Wii, PS3 or Xbox360? What do you think? Which of them do you think it's the best one? I wanna know your opinion.

Wii Cause the PS3 co$t to much, and the XBox360 is well..It just sucks. The Wii is AWSOME. Yes I'm a nintendo fan. :)

The Wii... Most definetely... My older bro has the PS3, but... eh... just trying to get started is DIFFICULT! since you have to do a lot of stuff (set-up the clock, choose language, log-in as a user, etc.)...Unlike the Wii where you just turn the system on and choose where you want to go. Easy navigation... =P

Wii for me. I'm a Nintendo Freak. Whoohoo. But some PS2 games are still pretty good. Pretty much the only reason why PS3 is going to be so good is the graphics (not worth it.....) and the excessive amounts of sequels to all the really good games. Wii's completely revolutionary, and has high expectations and potential.

The reason i just plain hate the Xbox is because there aren't any good RPGs! Yes... i am a RPG freak... <.< I'd have to say that PS3 owns them all in RPGs....

I'm going to have to say Wii.

I own both a Wii and an Xbox 360 and I just have to say that Wii blows Xbox 360 out of the water.

And XBox 360 was so frickin bugged when it first came out it wasn't even funny..... *Watches one randomly explode and set the house on fire* >_>

Most here say Wii (as do I) but giving the reason that it's "revolutionary" contrary to to PS3's graphics and 'excessive sequels to really good games' as tkd said above, is that a smart reason to choose Wii? 'Revolution' for sure cannot hold its own against an excessive line of great games, now with even better graphics.

Many games are also released both for PS3 and 360, and not Wii. This concerns me a little.

I think it's because of the wii's gameplay. With the way some of the games are played for the xbox360 and ps3, it would probably be too time consuming and/or mind numbing to change the gameplay to match the wii. Also, maybe it's the audience of the wii. I mean, the wii isn't exactly a mature audience magnet so maybe that's part of it too. To sum it up really, unlike before w/ the gamecube, xbox and playstation 2, the wii is now a totally different system w/ new gameplay controls so maybe it won't transfer well from the xbox360 and ps3.

Well, I am a Nintendo fan as well. If someone gives me a PS3 or a Xbox 360, I won't refuse it, but I really DO preffer Wii.

Most here say Wii (as do I) but giving the reason that it's "revolutionary" contrary to to PS3's graphics and 'excessive sequels to really good games' as tkd said above, is that a smart reason to choose Wii? 'Revolution' for sure cannot hold its own against an excessive line of great games, now with even better graphics.

Many games are also released both for PS3 and 360, and not Wii. This concerns me a little.

Wii is a revolution, but it is so in addition to (NOT instead of) carrying over Nintendo's own line of great games (SSBB, Zelda, Mario, and perhaps third-party Castlevania and Resident Evil). If you look at it that way, then Wii's revolution is pitted solely against PS3's graphics. Even if the revolution loses steam, the Wii has (and will continue to have) strong traditional titles to fall back on.

As for PS3/360 releases, wouldn't that mean that the PS3 and the 360 are competing for the same niche, whereas the Wii has found its own? Put another way, there would be better reason to buy a PS3 + a Wii or a 360 + a Wii than a PS3 + a 360.

Oh, and let's set the speculation aside and take a look at the actual market.
eBay resellers sell Wiis for 50% ($125) above retail.
eBay resellers sell PS3s for 20% ($100) above retail.
There are more Wiis than PS3s on the market.
Clearly, the demand for Wiis is much greater than the demand for PS3s.
Novelty? I think not. PS3s were originally resold for much more at launch than Wiis were. So why did the PS3 resell price decrease so much faster than the Wii's? Evidently consumers found the PS3 to be not worth the hype.

Wii still follows the age ol' Nintendo philosophy of "a console's just a gaming machine". Since matching up with PS3 and Xbox360 in terms of graphics and etc is pointless (and besides, Gamecube lost at that), Nintendo approached a slightly different tactic - to aim for the light users, those who aren't familiar to gaming world. Introduce them to it, while doing best to keep the mania as well. Expand the market.

PS3 and Xbox360 are locked in a head on fight on the other side, the "flashy graphics and complex gameplay that appeal to a currently gaming 'hardcore' players" market. Winner here's obviously PS3.. Even if Blu-ray fails as the next generation storage media device, There's just way too much momentum leftover from PS2.

And so if you got the cash, the general advice is: Get a Wii or PS3 depending on your play style. Each will have its great lineup of games while 360 dies with nothing but FPS for amerikan bums and "Porn or Alive Extreme Bitch Volleyball"

As for the PS3 price issue (about its default high price and the initial premium auction crap) well.. PS3 had a crap software lineup. They hoped that the reverse compatibility would hold until the decent games came out. Mindless merchants who don't know jack about gaming market just tried to stock up and resell, and quickly found out their IQ is below room temparature. As for its price.. hell hardware wise is by far the best machine out there. Sony's selling the console for a rough 30% LOSS. Blame it on the blu ray diode, its firggin' hard to mass produce and expensive as hell.

WHICH MAY go to blu-ray losing to HD-DVD's as the next gen. storage device, in which case PS3 would have a harder time against 360 since it won't get the support of other media such as movies (like DVD did to help PS2 against GC)

It's like.. everything hangs on that - blu ray vs HD-DVD. If blu ray becomes generalised, it'll be a landslide PS3 victory. Otherwise.. well PS3 would still be the SNES, out of SNES vs Megadrive.


Rather less related to my post but more related to the topic, I have a PS3 sitting in my luggage waiting to be opened when I get back to NZ :mellow:

I'm almost sure that the gaming industry will be lead by Sony's PS3, just as it did with PS2. I do however think that Wii will do good (economically, for Nintendo) but that's not the point. It was merely that when Zelda, Mario and SSBB are released, Wii-owners aren't as future-proof as PS3 owners are. Here are the reasons, which I think is the cause:

1) If the PS3 will be anything like the PS2, great games will be lining up to the very end (which is a decade from now according to Sony themselves)
2) PS3's bluray player and excellent graphics.
3) Something I'll think of later.

Of course, these are just speculations.

I was under the impression that Ikaruga and Mega Man: Network Transmission were among the most difficult games of the last generation of consoles.

Anyhow, I wouldn't count the 360 out just yet, considering that you could get a Wii and a 360 for the price of the PS3. After all, if there are two gaming niches, why not get both for the price of one?

And as for being "future-proof," your claim is that the PS3 will continue to get great games that you can continue to buy over the next several years. However, Wii's "future-proof" feature is that Wii has (or will have in the near future) great games that you can buy once and that will last you over the next several years. When FFXIII comes out, people will buy it, finish it, get all the extras, then move on. When SSBB comes out (provided it lives up to people's expectations), people will buy it, grab all their friends, and then become absorbed in it for the next 4 years. Perhaps this isn't as good from the companies' standpoint, but it certainly is good from the consumer's standpoint.

Wii ftw.

The 360 is a good system.
The ps3 is also going to be great, but it's overpriced.

Neither the ps3 or the 360 will have many exclusive games on them, because of the ridiculous cost of developing for those two consoles. I think Wii will have the most exclusive titles because of this. Which means many people will get a 360 or ps3, and then the Wii as a second console. I see the Wii leading sales because of the above stated.

That is of course, as long as Nintendo keeps the Wii's steam going, and does nothing to screw themselves over. ;)

I'm going to be playing all three of them anyway, so it doesn't really matter to me I suppose...

Just gotta wait for SSBB, FFXIII and Halo3 to come out and then see who's sales are leading, :lol:

Most of this is going on about the Japanese market, because honestly.. its a good deal bigger than the 'rest of the world' market. And hell of a lot more important.

Everyone's going about the developing cost for PS3 and how that's going to send developers to releases games on both 360 and PS3, BUT that's almost exclusive to the Nothern American market. and that doesn't interest the MAINSTEAM Japanese makers, since Xbox (and 360) has like.. 2% market share in the Japanese industry(Let alone the money that's involved there, making a hit game at home is important symbolically). PS3 already outsold 360 in total sales there (like 1 million to 270 grand.. and 360 came out almost a year earlier)

And so the occasional Konami (they announced winning eleven for 360 as well I think..) MAY cross release their games(which they THINK will appeal heavily to N.American users), but its definite that all the truly good ones will stay with PS3 exclusive. Not to mention the prestige Sony would offer to have such games stay exclusive..

Wii is totally different in character and those two really can't directly compete against each other. But then seeing as how (again) the launch titles appeal to the kids (Zelda is a great game and yes myself spent like 500 hours playing the series, but then you gotta admit the game as a whole appeals more to the younger generation then... say Metal Gear Solid)

It'll probably be the minor console in the Japanese market while it could match up PS3 evenly worldwide.

360, while having a dominant share in its home base, still sold less than PS2. And those PS2 customers are more likely to be potential PS3 customers than 360 customers. It DOES have a slight chance however, if HD-DVD beats blu-ray (as I've repeated in my post before) as then the worldwide market would think twice about buying a PS3 - GTA comes out for both 360 and PS3, but one can play new movies on your home theatre while the other's just a flashy game console. But all this would achieve is to get 360 to "manage to put up a fight" against PS3. Really, if you aren't american and you don't like FPS and you don't like Microsoft but you got an xbox360, wtf?

And so again.. you likes your FFXIII and DMC4, you pays your high price and takes home high class entertainment. You likes gameplay more than the fancy packaging, or you has no money, go buy a wii and go "wee~~"

Most of this is going on about the Japanese market, because honestly.. its a good deal bigger than the 'rest of the world' market. And hell of a lot more important.

Did someone forget to take elementary macroeconomics? :mellow:

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=8498&page=2

Japan may get first dibs, but the US is by far the primary source of revenue.

Japan may get first dibs, but the US is by far the primary source of revenue.

:mellow: seriously. too narrow sighted.

I can't be bothered to elaborate the absolute difference in two markets, but the above statement is like saying..

"UK is a bigger and stronger country because a pound's worth more than a US dollar"


seriously, think a little deeper, and NOT from an American's point of view.

:mellow: seriously. too narrow sighted.

I can't be bothered to elaborate the absolute difference in two markets, but the above statement is like saying..

"UK is a bigger and stronger country because a pound's worth more than a US dollar"


seriously, think a little deeper, and NOT from an American's point of view.

I challenge that as a groundless claim made for US-bashing and asserting intellectual superiority. Explain yourself.

EDIT: While I'm waiting, I'll attack this claim:

Everyone's going about the developing cost for PS3 and how that's going to send developers to releases games on both 360 and PS3, BUT that's almost exclusive to the Nothern American market. and that doesn't interest the MAINSTEAM Japanese makers, since Xbox (and 360) has like.. 2% market share in the Japanese industry(Let alone the money that's involved there, making a hit game at home is important symbolically).
http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/NAMCO_360_RPG__Virtua_Fighter_5__The_House_of_the_ Dead_4_9201_4818_0.htm
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6147242.html

And exactly how many ways are there to interpret the claim that the Japanese market is "bigger" than the US market?

Sorry Kou, but Tanonev is absolutely correct ;)
I've read about this before too, and the US totally dominates the Japanese market, both in units sold, and in pure profit. I know this because I once said the same thing you just did to a friend, and he gave me like 500 sources proving me wrong. XD
That's why many Japanese games are being tailored towards a US audience nowadays. The latest Zelda, for example, was made totally for American tastes, according to Nintendo...

If you refuse to see beyond what's right on your face and the immediate news (thats pretty much only obtainable from what.. biased US media that was known to make bullshit? ah don't mind it), then I can't change your mind :mellow:

I guess this "groundless" "claim" only comes from having "experience" in the "field" and "seeing" both "markets". US-bashing? not really. Let's just "label" this "claim" as "intuition" then. There are others who disagree with me in the "field" anyway.

After all, the UK pound does seem stronger than US dollar, and a Macintosh does claim to be better than PC

Double post, but screw that.

TOKYO--The biggest announcement during today's Xbox 360 conference in Tokyo was the unveiling of a new exclusive title by Square Enix. Although that was a big enough surprise for the attending press, what caught them even more off guard was that the game wouldn't be a role-playing game. The publisher of Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior is instead working on a shooter with Game Arts, developer of the Grandia RPG series.


Your article actually supports my viewpoint further. Push the mainstream on PS3, experiment a little with 360 to see if it sells. Shot yourself on the foot there. I've got nothing to prove you wrong or prove me right here(unless you understand how I come to this conclusion, which is... impossible it seems), but you attacking me with wrong resources do make you look wrong :mellow:



edit: just a few interesting articles, since you seem to care about these "groundless" internet claims pretty much too

http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/15904
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8545/DFC-Predicts-40-Market-Share-at-Best-for-the-Xbox-360/
I reckon these two articles are jibberish but at least they "support" my main "claim" that PS3 is going to lead, big or small

And the games? I think I'll buy rayman, brawl, sm galaxy, zelda (obviously!) and dbz budokai 2. I'm sad because Square Enix doesn't make FF games for Nintendo, I mean, almost none!

Double post, but screw that.

TOKYO--The biggest announcement during today's Xbox 360 conference in Tokyo was the unveiling of a new exclusive title by Square Enix. Although that was a big enough surprise for the attending press, what caught them even more off guard was that the game wouldn't be a role-playing game. The publisher of Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior is instead working on a shooter with Game Arts, developer of the Grandia RPG series.


Your article actually supports my viewpoint further. Push the mainstream on PS3, experiment a little with 360 to see if it sells. Shot yourself on the foot there. I've got nothing to prove you wrong or prove me right here(unless you understand how I come to this conclusion, which is... impossible it seems), but you attacking me with wrong resources do make you look wrong :mellow:



edit: just a few interesting articles, since you seem to care about these "groundless" internet claims pretty much too

http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/15904
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8545/DFC-Predicts-40-Market-Share-at-Best-for-the-Xbox-360/
I reckon these two articles are jibberish but at least they "support" my main "claim" that PS3 is going to lead, big or small

All right, screw civility. I call LightningSage-magnitude BS.


Most of this is going on about the Japanese market, because honestly.. its a good deal bigger than the 'rest of the world' market. And hell of a lot more important.


Everyone's going about the developing cost for PS3 and how that's going to send developers to releases games on both 360 and PS3, BUT that's almost exclusive to the Nothern American market. and that doesn't interest the MAINSTEAM Japanese makers, since Xbox (and 360) has like.. 2% market share in the Japanese industry(Let alone the money that's involved there, making a hit game at home is important symbolically).

Regardless of what your information sources may be, here is the flaw:
If the XBox only has a 2% market share in the Japanese market, and the Japenese market is "hell of a lot more important" than the US market, then the XBox 360 SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST. The MERE EXISTENCE of the XBox 360 blows your argument out of the water.

Second, you're omitting western developers (EA, Atari, Roxor Games). They obviously would care more about the US market than the Japanese market.

First link: A $1.5 billion loss is less than a 0.5% loss for Microsoft. I mean, Gates has a charity that flat-out gives away that much money EVERY YEAR. Saying that Microsoft's "deep pockets eventually become empty" is something like saying the sun eventually burns out. Also, this article is obsolete (and fundamentally flawed in its argument). It was written before the launches of Wii and PS3. It should be obvious that PS2 owners would want to at least SEE the PS3 before deciding whether to migrate to XBox 360.

Second link: Notice that the report itself is not released yet. However, according to the summary, the PS3 is merely listed as the most likely to lead market shares. If you had bothered to look at the numbers, if the 360 gets the 40% it would get in the best case and the Wii gets its 35%, the PS3 would be left at a mere 25% of the market, finishing decidedly in LAST PLACE.

To top it all off, your two resources CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. One claims that the 360 cannot make headway against PS3, and the other claims that it (along with the Wii) will take off at least 1/3 of Sony's market share.


Your article actually supports my viewpoint further. Push the mainstream on PS3, experiment a little with 360 to see if it sells. Shot yourself on the foot there.
Or maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with the fact that Square finally managed to put decent gameplay into the Gummi ship and wants to capitalize on that? Or maybe it's a reflection of Square's recognition that it's getting harder and harder to maintain the traditional Final Fantasy line and that it's time to branch out (i.e., Dirge of Cerberus)? And if Square cares about its reputation as much as you claim Japanese companies do, they're not going to release a half-baked game simply because it's not in their specialty genre.


If you refuse to see beyond what's right on your face and the immediate news (thats pretty much only obtainable from what.. biased US media that was known to make bullshit? ah don't mind it)
If you're claiming that mere repetitions of official company announcements are BS, then you've got a lot of explaining to do. Claiming that the reporting of announcements is more biased than subjective market analysis is downright ridiculous.


I've got nothing to prove you wrong or prove me right here(unless you understand how I come to this conclusion, which is... impossible it seems)
Hmm...direct attack at my intelligence now? Instead of actually addressing the question? Getting desperate, are we?


but you attacking me with wrong resources do make you look wrong
Right back at you. At least I bothered to read my resources before putting them up.

:yawn:

Okay, now this is getting frustrating, so I'm going to pull out the headshot. Don't take too much offense, you deserved it.

You don't even have a case anymore. You're just throwing random bits of insult around. THAT, is pointless.

I'm saying you're not understanding anything I'm saying at the moment because... You haven't worked in the game selling industry. I have been, until around 1AM today morning(albeit a slightly different branch, but the situation is same). I've already told you to stop thinking from "TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE" point of view, because here, MONEY AND SALES don't mean EVERYTHING. Sure it does to Joe Bloggs the store owner, but look a bit further ahead then tomorrow's sales. There, I've said that in many forms for like the 5th time now.

Seriously, I don't see where the hell your arbitary pointless and highly misinformed (and you REALLY like to misinterpret everything I've said until now) declaration of war comes from. What The Fuck is your point. Are You Royally Pissed Off Because I Ignored The American Market For Now Since Its Not Where The Action Is?(Do I really have to point this out? Don't be stupid. You know this too) Or Are You Hienously Offended Because I Said Xbox Has Very Slim Chances Against PS3 At Best? Well if the latter, there you go, XBOX SUCKS. It's already got a loser's record and it sure as hell isn't going to change.

Do I Have To Point Out That My Links Themselves Are Probably Bullshit (And That I've Said So When I Put Them Up), Just Like Every Other Internet Bullshit You See On The Western Web?

Where the fuck is your common sense man. You're showing random anger at the wrong place and time.

I've tried NOT TO INSULT YOU by saying mostly "figure it out yourself. You'll understand" but then well obviously you don't get the messege. Maybe I HAVE OVERESTIMATED your intellect. So this time I'll be VERY SPECIFIC: Think. Don't look up crappy resources that are full of bullshit, You probably can't get your hands on the REAL info since they're all locked up in respective company vaults, we can only make vague predictions.

Don't just look at Today's sales, or only Yesterday's sales, and DON'T LOOK AT ONLY the Hardware&Software sales. Think about the user base in each market. Think about the CHARACTER of each market. Think about the PREFERENCES of each market. Think again about How many of them would be "hardcore" and how many would further me "maniacs". Think again about WHAT EFFECT would the Japanese economy would have on the gaming market and HOW that would affect the American market. Think about their choices for media storage. Think how other media would interact and how that'd change the situation. Think Think Think. And plus, don't trust magazines/websites as if they're the word of God. Remember theirs is opinion too, probably more informed than you but they don't necessarily outwit you.

I'm assuming to raise hell against me here you've got years of experience just being a gamer. So, if you've thought about anything other than "which xbox game I want for christmas", knock yourself out. These conclusions don't come out of my ass as I write a 5 minute post. They came out of My Brain, not out of some stupid website article written by a gimp.

When You Understand, then you can say "I disagree" and tell me what YOU THINK (and show me how Xbox could beat PS3 as that is the MAIN "claim"). And then maybe we can finally have an intellectual discussion. If You Don't Understand, Then just say "I Don't Get It, You're Talking Gibberish" and leave it. You can't insult anything you don't understand.
I never tried to show any form of intellectual superiority. I've put my opinion, based on what I had thought through on the current situation. If you bitch around without understanding what I've said properly, then we're speaking different languages and this is never going to end.












Last words If You Couldn't Understand
Why is Japanese Market so important? Because worldwide Xbox's doing pretty good against Sony. They're still on the losing side, but its enough of a fight so that there's a stalemate-ish situation between Xbox & PS2. That's why the Japansese Market, so largely dominated by Sony and Nintendo, is key to Microsoft getting the major share of the market.
Unless Xbox wins in Japan, 360 vs PS3's going to be Xbox vs Ps2 all the same again. And that means another loss for Microsoft.

This is at its very simplest base. Now You Understand? I have hoped and hoped that you were smart enough to figure this out yourself, not have me to explain directly, since this knowledge is elementary.

Oh and why did I say Japanse market is larger?



Physically at the moment, yes the American Market is bigger. But there are other factors. The easiest one to see (and the one that can make the biggest change) is the cultural factor:

In Japan, gaming is viewed as a cultural thing now. Just like movies and books. And yes, the entire population is therefore a potential market. You CAN expect your grandfather to pick up a PS2 console and enjoy virtual tennis(And this is what Wii's doing. expanding the market to those who weren't initially familiar with gaming)

America hasn't got upto that stage yet, game is still viewed as a child's thing. So you can't expect a 40 something average male father to sit in front of TV and play games whereas in Japan, its a practical possibility.

Market doesn't only mean current sales you know? The 3rd generation console wars just started. These take like.. 4~5 years to stabilise. We can't look far into future but we can at least try



MOD EDIT: Posts Merged.

Provocative claims without proof or even reason
No amount of knowledge can make up for a lack of common sense. Contradictory arguments are contradictory arguments, no matter how many years of experience you may have.

Now, of course, you claim that documents that neither of us have access to support your view. What kind of an argument is that?

Let's look at the posting of those links. So your argument is that because there are two contradictory reports in English on the web, Western media is biased and worthless? That's utterly ridiculous. You yourself said that the way the market is going to go is just a guess at best. Of course market prediction sites are going to be contradictory.


I'm assuming to raise hell against me here you've got years of experience just being a gamer. So, if you've thought about anything other than "which xbox game I want for christmas", knock yourself out. These conclusions don't come out of my ass as I write a 5 minute post. They came out of My Brain, not out of some stupid website article written by a gimp.

Just a gamer? Care to Google me? :)

But since you aren't fond of providing proof, I don't see why I need to bother giving you references for the following:
The average age of the American gamer is 33.
DS games like Brain Age have found a market in the older American population.

I have no problem with you stating an opinion. Personally, I'd prefer either Wii or PS3 to the 360. What I fail to understand, however, is your reaction to my pointing out a flaw that doesn't even have to change your opinion. My post was made, after all, in the same dry wit that you seem to be so fond of. Perhaps the style is not as amusing or intelligent as you thought it was?

Each time I've made specific challenges to your arguments, and each time you've skirted around them. I see no point to continuing this.

Have you ever worked in a game selling industry??

Hah, Tanonev, I just googled you for fun. You're all over the internets! XD
And Kou....Tanonev is correct here. = .=

It doesn't matter if "EVERY JAPANESE PERSON IS A GAMER!~!!!" More games are still sold in America than Japan. There are just more people. With more money. It also doesn't matter that "THE POUND IS STRONGER THAN THE DOLLAR!!!!" Because, again, we have more people. We buy more games. That's all that matters to these game companies. You say Microsoft "needs" the Japanese market to beat Sony. What if Sony just flops in America this time? I think Microsoft would win automatically...

Microsoft is doing great in both American and Europe; they can hold more market share even if they don't kick ass in Japan. Europe and America are pretty big places, you know?

Also, the ps3 isn't doing so great in America right now. Sony shipped far less than they wanted to, and you can STILL find ps3's in stores easily. That's *pathetic* for a console that just launched a few months ago. Sony won the last console war because they did good everywhere, not because they did good in Japan.

Xbox owns Sony because Xbox has decent online play. Sony doesn't.

^lol, that too. Microsoft's online is insanely good. I haven't tried the ps3's online yet, but it doesn't hold up to Microsoft's from what I've heard. The Wii is also severely lacking in the online department, which is sad, because I love the Wii. XP

Does anyone here own the Wii?

This post is taken in its entirety from compete.com

For many people this past holiday season, a next-generation video game console was the must have gift. Microsoft’s Xbox 360 enjoyed a breakout sophomore year, outselling both the Wii and the PS3 combined during the holidays. The latter, of course, faced major supply shortages leaving one to only wonder how many additional units Nintendo and Sony might have sold if sufficient quantities were available to meet demand.

The following chart presents Compete’s estimate of weekly in-market video console demand based on the number of U.S. consumers observed shopping online for each console.

http://home.compete.com.edgesuite.net/site_media/upl/img/gaming_jan.gif

Key findings from our analysis of video game console shoppers in December:

The Wii, the clear underdog with its relatively modest specs, surprised many skeptics by sustaining its post-launch interest and outselling the PS3. This won’t come as a surprise to anyone who tried in vain to find a Wii at anywhere close to its suggested retail price.
The PS3 was a quick flash in the pan that fizzled on the backs of negative publicity, its lofty price and supply shortages. After only a few weeks on the market, the PS3 was attracting barely as many shoppers as the year-old Xbox 360.
Xbox 360 demand spiked at the start of the holiday shopping season thanks in part to a highly publicized sale on Amazon, spill-over interest in the Wii and PS3, and the introduction of the smash hit Gears of War.
With Xbox 360 and PS3 demand now running in lock-step, it will be difficult for Sony to gain ground on Microsoft due to a perceived price disparity between the two consoles and Microsoft’s broader game catalog.


Compete also analyzed the degree to which each console’s shoppers considered the rival systems in November and December.

http://home.compete.com.edgesuite.net/site_media/upl/img/game_xshop_jan.gif

Of particular note:

There was a clear shift away from the PS3 in December as Wii and Xbox 360 shoppers considered it less and PS3 shoppers considered rivals more.
Wii shoppers are less likely than Xbox 360 and PS3 shoppers to consider the rival systems. This can be attributed to the Wii’s lower price and broader target market. Regardless of the reason, this loyalty is great news for Nintendo.

numbers numbers numbers x.x all I know is I want all they because they each have their respective great games.

I agree with RD, although thanks for the information Dark Bring :)

I enjoyed those numbers. They show that Sony probably isn't going to do nearly as well as they did last generation, which is great. Most analysts say that all three systems are going to have about equal market shares, which I like, because I think that's what all three of them deserve. :3

The next-gen console market is still quite young, I dare say. Or rather, the next gen console games market is still quite young. Hopefully there will be enough disparity between title purchase volume and console purchase volume to establish the true champion of the first next-gen console competition (wishful thinking?).

true champion of the first next-gen console competition (wishful thinking?).

How is this the "first next-gen console competition?" Wasn't last gen just the "next-gen" to the generation before it? And on and on? :heh:

And of course someone will "win" this generation; most of the marketing analysts are just saying that they don't think anybody will *dominate* like last generation. X3 Maybe a 30-30-40 ratio, instead of like a 70-20-10 or whatever it was last time. > <

I keep hearing comparisons between Betamax and Blu-Ray. Darn. lol

How is this the "first next-gen console competition?" Wasn't last gen just the "next-gen" to the generation before it? And on and on? :heh:Semantics? This is the first generation of consoles that people applied the 'next-gen' tag to.


I keep hearing comparisons between Betamax and Blu-Ray. Darn. lolI'd rather not go into that in this thread.

Semantics? This is the first generation of consoles that people applied the 'next-gen' tag to.
What the heck? Maybe the people you talk to/read from; I've definitely heard the term *way* before this generation. But whatever, not worth arguing over. XD


I keep hearing comparisons between Betamax and Blu-Ray. Darn. lol

Ugh, you shouldn't be. Blu-ray has a huge advantage over HD-DVD in terms of movie selection. Sony owns/has exclusive contracts with like half the damned movie industry. Blu-ray is going to beat out HD-DVD imo. But we'll see I guess. XP

Sony refused porn to be released on Betamax, causing it to lose against VHS. With Blue-Ray they are making that same mistake.

Sony refused porn to be released on Betamax, causing it to lose against VHS. With Blue-Ray they are making that same mistake.Very succinctly put, and I agree.

Sony refused porn to be released on Betamax, causing it to lose against VHS. With Blue-Ray they are making that same mistake.

Whoa, what? Sony isn't allowing certain things to be produced for Blu-ray? In that case, excuse me; I retract my earlier statement. :heh:

All this while the Wii is currently the #1 pr0n machine, where many porn companies have adjusted to its hardware and browsing capabilities :)

Sony refused porn to be released on Betamax, causing it to lose against VHS. With Blue-Ray they are making that same mistake.

I dun know what yall are thinking, but I don't think the majority of people out there would want to look at that on the PS3's anyway. And as far as Blu-ray goes, who cares if they have better Movie quality than Xbox... That's why they have such a thing called uhh maybe a "DVD!" I mean as some people already know, game consoles weren't even supposed to be mainly used for viewing movies and playing music, but more for the games of course. And to support that, most people already know that when you play too many DVD's on your xbox, your console starts to screw up. I would say instead of going for the PS3, I would purchase an xbox, not because it's cheaper or has a wider variety, but because Sony just aimed too high with the PS3, their console is so "high tech" that it caused so many flaws in gameplay. And probably the reason why PS3 has such a small selection of games is because game developers would have to spend so much money, and time trying to work with the high technology that is built in the PS3. So the 360 or the wii is my pick.

Anysystem that has final fantasy =)

PS3 and Wii, then :)

Each time I've made specific challenges to your arguments, and each time you've skirted around them. I see no point to continuing this.

Long time no correspondence. I was busy with life like everyone else.

Exactly. You decided to attack a non-argument. To put simply, a guess. An educated guess I would say, and you'd say groundless claim. And you attacked something that wasn't my main point either. It was kinda funny while it lasted. Although forcing me everytime to throw something that sounds like an argument back at you was pretty harsh, you bastard :mellow:

Its like, one of us has a crystal globe and the other has a binocular and we're both trying to tell each other what's behind the mountain. Binocular can't see past the mountain, and the crystal globe doesn't sound much convincing either.
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Now DB's data, that's interesting. I thought PS3 would do worse, seeing as how Kusonagi(I love calling him that!) announced possible plans for a new PS3 variant that has even more features than the 60gb version. (and ffs pls don't ask me where this comes from. I can't remember 250 different websites and newspaper articles and press leaks every single goddamed time)

Finally somebody else caught on the whole blu-ray vs HDVD thing, nice comparison with betamax & VHS.

Somebody else asked if I'm in the game industry. Yes. I was an assistant clerk at gamestation in my school days for 4 years (this doesn't count for shit yes, but hey - I got to see PS2 sales kick Xbox down the drain), then I was a console/online games programmer until recently, same thing with less console more online, less coding more planning until even more recently(16th Jan),
And now I'm back being EB sales clerk as part time job while I run off and see if I can pick up another degree. A class seats to console wars MkII, hooray.



More merchant skills and less Mysticism, I've put all my consoles(360, PS3, Wii) up for sale at auction to see if I could make any money off the price difference.

PS3 sold for NZ$2500 (I got it at Korea for something like.. 800?.. lol), and Wii was offered for less than what I paid for (and like 1/2 of retail price here in NZ) and 360 timed out. Sad, I haved decided I liked 360's software lineup as much as I like Fakk You Restaurant in town square and its owner Mr.Wang.

Obviously the PS3 sold with so much extra premium because... we value NTSC here (since we get crappy PAL version, 'hardcore' gamers go out of their way for US or JAP consoles), and PS3's not even advertised for pre-order yet.

Seriously if this shit wasn't dodgy(in legal terms) if done in mass numbers, I'd go back to grab more PS3's to chuck them on the auction. :mellow:

All this while the Wii is currently the #1 pr0n machine, where many porn companies have adjusted to its hardware and browsing capabilities

I must admit I've browsed for porn on the Wii, just for irony of it all. Hahahahaha. I love how nintendo has their awesome Friend Codes and all that other crap, when porn is freely available on their machine. XD

Also:

PS3 and Wii, then

Yeah, I just read that they might be making normal FF's on the Wii too, depending on how the money goes. Gotta love Square; they have no friends at all, just follow the money all the time. :heh:

After playing the Wii (Sports) for about 8 1/2 hrs. and pulling my biceps and upper back muscles, I take the Wii as the best of the 3 new systems.

It's so fun, you can't turn it off... only if your at your friends house.. :heh:

I'd say all, have an equal competition, PS3 has FF as a product boost, Wii has Super Smash Brothers Meelee (awsome game btw!) and Zelda, while 360 has Halo, of course, Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, and Brothers in Arms. So all have tied game. I still stick to the 360 and the Wii, I might buy PS3 one of these days because of the fact that you can connect onto the internet from it, just like the PSP.

Wii doesn't have Smash Melee at all, that's Gamecube. Wii will release Smash Brawl some time this year, but you can't say it's an awesome game cos you haven't played it yet.

Wii doesn't have Smash Melee at all, that's Gamecube. Wii will release Smash Brawl some time this year, but you can't say it's an awesome game cos you haven't played it yet.

True, it's just the hype.
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But I would still choose Wii, because of

~relatively lower price and
~something about less glitches than the other two

I went to Gamestop the otherday and saw like a pile of PS3's high enough to block out the sun. Looks like no one is buying them. ):


Looks like Wii and 360 will be duking it out.

Made me giggle inside.

People just buy the PS3 to sell quadruple the price in some other market. Like Ebay, or Amazon

I went to Gamestop the otherday and saw like a pile of PS3's high enough to block out the sun. Looks like no one is buying them. ):


Looks like Wii and 360 will be duking it out.

Made me giggle inside.

It's different here, no PS3's lots of Wii's. :mellow:

Sony refused porn to be released on Betamax, causing it to lose against VHS. With Blue-Ray they are making that same mistake.

Agree agree . Its just sightly funny.

I Don't know whats up with PS3 sales. They are better then 360's according to DB, but people say theres a lot around.

Empty boxes?

It's different here, no PS3's lots of Wii's. :mellow:

Tell them to ship them over the Cali. We'll put them to good use.





Wii doesn't have Smash Melee at all, that's Gamecube. Wii will release Smash Brawl some time this year, but you can't say it's an awesome game cos you haven't played it yet.




The Wii is backwards compatable, and I just played SBM on it a while back. So technically, yes the Wii does have Smash Melee.

Wii! ^.^

@DeadPanda: Please read Crimson Dragon's post once more, and then my reply and you will see what I meant by that. I know it's backwards compatible, so yeah you can play Melee on your Wii, but mentioning Super Smash Melee when comparing next-gen consoles is just stupid :P If the consoles are to be compared to one and another, then you should compare them by their own games...

At the moment...since I'm enjoying my 360 the most..i'd say Xbox360. I do love my Wii and I'm sure it Wii will have some great games coming out soon.

As for the PS3..i'll only buy one when it's worth buying I.E good games, nevermind the price.

If the consoles are to be compared to one and another, then you should compare them by their own games...
Yeah, but you just said we couldn't as we haven't played any of them yet. You mentioned FF for the ps3 earlier in the thread, but then went on to say that Brawl couldn't be considered a plus for the Wii yet, as nobody here has played it. Have you played FF? And if you have, could you ship me the disk so I have a reason to buy the ps3? XD

I think we have to judge the consoles by the games coming out for them in the future. I mean, the Wii and ps3 are only a few months old; neither have much out for them yet. (Way more so with the ps3, but w/e. X3 )

Also, I just beat Super Castlevania IV for the Wii's virtual console. I had it when I was a kid (Still do actually, but it's on a floppy disk, and I didn't feel like plugging in my floppy-disk extension for my SNES.) Anyway, I hadn't played the game since I was like seven and it's SOOOOOO good. XD

Really hard, really great music, really fair (no cheapass deaths like a lot of the old games, just hardcore challenge!) and really fun. I highly recommend it to anyone who doesn't mind getting their ass handed to them multiple times every few minutes. ;)

I'm a die-hard Nintendo fan and I say PS3.

Don't go calling me a traitor yet! I'm not finished. I have a good reason.

Now the '360 has award winning titles, but, do you want to risk it not being able to play your favorite XBox game?

The PS3 has the Sixaxis controllers and onboard internet, but the price... (need I say more?)

The Wii has it all. An innovative control system, sleek design, awesome games, lower price, and let's not forget Nintendo's famous durability. The controllers fit comfortably and form to the hand's contours. The nunchuck is held as if it weren't there.

Yes the Wii has it all, and yet I say PS3. Why? Out of the desire to be fair. If we compared the 'Box and PS3 to Wii, then it'd be like, say, beting up a kindergartner. It's unfair. The Wii is a home entertainmet system, not a game console. It's a class of it's own.

Of course, in the end, it's the games that sell the system.

^As a fellow nintendo fanboy, I have to say I enjoyed your post. lol
But, the ps3 doesn't play all ps2 games either; it has the same problems the 360 does. ;)

Also:

so yeah you can play Melee on your Wii, but mentioning Super Smash Melee when comparing next-gen consoles is just stupid If the consoles are to be compared to one and another, then you should compare them by their own games...

Not true. Saying this basically says that the Virtual Console on the Wii is not a plus for the system; I mean, you could go buy a turbo grafix right? Also, I'm playing RE4 on my Wii right now...I couldn't do that on a ps3 or 360, so they're not getting any play time at the moment. Backwards compatibility on a console is always a good thing. I mean, who wants to carry a DS in one pocket and an SP in the other? Who wants a ps1 stacked on top of their ps2 on top of their ps3? An Xbox on top of their 360? An NES on top of an SNES on top of a Genesis on top of a turbografix on top of a Gamecube on top of their Wii? (I loved that last one, hahaha) Anyway, you get my point, lol :3

Edit: After considering my post here, I realized that having all those towers of systems in a living room would actually be ridiculously bad-ass, if not very inconvenient. But still, backwards compatibility is awesome. XD

^As a fellow nintendo fanboy, I have to say I enjoyed your post. lol
But, the ps3 doesn't play all ps2 games either; it has the same problems the 360 does. ;)

true but the list isn't as big. (the 'box plays about 390 original titles, while the PS3 wont play about 100.)

But, the ps3 doesn't play all ps2 games either; it has the same problems the 360 does. ;)


Then it doesn't play the unimportant games. I have a PS3 and did the test myself, I borrowed several games from friends and tried my own and the PS3 was capable of playing each and everyone. :mellow:

@ above 2^

Yeah, apparently the ps3 isn't as bad as the 360 in that regard. Just thought I'd mention that it's backwards compatibility isn't perfect either, like the ps2's was. :3

@ above 2^

Yeah, apparently the ps3 isn't as bad as the 360 in that regard. Just thought I'd mention that it's backwards compatibility isn't perfect either, like the ps2's was. :3
accually, I've had sound problems while playing certain PS1 game on my PS2 (slim). And the analog throttle control for GT2 didn't work either. So, as far as as I know, Nintendo has the best backwards compatability.

i'd have to say the Wii. not only is it tons of fun, but you get some exercise while you're playing. of course, always remember to stretch before playing. lol. i learned my lesson the hard way. :S although i like this one the best, i don't own one. but i'd really like to, if i had the money and if i could find one. :P

I say wii as well. zelda was definitely one of the best games i played. Brawl looks awesome i have seen some sneek peaks yeah they have some new characters that i disagree with though. Nintendo is also going to be coming out wiht more games.

PS2 backwards compatibility wasn't perfect, although it was pretty good. PS3 should support PS2 games better than the 360, it has a PS2-on-chip built in, so it should work much better than it actually is right now. 360 uses an emulator, hence it's not working perfectly, but the good thing about an emulator is that they'll add new games to it all the time.

For reference (though I have no idea where I'm actually going with this), the PS2 had a PS1 processor built in as well. Just a random fact I learned in digital systems class :P

PS3, I heard that the PS3 can play the PSone and PS2 games and it can play DVDs like the PS2 and also it has a banana shaped controller which I like bananas...

I'm gonna have to say PS3 now, mainly for Blu Ray. Also people don't seem to realize how excellent the PS3 price is. The price of a Blu Ray player can be equally expensive as a PS3. Also I found out about "Home" -GG Xbox.

Yeah, gotta love home. Sony ripped off Nintendo and Microsoft all at once! Awesome. :rolleyes:

But...they're doing a great job of ripping them both off. Home looks very cool. :3

Everyone gets their ideas from somewhere else, no matter how small or large the connection is. If they are taking an idea and make it better, I'm all for it.

True true. It's still obnoxious when it's so blatantly obvious though. In my opinion anyway. X3

And like I said, I'm looking forward to Home too.

Has anyone noticed that where ever you go, there are PS3's stacked up in piles and absolutely no Wii's? *hint hint* By the way. I heard a rumor that MS is making an XBox 460 to:

"Rebuild the system with all the features that the original left out."
Now, to me this sounds like Microsoft's lame excuse to produce another system and stay in the running.

EDIT: 'Box doesn't count since it's been out for a year and no one wants one anymore.

Don't get all hot and angry over that rumor. If its confirmed, then you have all rights to.

Microsoft was stupid with the way they designed their core system. However, making up for that now by releasing an "updated" version of the 360 would be even dumber in my opinion. Just accept your losses and quit while you're ahead.

Has anyone noticed that where ever you go, there are PS3's stacked up in piles and absolutely no Wii's? *hint hint*

that's true.... I also noticed it... at target there were PS3's but no Wii's my brother wanted a wii so we ended up standing in a long line outside of the store at 7:00 in the morning.

PS3's have blu-ray but they are so expensive.... at least w/ the wii you get some exersize that wii play boxing is a workout... no joke.

PS3's have blu-ray but they are so expensive.... at least w/ the wii you get some exersize that wii play boxing is a workout... no joke.

Blu Ray is the new DVD, you're better off buying a PS3 then a seperate Blu Ray player.


Just goes to show you that Wii is way better than PS3. (Wii will rock you!!!) But that's for another thread. *goes to the "Wii, PS3, or XBox 360" thread*.

Me and my friend brought up a discussion later today regarding up coming next gen games etc. We talked about Little Big Planet (PS3), Bioshock (360) and. . . wait whats coming out for the Wii? Right, Smash Bros and Metroid. Now I'm not saying these are bad games, actually I'm looking forward to play them- but what I'm trying to get at is that the Wii doesn't have much going for it from what we could see.

Meer... your right the PS3 and the Xbox have always had a greater selection of games... but w/ gives u a different gaming experience. My bro also has the xbox and PS2 abd he always buys the same games... DBZ1 DBZ2 ... and so on.. so If you like all the mario stuff and find it that those are practically the only games you own then... the Wii is for you. I guess it is in the eye of the beholder and depends on what kind of games you like.

You also make a point w/ the blu-ray I heard the just blu-ray on its own is more expensive than the PS3... w/ the PS3 u get blu-ray and a game system.
So it just depend on what u want and your budget.... I guess.

Blu Ray is the new DVD, you're better off buying a PS3 then a seperate Blu Ray player.



Me and my friend brought up a discussion later today regarding up coming next gen games etc. We talked about Little Big Planet (PS3), Bioshock (360) and. . . wait whats coming out for the Wii? Right, Smash Bros and Metroid. Now I'm not saying these are bad games, actually I'm looking forward to play them- but what I'm trying to get at is that the Wii doesn't have much going for it from what we could see.

I don't care about playing DVD's on my game console. I want to play games. Who says I want Blu Ray at all? For many people, Blu Ray won't display in a resolution any larger than a standard DVD anyway. Why? Because a DVD is the best most TV's will display. And a DVD player now is like, $50 min? I'll go buy one of thoose for playing movies and use my game console for playing games.

As for games, all systems come out with series. XBox(360) comes out with Halo 3 and PS(3) comes out with GT5, GTA, etc.

The fact is, Wii is winning. Even Nintendo didn't think it'd do as well as it has.

Blu Ray is the new DVD, you're better off buying a PS3 then a seperate Blu Ray player.
Yeah, unless Blu-ray flops like every other format Sony has ever introduced does.

We talked about Little Big Planet (PS3), Bioshock (360) and. . . wait whats coming out for the Wii? Right, Smash Bros and Metroid. Now I'm not saying these are bad games, actually I'm looking forward to play them- but what I'm trying to get at is that the Wii doesn't have much going for it from what we could see.
Lmao, are you seriously comparing Little Big Planet and Bioshock to Nintendo's stable of franchises? XD

Sorry, but neither LBP or Bioshock will be especially good. Bioshock will score in the low 9's. LBP will score...about the same I think, or lower.
I was amazed at LBP when I first saw it. "Oh my god! It's so quirky and awesome!" But you know what? After watching the video 10 times, I realized something; the game really doesn't look especially fun at all. Especially compared to oh, I don't know...mario. Which is you know...coming out on the Wii. As for Bioshock, it's a way over-glorified shooter. "Zomg you make moral choices! Zomg you update your guy!" Yeah, I decide whether or not I want to shoot an ugly little zombie girl to update my guy. That's a tough choice. So basically, you're just going around getting better weapons, same as every other fps ever made. And the gameplay looks kind of...slow. > <

I was extremely excited for both Bioshock and LBP when I first saw them, but after watching the videos for them a few times, I realized something. The changes both of them are making to their respective genres are interesting, but not necessarily fun. LBP especially; I want to freaking DIE from things when I'm playing a platformer. Mario has always had a great challenge to it, with extremely tight controls to keep it fun instead of frustrating. That's why in every other college dorm room I visit, there's an SNES hooked up with Super Mario World plugged into it. LBP and Bioshock are different; Nintendo's games will be fun first, with small differences to spice things up.

Oh, also:
Ps3 is losing all it's exclusives. GTA, Assasin's Creed, and MGS(rumored). What's left? Final Fantasy? I think the 360 might be a better choice, with all of MistWalker's games coming out for it. Then you could afford to buy a few Wiis too, and you'd still be saving money. ^_^

Just my opinions....

I don't care about playing DVD's on my game console. I want to play games. Who says I want Blu Ray at all?

PS3 isn't just a game console, that's the difference between a PS3 and a Wii.


For many people, Blu Ray won't display in a resolution any larger than a standard DVD anyway. Why? Because a DVD is the best most TV's will display. And a DVD player now is like, $50 min?

Was the same for DVD players when they were originally released.


I'll go buy one of thoose for playing movies and use my game console for playing games.

I'm not stopping you, just pointing out that blatantly saying Wii is winning is rather snippy.


Yeah, unless Blu-ray flops like every other format Sony has ever introduced does.

I certainly hope not, Blu-ray has incredible potential.


Lmao, are you seriously comparing Little Big Planet and Bioshock to Nintendo's stable of franchises? XD

Yes. LBP and Bioshock will be new games, not something from the pass. I see people complaining about how long Final Fantasy has been dragging on, why don't you complain about Mario or Zelda?


Sorry, but neither LBP or Bioshock will be especially good. Bioshock will score in the low 9's. LBP will score...about the same I think, or lower.
I was amazed at LBP when I first saw it. "Oh my god! It's so quirky and awesome!" But you know what? After watching the video 10 times, I realized something; the game really doesn't look especially fun at all.

LBP is a teamwork related game, it wont work without teamwork. Look up the videos on level creation which is about 50% of the game, I hope you change your mind about the way you think of this game. I am very excited for this game and hope to spend endless hours online with friends creating levels.


As for Bioshock, it's a way over-glorified shooter. "Zomg you make moral choices! Zomg you update your guy!" Yeah, I decide whether or not I want to shoot an ugly little zombie girl to update my guy. That's a tough choice. So basically, you're just going around getting better weapons, same as every other fps ever made. And the gameplay looks kind of...slow. > <

Sorry, I only picked out Bioshock as an example of new games, I really wouldn't know much about the gameplay seeing as how I have only seen the cinematic trailer.

LBP is a teamwork related game, it wont work without teamwork. Look up the videos on level creation which is about 50% of the game, I hope you change your mind about the way you think of this game. I am very excited for this game and hope to spend endless hours online with friends creating levels.
Of course of course. I've seen all the videos for the game, because like I said, I was really excited for it when I first saw it. I don't know though, to me, it doesn't look like it'll be anything special. It'd be cool if I was proven wrong, as I'm happy whenever a developer pushes a quirky new type of game. I'm all in favor of a game that doesn't revolve around machine guns, running people over, or fighting off an alien invasion. But again, sadly, I don't think LBP will live up to expectations. = \


Sorry, I only picked out Bioshock as an example of new games, I really wouldn't know much about the gameplay seeing as how I have only seen the cinematic trailer.
Oh yah, bleh. Don't go by that. The cinematic trailer is incredible. The gameplay videos...not so flooring. :heh:

I certainly hope not, Blu-ray has incredible potential.
::shrug::
Blu-ray or HD-DVD. They're both fine as far as I'm concerned. Unless Blu-ray is better in some way I haven't heard of I mean.

Of course of course. I've seen all the videos for the game, because like I said, I was really excited for it when I first saw it. I don't know though, to me, it doesn't look like it'll be anything special. It'd be cool if I was proven wrong, as I'm happy whenever a developer pushes a quirky new type of game. I'm all in favor of a game that doesn't revolve around machine guns, running people over, or fighting off an alien invasion. But again, sadly, I don't think LBP will live up to expectations.

Lets play online sometime and we'll decide. :P


::shrug::
Blu-ray or HD-DVD. They're both fine as far as I'm concerned. Unless Blu-ray is better in some way I haven't heard of I mean.

Blu-ray wins. (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4996&Itemid=2)

PS3 isn't just a game console, that's the difference between a PS3 and a Wii.
That's exactly why I want a Wii. Nintendo focuses their energy into producing awesome game systems not stuffing them full of extra crap that makes the system huge, clunky, and ugly. They also innovate and create a new way to play games. You guys want to talk first person shooter, try one on a Wii.

Let's play online sometime and we'll decide. :P
Why would you have to play online to decide if a game will be as great as it's hyped up to be. Hopeless could just play locally for a while, say it's not a great game, then not have to worry about paying some cheap skate hard earned money just to play a game online. If you can play a bad game well, then great! Come tell me when you're ready to play with the big boys. When you do, make sure you buy a Wii so we can play on Nintendo Wi-Fi conection, the free online gaming service.

That's exactly why I want a Wii. Nintendo focuses their energy into producing awesome game systems not stuffing them full of extra crap that makes the system huge, clunky, and ugly. They also innovate and create a new way to play games. You guys want to talk first person shooter, try one on a Wii.

I have tried a first person shooter on the Wii and I was not very impressed. Also I might add that all the extra crap as you put it just adds on to the extra fun for me and my friends.


Why would you have to play online to decide if a game will be as great as it's hyped up to be. Hopeless could just play locally for a while, say it's not a great game, then not have to worry about paying some cheap skate hard earned money just to play a game online. If you can play a bad game well, then great! Come tell me when you're ready to play with the big boys. When you do, make sure you buy a Wii so we can play on Nintendo Wi-Fi conection, the free online gaming service.

I see that you want to act like a little baby here, so don't go throwing your mouth around and acting like the big boy here. PS3 has free online gaming service and the reason that I asked HC to play with me is so that we could together decide if the game was good or not. If you want to continue to argue with me and act like a child at the same time, I might want to point you into the direction of a elementary school where you can chatter with people the same age and intelligence as you.

see that you want to act like a little baby here, so don't go throwing your mouth around and acting like the big boy here. PS3 has free online gaming service and the reason that I asked HC to play with me is so that we could together decide if the game was good or not.

Yeah, of course I'll play online with you when I get it. I don't know when that'll be of course, since I don't own a ps3 yet. > <
And yeah, the ps3's online play is totally free; they're going to try powering it with ads and what-not. Which is awesome. The Wii's online is free too, but isn't nearly as robust, sadly. That's the main thing I really wish Nintendo would work on actually. The 360's online is good but...it's not free. So I think Sony is the hands-down winner right now in that category. Plus, they have Home. Which looks pretty awesome.



I have tried a first person shooter on the Wii and I was not very impressed. Also I might add that all the extra crap as you put it just adds on to the extra fun for me and my friends.
I think they'll get better though. Metroid should show what the Wii can really do with regards to the fps genre. I'm hoping it's good. I enjoy the shooters on the Wii right now actually, even though they're very....unpolished, I still find them hilarious to play with friends. You just can't get mad when the controls screw up on you and cost you a kill. XP

There is the feature that keeps the system connected to the online service at all times. Good for saving time, but it wastes power and can cause CPU lag.

Someone should start a handhelds lag. I can rave forever about the DS.

I'm definetly looking at the 360 at the moment based on it's upcoming roster of games. Bioshock looks completely fantastic, and seeing as it's being referred to as the "spiritual successor" of System Shock 2, I've already got great expectations on it in terms of gameplay. The Live arcade has been really successful as well, with classics such as Worms, Ikaruga and Castlevania on there at the moment.

I can really see myself getting bored of the Wii quickly, though I might consider picking one up, just not at the moment


Sorry, but neither LBP or Bioshock will be especially good. Bioshock will score in the low 9's. LBP will score...about the same I think, or lower.
riiiight. Because anything that achieves a lowish 9 out of 10 is really not worth playing :lol:

I didn't say they wouldn't be worth playing. I said they shouldn't be labeled as better than nintendo games, which have a pretty strong reputation of being the best games in the world. ;)

I'm looking forward to both LBP and Bioshock. I just don't think I'll be crying with joy like so many people are suggesting. ;P

I didn't say they wouldn't be worth playing. I said they shouldn't be labeled as better than nintendo games, which have a pretty strong reputation of being the best games in the world. ;)

I'm looking forward to both LBP and Bioshock. I just don't think I'll be crying with joy like so many people are suggesting. ;P

My friend has a Wii and we are both concerened about upcoming games for the Wii. PS3 and X.360 already have a list of games to look forward to.

Could you...list some then? :3

Rainbow Six: Las Vegas
F.E.A.R
The Darkness
Warhawk
Lair
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Assassin's Creed
Burnout 5
Half-Life 2: Orange Box (uuuuuu)
Home
Turok (LOL)
GTA 4
Metal Gear Solid
Heavenly Sword

I might add more to the list later, these are only games that I remember off the top of my head.

I didn't say they wouldn't be worth playing. I said they shouldn't be labeled as better than nintendo games, which have a pretty strong reputation of being the best games in the world. ;)

I'm looking forward to both LBP and Bioshock. I just don't think I'll be crying with joy like so many people are suggesting. ;P
Neither should Nintendo games be classified as "going to be" better than Bioshock. Bioshock also has a good history, you ought to seek down System Shock 2 and play that one. :)

If Ninja Gaiden is going to be a PS3 exclusive I'll shoot myself in the foot.

Meer, add Mass Effect to your list B)

The Wii also has an upcoming game called "No More Heroes" which looks damn well great. Youtube it and watch the trailers. Made by the same creators as "Killer 7". Also waiting on Trauma Center, which is great on the DS.

There's no doubt that the strength of the Wii will correlate to the first party games it produces (like the other Nintendo consoles), hopefully though third party developers catch on to the new controller and create some really unique games for it. Due to the graphical indifference and radical controller I think it's fair to say that the Wii is going to have more exclusives than the other two systems.

Considering that I don't have enough time to play more than 1 or 2 games a quarter, it makes no difference to me whether a system has 2 great games to look forward to or 20.

That said, my Wii wish list:
SSBB (obviously)
Super Paper Mario

Yes, it's a short list, but like I said, I don't have enough time to play more than that :P

As for upcoming games that look good but I won't be getting due to time/genre constraints:
Bomberman Land
Prince of Persia
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Fire Emblem
Pokemon Battle Revolution

And I'm holding out for the next installments of Mario Kart and Mega Man. Here's hoping they come :P

The Wii also has an upcoming game called "No More Heroes" which looks damn well great. Youtube it and watch the trailers. Made by the same creators as "Killer 7". Also waiting on Trauma Center, which is great on the DS.

My god. Is "youtube" now a verb, too? First Google, then youtube, what next? Game it? XD Anyways, I want trauma center DS. My mom (a nurse) would be begging me to play my DS. Has anyone started a Handheld Thread yet?

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