I was just over at the composing section, and I noticed something. Around 80-90% of all the composers are all guys. I don't think Ichigos has an imbalance of guys vs girls, so what do you think is the reason?

Er--girls lack Rosie the Composer?

Just look at a list of composers through history and ask yourself the same question.

Yeah, I've always thought of this. There are so many male composers, and like 4 (that I can think of) female composers. Most female "composers" are "songwriters" (if they even write their own songs).

Ah, and then you look at somewhere like DeviantArt, and you notice that most of the people who draw (in the anime section at least) are girls.

Wierd.

Well, music and visual art are entirely different things.

Anyway, on the subject of music, I think it's probably due to the fact that over the ages, men have had a higher class than women, as women were expected to do housework and such, and it may be that those centuries lacking of female composers still has a strangle-hold on society today. Or maybe women just aren't as into that as men. Who knows.

(This should really be in Music Discussion)

Lol, out of all composers I know, the female composers that I can think of are Hildegard of Bingden (sp?), Clara Schumann and Mozart's sister (who hardly wrote anything). And yeah, it's cos women didn't get the same education as men during and before the romantic era. Some orchestras back then didn't allow women to participate in, so that's why there were so little famous women musician back then.

the main female composers i know are Clara Schumann (mentioned above) and Fanny Mendelssohn. Fanny used to write pieces and publish them under Felix's name because women weren't supposed to do that kinda thing in those times. its the same in literature- think of the Bronte sisters, they used men's names to get books published.

makes you wonder how many composers through history were really men.

*Moves to appropriate forum*

female composer (http://animeacademy.com/profile_kanno_yoko.php) :P

there are some great female japanese composers, Yoko Kanno, Hikaru Nanase, Yuki Kajiura and some more ^^

Why are most composers male?
Why are most musicians male?
Why are most artists male?
Why are most scientists male?
Why are most atheletes male?
Why are most politicians male?
Why, I wonder.

Anyway, on the subject of music, I think it's probably due to the fact that over the ages, men have had a higher class than women, as women were expected to do housework and such, and it may be that those centuries lacking of female composers still has a strangle-hold on society today. Or maybe women just aren't as into that as men. Who knows.




Lol, out of all composers I know, the female composers that I can think of are Hildegard of Bingden (sp?), Clara Schumann and Mozart's sister (who hardly wrote anything). And yeah, it's cos women didn't get the same education as men during and before the romantic era. Some orchestras back then didn't allow women to participate in, so that's why there were so little famous women musician back then.

female composer (http://animeacademy.com/profile_kanno_yoko.php) :P

Whoa! That chick wrote Tank! ?

Why are most composers male?
Why are most musicians male?
Why are most artists male?
Why are most scientists male?
Why are most atheletes male?
Why are most politicians male?
Why, I wonder.

not meaning to sound sexist, but there has to be some element of most women preferring to sit and complain than actually go and become one of these things?

and i dont really know much about science, sport and politics but in the music/art world, when you do get a woman in the professional spectrum, she outshines most of the males.

It's kinda like flute playing. Almost all of them in HS are female....but so many of the professionals (aka good ones) are males, ya?

They've got that one-half IQ point edge over us ;)

Lol, it's odd, but with piano playing the males seem to have the better deck of cards.

Bigger hands, more strength (anyone can play extrememly quiet). Males are prone to play a larger repitoire than females.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are many professional pianists that are females (and one I look up to.. Moura Lympany) it's just so much more common for males to dominate the pianist's world. x_x

hmmm...interesting... well i study music at an all girls school so all my fellow composers are girlsx_x some very good composers....but yea never met a guy composer of this age group until I came to this site!:lol: and find no girls!@_@ surprising surprising:huh: ^.^ yea I think it's just mainly the influence of the past..where women and men just had different roles-_-

But presumably, most of the people who post on ichigos are amature composers so theres nothing preventing the girls from downloading a copy of finale and writing something up. And judging from the what instrument do you play thread (not the first cople of pages, but later), there are plenty of girls at ichigo who play instruments. Maybe they compose, but dont want to share with us

Lol, it's odd, but with piano playing the males seem to have the better deck of cards.

Bigger hands, more strength (anyone can play extrememly quiet). Males are prone to play a larger repitoire than females.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are many professional pianists that are females (and one I look up to.. Moura Lympany) it's just so much more common for males to dominate the pianist's world. x_x

with piano playing, most of the female pianists ive heard only tend to play the virtuosic stuff. im guessing this is because in such a male dominated environment they feel they have a lot to prove. take Argerich for example, fantastic a pianist as she is, always plays stuff at near double tempo- where in certain pieces its just not appropriate.

and more strength doesnt necessarily mean better playing unless you're looking at something like Liszt or Rachmaninoff.

Yeah I've heard some of her stuff when she tends to do that.

But even you said Liszt and good 'ol Rach. Those are two of the biggest virtuostic (that's a word, yes?) composers of all time. Not counting Beethoven and Chopin of course.. possibly Debussy. :heh:

Lol, it's odd, but with piano playing the males seem to have the better deck of cards.

Bigger hands, more strength (anyone can play extrememly quiet). Males are prone to play a larger repitoire than females.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are many professional pianists that are females (and one I look up to.. Moura Lympany) it's just so much more common for males to dominate the pianist's world. x_x

Valentina Lisitsa (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DAb2nI2hVqk). Yea, I've thrown that video around before :] Theres also this very very little girl who is Japanese, and she not only plays with precision but ,something not many under the tender age of 20 can achieve easily, emotion. Watch her. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32gsiqbjbk8)

Sorta off topic, but I think those people are worth knowing if you love the piano.

Just like religious paining, composing was thought to be a mans job, and is still is but more muted. Its the times.

When you guys listen to a piece, do you ever wonder about the gender of the person who wrote it? Does gender come through in a composition? Can it? I don't know, to me, it doesn't matter. The more people who compose, the better. And if it sounds great, then I don't care if it was written or a guy or a girl.

Is it even possible to hear a gender through someone's music? Doesn't make a difference who composes it, really. :\

Actually yeah, you can at times. Only one thing, if the song gets too cheesy you can't tell it easily then. :heh:

EDIT - Just watched 5-6 mins into that video. That little girl very good at that piano Coronation, very indeed. I'll have to check her out. Her strong points in that are definetely the runs (lol, sounds weird) and also legato. I love her interpretation of a stacatto, it's like mine, the modern pianist's stacatto, no a prickly one that my teacher likes. Heh.

And about the Russian. She's very, very, very precise indeed. Though when its the octave and chord switches, I don't always hear those octaves with eveything else; is it marked quieter? But anyway, I'll have to checker more of her out as well.

But anyway, thanks for sharing RD. I'll be sure to look for her recordings and videos here and there.

but behind a successful man, theres a woman ^.<

Speaking of that, wasn't Beethoven like a pimp of the early music era? =/

Kinda, but he never really was with anyone--too... Beethoven.

He had a strong attraction to one of his students, but her family wouldn't let some poor musician take her. Lol. I feel sad for him.

I think it's what the "Moonlite" sonata was inspired and dedicated to.

Lol, don't forget Fur Elise. :P

Ehkghdka Für Elise...
I have heard that song enough times in my life that listening to it makes me decompose.
But I suppose it is nice.