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As you can see, the short passage above is in A-flat, but it doesn't end where it's supposed to-- the ending chord is Gb instead

Is there a specific music theory term for this? It sounds really good, and I'd like to find out more, but the closest I got was something about 'interrupted cadences' (http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory22.htm)

Here's (http://alphatrance.com/0engine/misc/kioku-no-kaze.mp3) how it sounds (a short low-quality sample from the actual song-- no one will object to this, I hope?)

Interrupted Cadence sounds fair... but I would just say it's a change in the chord structure before a modulation.

It's hard to say without looking a few bars after it. All I can see is that it's an interrupted cadence.

Recycling an old thread for another music theory question...

Is there a name for this particular way of ending a piece, on the "wrong" major chord? (for example, ending a composition in C major on an A major chord - see attachments)

http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9443&d=1249928738

I think I've been through the entire "music theory" category of Wikipedia, but again, "interrupted cadence" is as close as I've gotten.

Recycling an old thread for another music theory question...

Is there a name for this particular way of ending a piece, on the "wrong" major chord? (for example, ending a composition in C major on an A major chord - see attachments)

http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9443&d=1249928738

I think I've been through the entire "music theory" category of Wikipedia, but again, "interrupted cadence" is as close as I've gotten.

A piece that's in "C major" ending in A major looks to me more like an A minor piece ending in A major, the parallel major, which is a (from what I know) a baroque device called a Picardy Third (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picardy_third).

But note that I didn't listen to the music you posted...will do that in a minute...

edit: oh yeah, definitely a picardy third. Though this looks like a modal piece in A aeolian (presumably some kind of rock/pop music), the F-G-a gave it away. More classical-oriented music would use V/vi to modulate, instead of the continuous deceptive cadences, me thinks.

Ah, sorry if the example wasn't quite clear... what I had in mind was a piece that's quite firmly in C major throughout, suddenly switching to an A major chord right at the very end. I know about Picardy thirds, I'm not quite sure this would count as one...?

And yes, I've only heard this used in rock / pop songs, can't think of an example right now though.

Very interesting blog, btw :D

Hmm, I'd still say it's a picardy third, but definitely not in such a blatantly baroque-esque context. Check out Mizuki Nana's Crystal Letter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSfsPan9IMk). I think the same thing happens several time in this song. You definitely have a good ear so I won't bother to transcribe and analyze (unless I feel like it later...), but just listen to the bass. It's really easy to hear. The progression is pretty standard fare IV-V-vi-iii-IV-V-iv etc. However, in the cadence before the vocalist comes in you can hear the IV-V-VI, yeah, the parallel major. The fact that the musical figure you posted modulates very abruptly doesn't suggest, at least to me, that there's a more specific technical terminology for it.

I was noodling around on the guitar, trying to hear if it was anything else...I couldn't come up with anything. I don't think it's in some exotic mode. The simplest explanation is that it's a sudden modulation to the parallel major of your relative minor...?

And yes, need more anime music blogs ;)

I don't think it's Picardy though, that's when you finish on the root minor chord, changing the third to major, in this case, it's not the root. It's an interrupted cadence (V of II degree)

That is definitely not a Picardy Third. If anything I'd have to say it ended on VI #3.

thats a nice tune

Umm some don't have names (obviously) and im not sure if this one does...

thats a nice tune

Umm some don't have names (obviously) and im not sure if this one does...

Don't be silly, everything has names :P

Even you and me! ^.^

perfect cadence sounds best to me
this is interrupted cadence, doesn't sound good imo

Why are you guys fixated on naming cadences? Not all endings are easily classified. Many complicated pieces of music do not use set cadences all the time.

I think that the tune in question modulated without a pivot chord, to end on VI #3. It is not a true interrupted cadence, because the chord progression actually sounds complete and final just the way it is.

Why are you guys fixated on naming cadences?

To find other music that uses the same technique?

Well, if it doesn't have a name yet, then I'll put mine on it. ;)

To find other music that uses the same technique?

Well, if it doesn't have a name yet, then I'll put mine on it. ;)

The "Agarrado Cadence" sounds good. ;)

I think it is an straightforward interrupted cadence, V-VId. Definitely not perfect and not Tierce de Picardie. V-VI cadence could be found in Watchet Auf by Bach. (can't give excerpt) This is not a good music theory question because I think there are parallel octaves and fifths, haha!