* that's coming out for the 360 right now any day, but whatever, I guess I'm crazy. <_< ::shoves Wiimote up some unsuspecting noobs ass::

Also, both the Wii -and- the Ps3 are going to have game lineups that eclipse the 360, I'm calling that now. XD

I've got an nes, an snes, an n64, a playstation, a ps2, a wii, a gamecube an xbox, a DS and a 360.

My Wii, snes, playstation, and n64 get the most play time, in that order. My 360 comes dead last, collecting dust. So yes, game play is exponentially more important than graphics.

I'd play Ocarina of Time over the gilded *crap* that's coming out for the 360 right now any day, but whatever, I guess I'm crazy. <_< ::shoves Wiimote up some unsuspecting noobs ass::C'mon, if you're as addicted to the Dead Or Alive series as said noob most probably is, you'd choose the gilded crap over solid gameplay too! (and would get a Wii to shove the Wiimote up "somewhere stimulating")

Since when were graphics simple? You can get an emphasis in graphics to go with your CS degree. You could probably get a PhD in computer graphics.

Anyhow, the Wii looks a little bit lacking in screenshots/videos, but that's because you're seeing them on a computer screen (1024x768 at least). When you go to look at it on a regular TV screen (400x300ish), Wii looks just as good as the other two systems. Yes, Wii loses on HD, but I don't have HD xD

And again, at this point graphics quality has more to do with software than with hardware. Take Crytek's polybump technology for example. They actually use a reduced number of polygons, but they use more sophisticated algorithms to create more realistic effects for a fraction of the normal processor cost. Sure, this was several years ago, but the point was that a company got a huge graphics boost on a platform that didn't change one bit.

I'm not saying that Wii doesn't lag behind PS3 and 360 in graphics. I'm saying that its graphical performance will indeed beat PS2/XBox/Gamecube and that its lag will become less and less perceptible.

I beg to differ; I've seen launch games from both the Wii and PS3 first hand, both were of those standard launch racing games [the PS3 one I know not the title, the other was Excite Truck]. Anyways, the PS3 graphics, even for a racing game, was spectacular, so good I will rate it with Gears of Wars for best graphics I've seen of games in action in real life. Excite Truck was, lets say, worse then launch games from the Xbox, which says a lot.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo is making craptastic graphics on purpose, because they could put a bit more effort into it x_x

And I would take Ocarina of Time over many current games out now too, but were comparing graphics as of now, or we were as of then. Many people who play games for gameplay do forget that gameplay isn't everything, its the whole box factor, gameplay, originality and more and more factors that make a game a good game. For me, bad box art can break me away from liking a game as a complete whole.

I'll take a wild guess and say it was Gran Turismo HD that you saw for the PS3.

1. Did you do a comparison on an HD TV? The Wii doesn't support HD.
2. Gran Turismo HD is made by a subsidiary of Sony itself. Excite Truck is made by an independent company that only has a handful of games under its belt.

If you want to make a fair comparison, look at, say, Call of Duty 3. Same company, same game, 3 platforms. Obviously, the Wii lags behind in HD. The Wii also lags somewhat on standard TV. However, the graphics quality is almost certainly better than that of the last generation of games.


I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo is making craptastic graphics on purpose, because they could put a bit more effort into it

I'm not sure whether this amuses or depresses me. I remember one time reading some person (on Neopets) posting, "This quest took me half an hour to complete, so it couldn't have taken more than half an hour to program. Why did we have to wait two days for it?"
I think anyone who makes such provocative remarks obligates himself to go take a graphics course and attempt to make something worthwhile.


For me, bad box art can break me away from liking a game as a complete whole.
You'd rather look at the box than play the game? How about I sell you my game boxes for half what the game costs in the store? :P

so good I will rate it with Gears of Wars for best graphics I've seen of games in action in real life.

You're funny.

For me, bad box art can break me away from liking a game as a complete whole.

If it was something like this I would too :lol:

http://justice.cs.loyola.edu/~cmwolfe/images/megaman1boxart.jpg

And that while the Megaman games are among the best platformers out there. Box art isn't everything, graphics aren't everything. FF looks nice but there's hardly any innovation left in there.

I know that but I was just showing how terrible the boxart for the first game was. The first one was pretty fun and I was just showing you can't judge a game by its' boxart. The Megaman series is like one of my all time favorite videogames ever. I just love that series and currently trying to make a collection. Oh and I agree w/ you on the FF series. I got FF12 sometime ago and was playing it but I left they wasn't really trying to engage us in the story but more on the combat itself. It's fun but I felt they weren't even trying to get me involved in this game. I felt more engage in FF7 but that is such an old game compared to this and the plot was so linear after a point. I actually somehow stopped playing and is currently on other games like God Hand and some old sonic and zelda games. I wonder if FF has lost its' magic......

Could very well have, why would Square even try if people will buy it anyway?

Other with the Wii, nintendo had to come with something special to get people to buy their consoles again and they did \o/

FF looks nice but there's hardly any innovation left in there.

True, for now. But have you seen the trailer for FFXIII (ps3) yet? The battle system is totally new, and looks like it might be amazing. (Which is great, because FF really *has* begun to stagnate.) http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?fs=1&id=2649 - check it out! ^ -^


Other with the Wii, nintendo had to come with something special to get people to buy their consoles again and they did \o/

Yup! And I'm happy it seems to be working. If the innovation over graphical power trend continues as it has been with the DS vs. the PSP (The DS is humiliating the PSP in sales) then the Wii should kick total ass this time around. (saleswise I mean - it's already kicking gameplay ass, as anyone who owns one will happily attest.) ^_^

also:

C'mon, if you're as addicted to the Dead Or Alive series as said noob most probably is, you'd choose the gilded crap over solid gameplay too! (and would get a Wii to shove the Wiimote up "somewhere stimulating")

lmao, indeed. Poor noobs. ;__;

And that while the Megaman games are among the best platformers out there. Box art isn't everything, graphics aren't everything. FF looks nice but there's hardly any innovation left in there.

I guess if Secret of Mana had Final Fantasy slapped on it, it would be crap, hmm? A games title is more frivolous then box art, which you already said is meaningless.

I really don't know who will dominate the sales chart, but I'm leaning to PS3 and Wii. Can't tell from the two though.

Secret of Mana had a seriously flawed magic system that made boss battles way too easy. (Not as bad as Secret of Evermore's "God Mode" spell, but still...)

(Disclaimer: The following statements are made from watching trailers and reviews, not actually playing the game.) FFXII gameplay looks like FFXI. Normally that isn't a problem, but MMORPGs have less detailed gameplay because they have to deal with networking/multithreading/server load issues. There is no reason for a non-networked game to have point-click-wait gameplay.

But back on topic...I want a Wii for Christmas :D I'm definitely going to fail winter quarter...

Wii launches here tomorrow, but I got a phonecall from HMV saying that I am not recieving it tomorrow :(
They said i'll be getting mine next week, better than nothing I suppose ^^

I guess if Secret of Mana had Final Fantasy slapped on it, it would be crap, hmm? A games title is more frivolous then box art, which you already said is meaningless. True, and if Final Fantasy has Secret of Mana slapped on it, it will still be crap.

Hmm, no point in arguing anymore. But I do have a question: why is Final Fantasy crap?

The last one that came out actually got very positive reviews.

And as it is now, the Wii's dominating the PS3 in terms of sales.

I want Wii :( I'll be getting it in early January cos I didn't preorder in time. Stupid Japan for giving Europe such limited supply.

Wii Love It! (http://www.stuffmagazine.com/articles/index.aspx?id=1552&src=gtf136)
Here's a simple, to the point review of the new Wii, for those on the fence still!
http://www.stuffmagazine.com/articles/images/Original/wii/wii_article1.jpg

I felt like a retard when I played the wii over my friend's house.


..seriously :mellow:

Have you ever considered that it might not be the Wii which is at fault for that?

all the time.

I have a few Dutch friends who are constantly teasing me cos I didn't get the Wii on launch day :( I'm so going on a Wii Hunt tomorrow when the next shipment (although not a big one) hits the shelves!

Wish me luck!

I felt like a retard when I played the wii over my friend's house.
Have you ever considered that it might not be the Wii which is at fault for that?

That made me laugh. XD
And Noir's right; if they're your friends, you shouldn't feel retarded doing *anything* around them, let alone playing videogames.

And also: I feel bad for all you European and Australian gamers. You guys always get shafted. ;__;

Edit: Oh, and good luck getting a Wii, Noir. Haha. X3

I have a few Dutch friends who are constantly teasing me cos I didn't get the Wii on launch day :( I'm so going on a Wii Hunt tomorrow when the next shipment (although not a big one) hits the shelves!

Wish me luck!

Luck has been wished, but in all reality, its going to be hard. Either 1) go to an obscure place that you think no one will go to but you know they have Wii's or 2) wait for the opening.

Yeah, we're going to raid every single toy store we can see. That's for sure. Anyway, a few hours left for the Wii hunt! *prepares knuckles*

Luck has been wished, but in all reality, its going to be hard. Either 1) go to an obscure place that you think no one will go to but you know they have Wii's or 2) wait for the opening.

What opening?

I went to like 11 stores around town today =( I left Wii-less.


I was ready to KILL those fucking zit-faced über dorks standing in the line in front of me. DEATH TO THEM ALL

DAMN CRAPFUCK


A big chain-company worker said that they probably would get a smaller shipment tomorrow, but he didn't know which time and how many. I guess I'll make a few phone calls tomorrow before I go to work. Wish me luck, once more :)

Good luck Noir7 :D

It's a good think we live in different places because I'm also Wii hunting. Man it's hard to find now. I forgot to pre-order it and now I'm searching high and low for it. I wanna play that new Zelda game too! I would be so mad if I have to wait months if they completely run out now.

What opening?

opsies, I forgot to say "for the store to open".

Game buying is some competitive shit mann.

Yes, it is. (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=217) :mellow:

What will nintendo think of next? Hand Held Gamecube? Holographic technology? i think the wii is a new generation, not the next generation.

And I'm sure a PS1 with spiffed up graphics and an XBOX that over heats is, hmm?

I think he means to say that unlike a spiffed up Playstation and Xbox the Wii is something new. Like the DS was something new in the handheld department.

So while DS and now Wii are a New generation of console/handheld gaming, the PS3 and 360 are just next generation versions of old systems. As cool as gear of wars was, it didn't feel like anything I couldn't play on my old Xbox.

flat mates completed gears of war in two days even with lectures. While it was fun they havent played it since.

I will be getting a wii around january for my birthday hopefully. being a student price plays a big part in what i will get, so a wii wins in that department. Also a big zelda fan. if i had to pick another consol id go for the 360. Looking at the industry and the way things are playing out blue ray technology will be the one that will dissapear.

I think he means to say that unlike a spiffed up Playstation and Xbox the Wii is something new. Like the DS was something new in the handheld department.

So while DS and now Wii are a New generation of console/handheld gaming, the PS3 and 360 are just next generation versions of old systems. As cool as gear of wars was, it didn't feel like anything I couldn't play on my old Xbox.

True, but like you always say, its the game play that matters. If it was on the original xbox or the 360, its still a good game.

Yeah, but I don't see why they needed a new console for that =p The new console with all its power doesn't really add anything, Wii adds something new to gaming.

Well, you could think of it like that, but its like upgrading your computer. We could have stuck with the oldies that have black and white monitors and 16 bit processors, or if your really hard core we could have tried to run photoshop on the vacuumed tube computers.

But when you have more power, you have a bit more to work with because the newer, more updated things are more capable of running bigger, better and I guess more flashier programs. Its like trying to play DoomIII on the NES or Atari. You, for one, can't, and two, if you down grade it so much that you could, it just isn't DoomIII anymore.

Angelic is mainly talking about significant innovation, something that doesn't come by often enough.

You are mainly talking about upgrading graphics, something that happens far more regularly.

That's true. The PS3 and the Xbox360 are basically the same as they were before except this time they can generate better graphics but it's still basically the same old systems, just upgraded. The Wii on the other hand went outside the box and took a risk by changing the way one would play the system w/ surprising success. It adds a new take on how one would play video games which like Dark Bring said, doesn't happen very often. Like for instance the evolvtion of the game boy. From the game boy, game boy color to the game boy advance, while the graphics of the games increased, the gameplay was always the same. That was until they unleased the Nintendo DS w/ it's dual screens and new touch screen function. This added a new element on an old series that was unleashing new systems but w/ the same old control scheme. Basically, like the DS, the Wii took a chance and tried to give us gamers something different, something original, something that hasn't been happening as often as it should it be.

Yup and that is why I love Nintendo

People seem to be looking over that PS3 has the motion sensor and PS2 had the eyetoy, regardless of how well they work/ed. :mellow:

PS3 motion sensor idea is stolen from the Wii, and the Eyetoy never got any serious game released for it.

So, we're talking about innovation etc correct? Even if few (serious) games were released for eyetoy was it not a more out there idea like Wii? :mellow:

Meer is right, innovation is innovation, though it never cought on [in the west? I remember some imported games I saw older friends playing that were less gimmicky and more on the fps side...]

And im sure there were other things before the wii that had motion sensory, but no one was pointing the finger of non-originality at nintendo..

People seem to be looking over that PS3 has the motion sensor and PS2 had the eyetoy, regardless of how well they work/ed. :mellow:


Meer is right, innovation is innovation, though it never caught on [in the west? I remember some imported games I saw older friends playing that were less gimmicky and more on the fps side...]

And I'm sure there were other things before the Wii that had motion sensory, but no one was pointing the finger of non-originality at Nintendo..

Yes, innovation is innovation, and there is a different between the innovation of a new device and the innovation of behaviour.

The Eyetoy is an innovation, but did Sony innovate its behaviour? Did it decide to implement the Eyetoy as a major component of its product, or was it merely an add-on, a fancy gadget to accompany the PS2?

It is definite that Nintendo cannot claim to have discovered the innovation of motion sensory, but it has innovated itself by making motion sensory a critical part of its product. The motion sensory is not just there to accompany the Wii, it is the Wii itself, and this is thoroughly reflected by the games that have came out and will come out in the future.

That said, I can proudly point the finger of originality at Nintendo, because this, the innovation of a company itself, not the innovation of a side-product, is the greatest innovation I have witnessed in the console gaming industry.

But what may work for nintendo may kill is. Many see the wiimote as a gimmic that was be cool, fun and fantastic for a while, but then what? If it doesn't last, then your left with, by todays standard, a crappy controller along with a crappy console.

But what may work for Nintendo may kill is. Many see the wiimote as a gimmick that was cool, fun and fantastic for a while, but then what? If it doesn't last, then your left with, by today's standard, a crappy controller along with a crappy console.This is precisely the very fear that is preventing Sony and Microsoft from innovating themselves. Sony's Eyetoy was a gimmick that was cool, fun and fantastic for awhile, but eventually didn't made much of an impact, because Sony didn't innovate its own behaviour. It may be too early to speak of Nintendo's Wii, but what we are seeing right not is definitely not the same as what has happened to Sony's half-hearted Eyetoy implementation. There already are more games that features Nintendo's Wiimote than Sony's Eyetoy. What does that tell you? If you don't dare to innovate yourself, how will you distinguish yourself from your competitors?

But what may work for nintendo may kill is. Many see the wiimote as a gimmic that was be cool, fun and fantastic for a while, but then what? If it doesn't last, then your left with, by todays standard, a crappy controller along with a crappy console.

If SSBB lives up to half of its hype, Nintendo has nothing to worry about ;)

Let's not forget the game download feature that the Wii has. I guess it could be argued that they're trying to charge money for what people can get for free (albeit illegally); then again, eBay sales would suggest that people are still willing to pay for classic games...

If the wiimote actually works and is a hit, then Nintendo has nothing to worry about. All of the big three distinguish their consoles by exclusives really, DB, and on top of that innovation.

Another big problem people see in the Wii is its line up; its a lot like the GCN, great first party and crappy third.

If the wiimote actually works and is a hit, then Nintendo has nothing to worry about.Of course.


All of the big three distinguish their consoles by exclusives really, DB, and on top of that innovation.Unless you would like to claim that exclusive titles are innovation, here is what I'd like to say: Exclusive titles distinguish through scarcity, not innovation. Taking a radically different approach to the market is innovation, and that is what Nintendo has done. Nintendo innovates. Not Sony, Not Microsoft. Nintendo.


Another big problem people see in the Wii is its line up; its a lot like the GCN, great first party and crappy third.So now the "big problem" moves from the Wiimote to the lineup, eh? Listen, here's what I'll tell you. Why don't you stop trying to predict the market and let it decide whether Nintendo should be rewarded or punished for stepping out of line? Also, the same thing was said of both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 - or maybe you were too busy cheering for your own camp to listen to the booing.

Nintendo doesn't own Square soft so no wonder RD doesn't see much in it, no matter how innovative it is.

RD likes Final Fantasy. Final Fantasy is 100% non-innovation. RD likes to play more of the same, in the same way as before, with the same controller.

Well I can see that RD doesn't like change. The Wii gives us something new to do which I thought all the next gen consoles would do but I guess only the Wii lived up to that idea. I like change. Sure it's scary to see a system change from their old style and question its' success for doing so but if that's the case then games will never evolve and we'll end up playing the same crap since we were little kids to the day we're all old and gray (plus there would be no DS or Wii). I'm not dissing on the PS3 and Xbox360 for not changing but it can get real boring when the gameplay doesn't change everynow and then. It's like having the same WW2 game shipped out every year. Sure it's something we all expect and there's a chance it's better than the last but it's all the same thing, just a little better or worst each time. Oh and I agree again w/ you on the Final Fantasy series Angelic. It's like they're not trying anymore since they their fans will still buy it anyway. Before I was a fan but this is getting crazy. I'll be real disappointed in the series if FF13 doesn't goes well.

I like how RD is bringing the Wii's lineup into question, when the media almost unanimously agrees that the Wii has had the greatest console launch of all time.
Just thought I'd, you know...throw that out there.

Also, third party support comes with console sales. If we keeps on going half as strongly as it has, it'll have more third party support than it'll ever need.

Sheeze people. I hate innovation a lot, thats why I am looking everywhere for a Wii. Don't shove words into my mouth. If you take any notice, I like many non-traditional games: Katamari Demaci, Shadow of the Colossus, Legend of Zelda TP

Angelic, you need to learn that Final Fantasy is not all fun. I have said so many times I do not like the whole series, but that there are a few that I like. Almost every FF game has NOTHING to do with each other, so they could have easily slapped a different name, like Secret of Mana, on it. But they didn't because when you hear FF you assume is the best of Square work. Mana is a great series, but it doesn't get as much praise as FF for a reason.

The Wii's line up is good, but not the best of all time. Its great actually, but its only great because of one game, LoZ. One good game out of all of them [truly, I've played all the release games at a friends. Not that good.]

Finaly, I am not predicting. I am just pointing out what I see and what I read at places.

honestly, i don't have one and I really don't wish to have one at the moment. it's such a distraction!! =)

Mine finally arrived today. I bought mine with a memory card and Twilight Princess. I've only played Wii Sports at the moment, that game is pure FUN!
The controller feels real comfy too =)

Then for the sake of everything that is good and pure get your arse off this forum now and play your Zelda TP already.

*sniffle sniffly*

give Ichigos a first hand writting up about owning a wii : D

haven't got my hands on one YET!! but even my mum wants one!!! she's even more excited than us.......XD
definitely want to try out the Zelda!!

Oh.....I want that new Zelda game more than ever now! I can't take it! I love Zelda! Damn my slow ass for not preordering one......(goes to play LOZOOT for the gamecube)

OMG~! I went to town today! They received 3 Wiis shipped in *exactly* as I passed by! I told them to hold one for me! So now I'm guaranteed a Wii! BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY!

I'm kinda in a dead spot right now!

:ph34r:!!

I hope its the kind of store that will hold something for someone.

BRIBE THE STORE PEOPLE!

Haha, it's so weird hearing people talk like this. I got mine like a month ago...
>_>

*gloat gloat!*
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Answer to the above headings question... ME!

I will post some images very soon.

Yup. Currently playing Zelda: Twilight Princess, too. :lol:

lol, im posting with my wii! Just thought id throw that out there...opera web browser ftw! ;3 (my computer is broken right now...) :(

I could post using my Wii too but I am on the computer so whats the point?

Didn't set up the internet connection, and don't plan to, so I can't post with my Wii... And besides, it's faster to type it up instead of point-and-click, right? ^.^

Well... you can buy a Wii compatible keyboard... but I don't think you can get them in US or UK at the moment.

lol Well, really, I prefer to play the Wii instead of go online with it; isn't that what a computer is for? lol

In the older days...

lol Good point... Hmm... Yeah... Sitting at a desk is not as fun as lying in a bed up-side-down, is it? lol

0_0

You don't make love to your Wii do you?

Oh! SO THATS what that port was for! @_@

No... <.< I mean, since the controller is wireless, why not type on you bed up-side-down instead of an uncomfortable chair? o.O

I have a wireless keyboard... in my loft...

<.< I don't have one in my bedroom, but there's one on the comp in my living room. SO, I can't lie in my bed and type. And besides, my right eye has horrid sight and I didn't get any sleep last night... Running in place for 10,000 steps is fun, but when i woke up, my leg muscle cramped up. My school P.E. Department came up with the ide to give everyone pedometers... <.< All the 8th grade students got pedometers as a requirement to pass P.E. -_-;;

You could attach the monitor to a laptop and send the keyboard signal to desktop and it is relayed to lappy!!!

I love my :lappy:!!!

... I think we need to stop going back and forth about the wireless keyboard compability of the Wii...

I was playing around with the Wii for awhile at my friend's house. I enjoyed it, especially when I hit her in the face by accident. :bleh:

Gee... That was uncalled for, now wasn't it? lol so... who else has the Wii? <.<

I do! ..... in my dreams..... >_>;
Actually, I'm getting one sometime next year. My friend was retarded enough to have him and his family wait outside of Walmart on a SCHOOL NIGHT just to get a ticket for one, which his dad picked up while he was at school. He was going around screaming he got one, and he's been the end of so many cruel jokes because of that. -.-

Ouch... that luck must suck: He gets the Wii, but ends up the end of cruel jokes... Both good... and bad... <.<;;

Yea..... we still torment him about it, too..... but he says he has a lot a fun with it, even though he doesn't have any frickin games besides Wii Sports..... >_>

lol... o.O Well, the Wii Sports were kinda fun before we got the LoZ for the Wii. ~_^

Yea, Twilight Princess is awsome.....

It sucks at the same time... I have to catch a stupid Reekfish and I don't understand how to pick it up... <.< I got it five times all ready, but still don't know how to pick it up... >.< I gave up and now I'm here... lol

Want me to tell you silver?

You don't pick it up, you catch it, and then smell it as a wolf to catch it's scent. It took me awhile to figure out too, so don't feel bad.
Then again, it should be pretty obvious with a name like 'reekfish,' so maybe we're both retarded XD

Freaking awesome game though, I still need to finish it. I'm in the "heavens" temple. ^_^

lol Htx for the advice, but my little brother beat both of us to it...............

I guess we are both retarded.

Haha, ah well! XD

As a semi-Wii fanboy myself, I still need to view Nintendo's next-gen console from two different angles. Therefor, I ask you all this:

Will the Wii continue its massive popularity over the years? Will there be enough great games to hold against Sony's über lineup? Will the Wiimote become less cool over time?

I guess it depends on the uniqueness of the games that the wii put out. Since the wii require you to become more interactive w/ the gameplay than the xbox360 and playstation3, the wii has to be more unique w/ the way the games are played. It was a smart move to do this but it can put the system into a bind. Since you're more interactive w/ the gameplay, the games must be more interactive w/ the player(s). While unique, the wiimote may bore some people and really tire them out. Not every gamers like to feel the burn and I know alot of people are more comfortable playing their games w/ both hands on one controller. Since the xbox360 and playstation 3 never really changed the gameplay of their games, they don't have to try as hard to be unique in gameplay since it's basically what come have been done on the playstation2 and xbox but w/ better graphics which for some people is more than enough. It's hard to tell since the wii hasn't been out that long but unless we can clearly see they lost the magic that made the wii unique, I don't see it becoming less popular. I feel that the wii will go on to be very popular for years to come but only if the games remain unique and take a new appoarch never seen in gaming.

Great post Divine Shadow!
Well, I don't have my Wii yet, but I've already played it in a game store and I think it won't be less cool over time. It was built with that new technology to change our concepts about playing video games and it will only be so popular if the gamers accept that new concept. I agree with Divine Shadow, Wii won't be less popular with the time. Wii is here to stay.
Wii would like to play!

lol Yup, yup... I'd have to agree with the two of you... After all, I prefer the Wii over the PS3 & Xbox390 any day... but that's just me... lol

It was built with that new technology to change our concepts about playing video games and it will only be so popular if the gamers accept that new concept
Exactly, have you noticed that most games come out both for Xbox360 and PS3, and not Wii?

well, i did notice(before the wii came out) that mosth games were for any other consels excpet game cube, nintendo ds,nintendo game boy, basicly anything nintendo

what is it with the developers? Do they just hate Ninetedo or something... <.<;;

Maybe they hate the revolution that is the wii.

Exactly, have you noticed that most games come out both for Xbox360 and PS3, and not Wii?

The only reason for this is that the Wii cannot handle the 360's or ps3's games without them being dumbed down first.

On the same note, I'd like to point out that all of the good Wii games are WII EXCLUSIVES. And for the same reason - the ps3 and 360 cannot handle good Wii games.

Elebits, Trauma Center, Raving Rabbids, Wii Sports, and Zelda were all made from the ground up for the Wii, (well, with the exception of Zelda, but even that is better on the Wii than the GC) and couldn't have been done on the two other consoles.

Also, I'd ask everyone to stop pretending that developers hate Nintendo and the Wii. Wii is getting some good support out there, and actually has a better lineup than the ps3 (and arguably the 360) right now. As long as Wii continues to sell, developers will keep developing great exclusives for it, which simply won't be happening as often on the 360 or ps3, for development cost reasons.

Wii is getting some good support out there, and actually has a better lineup than the ps3 (and arguably the 360) right now.
Yeah, it does have a better lineup than the PS3, and it's just because of Zelda. If it weren't for that game then they would both be on the same page. Anyway, just like Sony did with PS2, the great games come a bit later. Metal Gear 4, Devil May Cry 4, GTA 4, Gran Turismo, God of War 3, Assassin's Creed, Castlevania, Final Fantasy XIII, Silent Hill and of course Guitar Hero & Singstar! =)

Don't get me wrong, I will buy a Wii as soon as I get hold of one, but I just hope that when they finished Mario and SSBB that they will keep releasing great, not 'good', games.

(Pure speculation on my part follows)

I'm hoping for great Mega Man and Sonic Wii titles. Afterburner (?) sounds like it'll be a good flight simulator, and we can count on LucasArts for a light saber game and a space flight simulator. Mario Party 8 will be a good follow-up to WarioWare, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a brand-new puzzle game. As for RPGs, I believe Square promised a Crystal Chronicles-type game for Wii, and we may get a new generation of Pokemon (hopefully one that resurrects the game with a revolution in gameplay). We may also see more of Donkey Konga, and of course we'll get many light-gun FPS's, one of which is bound to hit pay dirt.

So Wii has the potential to cover all the genres with great games...here's hoping they can pull it off :)

^

The Sonic game looks good, but I doubt it will live up to the old ones especially since its predecessors sucked so hard. LucasArts is currently developing "StarWars 2007" (working title) for the PS3, not Wii. Mario Party 8 hasn't really been commercialised yet, but when it does come out I think it will land upon the junk of Mario Party 3-7. The Wiimote may lend it some quality, but aren't we sick of mini games after WiiSports, WiiPlay and WarioWare already?

Metal Gear 4, Devil May Cry 4, GTA 4, Gran Turismo, God of War 3, Assassin's Creed, Castlevania, Final Fantasy XIII, Silent Hill and of course Guitar Hero & Singstar! =)

Yar, those be some good games. Of course, guitar hero is for all platforms. Assasin's Creed isn't exclusive....Castlevania kind of sucks on home consoles...I don't think Silent Hill has been announced yet....I've never played Singstar, sadly, and FFXIII and MGS are going to be amazing, but I'm not convinced they'll stay exclusives.

I wasn't saying the Ps3 isn't going to have an awesome lineup (I think it will, and that it might even end up being better than the Wii's, though I think it'll be pretty close.) I was saying that the Wii will probably end up with the better lineup of *exclusives,* as the 360 and ps3 are going to end up sharing a lot of games, to help with the high development costs. :3

But yeah, I'll have a ps3 too. FFXIII looks amazing. XD

I'll have my own Wii in 7 days!!!

PS: Nintendo will release FFXII for Wii.

Well, since we're speaking of games, I can't wait 'til Brawl is in my hands...! Whahaha! That's probably going to be my favorite game on the Wii... lol

I have a Wii and I would never trade it for any thing!
At my locel Game shops (3) combined they have almst 270 PS3s and 360s
But they are all sold out of Wiis so Im thinking the Wii is 270 times as populr as the 360 and PS3

oh, wow.... Just goes to show you how thinking out side the box helps change gameplay!

I don't actually own it, my cousins do. But I've played it before, pretty cool system, but I like the sports the most I guess. Because I'd beat my brothers AND my cousins (older and younger) easy. Plus, you could actually get exercise from the boxing.

I do, I camped out for it with my friend on Launch day.
I also got sick for 3 days afterwards...