It seemed a good time to open this thread as the DS thread started moving a little off topic. I'll make this quick, this is just an area to talk about anything Gamecube. The system, its games, whatever. Please no random insults without some supporting information though.

@Alex

I think you may be wrong about the graphics. I found RE0's graphics to be slightly better. Don't get me wrong, the REmake is the better game (I was scared to walk up stairs for a week) but it's graphics weren't as good as RE0's. They still beat almost any other game's graphics out there though.

Really? I honestly think that Resident Evil REmake's graphics beat Resident Evil 0's hands down. They both are though, some of the best looking games out there, if not THE best. I honestly cannot compare anything to either of them on any other system.

Ontop of the train in Resident Evil 0. Running through the woods in the mist in the REmake. Just some of the graphical achievements in both games. Also, the water and fire effects in both were amazing.

Gamecube is quite a powerful little machine and is highly underestimated.

It isn't necessarily its power. While it is more powerful than the PS2 it still falls noticeably short of Xbox. The thing is, the system is better at a few key things than the Xbox which allow games to look just as good, if not better on it. The Nintendo people know how to make a system. Not to mention that if it is used correctly, the Gamecube has no load times and that's a huge plus.

I'm looking forward to seeing Baten Kaitos because that game has beautiful graphics, especially in the FMV's.

Also, no discussion about the Gamecube's graphics would be complete without the mention of the Zeldas. First I have to say, Wind Waker's graphics are gorgeous. That just simply couldn't be done on PS2. Some people may not like the style but as far as I'm concerned, no game has had such a seamless, fluid, beautiful world.

The second Zelda i'd like to mention is this one (http://media.cube.ign.com/media/572/572738/vids_1.html). Please, watch the video first if you haven't done so before. (you need to watch the Windows Media streaming video)

This is all the in game engine. This looks better then most of the FMV's out there and it's in game, and it has another year before it comes out. This is what the Gamecube can do.

I was never a big fan of Wind Waker. I admit, the graphics were rather uniqueand breathtaking at times, especially when your on your boat sailing into the distance and slowly an island looms over the horizon into view. To me though, it just was missing something the other Zelda games had.

New Gamecube Zelda (as seen in the link you posted) looks absolutely breathtaking. The only games I am trully looking forward to are both on Gamecube (Resident Evil 4 and Zelda GCN).

There may be life in this yet.

Have you played Metorid Prime? That game was awesome. I'd also suggest Eternal Darkness as it's one of the best games for the system and can be found extremely cheap in most places.

Bah. No havent tried either of them yet. I own all three of the consoles, and Gamecube is the one I have the least games for. I think I only have like 10 and half of them are Resident Evil. I'm looking to fix that. Metroid Prime I will definetly be getting hopefully. Eternal Darkness has been recommended to me constantly, just its a time issue, with school and everything, I might not find to play it.

We seem to own this thread.

I think we may just be the only ones who care about Gamecube. I know what you mean about the time and both MP and Eternal darkness are long games. Metroid took me about 25 hours the first time and I haven't finished it on hard mode yet. Eternal darkness clocks in at around 15 hours but I played through it three times to get the full ending and see the majority of the sanity effects so it lasted a little longer for me. It probably has the best computer controlled camera system in any 3d game and that almost makes it worth playing by itself.

As I said before, its nice to see another rather loyal Gamecube fan to say the least. I always believed Nintendo always brought out games of the highest quality hence why I only need a few of their games to equal my PS2 and XBOX collection, for what I lack in actual games gets equalled in playtime. Super Smash Bros Melee may be the game I have played the most, and Resident Evil (I'm making sure I get everything).

They never cease to amaze me. The games I bought from Nintendo anyway. You never get a half'assed job.

I'm planning on buying a Gamecube this winter, since it is so cheap around here. X_X However, I think Nintendo makes some dumb moves every now and then.

What do you think of the Cube's controller? I've always liked it, it has that same sort of feel as the SNES controller, it just fits. On the other hand most people seem to prefer the PS2 controller or the Xbox controller. I can almost see the Xbox controller, the S-type anyway, but the PS2 controller is very uncomfortable to me. I dislike the button layout and the anolog stick being in the lower left instead of the the upper left makes no sense to me. Since you play on all three regularly I'd like to know your opinion. I also play on Gamecube and Xbox a lot but I tend to avoid PS2 because of its controller. I also play on a Wavebird controller so that makes a bit of a difference.

Edit: Noir, you're very very right, Nintendo makes so many extremely bad moves. They make so many amazingly stupid decisions that it's unbeleivable they're still around but then again, Sony and Microsoft have made some pretty big mistakes too.

I have a GameCube, but....its just one of those systems where I just don't use much. I play my PS2 far more, because there are a LOT more games that I like for it then GC. GameCube is a good system, it has great potential, but....its simply not good enough competition for PS2, in my opinion.

I actually like all controllers for a certain reason.

Xbox: I have two original, big chunky Xbox controllers. This is better for me mainly because I have pretty big hands, so the controller feels very comfortable to me. Some buttons however are a bit hard to reach like the white and black buttons, in the sense that they are so small, sometimes you push the wrong one by accident. The buttons underneath also hurt my fingers sometimes after using/holding them down for too long ie When playing Buffy and locking onto enemies.

PS2: I have gotten used to it mainly because its the controller I have used the longest. I had a PSOne before it and I really had no problems with the controller at all. I think it feels fine to me, but I prefer the Dual Shock version over the original Analogue controller, I think they are called. The controller feels a bit light sometimes though, not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing.

And now for the main contendor..

Gamecube: The controller just sorta fits in your hand. I think they drew some inspiration for it from SNES and PS2 in the sense of the layout mainly. The shoulder buttons are nicely shaped and everything is in a good place. Personally I'm not too fond of the C-Stick. I always use B + Down to turn 108 degrees in Resident Evil instead of flicking the C-Stick. As with Super Smash Bros Melee. I just don't like the feel of the stick and preferred the N64 of C-Buttons, however I played N64 the other day and it felt very uncomfortable.

But yeah, I think it just depends on the game really. I think Resident Evil works better on Gamecube then PS2, while I think some games wrk best on Xbox and/or PS2.

Too bad Nintendo always changes its controllers. Playstation's controller is perfect, nothing wrong with it, so they kept it.

Playstation's controller is lowest common denominator. You can't even play a dual analog game without having the handles justting into your palm. It's also hard to play for me because the analog stick is so stupidly placed. I'll even take the giant Xbox controller over the PS2 one.

Edit: I still feel the best controller ever was the SNES one though. Playing that thing just feels like coming home.

It's funny your comment about the N64 controller, I thought it was so great back when it came out but I was playing goldeneye again teh other day and the analog stick felt grainy and the whole controller was just too blocky. It also didn't make much sense to have a whole third of a controller wated.

I too thought it was brilliant back in its day. But it just felt really awkward to hold when I was playing Perfect Dark the other day. It just felt really weird, I can't really explain it properly.

I couldn't say what the best controller IS really. After a while, you tend to get used to any of them, but I must say they all suit perfectly for different games. I do like the Gamecube controller though, probably the most, but that doesnt mean it is the best.

There are definitely different strengths and weaknesses for each controller. The Gamecube can't properly play a fighting game if its life depended on it, the D-pad's just too small. The Xbox can't play anything that uses the white and black buttons as action buttons, those things are badly placed on all versions of the controller. The PS2 just isn't well suited towards action adventure or FPS very well but it does the better in its weak areas than the Cube controller.

I think the one place where Gamecube really has competitors bested is first party games. There are few game developers as good and consisitent as Nintendo and all of their games are always exclusive to their own systems. Microsoft has okay first party support but there hasn't been much their first party studios have done that's brilliant outside Halo, not to mention the fact a first party Microsoft studio also makes GBA games. Sony is sorely lacking in first party titles. The only thing they actually make worth playing is Gran Tourismo. They may have a huge amount of third party support but if that were to dry up they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

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Keyboard+mouse are for shooters. Not some lousy Xbox controller.

Originally posted by Angelic@Aug 8 2004, 07:36 PM
Keyboard+mouse are for shooters. Not some lousy Xbox controller.
I prefer controller.

controllers will never have the speed and accuracy (sp) of a mouse.

Originally posted by Angelic@Aug 8 2004, 08:13 PM
controllers will never have the speed and accuracy (sp) of a mouse.
I probably agree. But I still prefer controller. Feels much more comfortable.

I can't go against that. Anyway, this is off-topic X_X sorry about that

..back to Gamecube goodness...

What about the look of the Gamecube? I think the Gamecube looks the best out of all of three of the next-gen consoles. It's small, and rather stylish, especially in Jet Black. That's my opinon anyway.

I agree, the xbox is just a plain ugly piece of plastic (and also looks like that) while the PS2 just looks kind of.. cheap, especially the little buttons on the front.

The gamecube looks cute, stylish and doesn't need a lot of space to do its job.

Originally posted by Angelic@Aug 8 2004, 09:15 PM
I agree, the xbox is just a plain ugly piece of plastic (and also looks like that)
I wouldn't necesserily say that. Indeed the Xbox is rather big, unusually big to do it's job actually, but I don't think it looks ugly. All of the image aside, Xbox is very good. I have no idea why everyone just bags it out as they do. Probably havent even played one.


..while the PS2 just looks kind of.. cheap, especially the little buttons on the front.
I agree, it's image could definetly have looked alot better. I kinda feel that it wears really fast. I know mine is pretty old but it just seemds to wear quickly. Maybe because it attracts the most dust the most quickly, even if I play it often.

Maybe we should have Xbox and PS2-esque threads to mimic this one, and they could be pinned or something, so general chat about each of them could be said in each respective thread. Just an idea.

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I like the look of the GCN and the Xbox for one reason. The Gamecube is my favourite look (I even have the purple one) but even the Xbox has character. It seems like Sony was just trying to make a design that no one would dislike but really wasn't good enough looking for anyone to like all that much either. I've never had trouble with the Gamecube's loading system but I can see where others might. I like it because it still feels like a console. When I put a game into a console I want it to feel a bit like putting in a cartridge, not like putting a CD in a computer.

Edit: usually any versus thread will degenerate into flames pretty quickly. There isn't anything wrong with comparing the Gamecube to the other two systems here so just avoid talking about the other systems' games specifically and it should be fine.

I think the PS2 looks more stylish than the X-box though...

It definitely looks more stylish, but it just looks random hi-tech gadget stylish, it doesn't really look like a console to me. The Xbox looks like the horrible product of a bad adolecent male focus group but it's so big and so ugly that it has character.

Originally posted by Harv@Aug 9 2004, 12:49 AM
That never works! I would suggest renaming this thread "Gamecube's, Xbox's and PS2's" or something but that sounds like a versus type thread.
Why doesn't it work? We haven't tried yet. I reckon cramming them into one thread would be worse cause it will just turn into Flame Wars 2004.

"NoO1O`1`~!! XboxXX siIST THE beSTSests!!"

Maybe I've just been on gamers forums too long and I'm slightly jaded. Okay then, but I'd prefer the opening of a new thread to the changing of the Gamecube one. I also think it would be nice for each system to have its own thread, mainly to talk about its games and things specific to it. I just find it easier to post about a new game in a more casual setting like a general discussion then having to make a new thread for it.

Originally posted by Elite666@Aug 9 2004, 03:25 PM
Maybe I've just been on gamers forums too long and I'm slightly jaded. Okay then, but I'd prefer the opening of a new thread to the changing of the Gamecube one. I also think it would be nice for each system to have its own thread, mainly to talk about its games and things specific to it. I just find it easier to post about a new game in a more casual setting like a general discussion then having to make a new thread for it.
I totally agree. That's what I was proposing in the first place.

im not so fond of the gamecube.... it still lacks tech cpecs.... man ever tried to play phantasy star online with 4 players in the level mine3 (or2)?!?!?! massive frame drops....... next to that the gaphics are too simple, if you look at SSBM it looks all cool and stuff but then you zoom in its not so spectaculair as it seems if you would look at the game engine, and another thing, the wind waker.... pfff like cellshade takes any graphical memory...... cell shade is the most easiest way of make grapics..... if you would compare it with doom 3 you graphic card would constantly be on a haeavy work load cause of the shiny bumpmapped sprites and such... things i rarely see on gamecube.... metroid prime did some decent work though but im not so fond of shooters with controllers but that's not the point.. the graphics were very nice though...... still I rather have an xbox....... wich i have :P..... and as for PS2... kickass games but you gotta hate the highass loadtimes in some games

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Originally posted by Defrag@Aug 9 2004, 01:47 AM
im not so fond of the gamecube.... it still lacks tech cpecs.... man ever tried to play phantasy star online with 4 players in the level mine3 (or2)?!?!?! massive frame drops....... next to that the gaphics are too simple, if you look at SSBM it looks all cool and stuff but then you zoom in its not so spectaculair as it seems if you would look at the game engine, and another thing, the wind waker.... pfff like cellshade takes any graphical memory...... cell shade is the most easiest way of make grapics..... if you would compare it with doom 3 you graphic card would constantly be on a haeavy work load cause of the shiny bumpmapped sprites and such... things i rarely see on gamecube.... metroid prime did some decent work though but im not so fond of shooters with controllers but that's not the point.. the graphics were very nice though...... still I rather have an xbox....... wich i have :P..... and as for PS2... kickass games but you gotta hate the highass loadtimes in some games
As for the detail, that isn't a system's fault it's only the developers of a game who decide that. I suggest you look to Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 0 or the Remake or Watch a few videos of the upcoming Zelda and Resident Evil 4 if you want to see detail. As for the cel-shading, it actually is harder to do than realism from both a technological and an artistic standpoint if done in the Wind Waker style. Some of the effects from WW have also never really been copied by another game like the perfect flame effect with the proper heat warping and the motion blur effect where clarity is dependant on proximity. I'm not saying you should automatically like Winda Waker's graphics but they weren't a cop out on Nintendo's part. Oh, and bump mapping actually is a technique designed to save stress on teh hardware and make simple textures look good easily. It doesn't put a heavy load on a system and it's amazing that some games like Metroid Prime wre done completely without bump mapping.

Originally posted by Elite666@Aug 10 2004, 01:10 AM
As for the detail, that isn't a system's fault it's only the developers of a game who decide that. I suggest you look to Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 0 or the Remake or Watch a few videos of the upcoming Zelda and Resident Evil 4 if you want to see detail.
I concur. As a regular gamer of all three systems, I have yet to be impressed as much as I was when I put in the disc for "Resident Evil Zero". It totally blew me away, and was very suprised cause here I am thinking that Gamecube is the weakest out of the lot. Both Zero and REmake were absolutely stunning, and have seen nothing else to compare them to, expect Resident Evil 4. The new Legend of Zelda, for which Elite shared us the link to the trailer, looks amazing as well.

If it's a graphical problem, I don't see whats your deal. Maybe because Nintendo doesn't do as many teenager/adult games as the other systems, the limit of Gamecube graphical power hasn't been entirely noticed.

Resident Evil 4 may sure rock the boat though...

Except all the PS2 fanboys still say MGS3 looks better. They're completely wrong of course but I really think the only thing people will ever agree on on the Cube is that the new Zelda game rocks (assuming it ends up rocking of course). Zelda seems to be one of the few games that actually ends up getting kudos from everyone. Wind Waker was an exception because of its controversial graphics but considering how good Zelda looks so far I can't see anyone complaining on that front. It could be released with the graphics in the trailer and I'd be happy.

I've been mainly surprised how the Xbox doesn't seem to get many titles that push it's hardware. Although it may not seem it I do play on all three systems fairly regularly and it just seems the Xbox is capable but it's being ignored. Everyone seems more concerned with trying to make the PS2 graohics as good as the Cube's and the Xbox'. The standard should really be decided by the most powerful system not the weakest one.

Some interesting rumors today that I feel like commenting on. The first one being the supposed leaked specs of the Revolution (the successor to the Cube). It's said to have a 15 GB hard drive a 800 Mhz graphics processor and a revolutionary modem. The hard drive is interesting because so far it looks like the Revolution is the only next-gen system that will have a hard drive at all. The modem is interesting (but unlikely) because ninteno constantly stands by the ascertation that online gaming isn't profitable. The rumor also mentions that all three major franchises (Zelda, Mario, Metroid) will be available at or near to launch.

The other rumor going around shows that Rare still can't help but start nintendo rumors. It's rumored that Killer Instinct will be making an appearance on the GBA soon. This isn't too farfetched because Rare currently has multiple projects in developement for GBA. Here (http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=5504) is the start of that rumor.

That was a long post, and slightly off topic but good times.

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Well, that was an official screenshot and there isn't any real proof that that's a Killer Instinct playing on the GBA. Also, Rare has continued working on multiple GBA games even after Microsoft bought them. Microsoft doesn't publish these games but still get money from it so why would they complain. I doubt they want a whole bunch of 2d games on the Xbox so whre elso do you put them. Rare has even started new game projects on the GBA so obviously their love of Nintendo isn't gone. This also points to the fact that Microsoft has no plans to enter the handheld market because if they were, they would save these games instead of allowing them to be released in the GBA.

Edit: By the way, you're link says no Rare for the DS, this doesn't mean no Rare for Nintendo. Also, PG may doctor photos (although I've had no reason to doubt them before) but IGN (http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/537/537914p1.html) certainly does not.

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It's completely true. There's proof either already released or going to be released soon in the form of "Sabrewulf". As for Goldeneye, Rare has very few of the team members left that created Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Most of them went on to form the company Free Radical which makes the Timesplitters series and is releasing a game called Second Sight fairly soon. I think Rare still has a little up its sleeve though since both Conker and Kameo look quite good. PD0 looks stupid though, really, cel-shaded cartoony graphics and a "well-endowed" long haired Joanna Dark? That just doesn't work. To be fair to Rare, they were sucking it up with Nintendo for a few years too. Starfox Adventures? Not a horrible game but not Nintendo quality by any stretch of the imagination.

Edit: You might be interested to know of the poor excuse of a Goldeneye sequel EA is making. Or maybe more interested to know of the Goldeneye being made for Nintendo DS. (four player wireless Goldeneye).

Why would M$ mind Rare making games for the GBA? They don't have any system of their own in that market anyway.

They could have a problem with it in the way that it decreases resources available to Xbox games. MS did want five games in two years from Rare (they obviously don't know Rare very well) but they're probably making more money off the GBA games since the GBA has such a huge user base. If they were just publishing the game too they'd be making a fortune off the GBA.

More or less I agree with you, they stand very little to lose this way.

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whats a ds???

Down the page somewhere ther's a DS thread. It has links to all the information you need.

Edit: Here's (http://forums.ichigos.com/index.php?showtopic=1064) the thread.

One thing I really like about the cube is the spring loaded disk a thingy. Better than electronic disk opener. It doesn't have to be on to get your disk out and your CD won't get stuck when the tray's closing and explode your whole house!

Originally posted by MoetheChicken@Aug 16 2004, 12:52 PM
One thing I really like about the cube is the spring loaded disk a thingy. Better than electronic disk opener. It doesn't have to be on to get your disk out and your CD won't get stuck when the tray's closing and explode your whole house!
Yeah, but the Gamecube has to have enough room to allow it to open. You can't place it in a small cabinet space and the like.

Fuck, I hate this 'edited by' thing.