Mods, I would just like to say this is a serious thread, maybe my wording is off, but my intentions are good. I take advantage of the current situation to make this kind of thread.

Translates to: PLEASE don't ban me!! *begs* I have good intentions




Pornographic material seems to be a taboo subject, I for one have some questions.

Why is porn considered bad by most of society? Are the fantasies portrayed in erotic media created by "users" and imitated by labels? Or does the public mimic the behaviors shown to them?

Is the Pornographic industry an untapped influential resource?

I hope the people who post here don't mess it up...

Hey guys its my neck on the line here XD, at least try to be a little serious?

Long story short....its bad for the imagination, and prevents chidren from obtaining the subject matter.

I don't like porn. I think it puts ideas into peoples heads...

I'm not for porn to tell the thruth, but I find it rather funny ass specialy when you hear those fake orgasm, priceless.

... is this related to the General Chat??? <_<

The reason most of society frowns upon is, well for christian folk, it's a sin falling under the category of Adultery. Secondly, sex is supposed to express love between two people, porn only expresses pleasure. On top of that, porn is normally used for masturbation, which is also frowned upon.

The reason most of society frowns upon is, well for christian folk, it's a sin falling under the category of Adultery. Secondly, sex is supposed to express love between two people, porn only expresses pleasure. On top of that, porn is normally used for masturbation, which is also frowned upon.

You put more thought in that than I did lol.

... I just thought porn was for entertainment...

... is this related to the General Chat??? <_<
Jaso the world isn't about you, just because you mention hentai doesn't mean everything posted on that or similar topics revolves around you.

I just thought it could be a potentially interesting conversation topic.

I didn't say that. I was just asking if the orgasms in porn she watched were fake or if she was taking a misunderstanding too far. Don't be so critical.

I didn't say that. I was just asking if the orgasms in porn she watched were fake or if she was taking a misunderstanding too far. Don't be so critical.

Oh no no, lol I was just saying my opinion face to porn, it's funny. Nothing I say was relevent to you, sorry for the confusion.

ok, first I want to say that I was linked into this thread, so I didn't click it because of its name :P.

now to the subject. Pornographic material has been around for ages. It has been around so long, that the first of it couldn't be engraved upon stone, because they hadn't yet invented the stone.

And I don't know whether it is good or bad watching it, since that's up to every individual to decide.

Long story short....its bad for the imagination, and prevents children from obtaining the subject matter.How is porn bad for the imagination?

I'm indifferent about it. I don't see it as good, nor as bad. Then again, I've never watched it, so I wont judge. Simply put it seems kinda meaningless to me. *shrug* Oh well. Sounds like I'm judging....

I suppose I could see two sides of the issue. On one hand, much porn exploits women greatly for the benefit of men, which is certainly a negative, but on the other, I think it's silly to deny sexual desire unnecessarily. I find a lot of porn rather silly and uninteresting, myself.

Jaso the world isn't about you, just because you mention hentai doesn't mean everything posted on that or similar topics revolves around you.

I just thought it could be a potentially interesting conversation topic.

YES, DAMMIT!

*ahem* Anyways...well I also feel indiferent about this porn thing, it's been in the world for ages, and no matter what anyone thinks about it, it's going to stay. Some could see it as perverted, others as "educational", some people might just be bored and feeling kinky...It's not for everyone, yet at the same time, it serves its purpose.

I don't watch it simply because I believe my age is not for that, and it's good to be rather naive sometimes (you don't have to know *everything*). And as Eddy said, it *is* kind of silly and to put it simply, fake.

I suppose I could see two sides of the issue. On one hand, much porn exploits women greatly for the benefit of men, which is certainly a negative, but on the other, I think it's silly to deny sexual desire unnecessarily. I find a lot of porn rather silly and uninteresting, myself.

You know it isn't just women who make porn videos...


(Have never watched gay porn, honest)

It's bullshit to say that porn exploits women for the benefit of men, do you really think those women don't enjoy what they are doing? They love it, so that argument is off the table.

I don't mind porn, though I don't watch it myself. People who like it are free to watch it, people who don't like it just shouldn't watch.

*puts up anti-sig barrier*

(no seriously, this means don't make any stupid half-written quotes on it).

I don't actually watch filmed/live porn. I only watch anime version (yes, "hentai")

Althought this one girl on my brothers MSN account sent me some live HLA :lol:

I don't like pronography because it makes women look like 'things' and not people. Especially here in my high school, all the guys just look at a girl and see something to fool around with and leave and not a person. =/

But eh, who am I?

It's bullshit to say that porn exploits women for the benefit of men, do you really think those women don't enjoy what they are doing? They love it, so that argument is off the table.

I mean women as a whole -_-

... and Angelic didn't?

It's bullshit to say that porn exploits women for the benefit of men, do you really think those women don't enjoy what they are doing? They love it, so that argument is off the table.

I don't mind porn, though I don't watch it myself. People who like it are free to watch it, people who don't like it just shouldn't watch.

Very true.

... and Angelic didn't?
No, because he said the women enjoying it, and not all women are in the adult film business....

And the ones that are have their reasons. It's a job just like any other, even though it may be "wrong" for some people. You can't really say they're being "used" because most of them do it because they *need* to. Not saying it's a good thing, because there are many other jobs out there, but it's their lives...

I have to admit a girl being a porn actress would probably cause me slight discomfort ( were I to be friends or dating her)

Depends what type of porn. There's been many reports in newspapers where men get deranged and act out things they see on the web. Aspyxiation is one such practice (where someone gets pleasure from strangling or being strangled). I guess there's safe porn and not so safe porn. Also I read somewhere that in one of the northern european countries, teenage guys were disappointed with not being able to make a girl orgasm like in a porn vid they see on the internet, so a lot of them probably do fake.

The only people I can think of that would watch porn is stodgy horny (old) men, sex addicts, and basement lurkers that satisfy themselves otherwise since they don't have a way with the wo/men. So beg my pardon if I can't see the point.

Must! Think! Outside! Box! Damn it!

@^: hmmm so are you implying that M or Sir Jaso are stodgy horny (old) men, sex addicts, and basement lurkers lurkers that satisfy themselves otherwise since they don't have a way with the women? :mellow:

XD Probably...

*self esteem dropped by 14 points*

Oh! Dear! Did I imply that?? *apologises profusely*
No, I meant in general. I can give exceptions for them. They are special.

Do you mean people who what porn are people who simply can't see things like that themselves?

Good discussion topic.

I think it's just a form of entertainment, same as watching a movie, just with a lot of nudity. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. Porn has been one of the driving factors of many technological advances, such as the VCR and high-speed internet in the home.

I don't think porn's point is to exploit women. The women (and men) in pornography are usually professionals and are almost always being paid. They are not being forced to do this. Whether or not they enjoy it, it's a job.

As far as the morality of watching it, I believe it's a personal choice. If you enjoy watching porn, then go ahead. If not, then don't.

And I would like people to stop using forum members as examples in threads like this -_-

The reason most of society frowns upon is, well for christian folk, it's a sin falling under the category of Adultery. Secondly, sex is supposed to express love between two people, porn only expresses pleasure. On top of that, porn is normally used for masturbation, which is also frowned upon.

I knew somehow Christianity would play into this. Having been raised in a Christian family myself, I've always been told porn, and lust is wrong. Yet never have I been given a good reason. Can one really control lust? If a person sees an attractive person, is it really possible not to lust? I don't believe it is any more possible to control lust in such a situation than it is to control feeling sad when a loved one dies.

Who said sex was supposed to be love between two people? What's wrong with just pleasure? There is no negative factor in enjoying sex for it's pleasure soley. There is nothing wrong with masturbation. There is nothing in the bible, or in any religion for that matter that can give a logical reason for masturbation, or sex without love to be bad. Saying "God said so" is not a logical reason, but instead argumentum ad verecundiam. If sex or masturbation with pornography can raise a person's esteem and make them feel better about themselves, then on the contrary it should be a postive, moral thing.

Another issue discussed is how women are viewed. As Angelic mentioned, it is the woman's choice to carry out such acts. Secondly, can anyone of you who watch porn hoenstly say you view every women as an object? I think the "view women as an object" tries to encompass the term "women" in a universal manner as to refer to all the women in the world as such, when in reality, it is merely the person in the pornographic film. I won't deny that I'm looking at the women in a ponographic film as an object, but that doesn't mean I carry out this perspective into my daily life and view all the other women I meet and encounter as objects.

The only people I can think of that would watch porn is stodgy horny (old) men, sex addicts, and basement lurkers that satisfy themselves otherwise since they don't have a way with the wo/men. So beg my pardon if I can't see the point.

Must! Think! Outside! Box! Damn it!

Well...you've just been a complete idiot telling us to think outside the box because you just haven't. A lot of men view porn. Some men within their own marriage watch porn. Some couples use porn to spice up their sex life. I'm pretty sure most of the male teenage population have seen some sort of porn (includes hentai Sir Jaso). I'm also pretty sure girls view porn as well (although they tend to laugh at it than use it for self-satisfaction).

You also can't make exceptions if you're going to criticise the general population because if you exempt one person, then why don't you exempt another. It's unfair to say that.

Depends what type of porn. There's been many reports in newspapers where men get deranged and act out things they see on the web. Aspyxiation is one such practice (where someone gets pleasure from strangling or being strangled). I guess there's safe porn and not so safe porn. Also I read somewhere that in one of the northern european countries, teenage guys were disappointed with not being able to make a girl orgasm like in a porn vid they see on the internet, so a lot of them probably do fake.

Safe and un-safe porn?
As far as I can tell all porn is safe, except those that promote the cause of pain/degradation to someone (unless its made perfectly clear that the behaviour is emulated)

[@the Bold]...they just didnt have 'l337 skillz' XD


Good discussion topic.
Phew...thread is safe I hope.^.^

kinda offtopic: Wasn't sex/masturbation healing? Like sexual activity could cure headaches and stuff?

Well...you've just been a complete idiot telling us to think outside the box because you just haven't. A lot of men view porn. Some men within their own marriage watch porn. Some couples use porn to spice up their sex life. I'm pretty sure most of the male teenage population have seen some sort of porn (includes hentai Sir Jaso). I'm also pretty sure girls view porn as well (although they tend to laugh at it than use it for self-satisfaction).

You also can't make exceptions if you're going to criticise the general population because if you exempt one person, then why don't you exempt another. It's unfair to say that.

Yeah. I meant myself. Not you people. :mellow:

kinda offtopic: Wasn't sex/masturbation healing? Like sexual activity could cure headaches and stuff?

Apparently it's good against stress. So when you're full of stress from school, masturbate! http://content.imagesocket.com/images/emot_flashfapee6.gif You have an excuse now XD

Apparently it's good against stress. So when you're full of stress from school, masturbate! You have an excuse now XD
XD

I hear that having sex releases hormones and stuff that make you healthy, so people who have sex more ofte are healthier.

and the 40% ish of reduced risk of prostate cancer in men who masturbate a couple times every couple weeks... and yeah its very effective against stress.

Easy-Off BAM! and the grease is gone.

My sources inform me that masturbation in males makes them lose there ability to get an erection or an orgasm or something like that. I don't remember. But anyways. That can't be much good eh?Would you care to clarify your ambiguous "sources"?

Ahh.. television, if you will? Actually I can't quite remember. It might have been the intranet.

ahhh sephiroth see's an interested topic which has long since been forgotten at ichigos. hmmm this was something i thought was worth signing on and making a comment about.

i'm going to say something a little bold or stupid depends how you look at it. 95% of people who watch porn do it for masturbation reasons. it's no use trying to walk around the subject it's true. As I was a person who always shyed away from that my mates were proud to say it in a big group. "yeh so what it's natural and im a man"

if your too young or not mature enough to handle the details of this content then dont read anymore.

i'm a guy just like anybody else and if I was honest i'd say I use porn for the way the majority of guys do. however not many people may know this but it is an addiction that is 1 I have been trying to give up for 4 years. as hard as it is to believe that something so simple may be something so hard to give up but it is true. as a hot blooded male once enough of my soldiers have gathered up they start acting up making me putting things bluntly, horny. now if im in an environment where say i go clubbing i then start trying to pull girls who I wouldnt normally think of going anywhere near but because im horny i think yea she's pretty ok why not. but if i've released my good men before that then it does actually level my head out and I can go out and think no that girl isnt the right 1 for me. also it's hard to wake up some days and have a morning glory as some put it. to those of you who don't know a morning glory is what guys round here class as a boner when you wake up. now guy doesnt have control over his partner for the most parts. so by using porn it's a kind of way of letting your partner get his fix to make sure that he stays down and that you keep a clean and level head.

and of course to others they just do it because it's pleasurable.


now that is something that is hard for me to open up to and i hope it hasnt made some members frown on me but i am 1 of the few who will be open and honest.

kinda offtopic: Wasn't sex/masturbation healing? Like sexual activity could cure headaches and stuff?
I think this is a separate topic. But yes masturbation is natural and healthy, as is sex if you are smart about it.

My sources inform me that masturbation in males makes them lose there ability to get an erection or an orgasm or something like that. I don't remember. But anyways. That can't be much good eh?

XD I dunno who told you that, but if that were the case the human race would have died out by now. I think you might have misunderstood what the tv was saying. Straight after orgasm from masturbation, an erection goes down (unless you're really really horny), but depending on age, the time it takes for you to get an erection again varies. For young males, it may just take another minute, for older men, it may take a few more hours.

I was once told that masturbation makes you blind. Well, how many of you wear glasses/contacts?

My sources inform me that masturbation in males makes them lose there ability to get an erection or an orgasm or something like that. I don't remember. But anyways. That can't be much good eh?

Didn't they use to say something like "if you touch it too much it'll go blind"?

Anyways I think ank is right, :think:

Has anyone seen Girl Next Door? if not don't click ;)

Remember in the end where they used porn to promote safe sex? think product placement and stuff...could be a very profitable business I think

I was once told that masturbation makes you blind. Well, how many of you wear glasses/contacts?There are many people, especially the Asians, that have been wearing glasses and/or contact for years before they hit puberty, let alone start masturbating. Your point?

@Dark bring. It's just an old childhood quote with personal input.

@Dark Bring. Its just an old childhood quote with no scientific basis.Fixed.

ahhh sephiroth see's an interested topic which has long since been forgotten at ichigos. hmmm this was something i thought was worth signing on and making a comment about.

i'm going to say something a little bold or stupid depends how you look at it. 95% of people who watch porn do it for masturbation reasons. it's no use trying to walk around the subject it's true. As I was a person who always shyed away from that my mates were proud to say it in a big group. "yeh so what it's natural and im a man"

if your too young or not mature enough to handle the details of this content then dont read anymore.

i'm a guy just like anybody else and if I was honest i'd say I use porn for the way the majority of guys do. however not many people may know this but it is an addiction that is 1 I have been trying to give up for 4 years. as hard as it is to believe that something so simple may be something so hard to give up but it is true. as a hot blooded male once enough of my soldiers have gathered up they start acting up making me putting things bluntly, horny. now if im in an environment where say i go clubbing i then start trying to pull girls who I wouldnt normally think of going anywhere near but because im horny i think yea she's pretty ok why not. but if i've released my good men before that then it does actually level my head out and I can go out and think no that girl isnt the right 1 for me. also it's hard to wake up some days and have a morning glory as some put it. to those of you who don't know a morning glory is what guys round here class as a boner when you wake up. now guy doesnt have control over his partner for the most parts. so by using porn it's a kind of way of letting your partner get his fix to make sure that he stays down and that you keep a clean and level head.

and of course to others they just do it because it's pleasurable.


now that is something that is hard for me to open up to and i hope it hasnt made some members frown on me but i am 1 of the few who will be open and honest.

I'm soo sorry to say so, but for some reason I all that a bit funny... be it the content or the way it was written, it was funny XD

Pornography sets unrealistic expectations for many people, and for many young people it is a bit addictive because of the high expectations it may set. As a few people have stated before on Ichigo's, porn is addictive, from them and from me, experiencing personal bouts I had with it. With the internet readily usable for the general public too, the bouts some have are very hard to get rid with.

But by no means do I think porn is wrong or should be banned. Its not good, but its not bad; its a form of entertainment showing an extremely pleasureful way of doing something very natural [or in some cases an extremely painful way of doing something very unnatural].

HanTony, You must not exceed 6 lines of text in your signature. Please edit it and grow up.

Okay, Jaso. Inform people of these things over PMs. How is that even remotely related to this thread? This isn't the General Chat. HanTony may not even check back into this thread. I don't think it's HanTony that needs to grow up, but you. Those are direct quotes, meaning they are exactly what you have said, without modifications. Regardless of how you feel about it, you said it, it's documented, and it is now on display. DEAL WITH IT. You have contradicted everything you said in regards to your recent ``hentai'' case. Hell, you've assumed and instigated sexual related conversations several times. There is a price to pay when you press a letter on your keyboard. I hope you'll grow to understand that you are responsible for each keystroke, and for all the words you have ever spoken. I hope you understand this responsibility someday.

Also, your lecturing of members is not only annoying, but executed wrong; sometimes hypocritical. Just stop doing it and let someone else who can properly correct these violations do so.


Sorry about that, folks, but I needed to take care of something that has been bugging me, as well as other members.
\end{rant}

I accept that it was the wrong place to post it, but that was not neccecary either. I asked him to edit his signature because it was exceeding the line limit specified in the FAQ section designated to signature limits. I did not, however complain because he was quoting me so don't you dare accuse me of such thing because I don't care what is in HanTony's signature, I was just informing him that he had exceeded the limit.~Jaso

And still your off topic Jaso. I will edit my sig, howether if you post such pointless bickering on a thread again i will overload your messages box with PM's until you understand how pointless your bickering has become. previous exampe....Cody/mccaulen. you seem to have scared him away.

I was once told that masturbation makes you blind. Well, how many of you wear glasses/contacts?

Well, if you're blind, you won't need to wear glasses for a start cause it wouldn't help your sight at all. You only need to wear glasses all the time if you have myopia. And yes of course masturbation makes you go blind. Of course nobody on this site masturbates because you need to be able to see in order to read :P

I also find it interesting how most people I have spoken to seem to take male masturbation with a "boys will be boys" attitude, meanwhile the same behavious in gals is bad...

(maybe I just only asked people with that mentality?)

@Jaso, I have to say I agree with M. A friendly reminder over IM is nice if you talk to the person regularly, if not report to the mods, or ignore it. Don't try to play mod, if anyone wanted you as a mod, they would have asked ;)

now.. STICK TO THE TOPIC!!! :)

girls do it too.-_-

girls do it too.-_-

it is believed that girls do it much less often than guys, and don't use pornagraphic matirial.

I also find it interesting how most people I have spoken to seem to take male masturbation with a "boys will be boys" attitude, meanwhile the same behaviour in girls is bad...

(maybe I just only asked people with that mentality?)
Yes, I think that you should ask more people about their opinions on masturbation, and yes, I think that it is equally good for both males and females to masturbate.

Sorry I meant bad in the sense of...unnacceptable, Im sure women do it too, I'm just wondering if peoples general is what I percieved, and if it is, could it lead to female masturbation having extra psychological effects?

(Thus making it naughty or whatever?)

my perception of porn and masturbation is - its the safest sex other then abstinence. i dont see the problem for either sex or anything as long as they keep it to themselves and do it in their privacy and spare time. and as long as the material is legal. freaky pedos...

Sex can be dangerous for diabetics. Need to eat first.

Sex can be dangerous for diabetics. Need to eat first.You (I) learn something new every day.

*diabetics carry a condom AND a candybar!*

Masturbation also helps control the population!

porn exist since the old times when ppl draw them on paper!

leave this topic be. how can we stop something thats been here longer than the internet... =.= huhu...

Oh yeah, when I went on holiday to Italy, there was porn on the walls in the red light district in the ruins of Pompeii which dated back before 79AD(or BC?) when the volcano erupted.

Porn existed since the old times when people carved them on stone!Fixed.


Leave this topic be. how can we stop something that's been here longer than the internet... =.= huhu...We're not trying to stop it. In fact, some of us might be trying to help it.

It's bullshit to say that porn exploits women for the benefit of men, do you really think those women don't enjoy what they are doing? They love it, so that argument is off the table.

I don't mind porn, though I don't watch it myself. People who like it are free to watch it, people who don't like it just shouldn't watch.

Well, I don't agree with that. What do you make of the african women who are "imported" to France and other european countries as sexual slaves ? These women surely don't enjoy what they're doing; they're doing it to bring some kind of money to their family, even though it seems obvious to us that it won't really help.

Moreover, what about child pornography? These little girls surely don't enjoy the act either, they probably barely understand what's going on yet !

Finally, why is it that most porn actress fall in the hell of drugs and alcohol, if not to forget how shitty their life is ? To return to the case of the european slaves, these women also use drugs to cut their appetite, because an empty stomach prevents them from vomiting when performing such sexual acts as a blowjob on people who lack good hygiene.

my perception of porn and masturbation is - its the safest sex other then abstinence. i dont see the problem for either sex or anything as long as they keep it to themselves and do it in their privacy and spare time. and as long as the material is legal. freaky pedos...


ew.

am i the only person here that doesnt masturbate? :mellow:


lol pr0n.

0_0 you dont masturbate? 0_0

not for 3 years now

Dx

CMA

Cronic masturbators Anoynomous XD

ew.

am i the only person here that doesnt masturbate? :mellow:


lol pr0n.

hey. i didnt say that i didnt masturbate. i didnt say that i did either. i gave my opinion on the matter.

that "ew" was uncalled for.

ps, even if you dont masturbate, you will eventually have a wet dream. and those buddies you didnt send in a tissue will all come all at once and youll have a quite large splatter on your bedsheets/underware/pj/whatever the f**k ur wearing to go to sleep.

on top of that, masturbating releases stress and reduces your chances of prostate cancer. (by 40% or something!!!)

guys normally take their chances with hairy palms.

This thread ruins my childhood innocence. I want to be old. :gramps:

Nah, I'll just avoid this thread.

you could have said all of that by not posting ^_^

Well, I don't agree with that. What do you make of the african women who are "imported" to France and other european countries as sexual slaves ? These women surely don't enjoy what they're doing; they're doing it to bring some kind of money to their family, even though it seems obvious to us that it won't really help.

Moreover, what about child pornography? These little girls surely don't enjoy the act either, they probably barely understand what's going on yet !

Finally, why is it that most porn actress fall in the hell of drugs and alcohol, if not to forget how shitty their life is ? To return to the case of the european slaves, these women also use drugs to cut their appetite, because an empty stomach prevents them from vomiting when performing such sexual acts as a blowjob on people who lack good hygiene.

Angelic's point was obviously about legal pornography according to western standards.

And about other points:
Yes, women do masturbate, something like half of sexually active women own a sex toy of some sort. Sometimes couples even watch porn together, omg!!
The myth about masturbation/sex causing blindness is because people used to think that the repetitive erm... "force", let's say, goes to your head and affects your eyes. Ties in with how people used to think that masturbation and sex before marriage was wrong.

Oh, and ANOTHER thing (third edit by now):
Okay, so in porn, women can be made to look like "things". If we're just talking about legal porn, all the women are at least 18 years old and do things out of choice. Some women ENJOY being in the submissive role and like to be treated that way during sex. Then again, you do get porn where the women is the dominant one.

NB: No reading between the lines and making statements about Spoony's preferences!!

And enough about the "yeah, I masturbate!" rubbish :P

Ok ok ok ok, let's simplify it here, ok? Let's just say... porn is like drugs...... lol, there you go, short, yet simple and understandable. Usually, looking at porn is the result of depression or loneliness. For you parents out there, I'd say you'd better put a harness on your children, and keep em away from these, "things". For once the rockets goin, it ain't stoppin I can tell you that. Why? Children would interpret this type of information and what would be considered to them, "something new" lmao, yes, I bet ya;; experienced something like that once in your life.

umm........BS.

Porn isn't like drugs its addictiveness (made up word FTW) isn't predefined its up to the "user". I think we can all agree we have seen porn at one time or another.....according to what you said...makes us sound like a bunch of porn obsessed crackheads.

Also..keeping your kid on a harness to keep him away from the "bad stuff" means (IMHO) failing as a parent...you should teach your kids to steer clear on their own, not to have their hand slapped.

Ok ok ok ok, let's simplify it here, ok? Let's just say... porn is like drugs...... lol, there you go, short, yet simple and understandable. Usually, looking at porn is the result of depression or loneliness. For you parents out there, I'd say you'd better put a harness on your children, and keep em away from these, "things". For once the rockets goin, it ain't stoppin I can tell you that. Why? Children would interpret this type of information and what would be considered to them, "something new" lmao, yes, I bet ya;; experienced something like that once in your life.

That would mean most of the people in the world are depressed?

Usually, looking at porn is the result of depression or loneliness.

*smirk* I actualy laughed at this. Sorry all you depressed and lonely people who look at porn.

Proof: girls are evil.

Ok ok ok ok, let's simplify it here, ok? Let's just say... porn is like drugs...... lol, there you go, short, yet simple and understandable. Usually, looking at porn is the result of depression or loneliness. For you parents out there, I'd say you'd better put a harness on your children, and keep em away from these, "things". For once the rockets goin, it ain't stoppin I can tell you that. Why? Children would interpret this type of information and what would be considered to them, "something new" lmao, yes, I bet ya;; experienced something like that once in your life.

Most people start porn as a result of hormones, horniness, or to relieve stress. I personally started looking at pornography before I was even remotely familiar with depression or lonliness. The fact that you actually tag depression and lonliness to pornography shows your inability to think maturely. On what POSSIBLE basis do you have to base depression or lonliness as the result for porn?

Don't you think it's possible that people do it to just relieve stress? So does that mean video games, television, or online blogs are the result of depression? People do these for many of the same reasons as they look at porn, so why is porn bad? I just see it as another way to have fun or relieve stress, like the video games I play. Sure, you can find a video game really amusing and play it constantly, but that doesn't make it a result of depression or lonliness.

I think people start on pornography because of curiosity of the other sex, and sex in general. Everything is kept so hush-hush when we are young, and suddenly you realized that a woman is different from a man, and a man is different from a woman.

i beleive we should expose children gradually and make them keep an open mind about everything. it would resolve a pack of problems that some f**king bigoty ba**rds always come up with IMO.

okokokok, I spoofed, lemme rephrase that, and look closely, I said usually... not always, usually, STARING at porn, and continueing to do so on a daily basis is mostly the result of depression or lonelyness, jeez can't ya'll leave some room for some opinion here, don't take it too seriously. We're all just expressing our thoughts is all.

okokokok, I spoofed, lemme rephrase that, and look closely, I said usually... not always, usually, STARING at porn, and continueing to do so on a daily basis is mostly the result of depression or lonelyness, jeez can't ya'll leave some room for some opinion here, don't take it too seriously. We're all just expressing our thoughts is all.

Your basis for this is?
Theres a difference between stating an opinion and making up some BS majority you wanna shove down people's throat.

Personally I think you're just against porn for some reason and want to make us too believe that its some kinda depressed maniac forming thing.


Children would interpret this type of information and what would be considered to them, "something new" lmao, yes, I bet ya;; experienced something like that once in your life.

If you mean sex:

I for one had a very good basic idea of what sex was way before looking at any porn...maybe its the way I was raised, my folks have always answered my questions straight up none of this birds and bees crap.

I don't mean to criticize how anybody was raised but personally I think its best your kid finds out from you than some misinformed 10 year old ;), then again thats just me.

If you mean pornography:

most people who view pornography again have a good concept of whats going on, as I said before porn is only as addictive as you make it, if you're easily hooked to stuff, you WILL get hooked, if not you wont.

(generalization I know, but bear with me, at least its logical)

okokokok, I spoofed, lemme rephrase that, and look closely, I said usually... not always, usually, STARING at porn, and continueing to do so on a daily basis is mostly the result of depression or lonelyness, jeez can't ya'll leave some room for some opinion here, don't take it too seriously. We're all just expressing our thoughts is all.

Again, you have no support for this "mostly the result of depression or lonliness". You can pull up any statistic of phrasing you want; you can say "it's 67% of the problem with depression", or "a majority of the people do it as a result of depression", but that is not an opinion, but just an unsupported statement. In other words, it's meaningless. Don't try to make up stuff like this unless you can support it.

not for 3 years now
How did it go again... oh, something like "90% percent of men masturbate, 10% lie"

;)

Haha that made me laugh... I get a hard-on every 5 mins... so embarrasing

Too much information there pal x_x

So if I talk to you on irc....you'll get a hard-on every 5 mins we talk.....? (shivers)

We had Religion. We had Ethics. We had Science. Now we have the best topic of all - for an exciting episode of (..been using that phrase pretty damn often lately, =_=; ) educated gladiating, all out refined flame retort wars, intellectual mudthrowing and oil-bath wrestling, and bitchfighting and catfighting while everyone else does the sit back, turn your cellphones off, and munch your popcorns while laughing your ass off thing.

So start your PCs, Polish your keyboards, fire at will and I'll keep the score count.

Need(want) for execution of reproductive process is a natural thing. If you can't flush the urge down the natural way, then do what the monkeys do. Wank. Now being cunning homo's (sapiens you dirty minded gimp, not sexuals), we invent tools to help us along the way. Like playboy and contraceptives and swissmade penis enlarger and viagra.. the list goes on.

If you're gonna call porn bad, then Bible's bad. Clothing's bad. Heck anything is heathen and evil and is beyond redemption.


Humans need faith(in something) to live right, some turn to religion right, but a few of them can't get enough relief just from the belief alone. So they need to have churches and etc.

Similarly, Humans need to .. let's be vulgar. We gotta screw something. some of us are more "able" and manage the real thing with (not really nice, but) many partners at once, some can't even score one. A few of them still want their relief, to pretend that they haven't failed the ultimate goal of life - reproduction, yet, so they play with themselves and have fun. Now a great lot of us who like the One Man Army Game, usually like it better when there's porn to guide us along the way.

See? its all the same. Throwing the R18 issue aside (but having had a good look at what was it.. the pentacoastals? or whatever? in Borat, I'm getting concerned with religion. It should be R18 too. like Crack and Alcohol and... let's be responsible hm? I mean anyone who read "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson(..sp?) would further agree, that those bunch are damned funny.)

Back on track, throwing the R18 issue aside, your usually virtuous neighbour is seen renting some hardcore SM porn at the video store. Who Gives A Fuck?

0_0

Someone needs to decrease their sugar intake...

[QUOTE=Jaso]Haha that made me laugh... I get a hard-on every 5 mins... so embarrasing[QUOTE]
Wow... What age did you start with... "Self-stimulation"? At 12? Are you always watching porn? Are you watching porn right now? What kinda porn do you "use"?
Well... I guess it's not a problem if you don't become an addict.

What's wrong with Nymphomania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nymphomania)? So long as it doesn't affect anyone, it shouldn't matter. Holy! I must have had a retarded moment or something.

Also it's bad for a male to naturally hold an erection beyond 5 hours. As in "see your doctor" bad. As frequent as the above quote states it occurs, it makes me wonder if I should recommend a physical examination from your doctor.

You can't be serious. I mean like.. we all know Jaso's kidding =_=

If it really is.. go write your name down on the Guiness Book of records, lol

We had Religion. We had Ethics. We had Science. Now we have the best topic of all - for an exciting episode of (..been using that phrase pretty damn often lately, =_=; ) educated gladiating, all out refined flame retort wars, intellectual mudthrowing and oil-bath wrestling, and bitchfighting and catfighting while everyone else does the sit back, turn your cellphones off, and munch your popcorns while laughing your ass off thing.

So start your PCs, Polish your keyboards, fire at will and I'll keep the score count.

Need(want) for execution of reproductive process is a natural thing. If you can't flush the urge down the natural way, then do what the monkeys do. Wank. Now being cunning homo's (sapiens you dirty minded gimp, not sexuals), we invent tools to help us along the way. Like playboy and contraceptives and swissmade penis enlarger and viagra.. the list goes on.

If you're gonna call porn bad, then Bible's bad. Clothing's bad. Heck anything is heathen and evil and is beyond redemption.


Humans need faith(in something) to live right, some turn to religion right, but a few of them can't get enough relief just from the belief alone. So they need to have churches and etc.

Similarly, Humans need to .. let's be vulgar. We gotta screw something. some of us are more "able" and manage the real thing with (not really nice, but) many partners at once, some can't even score one. A few of them still want their relief, to pretend that they haven't failed the ultimate goal of life - reproduction, yet, so they play with themselves and have fun. Now a great lot of us who like the One Man Army Game, usually like it better when there's porn to guide us along the way.

See? its all the same. Throwing the R18 issue aside (but having had a good look at what was it.. the pentacoastals? or whatever? in Borat, I'm getting concerned with religion. It should be R18 too. like Crack and Alcohol and... let's be responsible hm? I mean anyone who read "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson(..sp?) would further agree, that those bunch are damned funny.)

Back on track, throwing the R18 issue aside, your usually virtuous neighbour is seen renting some hardcore SM porn at the video store. Who Gives A Fuck?

Kou, I fucking love you. That was one of the funniest posts I've ever seen on the internets. XP

How did it go again... oh, something like "90% percent of men masturbate, 10% lie"

;)

10% of wemen masturbate, 90% lie LOL

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http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2820/mpervok6.png

it is believed that girls do it much less often than guys, and don't use pornagraphic matirial.

Some girls are too afraid to masturbate, or the concept of fingering yourself and so on is 'weird'.

You could also take into account that it often takes longer for a woman to reach her climax, which might make it less appealing to masturbate, but then again, the time taken probably decreases as they practice it more often.

[Just wanted to give one girls opinion, as this thread seems to be mainly dominated by the guys]

Men just can't stop themselves from clicking on a header reading: "Pornographic Material"

Some girls are too afraid to masturbate, or the concept of fingering yourself and so on is 'weird'.

You could also take into account that it often takes longer for a woman to reach her climax, which might make it less appealing to masturbate, but then again, the time taken probably decreases as they practice it more often.

[Just wanted to give one girls opinion, as this thread seems to be mainly dominated by the guys]

Thats relative.. As far as I know the male orgasm lasts upto 12 seconds, and the female one upto something like 30 (dont quote me on numbers, ballpark figures I remember, I'll look em up later) so.... more work = more fun XD

Afraid to masturbate?

Yeah Moon, thanks for the Female POV, hopefully we can get a discussion going.;)

[Edit]



The most basic physical disparities between the male and the female orgasm are the most conspicuous. Typical male orgasm lasts no more than a couple of seconds, while in women, climaxes of up to a minute are known. But the difference in time taken to reach orgasm is even more significant.

http://www.sensualism.com/sex/orgasmic.html

Men just can't stop themselves from clicking on a header reading: "Pornographic Material"

XD If that happens to you, it means something... you started in this magical world about... 3-4 years ago?

This thread made me laugh... *rereads Kou's first post for the fun of it* XD

I'm of the belief that as long as one doesn't advertise one's pornographic tendencies to those who would rather not hear about it, and keep it as a private thing, then one should be able to do whatever is deigned necessary and/or sufficient to satisfy one's sexual wants.

As for pornography, I believe that it is an industy, just like any other, but it's an industry that deals with satisfying the more carnal needs of its patrons. Being a porn actor/actress is a job, albeit one surrounded with a bit more controversy than most. I would imagine that most of the persons involved are alright with what they do.

I myself have never pr0n surfed. Mom has this nifty program that records every keystroke and page from the minute the drive boots up to the moment the little power light goes off. Naturally, I wouldn't want to dissapoint her when she checks it. She just skips the fanfiction and forum stuff, though. :shifty:

0_0 :

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2820/mpervok6.png

O_O :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/aboot/pr0nfan.jpg

Whats ^ and ^^ got to do with pr0n?

I never got Jaso's reply, but he seems to be the one member of ichigos who seems most interested in the subject ;)

Its an age thing XD

¬_¬ Han I am one of the youngest regulars on this thread. ¬_¬

I think Jasos intial reply meant to say:

OMG pornographic material by M!
or
M posted in the Porn thread OMG!

@ Jaso, im pretty sure thats what he means, that because of your age you are most attracted to the thread.

Im second highest poster YAY!

^ Yes that is what i mean.

You created the thread so your expected to have a high post count XD

...why is that? I don't think any of Gand's threads have had more than 20 posts by him... with a few exceptions...

well its logical to assume that like in my mass IM convos in my thread I would also try to keep the conversation going. Also my creating a thread implies that I have views and or questions on the subject.

anyways back on topic please.

Okay then, PORN!

I never watched filmed porn... probably won'for a long time anyway.

No wonder you like hentai then. This thread is quiet so i must say that it would seem everything has been said already.

I found a dvd on the floor after my dad visited ._.;;;
How do I tell him that he left it there?

Just post it to him Anonymously and he will stay quiet about it but be secretly thankful.

I found a dvd on the floor after my dad visited ._.;;;
How do I tell him that he left it there?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! XD

Why did he bring a dvd to your house in the first place? ^ ^"
I say you humiliate him as best you can, to teach him a lesson. kekekekeke >:3
But I'm evil, so whatevs.

Except teaching him a lesson would probably be awkward for you too, as would watching your dad's pron. It seems the only real option is to burn it, and try to forget about it as best you can. X3

switch the CD for some weird creepy type of porn, like...iunno gay S&M and replace the cover on it too, then imagine his face next time he plays it.

^ Also a fine idea. X3

Sounds fun!

But seriously, your father does not deserve that. I vote for post and maybe a small note for him to perhaps find another way of finding happiness or masturbation. Also, a polite note that, if he can't stop this form of entertainment, he should be wary where he carries it.

switch the CD for some weird creepy type of porn, like...iunno gay S&M and replace the cover on it too, then imagine his face next time he plays it.

lol, gay porn aint creepy well thats my own opinion.

lol, gay porn aint creepy well thats my own opinion.
Well, if his dad's a homophobe. *bites tounge*

oh hmm, well if his dad is homophobe he shouldn't be =/ lol. anyhow! I watch all kinds of porn its fun :D!

I've never actualy seen gay porn, just what came to mind at the moment, any type of weid german/japanese porn/hentai will do, just remember, if he gets hooked on it its YOUR fault (NOT mine)

ok, we'll say that it'll be my fault :)

I've never actualy seen gay porn, just what came to mind at the moment, any type of weid german/japanese porn/hentai will do, just remember, if he gets hooked on it its YOUR fault (NOT mine)

*Shoves filth in the form of Yaoi in front of Luis' face*
"Mwahaha! DIE!!!"

Anybody else see that there's almost an equal amount of Yaoi fanfiction out there as heterosexual fiction?

:o This is what frightens me most... :o

*puts up anti-sig barrier*

(no seriously, this means don't make any stupid half-written quotes on it).

I don't actually watch filmed/live porn. I only watch anime version (yes, "hentai")

Althought this one girl on my brothers MSN account sent me some live HLA :lol:

The question is, is there a difference between watching real women or hentai. Is hentai okay because you're not watching real people? -_-

Hentai and porn are in my head the same, the only difference is that with Hentai there is literary no limit to the things you can make up (and "act out"0, this in turn creates a larger library of more realistic fantasies for the "user".

Yeah, I find it hard to figure out wether its the same :huh: I mean it's not exactly commiting 'adultry' because they're pictures someone drew...Whereas watching a real woman is :think: .

Hentai and porn is far from the same thing, they share the same purpose, but one is real and one is just animated drawings.

I totally agree my dear. Since hentai isn't really real and not affecting any live person(s) in any physical or mental way, they can get away w/ some of the most sickening stuff you'll ever see in your life because the people in it aren't real human beings. They're just animated pictures in motion created for your pleasure.

Hentai and porn, one is real the other one isn't, they both however have the same objective and the same psychological effect, they could both influence the user in the same ways and make it all seem "ok".

Who's to say it isn't okay?

Well....
You reminded me of something someone said in phylosophy.


Do we think murder is wrong because it is? or is murder wrong because we think it is?

Some things done in porn/hentai are ... socialy unaccepted (and IMHO wrong) the material could make individuals think since people have acted them out / taken the time to write and draw out entire episodes on them makes them acceptable to try. (think breaking someone, rape etc.)

Sounds fun!

But seriously, your father does not deserve that. I vote for post and maybe a small note for him to perhaps find another way of finding happiness or masturbation. Also, a polite note that, if he can't stop this form of entertainment, he should be wary where he carries it.

A bit late, but...

You realise how weird that sounds?? x_x If one were to tell his or her dad what to do about their sexual pleasure... I dunno, just remember that this guy effectively MADE you partly because of sexual pleasure.

XD this thread is still alive and kicking?

You love it and you know it!

Not to change the subject or anything, but what about erotic books? opinions?

The ones without pictures? Fun to read but thats all you do (read).

I've read the Erotic Adventures of Sleeping Beauty, by A. N. Roquelaure.

The first two pages seem Sleeping Beauty-ish, but that's where the similarities end. It's pretty much just literary smut with a plot. I liked it, but nobody else I knew who even attempted to read it could get past the first three chapters... XD

I find it interesting just how many different nicknames were used in the books. I guess it would be rather raw and bare to say Penis everytime they talk about sex.

I was grateful for the colorful vocabulary. She's a natural smut writer, that woman is.

(On a side note, I'll just say for people who haven't read this, the authoress is Anne Rice writing under an alias.)

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How is it self deprivation?

While it's not you being immoral in the sense that you're not the one stripping or playing nasty...:\ you're still participating in immoral behavior because you are enjoying the self deprivation of another person.How do you define 'immoral behaviour'?

Even if we do define that, who are we to dictate the way others wish to act?

^Gods, obviously. ;)

But seriously, I'm gonna go ahead and echo Dark Bring's and M's questions. :3

hmm...we would have to define inmoral behaviour as one entity and not as individuals, then it would be all of us expecting the same things, and allowing the same things, also since we would all decide upon it, we would all be expected to understand it, and live by withing "moral boundaries". I honestly dont think that will ever happen, just dosent seem possible.

Unfortunately, moral boundaries are no more than views of opinion.

IMO the main reason for porn is because guys fail to get laid. Jaso is right, moral boundaries are broken to easily, even by those who stand by them.

IMO the main reason for porn is because guys fail to get laid.Would getting laid stop guys from liking porn?

Would getting laid stop guys from liking porn?

I definitely think that, while it may not stop them from liking it, getting laid would most probably will keep them away from it.

I definitely think that, while it may not stop them from liking it, getting laid would most probably will keep them away from it.

I disagree. Maybe if the guy was having sex with his *girlfriend* regularly. Not if he just went out and partied every weekend or so, and had sex with random girls he met.

Mainly because with a girlfriend he'd probably feel "<333In Love With Her <333 lolol," so he'd feel guilty watching porn. If he was just going about having one night stands, I think he'd continue watching porn. I mean, porn is faster and more convenient! GUYS ARE MADE FOR SPEED! FOR ACTION! THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GET LAID BY A NEW GIRL EVERY NIGHT!!!
heheheh. XD

I definitely think that, while it may not stop them from liking it, getting laid would most probably will keep them away from it.I guess it boggles your mind that it is possible to enjoy both porn and sex without having to forfeit either of them.

I disagree. Maybe if the guy was having sex with his *girlfriend* regularly. Not if he just went out and partied every weekend or so, and had sex with random girls he met.

That's what I meant by "getting laid." As in because of your sex life's devotion towards someone. You get me? So you conclude that the majority of guys that watch porn are single, and obviously, guys that can't get girls fall under the category of "single," ya know?

But I get what you and Dark Bring are saying: Yeah, of course you can have sex and enjoy porn at the same time. That makes total sense. *nod*

"Getting laid" and being in a relationship are two totally different things, Marlon. I know guys who have had sex with five different girls in a week, yet never seem to have a girlfriend. But yes, I agree with you now that you've made yourself more clear. :3


But I get what you and Dark Bring are saying: Yeah, of course you can have sex and enjoy porn at the same time. That makes total sense. *nod

And I hope that wasn't sarcastic, because it does make perfect sense. :heh:

And I hope that wasn't sarcastic, because it does make perfect sense. :heh:

No, it wasn't sarcastic.

Sorry, it's hard to tell on the internet sometimes. :3

I think I am the only person here who hasn't watched porn... 0_0

Jaso, hentai counts as porn, god damnit. Stop saying you haven't watched porn. Hentai is just a more niche type of porn than most people watch. If I mentioned that I saw a great live action porn to a friend, for example, I'd get a "That sounds f!cking nice!" If I mentioned to a friend that I found an awesome hentai, I'd be ridiculed and laughed at. (By most of my friends anyway, I have a few on the weirder side.) XD

So stop saying you don't watch porn. You do. It's just the unusual, extra embarrassing kind that nobody mentions. :heh:

Jaso, quit lying. You said you watched Bible Black. Did you watch it? Tell us the truth.

Jaso, you know people who say they get super wasted every weekend and then turn out to NEVER do anything... thats you with porn.

Im starting to think you have gigs and gigs of porn, and are just using hentai (that you think is "less bad" )to make it "ok" to slide into regular porn, I think yer just scared of admitting you watch porn and spank the monkey sometimes...

not that I care for what you do in your free time (unless you're like sodomizing stuffed animals...that'd be creepy)

I think I am the only person here who hasn't watched porn... 0_0

COMEDY GOLD.

Jaso, quit lying. You said you watched Bible Black. Did you watch it? Tell us the truth.


Jaso, you know people who say they get super wasted every weekend and then turn out to NEVER do anything... thats you with porn.

Im starting to think you have gigs and gigs of porn, and are just using hentai (that you think is "less bad" )to make it "ok" to slide into regular porn, I think yer just scared of admitting you watch porn and spank the monkey sometimes...

not that I care for what you do in your free time (unless you're like sodomizing stuffed animals...that'd be creepy)

Hentai isn't really porn though... is it?

Oh, the BB i watched at the time was cencored and the storyline made little sense. I watched the full version and after 10 mins I turned off. Never watched hentai again.

Hentai is porn, it's anime-porn and from what i've heard, a lot more detailed and violent lol.

Well... ok.

Hentai literally translates to "Abnormality" or "Metamorphosis" (hen - Unusual/Change/Strange; Tai - attitude/appearance), but has been used as a shorter version of the words "hentai seiyoku" or "abnormal sexual desires".1 That being said, titles that have been labeled "Hentai" contain extreme perverse situations almost always containing a sex scene with full nude women, and guys with oddly darker (or lighter) colored penises with a big black box over the foreskin or blurred with squares (I forget what the term is called; starts with a 'G'); sometimes without the sooner mentioned.

It dates as far back as the Edo period (1603 to 1867) when the first form of drawn pornography was made known in Japan; a catagory of "ukiyo-e" called "shunga" (meaning picture of spring; spring is commonly used as an euphemism for sex).2 Hentai used to mean something outside of the normal (ie hysteria, ESP, or even aliens).1 But in todays terms, and the cases you have refered to, I assure you, it means pornographic material.

If you want a straight forward explnation, hentai is a type of drawing explicitly for sexual purposes. These drawings are typically shown in the extreme to give a type of sexual rise that is impossible in the physical realm.3

For a general overview, check the wikipedia article.4



End Notes

1. http://wwwsshe.murdoch.edu.au/intersections/issue12/mclelland.html
2. http://www.artelino.com/articles/shunga.asp
3. http://www.thetwenty20cup.co.uk/directory/hentai/hentai.htm
4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai

Nice history lesson M lol.

... that's... interesting...

Anyway I don't watch it anymore.

But you cannot deny that you have actually saw pornography in form of Hentai. No matter what you say, you cannot change this fact. Not now, not later.

The claim of currently or at one time makes no difference in this matter.

I didn't debate that.

Haha, is it just me, or is Jaso trying to shrug off his position of "Ichigo's resident pervert?" XD
I say we don't let him! >:3
Kekekekeke

It's an honorable job Jaso. (Kind of.)
Stay true to yourself Jaso!

Logical induction on your positional claim said it clear as day, though. :mellow: Almost as if you were trying to say "because I don't do it now, means that it is alright". Otherwise you would have "let sleeping dogs lie" as you quoted yourself not too long back.

[/psychoanalization-of-character]

You suck at psychoanalysis then.

Listen, didn't regard Hentai as porn.

Now that I do, I have.

End of.

Haha, is it just me, or is Jaso trying to shrug off his position of "Ichigo's resident pervert?" XD


That's Shadow's occupation though, look at his profile!

Would getting laid stop guys from liking porn?
No. Porn and sexual intercourse are completely different. Porn is entertainment, sex is an expression of passion between humans. The only similarity is the subject matter.

Yeah. Porn is a completely different motive from sex as Gand said. For example, yesterday I had the strong desire to have sex with someone but I did't turn to porn because I couldn't. There are motively seperate.

Dophlin's have sex for recreation, why can't we?

Because we are supposed to be above those primal sort of things, and we have other things to do. dolphins are kind of limited in their constructive and recreational activities >> we aren't.

We're supposed to be above primal sort of things?



Is there some sort of rulebook on what we're supposed to be doing?

Is there a rulebook about sex either?

*Points back to Pornography*

No. Porn and sexual intercourse are completely different. Porn is entertainment, sex is an expression of passion between humans. The only similarity is the subject matter.I think what you're saying is that there is a difference between having sex and making love.


Because we are supposed to be above those primal sort of things, and we have other things to do.What makes you believe in species superiority?


dolphins are kind of limited in their constructive and recreational activities >> we aren't.You have not been to India or China, let alone Africa, have you? What about the slums in your country? Have you ever wondered why poor, impoverished people continue to have children, more children than they can feasibly support?

You were right when you said that dolphins are limited in their activities when compared to us. However, you have overlooked the fact that not all of us have the same access to 'constructive and recreational activities'.

I think what you're saying is that there is a difference between having sex and making love.

No, I think he meant what he said. Even if someone jumps into bed with another random person, having sex with the other person is still saying "Hey, I like you enough to screw you! =^ ^= "

I don't think any *sane* person has sex with someone they don't have *any* friendly feelings for. Whereas porn is entertainment, and only that. You don't wake up in the morning with the porno and go have breakfast with it. XD

I believe our cultures and upbringings make us have to conform to higher standards because we have things we need to accomplish that require our attention and thought. As far as slums and areas of degraded culture they still have thought and morals, every culture has its ups and downs but as a whole we have higher standards.

I don't think any *sane* person has sex with someone they don't have *any* friendly feelings for. Whereas porn is entertainment, and only that. You don't wake up in the morning with the porno and go have breakfast with it. XDI'm not certain if the basis of having sex is a reliable indicator of sanity. I believe there are three main reasons for having sex. Desperation, physical attraction, and emotional feelings.


I believe our cultures and upbringings make us have to conform to higher standards because we have things we need to accomplish that require our attention and thought.Again, you neglect the diversity of our race. You neglect the fact that not all of us belong to the same culture, or had the same upbringing. So tell me, what is this 'higher standard' that you speak of in the context of your culture and upbringing?

Secondly, give me an example of somebody who cannot give full attention and thought to the things that they need to accomplish because they enjoy porn. Also, I bring to your attention that there is a difference between being 100% dedicated and involved to accomplishing things and conforming to this 'higher standard' that you speak of.


As far as slums and areas of degraded culture they still have thought and morals, every culture has its ups and downs but as a whole we have higher standards.I would say that your usage of the words 'degraded culture' to describe slums and similar areas is an indicator of your understanding of our race. You have skirted around the issue that not everybody has the same access to the same activities. You claim that we have 'higher standards' - to whom or to what are you making this comparison?

Nymphomaniacs that are trying to quit? You're overestimating people and their ability to change. And the overall affect of our higher cultures. Haven't you realized that in lower societies more people feel dirty and messed up because of the standards we (as a world) set and less are able to accept themselves. You don't have to be dedicated to something to have it affect your life.

compared to simply surviving. and I didn't say slums are degraded areas of culture. I used both to point out differing levels of morals that are present but not as strong or not as weak. What I was saying is that access to resources doesn't affect us morally, though the fact that it is more easily obtainable in some areas does make the rift bigger between people in those areas. rather than the large grey area in middle class areas, there is a significant black and white based on their different perspectives.

Nymphomaniacs that are trying to quit?Right. Firstly, how many nymphomaniacs are there that are trying to quit? Secondly, how many nymphomaniacs are there that are addicted to pornography instead of sex with another human being? Can you not come up with an example that applies to the general population instead of an obviously skewed sample?


You're overestimating people and their ability to change.What? Just because people are different from you doesn't mean they have changed. I may or may not be overestimating people and their ability to change, but you are completely in denial about people not having similar, let alone identical lives.


And the overall affect of our higher cultures.Do you mean to say that I am overestimating the overall effects of our higher cultures? Please clarify.


Haven't you realized that in lower societies more people feel dirty and messed up because of the standards we (as a world) set and less are able to accept themselves.First off, I don't share your beliefs in 'higher' and 'lower' societies. What is your definition of a 'lower' society?

Secondly, the incidences of mental illness are far higher in first world countries than in developing countries.


You don't have to be dedicated to something to have it affect your life.Of course you don't, but let me remind you that this is in the context of your own words: 'we have things we need to accomplish that require our attention and thought'. I am saying that if you have something that needs to be done, what you need is dedication, not conforming to some obscure 'higher standards' that you cannot define.


compared to simply surviving.What, having recreational sex will affect our chances of survival?


and I didn't say slums are degraded areas of culture.Those were your very own words.


I used both to point out differing levels of morals that are present but not as strong or not as weak. What I was saying is that access to resources doesn't affect us morally, though the fact that it is more easily obtainable in some areas does make the rift bigger between people in those areas. rather than the large grey area in middle class areas, there is a significant black and white based on their different perspectives. Let us revisit your original argument.
Because we are supposed to be above those primal sort of things, and we have other things to do. dolphins are kind of limited in their constructive and recreational activities >> we aren't.If access to resources does not affect us morally, then your premises that we have a wider range of activities than dolphins is irrelevant to the argument. This is what we get after we remove the irrelevant padding:


Because we are supposed to be above those primal sort of things.

And then you attempt to define what constitutes as 'primal' with the difference between 'higher' and 'lower' societies, the standard being 'simply surviving'.

As I said earlier on in this post: Surely you do not mean to say that having recreational sex will affect our chances of survival?

I think what you're saying is that there is a difference between having sex and making love.
There is, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm simply saying that pornography is a form of entertainment, where as making love/having sex is a form of intimacy. Sex can be fun for sure, but I wouldn't categorize it as entertainment. It could be argued that sex with someone you don't care about, such as a prostitute, is a more interactive type of pornography.


dolphins
Let's try to stay on the topic, people. We're discussing pornography.

Sex can be fun for sure, but I wouldn't categorize it as entertainment. It could be argued that sex with someone you don't care about, such as a prostitute, is a more interactive type of pornography.That's what I'm getting across to HanTony. Be it having sex with a prostitute or having sex with a girlfriend/wife, getting laid will not stop guys from liking porn.

http://www.sexaa.org/
There is the site Siul found.
There are more examples of everything in a society where mortality rate is lower and there is more incredulity about personalities... back to porn...

It might get guys to stop liking porn if they're satisfied with what they get to do.

It might get guys to stop liking porn if they're satisfied with what they get to do.

...Couldn't the same be said for anything?


"It might get guys to stop liking basketball if they're satisfied with what they get to do."

"It might get guys to stop liking drinking if they're satisfied with what they get to do."

"It might get guys to stop liking TV if they're satisfied with what they get to do."

"It might get guys to stop liking online forums if they're satisfied with what they get to do."


If your life is a full, happy one, you can easily swap out anything you like for something else you enjoy. So of course you could say the same for porn.

...Couldn't the same be said for anything?

...

If your life is a full, happy one, you can easily swap out anything you like for something else you enjoy. So of course you could say the same for porn.Exactly. Also, just because you're doing something that satisfies you doesn't mean that you have to stop enjoying porn.

So... you'd enjoy porn even if it was just for satisfaction? That's a little messed up...

I guess I should have reworded, they don't have to be satisfied in that sense, but more that they had already done something similar >>

So... you'd enjoy porn even if it was just for satisfaction? That's a little messed up...Why else would people enjoy porn, if it doesn't bring them satisfaction?

As a form of escapism?

I think we went through the nymphomania and doesn't that make it a lot like a drug?

So... you'd enjoy porn even if it was just for satisfaction? That's a little messed up...

lmfao. What else would it be for??? Fucking romance? XD


As a form of escapism?

You mean, like a book? I don't know, I don't think it's that kind of entertainment really. It's more just a physical thing for most people I think...but yeah, it's still a form of entertainment, almost like a book. Which is our point. PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEX CAN STILL READ BOOKS BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.


I think we went through the nymphomania and doesn't that make it a lot like a drug?

Hahah, yeah, because everyone who watches porn is a nymphomaniac. Except wait, 99% percent of the guys I know watch or at one point watched porn, and I wouldn't call *any* of them nymphomaniacs. I do know one nymphomaniac girl though. She sleeps with anybody. I'm not sure whether or not she watches porn though. Shall I ask her if it's like a drug for her? XD

Hopeless we were saying recreational pornography. like besides for er... yeah that.

Wait? What? Maybe you were, but I think everyone else here was talking about porn for...you know, that. ;)

Isn't that what porn is *for?*

I've never seen people sit down and watch a porno together just for "recreation."
Actually, I have, at countless parties. But all my highschool guy and girl friends were frecking weird. XD
And even then, it was more for "lol, boobies!" humor value than "recreation." ;P

Hopeless we were saying recreational pornography. like besides for er... yeah that.Tell us about the difference between 'professional' and 'recreational' pornography.

Not recreational in the sense of making but more recreational in the sense of usage. meaning that it is no longer for satisfaction but watching for some other reason. What I meant to say oh so many posts back was that you'd be willing/want to watch pornography for a reason other than satisfaction. because you said "Exactly. Also, just because you're doing something that satisfies you doesn't mean that you have to stop enjoying porn." which meant that even if it served no purpose you'd still watch it?

Tell us about the difference between 'professional' and 'recreational' pornography.
^haha, isn't it obvious? You don't get paid for wanking to recreational pornos. Duh. XD
Edit: Aw, Toshihiko beat me to it. ;__;
Edit Edit: *Sigh* I'll let Dark answer that one. XP

What I meant to say oh so many posts back was that you'd be willing/want to watch pornography for a reason other than satisfaction. Because you said "Exactly. Also, just because you're doing something that satisfies you doesn't mean that you have to stop enjoying porn." which meant that even if it served no purpose you'd still watch it?Toshihiko, you don't remember what you typed, do you?


It might get guys to stop liking porn if they're satisfied with what they get to do.

What I am saying is, no matter what guys get to do that satisfies them, they will not stop liking porn. Watching porn and doing other satisfying activities are not mutually exclusive.


Not recreational in the sense of making but more recreational in the sense of usage. Meaning that it is no longer for satisfaction but watching for some other reason.I cannot fathom for what other reasons people will stop watching porn if not for the satisfaction. Enlighten me.

No I mad a mistake in the first one, I realized that but didn't bother to change it.
They should stop liking porn if they're satisfied. How many people can say porn plays a large role in their happiness.
"I cannot fathom for what other reasons people will stop watching porn if not for the satisfaction. Enlighten me."
that last part makes no sense. if you're saying that they stop only for satisfaction doesn't that mean you're saying it can only start for satisfaction? because I think we already said that isn't the only reason people do it. That is one of the major problems with pornography.

Toshihiko, I don't think you understand what either Dark Bring or I are saying. :heh:

I think somewhere along the line (where I messed up with that typo) I ended up near to your side, but the thing is dark just said that he sees satisfaction as the reason why it should end, but before he said that sex can be used for things besides satisfaction, so I got turned around and am not sue what I'm arguing against.

No I mad a mistake in the first one, I realized that but didn't bother to change it.The past always comes back to haunt you.



They should stop liking porn if they're satisfied.Satisfied with what?


How many people can say porn plays a large role in their happiness.There is a difference between happiness and satisfaction, and by satisfaction we mean physical pleasure.


"I cannot fathom for what other reasons people will stop watching porn if not for the satisfaction. Enlighten me."
that last part makes no sense. if you're saying that they stop only for satisfaction doesn't that mean you're saying it can only start for satisfaction? I'm saying that people will not stop watching porn because of the physical pleasure that they derive from doing so. ¿Comprende?


because I think we already said that isn't the only reason people do it. No, we haven't. Tell me about the other reasons why people watch porn.


That is one of the major problems with pornography.Exactly *what* is one of the major problems with pornography?

"Also, just because you're doing something that satisfies you doesn't mean that you have to stop enjoying porn."
You already said that happiness and satisfaction aren't linked.
but then you said
"Why else would people enjoy porn, if it doesn't bring them satisfaction?"
So you're playing both sides in saying that we only do if for satisfaction and then saying we do it for other reasons.
Read post 205 & 206 we already said that it might be a problem because besides satisfaction the reasons interfere with life.
One of the main problems is that we do it for the wrong reasons.
Choose a side and stick with it.
And you answered your own question in that post.
"satisfied with what?"
"There is a difference between happiness and satisfaction, and by satisfaction we mean physical pleasure"
I don't think you're being very concrete in your own decisions and statements.

"Also, just because you're doing something that satisfies you doesn't mean that you have to stop enjoying porn."
You already said that happiness and satisfaction aren't linked.
but then you said
"Why else would people enjoy porn, if it doesn't bring them satisfaction?"
So you're playing both sides in saying that we only do if for satisfaction and then saying we do it for other reasons.I am not playing both sides, and I never said that we enjoy porn for other reasons.

The first sentence tells you that if you enjoy porn, and if you also enjoy doing something else, there is no reason why you must stop enjoying porn to enjoy something else. Happiness has got nothing to do with this.

The second sentence is me asking you why do people enjoy porn, because you assert that people enjoy porn for other reasons besides physical pleasure.


Hopeless we were saying recreational pornography. like besides for er... yeah that.


Read post 205 & 206 we already said that it might be a problem because besides satisfaction the reasons interfere with life.There is no basis for those arguments, as HopelessComposer has already clarified in post 207.


One of the main problems is that we do it for the wrong reasons.Exactly *what* is the wrong reason?


Choose a side and stick with it.I am sticking with one side - I do not know how you inferred that I am playing both sides. You, on the other hand, should stop making vague statements and remembering only the posts that you want to remember.


And you answered your own question in that post.
"satisfied with what?"
"There is a difference between happiness and satisfaction, and by satisfaction we mean physical pleasure"What, you mean to say that they should stop liking porn if they are satisfied with physical pleasure? That does not make any sense at all, because they are deriving physical pleasure from watching porn!


I don't think you're being very concrete in your own decisions and statements.Mainly due to your poor comprehension and selective memory.

You said that regardless of whether they are satisfied or not, they will still do it, stop ignoring the fact that you said that. And you said they don't do it for happiness? then what is enjoyment if not a type of happiness. You as well must have asserted in some way that people enjoy it for other reasons. I was the one defending that they do not and should not if already physically satisfied.

He did not disprove it either of them. Comparing it to reading books is just saying it is in fact a source of entertainment to some, and just because it isn't a problem to the whole population in the sense of nymphomaniacs doesn't mean it isn't a problem, that's being pretty callous.

If you're going to degenerate to semantics then the wrong reasons as defined by perspective are anything that would make us regret it at any point in our lives or something we wouldn't do in good conscience.

"What, you mean to say that they should stop liking porn if they are satisfied with physical pleasure? That does not make any sense at all, because they are deriving physical pleasure from watching porn!"
And if you had not dismissed what I said earlier, what if they are already satisfied? You then said that even with satisfaction people will watch pornography, you are therefore asking for a reason or assuming there is a continued use for pornography. there is none if satisfaction is already taken care of. What other reason is there to like porn if someone is satisfied when you are saying that there isn't any in the early part of your post?

"Mainly due to your poor comprehension and selective memory."
or very much due to your own contradictions and the fact that you only post to contradict and not have a permanent stance to defend.

You said that regardless of whether they are satisfied or not, they will still do it, stop ignoring the fact that you said that.Of course they will do it regardless of whether they are satisfied by other activities or not! On the other hand, you should stop ignoring the question that I have been posing to you since seven posts ago - why do people enjoy porn, besides the fact that they derive physical pleasure from it?


And you said they don't do it for happiness? then what is enjoyment if not a type of happiness.I said that they do it for physical pleasure. How do you equate a pleasurable stimulus with an emotion?


You as well must have asserted in some way that people enjoy it for other reasons.It is you who asserted so.


Hopeless we were saying recreational pornography. like besides for er... yeah that.

Quote me on when I asserted that people enjoy porn for other reasons besides deriving physical pleasure.


I was the one defending that they do not and should not if already physically satisfied.As my quote above shows, it was you that asserted that people enjoy pornography for other reasons besides deriving physical pleasure.


He did not disprove it either of them. Comparing it to reading books is just saying it is in fact a source of entertainment to some, and just because it isn't a problem to the whole population in the sense of nymphomaniacs doesn't mean it isn't a problem, that's being pretty callous.Firstly, how is porn a problem because it is a form of escapism, just as reading books is a form of escapism? Is reading not a problem just as porn is?

Secondly, you are the one saying that everybody should stop enjoying porn - and to support your opinion you use the example of nymphomaniacs. Tell me: how many of 'everybody' is a nymphomaniac? Stop using a very small number of particularly dramatic incidences to skew your argument into arguing that the majority of the population should behave in a manner that will only benefit the minority.


If you're going to degenerate to semantics then the wrong reasons as defined by perspective are anything that would make us regret it at any point in our lives or something we wouldn't do in good conscience.THAT COULD BE ANYTHING. Also, define 'good conscience'.


"What, you mean to say that they should stop liking porn if they are satisfied with physical pleasure? That does not make any sense at all, because they are deriving physical pleasure from watching porn!"
And if you had not dismissed what I said earlier, what if they are already satisfied? You then said that even with satisfaction people will watch pornography, you are therefore asking for a reason or assuming there is a continued use for pornography. there is none if satisfaction is already taken care of. What other reason is there to like porn if someone is satisfied when you are saying that there isn't any in the early part of your post?This is hilarious. Let us replace 'satisfying' with 'delicious'. Chicken is delicious, and so is mashed potatoes. Just because you're eating chicken certainly does not mean that you have to give up mashed potatoes! Just because playing basketball is satisfying doesn't mean that you have to give up watching porn! How dull would life be if you only had one way to satisfy yourself? What human would not enjoy a variety of activity to satisfy himself with?


"Mainly due to your poor comprehension and selective memory."
or very much due to your own contradictions and the fact that you only post to contradict and not have a permanent stance to defend.As I said above, quote me on the contradictions. You are only complaining about the latter because you are having difficulty defending your position that I am very aggressively assaulting right now.

That first question was my question too!!!!!
I don't believe that they do, but you said "Also, just because you're doing something that satisfies you doesn't mean that you have to stop enjoying porn." Enjoying means mental acknowledgment of something pleasurable so you must know something I don't there.

I didn't say escapism is the problem I meant nymphomania, just because it's a minor problem doesn't mean it can't escalate into a degradation of our culture. epidemics like ebola and Avian? Or even the trend towards lethargy and obesity.

You are not arguing semantics when I clearly stated "depending on perspective"

"This is hilarious. Let us replace 'satisfying' with 'delicious'. Chicken is delicious, and so is mashed potatoes. Just because you're eating chicken certainly does not mean that you have to give up mashed potatoes! Just because playing basketball is satisfying doesn't mean that you have to give up watching porn! How dull would life be if you only had one way to satisfy yourself? What human would not enjoy a variety of activity to satisfy himself with?"
Once again you say "tastes delicious" which means it appeals to you aesthetically. They also appeal to you in different ways. if you're full of chicken are you going to eat mash potatoes? And if we're talking about physical pleasure as satisfaction how are you satisfied by basketball? Unless you're saying activity is able to quench your pallet. And I did say that if they were satisfied(able to do the things that are subjects of pornography) they would no longer have to do it. Living something won't make it so you don't need porn? Is porn that integral? if so, that's a bit sad.

aggressively assaulting? You're targeting semantics I always thought that was desperation. And I keep pointing to things that contradict bu you don't seem to read them, else you just ignore them.

Edit:it's starting to bother Dom that her boyfriend is consistently the last poster in this thread so I concede (_ _)

Just tell her that you're arguing against porn. I'm going to be sad when this argument ends; I'm finding it very entertaining. :heh:

Well, now really, this thread should go on. Although, it seems the prominent debaters here should say what their stance really is, considering after reading about the last two pages, some may have already overlapped and stated some things that seem to be in agreement with what the person they're arguing against is actually really talking about. So, really, do continue.

There, now I'm the last person to post in the Pornographic Material thread. So it's fine. Really.

No it's okay (_ _)<<<Not mooning

It's not always about physical pleasure, even when i am sexually well satiated i still sometimes look up porn just satisfy the need to see the beauty of the female form.

Yes, gluttony is definitely a sin of mine

That being said i don't really look up hardcore porn, because he focuses on the physical pleasures and not the aesthetics

that'd be the best anime...like an Air Gear thing...with porn... like none of that uncensored ship stuff...but it has a good storyline....good action

Edit:it's starting to bother Dom that her boyfriend is consistently the last poster in this thread so I concede (_ _)No.

NO.

NO!!!!!!

I REFUSE TO ACCEPT YOUR CONCESSION.

I WOULD SOONER CUT MYSELF (http://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-emo.gif) THAN ACCEPT THIS PREMATURE ABORTION OF SUCH AN ENGAGING DISCUSSION.

*Dark Bring has left the thread (to cut himself).

How far can you discuss porn?

As far as anything else? Which would be almost infinitely?

Last post here.
Jaso You're the top poster here why are you asking us?

0_0 I am? 0_0

By 11 posts.

Well thats not a lot...

Haha, thank you Jaso and M for a good laugh. XD

lol pr0n.

Jaso's posts are about 14% of the posts here. That is a lot for a middle sized forum. It's like M with the General chat XD.
Anyway why is it that so much pr0n exists? No one person will ever be able to see it all will they?

There are approx 15 Terrabytes of porn on the web.

As for its existence?


All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

There are approx 15 Terrabytes of porn on the web.

As for its existence?

15 terabytes? phssss I bet torrentspy itself has more than that.

*laughs after checking usenext's alt.erotic directory*

No one person will ever be able to see it all will they?


ahahaha.

unless that person happens to be...

..*stops himself from naming ichigos members*

...?

No it is impossible.

impossible BS
You can watch 4 gigs of movies in 2 hours
(ever watch a DVD?)

There would have to be a quality average, this % hours, and you divide that by X (number of hours a day you will watch porn) and I think you could pull it off in...10 years?

Less?

not even that... longer. include photos and just audio, you are talkng more than 50 years, plus what has accumulated during that time = infinity.

also depends if you mean "see" or "Watch and understand/fap to"

that is if you speed view.

i honestly dont see the point of it accually let alone dont understand why there is soo much of it

Entertainment/arousal, so much because its easy to aquire and use, and its a good business.

hmm interesting

porn industries' booming.