This Morning Saddam Hussein was executed in Baghdad. His hanging was on television and the video has already appeared on sites like youtube.

I do NOT want anyone posting links to the video (or similar things) in this thread (or anywhere else).

Anyway, what are your feelings on this? Personally, I think it is a good thing he got punished, but I'm against death penalty. It's primitive and barbaric. Even to people like Saddam. Also, it probably won't solve anything, only make things worse with people blowing eachother up in Iraq.

True. But how would you puinsh some one like him?

We already have a thread for this. The tv news has shown everything important exept for the actual hanging.

I, like I have said before, have very mixed feelings about this. Angelic has really opened the door of no death penalty for anyone, which I 100% understand, but he has nothing to contribute to the world anymore, good or bad, and there is nothing other then death penalty that is a big enough punishment for him.

Oh I can't wait for people to start crack pot theories.
It was really a stand in, Saddam now lives comfortably in a palace after letting us believe we won XD
oh wait! bush had him hooked up to machines to read the mind of a terrorist leader and find the leprechaun gold hidden in iraq.

Oh I can't wait for people to start crack pot theories.
It was really a stand in, Saddam now lives comfortably in a palace after letting us believe we won XD
oh wait! bush had him hooked up to machines to read the mind of a terrorist leader and find the leprechaun gold hidden in iraq.

lmao! yes, thats exactly how it happened

i just saw the video. how's it hangin' saddam?

Good ridence to that sad excuse for a human being.

Could have been the neo-Hitler..

I don't really know what to think about it. Though, I agree with Angelic on the death penalty, I don't like it. To some degree, I think it's pretty horrible to have it publicized so much, it's not anything to take lightly.

On a completely random note, I was watching it on BBC world and the newsreader was reading out viewer responses and one was named "Ataru Moroboshi" from the UK....(for those who don't know what I"m talkign about, Ataru is a character from Lum Urusei Yatsura by RUmiko Takahashi, a manga)

Okay, I feel justified, even if I stand alone on this issue. I think it was a terrible thing. Punishment is all fair and well but killing? How is that a punishment? Bang and you're dead. You're hardly suffering from anything. He deserved punishment, not death.

What dessie said! You can't exactly punish someone when they can't feel it well, can't be punished.

He's dead, finally. Even though his death doesn't really solve anything, some Iraqis are happy about it. I am okay with the death penalty, he killed so many people. Letting him live will waste resources.

I predict a series of civil wars in Iraq because of this event between the Anti Saddam Faction and the Supporters Faction

He's dead, finally. Even though his death doesn't really solve anything, some Iraqis are happy about it. I am okay with the death penalty, he killed so many people. Letting him live will waste resources.

In my opinion, you should be ashamed about condoning the death of a fellow human.

[Not just you miem... you are just an example.]

Ironically, Bush killed more people in the Iraq War than Saddam did through his whole reign..... or something like that..... I don't remember exactly.....

To sum it up, everyone (stereotype) hates Saddam, and is happy he's dead.
Everyone (Once again, stereotype) hates Bush, and wants him dead. ..... Well, that's the case at my school. >_>

Course, I don't really care. Life's life, and there's hills and valleys in it. Just go with the flow.

Edited my post because my opinion was stated like a fact. :(

Okay, I feel justified, even if I stand alone on this issue. I think it was a terrible thing. Punishment is all fair and well but killing? How is that a punishment? Bang and you're dead. You're hardly suffering from anything. He deserved punishment, not death.

If you were to torture some one wouldn't that be barberic as well? i think there is no right answer in getting a leader of a country.

THen who would make country decisions?

I predict a series of civil wars in Iraq because of this event between the Anti Saddam Faction and the Supporters Faction

The militarizes from out of state in there were ready for such things from the day before the hanging, though I doubt that will stop any deaths fueled by the execution.

And hasn't the civil war started a few months ago? I remember something on the news about a civil war there. prove me wrong....


I think the people should say what they want in this case, and the majority wanted his death.

Well we saw a few waving guns, so how many more were busy plotting revenge with suicide bombs ect ect.

I should've said "more series of civil wars"
my bad x_x

I'd like to throw out a question. Lets say we were to not to kill Saddam Hussein, what would we do with him? Punishment would be locking him away in prison, or perhaps just containing him on some island away from others. Either way it will seem like he's dead to us if we kept him alive or dead, unless of course we release him and give him a pat on the head, "I hope you've learned your lesson now."

Also in regard to the posts about the publicity of his death, etc. It had to be done, unless you want angry mobs complaining about where he's been which would not be any better for the Government. :mellow:

So you are saying... lets kill him because it makes no difference?

So you are saying... lets kill him because it makes no difference?

I'm not necessarily saying it doesn't make a difference, more along the lines of the impact upon society is a bit better then allowing him to live. :mellow:

Oh, lets kill him because it has an impact on society! If we kill him.. maybe hyper-evil dictators will decide to stop their actions and join hands and sing songs in unison? Unlikely.

Oh, lets kill him because it has an impact on society! If we kill him.. maybe hyper-evil dictators will decide to stop their actions and join hands and sing songs in unison? Unlikely.

You're intelligence in this post is very contributing to the meaning behind mine. Let me make myself more clear, if we do not kill Hussein and put him in prison he will be taking up space (regardless of how much and how insignificant it is). Also citizens of NA and other countries will doubt the US and of course complaints will flood in, protests and other anarchy. If we remove Hussein it will soften the blow towards the Government. :mellow:

What will the complaints be about?

What will the complaints be about?

Some common sense will show that Americans will complain, alot. (considering you might not know about this) Most complaints will be regarding that we went through all the trouble to get him, now were going to let him go? :mellow:

(not trying to be stereotypical about how NAs act fyi)

Why not just life imprisonment?

Why not just life imprisonment?

You don't seem to be following my posts very well. If we leave Hussein in prison anarchy will still fall in. :mellow:

I personally think it's horrible that they release videos of his execution and show it on television and all. Even if he was an arsehole, they could at least treat his last moments alive with some dignity.

I personally think it's horrible that they release videos of his execution and show it on television and all. Even if he was an arsehole, they could at least treat his last moments alive with some dignity.


This was definitely one of numerous mistakes made by the Government, there's a limit to how these things should be dealt with publicly and they crossed the line with some media.

e- I was actually discussing this with some friends, apparently the cost to send and keep someone in Prison is very expensive. So that brings up the point of why pay to keep someone dangerous alive? :mellow:

see - here's the thing. that piece of information (of late Saddam's execution) didn't even make it to the last page in the South Korean news. it's that insignificant.

After all, he's been caught for like 3 years. who cares?

see - here's the thing. that piece of information (of late Saddam's execution) didn't even make it to the last page in the South Korean news. it's that insignificant.

After all, he's been caught for like 3 years. who cares?

It's alot more significant to the people of the US, clearly. :mellow:

I'd like to throw out a question. Lets say we were to not to kill Saddam Hussein, what would we do with him? Punishment would be locking him away in prison, or perhaps just containing him on some island away from others. Either way it will seem like he's dead to us if we kept him alive or dead, unless of course we release him and give him a pat on the head, "I hope you've learned your lesson now."

Also in regard to the posts about the publicity of his death, etc. It had to be done, unless you want angry mobs complaining about where he's been which would not be any better for the Government. :mellow:

Soo... save a few dollars on food and housing and kill him :heh:

Soo... save a few dollars on food and housing and kill him :heh:

It's alot more money than you believe. :mellow:

It's a persons life. It couldn't have been more than the value of a human.

Why not just life imprisonment?

Do you want your tax dollars going to keeping a murderer like Saddam Hussein alive for the rest of his life?

I agree with the Death Penalty, but I certainly don't enjoy watching it on public t.v. However, if it isn't released to public it would create conspiracies, for example: They never really hung him but he is secretly living somewhere.

I think that is what should have happened. Boohoo. You are using 1 cent a day to keep a man alive. Poor you, lets not have a heart attack.

Anyway: None of my family spend tax dollars.

It's alot more money than you believe. :mellow:

I know how much it cost for such things. I have family members that work in jails and such. I think I have said this, but it takes about $4000 dollars just to get someone through the system [finger prints, mug shots, health scan] when they are brought into jail.

Then when the person is in jail, theres the building maintenance [the inmate has to stay somewhere], food, health care, recreation, the paying for social workers and other people.

Its very expensive.

I have heard that they never covered his face during the hanging, so if true that may stop false death conspiracies.

If they never showed the footage to the public, it wouldn't matter

I thought the video was already circulating around the internet.

=_= It is =_=

It is disgusting. I am not even going to watch it.

It's a persons life. It couldn't have been more than the value of a human.

Did you ever think about the lives Hussein took? :mellow:

point made.

so jaso, your saying that a man who killed thousands of women and children should simply be released or imprisonned simply because he was a world leader. it is still counted as an act of murder and so the only thing awaiting those who commit crimes like that is death. an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

But even if they had to kill him, they could have treated his death with a little dignity, as you should treat any dead person with dignity. And about the argument of "Saddam didn't do that either", well, give him the damn example then instead of lowering yourself to his level.

But even if they had to kill him, they could have treated his death with a little dignity, as you should treat any dead person with dignity. And about the argument of "Saddam didn't do that either", well, give him the damn example then instead of lowering yourself to his level.

I disagree.
Did Saddam deserve his dignity as a human being? Of course he did, as all people do. In a perfect world, it should have, and would have been given to him.
However, our world isn't perfect. Saddam murdered a lot of people, and the families of a lot of people. The people left behind without families because of his murderous ways deserved to see him die for some form of closure. Of course, seeing someone die, no matter what they did to you, shouldn't bring you joy; but we're human, and we're dirty disgusting animals at heart. Sad but true.

So what's more important? The dignity of a soon-to-be-dead murderer? Or the happiness of the innocents he's hurt? I'd go with the latter. His dignity would have only done him good for about 10 minutes anyway, until he dropped and snapped his tragic neck.

Also, at your original post Angelic: How is the death penalty anymore "primitive or barbaric" than any other form of punishment? Its more unsightly of course, but I don't see how its any more "primitive" than anything else out there...

Dignity is a privilege that Saddam doesn't deserve.

What gives you the right to say that?

No, I am (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack) wrong. (http://www.american-interrupted.com/pages/video/video_index.htm) He deserves respect and dignity based (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam#1991.E2.80.932003) on his great actions as a leader.

He deserves dignity after his death as a human being.

It's alot more significant to the people of the US, clearly. :mellow:

You missed my point. Did you care even the slighest bit about him, around about 1 year or so after his capture when his trials were all like on hold or something, and until his death was announced? Don't think so. Its just like Osama. We give him the occasional "ah, its him" look when we see him on the TV.

Just another death. No more, no less important than the passing of your neighbour's cousin's flatmate's great uncle.

I think that is what should have happened. Boohoo. You are using 1 cent a day to keep a man alive. Poor you, lets not have a heart attack.

Thats quite a lot for some of us, just because your family doesn't have money troubles, doesn't mean that millions of others don't either. Personally, thats one cent too much for me, I'd rather have that penny go to medical research.

So you are begrudging one cent (not a penny, a cent is actually worth less) to keep a man alive? I think hat is pathetic.

Are you saying you would rather have an innocent person die because the hospital that he went to was deprived of 2,984,442.15 dollars DAILY as a result of saddam hussein being kept alive? I think that is pathetic.

Edit: Btw, a cent is 1 percent of a dollar which is 100 penies. 1 percent of 100 pennies is one penny. I haven't done any background research on the word cent, so do me a favor and don't go off topic by doing a wiki search on the word Cent

So you are begrudging one cent (not a penny, a cent is actually worth less) to keep a man alive? I think hat is pathetic.

Ooooh, good point!


Are you saying you would rather have an innocent person die because the hospital that he went to was deprived of 2,984,442.15 dollars DAILY as a result of saddam hussein being kept alive? I think that is pathetic.


...But wait! Asuka comes out of nowhere to steal the win from underneath Jaso's nose!!!

I'm going to have to agree with Asuka on this one. The money could, and should, be spent in better places.

Are you saying you would rather have an innocent person die because the hospital that he went to was deprived of 2,984,442.15 dollars DAILY as a result of saddam hussein being kept alive? I think that is pathetic.

Edit: Btw, a cent is 1 percent of a dollar which is 100 penies. 1 percent of 100 pennies is one penny. I haven't done any background research on the word cent, so do me a favor and don't go off topic by doing a wiki search on the word Cent

One dollar is a hundred cents. One pound is a hundred pennies. One pound > One dollar.

Therfore I am correct - you are wrong.

And to keep him alive you were paying 0.01 cents a year. If you are afraid of sparing that to a mans life then I worry for your heart.

:lol2:

ok this place is quickly becoming interesting at a pace faster than the speed of single men turning their head as a KTX passes lady wearing skirt at 300km/s

don't worry, you're supposed to get lost somewhere in the above paragraph.

Jaso, Use your head and not Wikipedia mate. Asuka's not annoyed about his tiny piss shit amount of tax, he's annoyed about it being USED on Saddam. There is a very definite difference. Not to mention that Gimpy Americans started coining the term "penny" to mean "cent" as well, screwing up the whole definition.

It's all so funny, Saddam would've laughed his ass off at this thread too.

I paid 0.2 won(like, 0.002 dollars?) or something on electricity bills to look at the clip, which I didn't even bother to watch properly. That was wasteful, damn. Maybe that should've gone to help some sick person stay alive for another 0.01 seconds on his life support.

(I call the one cent coin a in america, a Penny, but fair enough, a cent is less than a penny)

Then you are saying then Jaso, that you would let an innocent person die so that Saddam Hussein could be kept alive? Well hell, as long as it aint you right?

Edit: Oh and Kou, it will go to help some sick person stay alive for another 0.01 second because Saddam is dead! Well, at least if you are taxed on it.

Aw come on Asuka be practical and stop bashing poor wrong Jaso.

Out of that 2million whatever bucks spent to keep Hussie alive, a good chunk of it went to paying guards, employing security etcetcetc which all provided jobs and such. None of it was "wasted"

Actually, I'm sure Saddam would have his own private security building to make sure he was there so nobody could rescue/kill him. And they wouldn't let any bum off the street gaurd him, somebody who ALREADY had a job would gaurd him. Nobody gains anything. Which means even more money to his cause. But nope, he was killed. Which means Little Lucy in the Wheel-Chair gets to live!

Bah. Think Brooooooooooooooooooooad man.

'Liek, Karma'

Otherwise here why don't you go grab this Rifle and shoot down every homeless jobless bum who feeds off the Food Van Programme. Then the money that was spent on the FVP could go help Lucy get a brand new Mercedes Benz Wheel chair!

Meh. I didn't pay half a cent of a penny of a euro to anything that got anything to do with Saddam anyway. Now the money that could've gone to help Johnny live on the life support for another 0.01 seconds instead of me staring into the computer screen's being wasted because you're making me look at Ichigos longer :lol:

Hang on. Asuka? Are you saying that Little Lucy's life is more important than Sadam's life?

Obviously, since saddam is dead and lucy is alive. Are you saying lucy's life is worth less than a dead man's life?

At Kou: Those bum have human rights, Saddam was inhumane, thus not deserving of human rights. Oh but he was still human wasn't he? Alot of good he did as a human. He's better off dead.

I am using the scale you used.

Lucy =:lol: ---- Saddam= :death:
Lucy = :death: ---- Saddam = :lol:

Each is equally important so why would you be happy if one was alive if you knew neither?

That's just not the case Jaso. We aren't talking about Humanity Rights, we are talking about Saddam.

...who is a human.

Obviously, since saddam is dead and lucy is alive. Are you saying lucy's life is worth less than a dead man's life?

At Kou: Those bum have human rights, Saddam was inhumane, thus not deserving of human rights. Oh but he was still human wasn't he? Alot of good he did as a human. He's better off dead.

Thanks to Bush more people died in Iraq than under Saddam's reign.

You said "If you didn't know neither" While that isn't the case. We aren't talking about individual rights of random people. We are talking about Innocent Lucy in a Wheel Chair and Murderous Saddam Hussein.

Edit: At Angelic: How many of those were innocent? If you are going to say that, give me the stats of civilians killed verses terrorists, then of that, how many did AMERICAN ATTACKS kill? How many did the TERRORISTS kill? That is an opinion without facts.

Okay then:

GBush: :lol: = SHussein: :death:
GBush: :death: = SHussein: :lol:

SAme difference. George Bush, "Glorified Hero" of America killed more people in Iraq (by order) than Hussein did [as mentioned above by Angelic]. So... scince George is more of a murderer than Saddam... lets kill the President!

Look at my edit Jaso.

So it is better to kill people who are not innocent than those who are?

And how do you deem people to be "innocent"?

Uhm, the people who don't have guns in their hands trying to kill our american soldiers. I gaurentee you that American Soldiers have never delibrately fired upon Iraqi Civilians. The same can't be said for Saddam.

EDIT: Now hold on, you never replied to my posts about the tax going to saddam. Don't run away from it, either retract your statements and admit you are wrong or continue with it. I am happy to continue the tax money debate as well as this one that we merged into.

Ha! Want to see the footage?

1) Look at my edit

2) I would love to see it, as well as information on how it is a valid video with a valid source. And if this is all good and done, what happened to the soldiers that did this.

Ok.

1) Post everything you have to say at once so you don't have to post again telling me to look at your edit.

2) I will find the video.

Video = http://youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=WpXaVdIopzM
News= http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2530931,00.html

Yes, thats right = They GOT AWAY WITH IT without discredit, dishonour or jail.

Those are british soldiers at a british base in Iraq. What does Bush have to do with that?

:lol2:

okay okay.. I can't bring myself up to look at this anymore.. the humour's getting stale..

Both of you have flawed arguments. That about sums everything up

I agree with Kou. There is no correct answer.

People don't share the same version of morality Jaso. Everyone has varying degrees of how black or white they want to be... And as someone said, people in South Korea have no interest in this, while there is demand for videos of Hussein's execution in Iraq. While I don't think it's necessary to give it this much attention (mass-producing paraphernalia of Hussein's death), the masses will always get what they want.

This is what I think anyway.

0_0... Who are you? 0_0

JASO! lmao! Don't just ignore my posts! Either answer my questions or retract your statements and admit you are wrong.

For gods sake Asuka. How can an opinion be wrong? You are so vain!

My question was: What does a bunch of british soldiers beating up iraqis have to do with American Soldiers? That aint an opinion. You stated American Troops delibrately attacked Iraqi Civilians, yet you show me a clip of British Troops attacking Iraqi Civilians.

I will find American clips then.

EDIT: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YrnBIKykq-o

Hmm... same clip...

Let me investigate further.

People don't share the same version of morality Jaso. Everyone has varying degrees of how black or white they want to be... And as someone said, people in South Korea have no interest in this, while there is demand for videos of Hussein's execution in Iraq. While I don't think it's necessary to give it this much attention (mass-producing paraphernalia of Hussein's death), the masses will always get what they want.

This is what I think anyway.

Well put. Though the reason people have no interest in this in South Korea is because it does not concern them. You are right, the masses will always get what they want because we live in democracy.

For gods sake Asuka. How can an opinion be wrong? You are so vain!

That's a silly statement. If you really believe that, then why have you been arguing with Asuka for the past three pages? ;)

For gods sake Asuka. How can an opinion be wrong? You are so vain!


That's a silly statement. If you really believe that, then why have you been arguing with Asuka for the past three pages? ;)

Jaso, you're not quite cut out to be slinging remarks of that sort and coming off as being sophisticated, yet.

Do I come of as a sophisticated person?

Do I come of as a sophisticated person?

Dark Bring and I just got finished saying that you *didn't.*
That's our point: you shouldn't be throwing out random insults until you can do so with super-style and oodles of finesse! ;D
Otherwise your insults just sound silly and ineffectual, as I pointed out. ^ ^"

Yes, the art of educated and humane insult is a very subtle subject, if you may remember me, M and Dark Bring had quite a time showing RD that

:shifty:


They hung Hussie's cronies today or something. Now that was kinda pointless

Yes, the art of educated and humane insult is a very subtle subject, if you may remember me, M and Dark Bring had quite a time showing RD that

It is indeed a wondrous and mysterious art. XD And of course I remember the RD thing, it was hilarious.



They hung Hussie's cronies today or something. Now that was kinda pointless

Yeahhhh, that's pretty pointless. More of a "fuck you!" than anything else, which is pretty sad. Was that the US government or the Iraqi government who did that do you know?

i found it slightly amusing then boring i got a few laughs meh was ok i guess...

You are crual little girl.

not cruel just apathetic he made no contribution to manknind that is worth noticing or caring about.

There's a long running debate between sunni and shia muslims. The whole story is quite interesting but i dont have time to tell it right now. Either way, its the shia's who are happy saddam is dead and sunni's arent. For one they killed him on the sunni eidand just from the video you can see it was donr more for revenge than anything. Angelics right. More Iraqis have been killed since the start of the war by American than saddam ever did.

the crime he was sentenced for was the killing of 148 people in the village. But it was after an assasination attempt on him. It doesnt make what he did right but you can tell the frame of mind he was in. Because he is human. All humans deserve a second chance. Killing him has only made things worse in Iraq. Ive been against the war and im against the execution.

im not for the war but not against it but nonethe less i dont think he was executed because he was some peachy fellow learn more bout the topic then decide whether it was done for kicks or as punishment ^.~

dont worry i know my stuff. But explain to me then why the chief judges in the trials got sacked twice because they were 'too lenient'. Isnt it the judge who decides that. The american lawyer chosen to represent saddam was thrown out of the court because he said the ttrial was a farce. He said that there was too much american interference and the trial wasnt fair.

I pitty him, I wish he would have gone down in a better way than he did. Whos next now? George w?

He said that there was too much american interference and the trial wasnt fair.

Does it really matter if the trial wasn't fair? The whole world knew what he did; I don't think a fair trial would've saved his pitiable ass. His trial was a waste of time and money in my opinion - two countries following silly protocol to make themselves look better, when the entire planet already knew damned well what was going to become of him.

Does it really matter if the trial wasn't fair? The whole world knew what he did; I don't think a fair trial would've saved his pitiable ass. His trial was a waste of time and money in my opinion - two countries following silly protocol to make themselves look better, when the entire planet already knew damned well what was going to become of him.

ooooh! oooooh! I know the answer to this one :shifty:

Because if the entire world already knew he was guilty, then he should have already been shot, hanged, or imprisoned(if you prefer). There is no sense in setting up a "farce" trial at all. It just makes it look "silly", dumb, and hypocritical.

But yeah. I understood your point. :P The trial was pointless and the matter should have ended long ago. No sense in bringing back the dead. How long has it been since Saddam was caught? 3 years?

Because if the entire world already knew he was guilty, then he should have already been shot, hanged, or imprisoned(if you prefer). There is no sense in setting up a "farce" trial at all. It just makes it look "silly", dumb, and hypocritical.

But yeah. I understood your point. The trial was pointless and the matter should have ended long ago.

haha, exactly. X3

Im not saying he was a bad guy. But to be fair, because of him iraq has flourished. It became rich(sort of) and got in with big countries. You know it was foundout by the CIA that saddam was approached by al Waeda. He shunned them and kicked him out of Iraq. He wasnt all bad

I pitty him, I wish he would have gone down in a better way than he did. Whos next now? George w?

I hope so :o

I hope so :o

lol! To my eye, he did as much crap with everything than Saddam did, but of course those things are shadowed to make the USofA better to everones eyes.

lol! To my eye, he did as much crap with everything than Saddam did, but of course those things are shadowed to make the USofA better to everones eyes.
We need to do as much shadowing as we can; the world hates us enough already. It's tough being the richest, most powerful country in the world. ;)
Also, Bush may have caused a lot of crap in the world, but I think he did it more out of stupidity than hatred, unlike Hussein.

I think Bush is a very clever man to make so many people think that he is stupid.

I think Bush is a very clever man to make so many people think that he is stupid.

Hah, you may be right. Though I consider anybody who would cause so much harm to others for their own gain a "stupid person."
So, yeah. I guess I consider him stupid either way, even if he is a little smarter than most people give him credit for.

Thanks to Bush more people died in Iraq than under Saddam's reign.

Are you sure? I think not.

Iraq War - 52,473
Saddam's Reign if Dignity - over 1.7 million


We need to do as much shadowing as we can; the world hates us enough already. It's tough being the richest, most powerful country in the world. ;)
Also, Bush may have caused a lot of crap in the world, but I think he did it more out of stupidity than hatred, unlike Hussein.

I think Hopeless is right. Even if his actions weren't perfect, I do think he has good intent, unlike Saddam. And at least he tried to something, which is a lot more then many other first world countries tend to do until pressure from either suffering countries, their civilians or other countries [America]

dont worry i know my stuff. But explain to me then why the chief judges in the trials got sacked twice because they were 'too lenient'. Isnt it the judge who decides that. The american lawyer chosen to represent saddam was thrown out of the court because he said the ttrial was a farce. He said that there was too much american interference and the trial wasnt fair.

meh dont mind me its just my ranting mostly due to the fact that he was a lowlife and due to the fact that since i plan and am on track to joining the marinecorps i find him to be the scum of the earth for i dont promote war which he instigated though i do support our troops out there

meh dont mind me its just my ranting mostly due to the fact that he was a lowlife and due to the fact that since i plan and am on track to joining the marinecorps i find him to be the scum of the earth for i dont promote war which he instigated though i do support our troops out there

Dont worry about it. Im a guy who respects other peoples thoughts.:lol:
But i do understand what everyone is saying about him. and due to the fact that you are joining the mareines i can guess why youd hate him so much. but either way there arent any completely pure people in the world. Everyone has a bad side. Just some as bad as others.

Dont worry about it. Im a guy who respects other peoples thoughts.:lol:
But i do understand what everyone is saying about him. and due to the fact that you are joining the mareines i can guess why youd hate him so much. but either way there arent any completely pure people in the world. Everyone has a bad side. Just some as bad as others.

yeah i can understand you but most of us dont go commiting inhuman acts against our fellow country men and this isnt the marine thing its just my personal morals the guys a douche and got what he deserved.

They probably should have kept him alive for a little longer though, he could have helped out a bit...

hmmm What do you mean by "help a bit"?

... is that the only reason to keep him alive?

0_0 Shallow... simply shallow... 0_0

We shouldn't have killed him full stop.

As a side note...

A sep 2005 newbie??? @_@@_@@_@

Posting in 2007!?! @_@@_@@_@@_@@_@

@^: Do you think there is ANY reason to keep Sadam alive at all? If so please list ones that are NOT shallow.

The term "new member" doesn't nessisairly mean newbie. Some people have other things to do than post of forums all the time.

So jaso, where is that video of american soldiers attacking civilians that you're looking for?

He had it coming. But death is just too kind, it takes away all the pain, all the guilt. They could have let him live and reflect on all his bad actions rendering him really depressed...That is if he has a conscience. :torch:

So jaso, where is that video of american soldiers attacking civilians that you're looking for?

Jaso is just balbering on like most of the people who are anti-anything-for-the-heck-of-going-with-the-flow.

I doubt the greater majority of people in their right mind would go into a country in this time of the world, without knowing anything about the people, land and possibly history, and just let lose and kill thousands of civilians.

There, how ever, people who do suicide bombings, crash planes into buildings and tell someone to launch a biological weapon onto a city for the heck of genocide. Sadly, that isn't the American army. If you freeken hate whats going out there, drag your own sorry ass or at least your own damn countries army out there to try and restore peace.

Lol, why drag an allied army out when they are there to keep peace? By taking out Allied armies, more destruction will break out, and then another 9/11 will happen. By hanging Saddam, we showed the terrorist that we can be as mercyless(sp?) as they are. By his hanging, we are starting to put a stop in their will to fight us.

Haha, Asuka, you really are a dope. Iraq court hung Saddam, not America. Don't speak as if "we" did it, we didn't. They did it, and are causing "us" more shit.

Lol, why drag an allied army out when they are there to keep peace?I'm not sure if the allied army is doing more harm then good. Or making more war than peace.


By taking out Allied armies, more destruction will break out, and then another 9/11 will happen.Might as well make it short and quick then. Nuclear weapon launched detected.



By hanging Saddam, we showed the terrorist that we can be as merciless as they are. By his hanging, we are starting to put a stop in their will to fight us.I don't think being merciless has got anything to do with stopping terrorism.

Well are we talking allied army or the US allied army XD cause it seems like despite other countries' prerogatives we stay and fight. A lot of their aggression is out because of our interference. I think they got that we were merciless when we threatened to kill thousands of Somalians to get one soldier back. It wasn't us, so we're just showing that we have no control of the third world countries and no ability to enforce peace without force.

Ideals are hard to get rid of my dear friends.

Sure you killed Saddam, but whats to stop another one to rise in his place?

Err, just prevent it? lol.

If the country develops enough, then I'm sure they can govern them self and make sure that no crazy ass will try and rule the planet.

If the country develops enough, then I'm sure they can govern them self and make sure that no crazy ass will try and rule the planet.I don't think we have such a country yet.

So we should stop trying to get one?

I don't think so.

So we should stop trying to get one?

I don't think so.I don't think that Iraq is the best place to start.

Err, just prevent it? lol.

If the country develops enough, then I'm sure they can govern them self and make sure that no crazy ass will try and rule the planet.

You mean Bush?

Lol angelic, what would you do if you were bush? The twin towers just got destroyed by terrorist attacks. What would you do? Could you do a better job than bush had done? Please, enlighten us about what you would do.

Well, first off, Saddam Husain isn't really related to the Twin Towers. That's Osama Bin Ladin's doing ( =0 I said the name that hasn't been mentioned in the news for 7 months). I just so happens that Saddam was there, and Bush was paranoid over terrorism; pulling the "America is the world's cop" logic.

I'm not saying that I would have done anything better, I'm not saying that the Invasion (yes, this is the correct word) was not necessary, and I'm also not saying that the Terrorism group over in Iraq should have been left alone, because it shouldn't. But, by looking at the facts, Bush made a possibly false claim against Iraq and invaded without solid evidence. After all was said and done, the claim could not be supported. That's just bad.


To bring this a little closer to what our realities can imagine:

It's kinda like a cop bursting into your room saying you have cocaine on you, cuffing you, reading your rights, throwing you into jail, wait until you rot while picking apart your home, and then say that "Oh there was no cocaine."

Do not forget that it was Clinton who issued Operation Desert-Fox in 1998. We didn't invade out of the blue because some bum in california gave the government a tip that Iraq was devolping nuclear weapons. And ontop of that, Saddam Hussein was allied with the al-Qaeda. It would be ignorant to not invade Iraq.

Lol angelic, what would you do if you were bush? The twin towers just got destroyed by terrorist attacks. What would you do? I'm sure you could do a WAAAAY better job than bush had done, so please, enlighten us about what you would do.Kids, this goes to show that if you cannot master your emotions, your emotions will master you.

Also,
9/11 = Osama Bin Laden = Afghanistan
'Weapons of Mass Destruction' = Saddam Hussein = Iraq

Do not forget that it was Clinton who issued Operation Desert-Fox in 1998. We didn't invade out of the blue because some bum in california gave the government a tip that Iraq was devolping nuclear weapons. And ontop of that, Saddam Hussein was allied with the al-Qaeda. It would be ignorant to not invade Iraq.

And don't forget that it was George H. W. Bush that started the whole Iraq thing with the Gulf War, Desert Storm. George W. Bush just decided to finish Daddy's job.

You two are only proving my point. Everything is linked, you can't blame Bush for anything.

You two are only proving my point. Everything is linked, you can't blame Bush for anything.Do illustrate to us how we are proving your point.

Also,
9/11 = Osama Bin Laden = Afghanistan
'Weapons of Mass Destruction' = Saddam Hussein = Iraq



And ontop of that, Saddam Hussein was allied with the al-Qaeda.



And don't forget that it was George H. W. Bush that started the whole Iraq thing with the Gulf War, Desert Storm. George W. Bush just decided to finish Daddy's job.


Do not forget that it was Clinton who issued Operation Desert-Fox in 1998.

My whole point was that Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam was allied to al-qaede, and that Bush didn't just out of the blue invade, the war had been going on for a while.

My whole point was that Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam was allied to al-qaede
'Weapons of Mass Destruction' = Saddam Hussein = IraqLet's have some source for that.


... and that Bush didn't just out of the blue invade, the war had been going on for a while.You originally asserted that Bush invaded Iraq in response to the 9/11 events, and now you claim that it is merely the next inevitable episode of a prolonged campaign. If Iraq was inevitable then Bush will have to invade Iraq regardless of 9/11 or not.

My whole point was that Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam was allied to al-qaede, and that Bush didn't just out of the blue invade, the war had been going on for a while.

Saddam has always denied working together with Al-Qaeda, but hey, you also believe in those non-existant WMD's so I guess talking to you isn't really gonna do anything anyway. Now go continue to kiss Bush's behind and stop trying to be smart.

Get over it. Were either getting another Clinton or Obama in '08.

Not that thrilled over Hillary x_x

To answer the question before, I don't think Iraq is the best place to make Eden too. But at least someone is trying to fix the goddamn place.

And I doubt Bush is trying to take over the world. I don't see any bills being passed to let his presidency last to 2480.


U.S. officials continued to accuse Saddam of violating the terms of the Gulf War's cease fire, by developing weapons of mass destruction and other banned weaponry, and violating the UN-imposed sanctions and "no-fly zones." Isolated military strikes by U.S. and British forces continued on Iraq sporadically, the largest being Operation Desert Fox in 1998. Western charges of Iraqi resistance to UN access to suspected weapons were the pretext for crises between 1997 and 1998, culminating in intensive U.S. and British missile strikes on Iraq, December 16-19, 1998. After two years of intermittent activity, U.S. and British warplanes struck harder at sites near Baghdad in February, 2001.

There was still a chance he was still developing or hiding them in secret. And we all know what happens when he gets his hands on almost any weapons, right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack)

Get over it. Were either getting another Clinton or Obama in '08.

Not that thrilled over Hillary x_x

To answer the question before, I don't think Iraq is the best place to make Eden too. But at least someone is trying to fix the goddamn place.

And I doubt Bush is trying to take over the world. I don't see any bills being passed to let his presidency last to 2480.



There was still a chance he was still developing or hiding them in secret. And we all know what happens when he gets his hands on almost any weapons, right? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack)

Bush's fixing is doing more bad than it's doing good. Iraq was most likely a much better place to live until the Americans came. Okay, so Saddam was an arsehole, but at least people didn't get blown up from just walking down a street.

And the US had NO evidence whatsoever that Hussein was creating WMD's.

Of course we had evidence. Bush said their were. That's enough isn't it?

Let's have some source for that.

You originally asserted that Bush invaded Iraq in response to the 9/11 events, and now you claim that it is merely the next inevitable episode of a prolonged campaign. If Iraq was inevitable then Bush will have to invade Iraq regardless of 9/11 or not.

1) http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp?pg=1 Please read both pages, this article gives very good quotes. I especially like it because it is not bias and it shows both sides of the story. This article shows more than enough information to raise a question on al-qaeda and Saddam relations. Also, pay particular attention on the second page to the "WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T USE" and "WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS LEARNED SINCE THE WAR" If you have any questions on the liability of this website, prove the website wrong first, with sources. Don't just say it isn't liable without reason.

I never claimed it was the next inevitable episode of a prolonged campaign. I stated that the war had been going on a while, and it wasn't out of the blue for bush to invade. America would not have invaded afganistan and later iraq if osama had not made it personal by attacking american soil. America invaded because an act of war was beseiged upon them. The UN would have continued bombings and the prevention of them being able to make WMDs with or without 9/11.


Saddam has always denied working together with Al-Qaeda, but hey, you also believe in those non-existant WMD's so I guess talking to you isn't really gonna do anything anyway. Now go continue to kiss Bush's behind and stop trying to be smart.

1) Okay, well alot of guilty murderers also pleaded innocent in their trial, now didn't they?
2)Please, stop putting words in my mouth. Look over everything I've posted and tell me that I have stated that Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction. The only thing even close to that was "We didn't invade out of the blue because some bum in california gave the government a tip that Iraq was devolping nuclear weapons." And note, I said DEVELOPING. Very key, If Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, we would all have known a long time ago, because they would have used them.
3)You never replied to my first post on this subject, it wasn't trying to flame you, it was actually a question. I truly would like to know "Lol angelic, what would you do if you were bush? The twin towers just got destroyed by terrorist attacks. What would you do? Could you have done a better job than bush had done? Please, enlighten us about what you would do."

(EDIT: I would like to include though, that my last quote does sound rather sassy, and I apologize, if I post another one like this, please do give me a warning so I can straighten myself up. I'll edit this one real quick)

You never replied to my first post on this subject, it wasn't trying to flame you, it was actually a question. I truly would like to know "Lol angelic, what would you do if you were bush? The twin towers just got destroyed by terrorist attacks. What would you do? I'm sure you could do a WAAAAY better job than bush had done, so please, enlighten us about what you would do.

Heh, I'd like to see this answered also. I've seen a lot of "OMFG BUSH IS SO STUPID WTH IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!?!??!" crap flying around since our miserable war started; it'd be interesting to hear what these people would have done. :3

I especially like it because it is not bias and it shows both sides of the story.

"Showing both sides of the story" does not make a source unbiased. Furthermore, a lack of bias does not make a source correct. Remember that this source is 3 1/2 years old. A lot has happened since then, including admissions from inside the Bush Administration itself that the WMDs were simply a way to illegitimately justify war to the nation.

As for the quote against Angelic (wait, I'm defending Angelic? Since when did that happen? o_O), I like the quote that a dormmate said: "When we say 'Bush is stupid,' we don't mean he's stupid compared to you and me. We mean he's not smart enough to be President." I'd bet that Bush is doing a better job than any of us would in that position; however, he's not doing as well as some previous presidents might have been able to. And we're still free to criticize his actions, even if we can't do better. After all, "you don't have to know how to cook to know when something tastes bad."

Bush's fixing is doing more bad than it's doing good. Iraq was most likely a much better place to live until the Americans came. Okay, so Saddam was an arsehole, but at least people didn't get blown up from just walking down a street.

And the US had NO evidence whatsoever that Hussein was creating WMD's.

"Iraq was invaded in March 2003 by a United States-organized coalition with the stated reasons that Iraq had not abandoned its nuclear and chemical weapons development program according to United Nations resolution 687."

Vague be meh. I do agree with you about the WMD statement, but not to your extent.

But I don't think they are doing more wrong then good. I still find that car bombings would still happen and would have still happened even if America didn't invade. But this is something I still need to look into, the car bombings that is.

And there was also nothing stopping Saddam from escalating his crazy-ness.

1) 3)You never replied to my first post on this subject, it wasn't trying to flame you, it was actually a question. I truly would like to know "Lol angelic, what would you do if you were bush? The twin towers just got destroyed by terrorist attacks. What would you do? Could you have done a better job than bush had done? Please, enlighten us about what you would do."


Have you ever thought of the fact that those terrorists hate America so much BECAUSE the US always sticks its nose in everyone's business? First America gives weapons to poor countries to fight their wars, then they consider the country a danger and invade it. No wonder those people are fucking pissed. Had I been Bush, I would have made sure the US would be less of an annoyance to the world instead of more like now.

Had I been Bush, I would have made sure the US would be less of an annoyance to the world instead of more like now.

So you wouldn't have gone to war then? Would you have apologized to the terrorists for running an annoying country instead?

"Terrorists, we are very embarrassed that you found us so annoying that you felt the need to bomb the world trade center. Please accept our sincerest apologies; from now on, we'll make sure to be less of a nuisance."

I'm sure that would've gone over well. XD

So you wouldn't have gone to war then? Would you have apologized to the terrorists for running an annoying country instead?

"Terrorists, we are very embarrassed that you found us so annoying that you felt the need to bomb the world trade center. Please accept our sincerest apologies; from now on, we'll make sure to be less of a nuisance."

I'm sure that would've gone over well. XD

Well, maybe I would have. I mean, it's action-reaction you know? As soon as someone stops reacting eventually the other party will also stop. Of course, Americans wouldn't understand this logic, violence is the only answer they know.

Yes, a bunch of barbarians, we Americans. But that's how we got so rich and such, ya'know? If we were polite enough to say, let our colonies kick our asses and then form their own countries, we wouldn't be as powerful as we are today. ^_^

Ahhhhhhhhh, I'm a bastard, but w/e. XD
Anyway, I was really only playing devil's advocate and being a jackass. Honestly, I agree with your answer; if I were bush, I would've simply sealed our borders nice and tight, tried to have made peace with everybody, and gathered massive amounts of intelligence. It probably wouldn't have been a perfect solution, but I think it would have worked out much better than this retarded war we're quagmired in right now.

And is quagmired even a word? XD

Have you ever thought of the fact that those terrorists hate America so much BECAUSE the US always sticks its nose in everyone's business?

Interesting theory, except I'd wager that most Americans hadn't even HEARD of Afghanistan before 9/11. You gotta know a country exists before you can stick your nose in its business.

And as for the US being the one doing that, I wonder where that came from? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire)


Well, maybe I would have. I mean, it's action-reaction you know? As soon as someone stops reacting eventually the other party will also stop. Of course, Americans wouldn't understand this logic, violence is the only answer they know.

I'm not so sure you would have been able to break out of the action-reaction cycle. I mean, you're stuck in one right here, right now ;)


Please accept our sincerest apologies
HopelessComposer, are you able to imagine Angelic saying that? I sure can't xD

"Showing both sides of the story" does not make a source unbiased. Furthermore, a lack of bias does not make a source correct. Remember that this source is 3 1/2 years old. A lot has happened since then, including admissions from inside the Bush Administration itself that the WMDs were simply a way to illegitimately justify war to the nation.

As for the quote against Angelic (wait, I'm defending Angelic? Since when did that happen? o_O), I like the quote that a dormmate said: "When we say 'Bush is stupid,' we don't mean he's stupid compared to you and me. We mean he's not smart enough to be President." I'd bet that Bush is doing a better job than any of us would in that position; however, he's not doing as well as some previous presidents might have been able to. And we're still free to criticize his actions, even if we can't do better. After all, "you don't have to know how to cook to know when something tastes bad."

I can't say that I don't agree with everything you posted. The first paragraph is all good and dandy, as for the second paragraph, I never really looked at it that. Thanks for sharing that, it opened my eyes abit.

And @ Angelic, good points, but, if we had never pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, wouldn't that mean that one of our great oil supplies would be diminished? (grant it, I haven't done very much research on this, so please do correct me if I'm wrong) So, if we would have never pushed Iraq out of Kuwait (which was on of the major starting conflicts to lead us to this war) then our oil supply would be low and with Iraq able to make so much money with the oil, they may be able to become a rather powerful extremist country. (Again, please correct me if I'm wrong at any of these points, I'm trying to be as open minded as possible and make my posts more discussional and less aggresive.)

Kuwait isn't the only oil producing country, and Iraq already exported oil (oil for food programme) anyway. But Kuwait is different, it was an actual invasion from Iraq into another country. However, Israel gets away with it, which is unfair I'd say.

I don't mind the US butting in when a country attacks another country (hell, if they hadn't we'd be adoring this guy (http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/10070/c14a4ce0/index.html) in Europe), but they shouldn't invade countries themselves because they have a different way of living than the average American does. Not everybody eats hamburgers, watches TV all day and is Christian. I say live with that.

Not everybody eats hamburgers, watches TV all day and is Christian. I say live with that.

You obviously haven't had a real American hamburger. Otherwise you'd understand our confusion and rage towards these third world countries. ;D

And in case you *have* had an American hamburger, and just don't like them somehow, I've already arranged a small troop of 50 friends or so to invade your house on my word. We have paintball guns! Kekekekeke! :hunter:

and:

but they shouldn't invade countries themselves because they have a different way of living than the average American does.
Come on, you know America didn't invade Iraq (or any other country) because we wanted to help it's people. If that were the case, I think we'd have Africa as one big colony right now. :rolleyes:

;)

Thank you for being such a jackass. You've now officially killed this topic.