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Gamewiz
January 27th, 2007, 03:45 am
Ok, so I recently finished this game and fell in love with one of the songs. I've looked fairly hard on google but haven't been able to find even a hint of there being any sheet music at all for Tales of the Abyss. Anyway, I'm looking for the song 'Mirrors', it's a chime version of the main theme 'Karma' by Bump of Chicken. If you can find either that would be great, though I would prefer 'Mirrors'. Oh, and in case any of this counts, the artist is Motoo Fujiwara and I can also look for a midi version if needed.

Gamewiz
February 9th, 2007, 01:59 am
Bump. Anyone? I want it for the piano by the way, though if you can find anything at all at this point that would be great.

zero_ice
February 12th, 2007, 06:40 pm
I've also been looking for some sheet music- in particular the "meaning of birth". I found videos on youtube.com but the guy who did only arranged it by ear so therefore no sheet music, and it doesn't seem like he's going to try either. Here are the links:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TAyFzwfWPbw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M3Hyqflhy7k

First one is with a keyboard and is much easier to see what notes are being played. The second link is one he performed on the piano. Would greatly appreciate it if someone could have a go at transcribing it. The song being performed is "The meaning of birth"

zero_ice
February 13th, 2007, 12:47 pm
By the way, I can supply the mp3 for Meaning of Birth as well as some others should they be needed.

Iruren
February 13th, 2007, 01:50 pm
Anyway, I'm looking for the song 'Mirrors', it's a chime version of the main theme 'Karma' by Bump of Chicken. If you can find either that would be great, though I would prefer 'Mirrors'.

I love this song too! I'm also looking for it, but it really is hard to find. So I tried figuring out the notes. I think I have the first part of the song.
But the problem is, I don't know how to write them down in notes..I suck in that.


Oh, and in case any of this counts, the artist is Motoo Fujiwara and I can also look for a midi version if needed.

I suggest, if you can find the midi, I think you can request it at the "Taking requests for any Game/Anime piece and have a MIDI of it." thread.
I couldn't find the midi itself..that's why I haven't requested it at all.
(Sorry...I'm not much of a help)

PS: Don't double post, use the edit button. (Double posting isn't well appreciated here at ichigo's ;) )

Gamewiz
February 13th, 2007, 11:10 pm
About that midi. . . I said that I could find it before I even started looking, thinking 'oh, it will be easy to find'. I ended up looking afterwards and. . .nada. I couldn't find it either. I'm able to pick out the melody pretty easily by myself, but it just sounds so much nicer with cords and stuff. I can also supply an mp3 version of 'Mirrors', but wasn't sure if I was allowed to so I didn't mention it before.

Iruren
February 14th, 2007, 10:35 am
About that midi. . . I said that I could find it before I even started looking, thinking 'oh, it will be easy to find'. I ended up looking afterwards and. . .nada. I couldn't find it either. I'm able to pick out the melody pretty easily by myself, but it just sounds so much nicer with cords and stuff.

Yeah, midi files are often hard to find..
And about the notes that I'm trying to figure out, I didn't mean the melody by it, but rather the piano accompaniment. I've just figured the very first part though..
So, it's not much and I'm stuck right now..I really hope I could help you more... :\

tanonev
February 14th, 2007, 04:42 pm
The reason midis are hard to find is that (usually) someone has to transcribe them before they can make the midi. Once you've found a midi, people here can "reverse engineer" it to get back the original transcription.

As for Tales of the Abyss music, I'm afraid I don't have any of the above, nor am I working on them; however, I'm slowly working my way through "The Look of that Day," and when I'm done, I could start working on one of these :) (That could take a long time though, so any other transcriber, feel free to claim them.)

Keiichii_Kun
February 15th, 2007, 06:42 pm
Maybe you can try downloading a program that lets you rip the song from the ps2 game disc. It will be in .Wav format. You can then try and get a program that lets you conrvet that file to midi. The only programs I've ever found that converts mp3 or wav to midi costs money though.

Gamewiz
February 20th, 2007, 12:22 am
Thanks for the suggestion Keiichii_Kun, unfortunately I doubt I could do that myself. Is there anyone out there used to turning .wavs into .midis? It would be great if you could work on it Tanonev, I don't care if it takes a while, as long as it gets transcribed eventually. :)

Hot_Gimmick
February 23rd, 2007, 09:15 pm
i have the notes so message me if u want them ok.

TrainXIII
March 10th, 2007, 04:27 pm
just post your notes here.. it should be for the benefit of everyone

KuroInko
March 14th, 2007, 12:12 am
LOL DOES ANYONE HAVE IT?!

Iruren
March 14th, 2007, 11:32 am
No, not yet. (At least I think so)


As for Tales of the Abyss music, I'm afraid I don't have any of the above, nor am I working on them; however, I'm slowly working my way through "The Look of that Day," and when I'm done, I could start working on one of these :) (That could take a long time though, so any other transcriber, feel free to claim them.)

So, according to tanonev's reply, we're still waiting for someone to transcribe it.
So, we have to be patient.... :)

KitsuneSqueak
March 14th, 2007, 11:41 pm
I could try my hand at Mirrors when I have time. (Maybe this weekend?) It's been some time since I've transcribed a complete song, but Mirrors isn't too complicated.

Iruren
March 15th, 2007, 05:25 am
That would be great! And yeah, Mirrors is actually not that complicated, but somehow it's hard to figure out the piano part...(the fact that I can't transcribe may have something to do with it.. :heh: )
Anyways, thanks!

KitsuneSqueak
March 16th, 2007, 08:51 pm
Okay so.

I had to merge the piano into the left hand, because in the original, the xylophone or whatever plays the melody, while the piano does the harmony. Because of that, the harmony is one octave lower.

But, anyway, here's Mirrors. I'm sorry it's in .mus format, I don't have a converter to convert to .pdf. If someone could convert it, I'd love them forever.

Mirrors (http://www.fighting-dreamer.com/ksqueak/Mirrors.MUS)

Also, when you play the song, some notes will clash. That's actually supposed to happen, which might have been a reason why it was a bit harder to transcribe: It doesn't sound right, but it is, and when you listen to the mp3 closely, you can tell.

I hope it's okay~

ChristopherArmalite
March 18th, 2007, 10:36 pm
The melody line for Tear's Fonic Hymn (Or "Grand Fonic Hymn" if you prefer) is posted on footile's video. Though the counter melody isn't :\

KitsuneSqueak
March 20th, 2007, 12:29 am
Mirrors (http://www.fighting-dreamer.com/ksqueak/Mirros.MUS)

Sorry for the wait. The xylophone and piano parts were merged together. Some clashing occurs, but that's in the actual song, so it's not incorrect. Sorry for the .mus format, I don't have a converter. I hope the transcription is good.

KitsuneSqueak
March 20th, 2007, 12:31 am
Uhm...I posted it before but it disappeared.

Mirrors (http://www.fighting-dreamer.com/ksqueak/Mirrors.mus)

Sorry for the wait. It's the xylophone and piano part merged. There's some clashing, but it's in the song so it's not wrong. If you level out the right and left hand it actually fits in perfectly. Sorry for the .mus format, I don't have a converter. Enjoy..?

Tails_Kitsune
March 20th, 2007, 12:38 am
Well, I think just about anyone could do this, but... :sweat:

I've got the basics of Grand Fonic Hymn attached. The bass is...uhh..."under progress"...yeah, that. Actually, I was thinking of just doing some simple single/half notes for the bass on the first time through the melody, since that's what it sounds like in the MP3. However, I'm a transcribing nub, and writing sheet music for footile's performance (bass part, 2nd time through) is way out of my league. :heh:

Perhaps someone with more musical talent than myself could perhaps give it a shot? I'm going to work on a simple bass for the first playthrough, but if anyone wants to give the 1st and 2nd playthroughs a shot, please do so!

Edit: After watching the video again, I may have an idea of what he does! But, it's much too late to start transcribing now. As soon as school lets out tomorrow, I'll try to do the full-fledged bass part that footile does in his video. No promises it'll be correct, though. :sweat:

Edit2: Removed attachment.

Sondagger
March 20th, 2007, 01:48 am
Uhm...I posted it before but it disappeared.


When a new member gives a link in a post/thread, that post/thread is sent to be moderated by the moderators. It helps cut down on spam. Sorry for the wait, I try to moderate threads/posts as often as possible.

Tails_Kitsune
March 20th, 2007, 02:15 am
Awesome job, KitsuneSqueak! I just listened to it and I love it! I was going to learn FFVII's Main Theme, but I believe Mirrors now takes top priority. :P

Very nice job.

ChristopherArmalite
March 20th, 2007, 02:50 am
Can anyone make that into a PDF?

EDIT: Both Mirrors and Tear's Fonic Hymn XD

Tails_Kitsune
March 20th, 2007, 09:29 pm
Here's an (updated?) version of Grand Fonic Hymn. It has the bass for the 2nd playthrough. Though, I must admit that it was pretty much impossible to copy footile's performance. I basically watched it a few times, guessed at what he did, and then tried it myself.

I have not played this on my keyboard yet, just made a .mus file for it. (Attached) If anyone has any changes you'd like to make, please do so, and re-post it. My music theory knowledge is next to squat, so I've likely screwed up multiple times. :heh: I'm actually quite embarrased to even post this...

ChristopherArmalite, I'm afraid I don't have a PDF converter on hand. If I have time, I'll try to do that later today or tomorrow, if someone else hasn't already.

Edit: removed attachment.

Tails_Kitsune
March 21st, 2007, 07:15 pm
Sorry for the double post...I don't believe you can add attachments by editing posts.

I worked a little more on Grand Fonic Hymn. It's probably not even close to footile, but I believe it sounds better.

Some notes were changed slightly (a step or two) and the bass was changed to all eighth notes rather than all quarter notes. Though this doesn't seem to be what footile does in his video, it actually sounds closer to his performance than my first attempt. Or maybe I'm just sleep deprived. ^_^

Either way, here's a second attempt. I believe it sounds better and more accurate than my previous attachment.

Edit: removed attachment. Newer version in a later post.

^^{[alexis von fabre]}^^
April 6th, 2007, 07:01 am
hey couls someone please , transform the mirrors archive, into another format, cuase mi comp , doesn't want to read it

Gamewiz
April 9th, 2007, 01:48 pm
YAY! Somebody did it! Heh, sorry I entirely forgot about this place for a while. Now to figure out how to either read .mus, or change it into .pdf. Hmm. . .

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Tails_Kitsune
April 12th, 2007, 12:16 am
YAY! Somebody did it! Heh, sorry I entirely forgot about this place for a while. Now to figure out how to either read .mus, or change it into .pdf. Hmm. . .

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

.mus files can be read with Finale NotePad. The newest version (2007) is completely free and can be downloaded from Finale's website. Can't remember it off the top of my head, but if you google "Final NotePad" it should be one of the first links.

I don't have a PDF converter. x_x

On a side note, I'm still working on perfecting Grand Fonic Hymn. I know the bass in the sheet I posted has to be wrong in places, as it just sounds weird to me. I've been learning Mirrors (thanks, KitsuneSqueak!) and I've promised myself to learn a song right after. But, after that, I plan to mess around on the keyboard and see if I can't get Grand Fonic Hymn's bass to sound correct. :sweat:

Iruren
April 17th, 2007, 07:34 pm
Thank you so much for transcribing these pieces! (Sorry, my reply comes in so late...been busy IRL x_x). And sorry..I can't helped with converting it to .pdf (don't know how)..

Tails_Kitsune
April 24th, 2007, 10:39 pm
Sadly, I've finally gotten the chance to sit down and take a second look at Grand Fonic Hymn, and I've made little progress. -_-

I decided to open up my scale repetoire and find which scale footile uses in his performances, and from what I can tell, it's just C Major, which doesn't really help me much. I still haven't fiddled with it on my keyboard personally, but the bass still just sounds wrong on Finale NotePad.

The bass I've written seems boring :heh: but that seems to be the same bass footile uses in his video. Either way, I think this'll probably be my last stab at replicating footile's performances.

Here's one last shot at Grand Fonic Hymn. The bass sounds slightly better, I think. Namco's lyrics for the Grand Fonic Hymn are included on the first go-round, for those who like to sing while playing. :sweat:

Edit: Note, this "arrangement" if you will is still very rough. I would personally recommend Mystearica's (Page 5)

Gamewiz
May 7th, 2007, 09:38 pm
YAAY! I've officially converted Mirrors into .pdf format. Now to do the Grand Fonic Hymn! I'll probably end up editing this post with it later. Anyway, enjoy! And many many thanks for the music, it's beautiful!

tanonev
May 7th, 2007, 09:44 pm
I know no one has actually requested this, but if anyone wants The Look of that Day (the song that plays when the credits roll), you can get it here (http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=6574&page=8) :)

Zeldarulah
May 8th, 2007, 11:11 pm
I was searching for the sheet music for Meaning of Birth+Karma, could someone please, I beg of you, make me, and the other people who desperatly want one, a sheet music version? Thank you very much in advance.

I don't like Mirror that much, and Grand Fonic Hymn is alright, but I'll try em out anyway. Thank you.

Tails_Kitsune
May 9th, 2007, 01:43 am
I was searching for the sheet music for Meaning of Birth+Karma, could someone please, I beg of you, make me, and the other people who desperatly want one, a sheet music version? Thank you very much in advance.

I don't like Mirror that much, and Grand Fonic Hymn is alright, but I'll try em out anyway. Thank you.

If you decide to play Grand Fonic Hymn, and find some parts of the song that just sound plain wrong, please post which measure. I tried to mimic a video performance done on YouTube, and there's a huge chance that something is wrong in the bass.

I am currently trying to find time to do Meaning of Birth. Footile (at YouTube) has several ToA performances, one of which being Meaning of Birth. His right-hand part is extremely similar to KitsuneSqueak's Mirrors, and the bass doesn't seem to change around too much. Only problem: the video and audio is off, so what I hear isn't what I see.

I'm finishing up school (will be done on the 16th) but I may have time to try it this weekend.

Zeldarulah
May 9th, 2007, 08:53 pm
If you decide to play Grand Fonic Hymn, and find some parts of the song that just sound plain wrong, please post which measure. I tried to mimic a video performance done on YouTube, and there's a huge chance that something is wrong in the bass.

I am currently trying to find time to do Meaning of Birth. Footile (at YouTube) has several ToA performances, one of which being Meaning of Birth. His right-hand part is extremely similar to KitsuneSqueak's Mirrors, and the bass doesn't seem to change around too much. Only problem: the video and audio is off, so what I hear isn't what I see.

I'm finishing up school (will be done on the 16th) but I may have time to try it this weekend.

I'm not that good at Piano, but I played through it right hand at a bit slower than it should be (but hey I've only had the piece for a day and only tried it a bit) but in the right hand everything seems to be right, good job, I tried Mirrors a little bit but it just sounds a bit off... I guess just because normally it's played with bells.

[Edit:] Yeah I've added Footile to my subscribed list, I've watched almost all of his videos, he's really good.

Tails_Kitsune
May 9th, 2007, 10:09 pm
Alright, I've found out just how much of a transcribing newb I am. :heh:

Here's a picture of the opening of Meaning of Birth:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/Tails257/Pictures/MeaningOfBirth.jpg

You can find footile's video (the same one I'm using to transcribe) at this URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAyFzwfWPbw
(EDIT: See that gray-ish note in the 3rd measure of the left-hand? That's not really supposed to be there...that's just where my mouse was when I took a screen capture, I guess. ^_^ )

Okay, so far, I believe all is correct. The very bottom notes are guesses, since I can't see his pinky in the video, but it sounds correct. Now, the rest of the song (except for a few select measures) is played with those same exact chords found in the opening that I did.

Problem: I'm a transcribing newb and I can't get the timing correct after the opening. :sweat: Could anyone else possibly try to continue on with Meaning of Birth? The notes are the same as the chords, they're just played one-at-a-time after the opening. Almost all the notes you need for the bass are in the opening.

I simply can not get the bass to work correctly, so I'm gonna have to pass this along to someone else... :\

jake102
May 9th, 2007, 11:10 pm
I hope you can finish it :D:D:D I love that song, it is the best song on the game tbh :)

Zeldarulah
May 9th, 2007, 11:40 pm
Trust me, I'm much more of a newb at this than you.

AngelicFury
May 10th, 2007, 05:05 am
Sweet Someone finally started it yays :D

Tails_Kitsune
May 11th, 2007, 08:26 pm
I really hate to burst everyone's bubble, but footile is driving me up a wall with his left-hand part.

I went back and tried the bass again. I deleted my progress from yesterday, and started anew, hoping that would fix something. I think I've played footile's video hundreds of times over the past few hours. @_@ His bass just doesn't seem to fit into the sheet music. (Then again, he said he doesn't use sheet music...)

I really hate to quit stuff when I start it, but this is way over my league. Grand Fonic Hymn was hard for me :blush: and Meaning of Birth is much faster paced. There are some very talented transcribers here at Ichigo's, but I'm not one of them.

**If anyone else is interested in trying, I'll post what I've done in Finale so far. If you don't have Finale, but you want to give this a whirl, PM me and I'll just get screencaps and PM you the notes I've gotten so far. I really wish I could transcribe this piece, as so many people here are asking for it...but, as of right now, I simply cannot transcribe this piece. :(

tanonev
May 11th, 2007, 11:03 pm
Hmm...I kinda like his arrangement, so I might be able to take over the transcription project. Do you guys mind if I change some of the harmonies though (i.e., back towards the original)? He, er, strays a little too far from the music towards the end (the problem with improvised music is that harmonic discrepancies creep in slowly; compare my transcription vs. my arrangement of Fighting of the Spirit for an example), and I'd like to keep it close to the original.

Zeldarulah
May 12th, 2007, 03:55 am
Ehh... as long as it sounds roughly the same I won't mind. Good try anyway Tails.

Tails_Kitsune
May 12th, 2007, 05:07 pm
Hmm...I kinda like his arrangement, so I might be able to take over the transcription project. Do you guys mind if I change some of the harmonies though (i.e., back towards the original)? He, er, strays a little too far from the music towards the end (the problem with improvised music is that harmonic discrepancies creep in slowly; compare my transcription vs. my arrangement of Fighting of the Spirit for an example), and I'd like to keep it close to the original.

That wouldn't bother me at all. I noticed, especially in his piano version, he does a lot of improvising toward the end of the melody. Best of luck, Tanonev, and thank you so much. It seemed like an easy piece to transcribe... until I started. :sweat: I'm still very new to this, and I've learned my lesson.

Soad233
May 13th, 2007, 08:19 am
I attempted to throw in the left hand chords. The left hand is improvised so i wasn't sure on how to write it so just make it up based off of the chords, thats what i do. Most of the chords should be right but i know there are a couple in there that are off. I wrote it in the key of G flat becuase it was the first way that i played it, and it would be harder for me to get use to the sharp key. I also attached my version of the intro, the part that the guitars play.

Kaito-Chin
May 13th, 2007, 08:55 am
Anyone got vocals and lyrics for Karma?
It sounds so good :3

Tails_Kitsune
May 14th, 2007, 01:54 am
http://www.centigrade-j.com/translations/karma_bumpofchicken.htm

It has the romanji at the bottom of the page, and a translation at the top. Not sure how accurate the translation is, since I don't speak Japanese. :sweat:

jake102
May 14th, 2007, 07:37 pm
The Meaning of Birth
omg.. after listening to the mp3 a few times that i downloaded... it would be awesome, if there was a full score:D
It sounds like there is a flute doing the melody, backed up by bass and trumpets.. and certianly violins!
haha a full score of the meaning of birth... that would be awesome. I would teach my band that when i graduate from University and become a music teacher :D it would certainly blow the crowd away in my opinion.

Zeldarulah
May 15th, 2007, 12:09 am
I attempted to throw in the left hand chords. The left hand is improvised so i wasn't sure on how to write it so just make it up based off of the chords, thats what i do. Most of the chords should be right but i know there are a couple in there that are off. I wrote it in the key of G flat becuase it was the first way that i played it, and it would be harder for me to get use to the sharp key. I also attached my version of the intro, the part that the guitars play.

Oh wow I never saw this, I'm gonna have to try it.

Eh, it's alright it just sounds a bit off. Because of the chords mostly.

Soad233
May 15th, 2007, 06:37 am
Yea, usually when i play the song, I never play with the same chords. I'm unsure about the chords in the transition from the verse going into the chorus. Usually when i play, I always end up playing something different in the part. If anyone can figure out the exact chords it would be helpful.

ChristopherArmalite
May 17th, 2007, 01:39 am
Alright, I've found out just how much of a transcribing newb I am. :heh:

Here's a picture of the opening of Meaning of Birth:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/Tails257/Pictures/MeaningOfBirth.jpg

You can find footile's video (the same one I'm using to transcribe) at this URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAyFzwfWPbw
(EDIT: See that gray-ish note in the 3rd measure of the left-hand? That's not really supposed to be there...that's just where my mouse was when I took a screen capture, I guess. ^_^ )


Where'd you find that one? I'm curious XD

Tails_Kitsune
May 17th, 2007, 12:24 pm
Actually, that's my attempt at transcribing Meaning of Birth. I opened up Finale NotePad and just tried to write down the notes footile used in his performance. I got through about the first verse, but the only part the turned out 100% correct was the opening, which is the posted image.

Rather than posting the entire MUS file, I decided to just take a screen cap of the opening I transcribed, and post it here. Unfortunately, my lack of transcribing experience catches up with me after the opening, and it all just kind of jarbled together. :sweat:

miken-chan
May 23rd, 2007, 01:52 am
I tried starting Meaning of birth...that didn't turn out so well, so I'm working on a much easier transcription (Lloyd - Tales of Symphonia OST)

jake102
May 24th, 2007, 07:01 pm
Someone should try making a full score.. haha im too lazy and i cant do it :P
lol include:
1st,2nd and 3rd trumpet it sounds like
Definitely a flute..
a clarinet
bells
oboe
i think i heard some trombones, and tubas
and definitely violins
and drums...

i prolly missed a few instruments... but then again, you can always add others and they can have the same part as other instruments :\

Zeldarulah
June 8th, 2007, 09:34 pm
I've been gone for awhile, but I really want to be able to play this song, unfortunatly I have no talent, nor any ability at all to transcribe. Can someone please transcribe "Meaning of Birth?"

Also whats the name of that song that it plays when you fight the last boss (no spoilers :P)

ChristopherArmalite
June 8th, 2007, 10:31 pm
The song, which is the instrumental/orchestra to the Grand Fonic Hymn, is called "Finish the Promise"
I'm also looking for orchestra sheets to Finish the Promise XD

Zeldarulah
June 9th, 2007, 05:10 pm
The song, which is the instrumental/orchestra to the Grand Fonic Hymn, is called "Finish the Promise"
I'm also looking for orchestra sheets to Finish the Promise XD

Not just Grand Fonic Hymn, it's also "Abyss" the song played int he opening, and from "Karma" at certain points, but mostly Grand Fonic Hymn. Indeed, I'm also looking for Finish The Promise, thats probably the coolest song in there, but from the sound of it it would be much harder to transpose than The Meaning of Birth.

Tails_Kitsune
June 10th, 2007, 12:38 am
I've been gone for awhile, but I really want to be able to play this song, unfortunatly I have no talent, nor any ability at all to transcribe. Can someone please transcribe "Meaning of Birth?"

Tanonev took over the transcription project after I got completely lost. Tanonev is pretty busy, so it may be a while. Patience is a virtue. ^_^ If anyone can transcribe Meaning of Birth,it's definitely Tanonev.

As for Finish the Promise, there have been several requests on Youtube for footile (the same guy who did Grand Fonic Hymn and Meaning of Birth) to perform Finish the Promise. Maybe that'll come around sometime.

tanonev
June 10th, 2007, 07:03 pm
Both Meaning of Birth and Finish the Promise are on my to-do list (Finish the Promise as 2 pianos, though), but I'm smack-dab in the middle of finals right now. The end of finals will be followed by a six-hour drive home, which will be followed by lots and lots of sleep. After that, those transcriptions should go fairly quickly ;)

Zeldarulah
June 10th, 2007, 10:20 pm
Both Meaning of Birth and Finish the Promise are on my to-do list (Finish the Promise as 2 pianos, though), but I'm smack-dab in the middle of finals right now. The end of finals will be followed by a six-hour drive home, which will be followed by lots and lots of sleep. After that, those transcriptions should go fairly quickly ;)

Bah, you don't have to rush yourself, It's just that I wanted to try and get someone to be working on it, and to my surprise someone already was, thanks in advance.

tanonev
June 18th, 2007, 04:14 am
Done with finals :) I must admit, I didn't really like the later part of footile's arrangement, so the second half deviates quite a bit from his (but remains faithful to the in-game music).

I ran into a problem with Finish the Promise: turns out a couple of measures are in 5/4, and Finale Notepad doesn't support that. I'm thinking about learning NoteEdit to do that one, but that means I'll have to re-enter all of the stuff I've gotten so far =/

Tails_Kitsune
June 18th, 2007, 12:46 pm
I've been wondering which song I want to learn next for a while, but I believe Meaning of Birth just jumped to the top. :lol: It's so tempting for me to drop my current project and just begin playing this.

Thanks so much, Tanonev. Your transcription is very accurate and beautiful.

tanonev
June 22nd, 2007, 12:52 am
NoteEdit and I don't really get along, but I coaxed it into something of a piece of sheet music =/
Finish the Promise: http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?p=362670#post362670

Zeldarulah
June 22nd, 2007, 03:18 am
Yay, I'm going to D/L it now, thanks a lot!

AngelicFury
June 26th, 2007, 05:06 pm
Um .. What do you need to open .mus files? Im used to having things with .pdf

Tails_Kitsune
June 26th, 2007, 05:30 pm
Um .. What do you need to open .mus files? Im used to having things with .pdf

Finale Notepad is used to open .mus files.

The newest version, Notepad 2007, can be found and downloaded for free at Finale's site: http://www.finalemusic.com/notepad/

tanonev
June 26th, 2007, 05:40 pm
I knew I forgot something :heh:

Mystearica
June 28th, 2007, 03:33 pm
If you decide to play Grand Fonic Hymn, and find some parts of the song that just sound plain wrong, please post which measure. I tried to mimic a video performance done on YouTube, and there's a huge chance that something is wrong in the bass.

I am currently trying to find time to do Meaning of Birth. Footile (at YouTube) has several ToA performances, one of which being Meaning of Birth. His right-hand part is extremely similar to KitsuneSqueak's Mirrors, and the bass doesn't seem to change around too much. Only problem: the video and audio is off, so what I hear isn't what I see.

I'm finishing up school (will be done on the 16th) but I may have time to try it this weekend.

Alright, I've been playing piano for 10 years, and I know this is trivial, but I'm a stickler.
The measure that had an accidental should have been written with a Bb instead of an A#. When writing in the key of C major, it is much easier to write in flats [and far more proper], especially if it means not having to write a natural for the next note.

As for the bass line, it should be written in chords. I'm currently developing a version with chords for the bass clef, and with my level of experience I can almost perfectly gaurantee you they'll be correct.

Sorry I'm picky, just thought I'd point it out.

Mystearica
June 28th, 2007, 03:41 pm
Here is my version of the Grand Fonic Hymn. It's not quite finished, but this is just to show Tails Kitsune that the Bb would have looked a bit better.
This version also includes the lyrics in the original language. The words aren't pronounced the way it's written, and if you need help I'll gladly give you the correct way to say/sing them. Also, this is my first composition and I'm sorry but I couldn't seem to erase the extra 4 blank pages the program gave me after I completed writing in the song. :heh: Apologies.

Mystearica
June 28th, 2007, 04:30 pm
I apologize for posting so many times, but I've finished my chorded version of Grand Fonic Hymn. I'm sorry if some of the chords sound funny to those of you who don't really know music all that well but that's how the song put it. Trust me I listened over and over and over again until I got the right chords [or at least the right 3rds of 5ths to add underneath the bass line]

Tails_Kitsune, I'm sorry but you obviously don't know how to write music, so I took it upon myself to rewrite your latest version of the song. PLease don't be offended. I'm doing this for my sake [because I want to play it but I can't in it's current state] and for the sake of others. Again, please don't be offended! >.<

I'm not quite done rearranging yours but I probably will be fairly soon. I mean, the song is only 30 measures the way you wrote it so it shouldn't take long.

Tails_Kitsune
June 29th, 2007, 05:22 pm
Trust me, this isn't the first time I've been told that I'm lacking at musical talent. :heh: I was very, very afraid of even attempting Grand Fonic Hymn, since footile @ YouTube was the only person to have even attempted a transcription at the time, and he didn't create sheet music...he simply posted a video. I tried to see which keys he was pressing, but the audio and video were misaligned, so I got lost rather quickly.

My greatest hopes were that someone would actually come in and polish it up, as you have started to do. My musical theory skills are zip, I'll definitely admit that. Those last three posts you made make absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. :sweat: I know hardly anything about scales, chords, almost nothing about the bass clef, and so on. The only "musical theory" skills I have was from 3 years in middle school band...which, needless to say, is next to squat. I've never claimed to be a great pianist, or a talented transcriptionist, so your statements aren't really insulting me. Music has never been my strong point. However, some of the tone you used while addressing me did make me feel like trash. x_x I'm sure you didn't mean to, but that's how it came across to me...I accept your apology.

As for the mainly blank pages...if you select the Measure Tool (an icon with a whole rest on it) you can select the measures you don't want and press the Delete key and they'll go away. I may not be much help with music, but at least I can help you with the software. :heh:

Again, no hard feelings. Some of the things you said kinda made me hang my head down in shame, but I don't think you meant it to come out that way. Apology accepted. ^_^

Mystearica
June 30th, 2007, 05:47 pm
I'm sorry if you felt bad! >.< I can come across pretty harsh sometimes...especially when it comes to music...

Thanks for the tip about the extra stuff. I just downloaded the program and that was the first song I ever composed or attemped. I can talk big about music but when it comes to this program I'm a newbie so... I appreciate the help! ^.^

I hope I didn't offend you and maybe I can help you in the future with different songs!

Faia Sakura
July 6th, 2007, 06:06 am
Does anyone have Karma sheet music in .pdf form?

Akxas
July 18th, 2007, 03:38 am
yea me too i'm asking for "Karma" on piano and not Meaning of Birth

like it could be different. For example in the beginning with the guitars you could make scales going down? If was able to i'd do it myself and share, but sadly i can't x_x

is it possible to transcribe?
abjillion thnx to anybody who can do this!!!!!!! i owe you my life :P

btw thank you everybody for those other pieces on .pdf!!!!

Keiichii_Kun
July 22nd, 2007, 04:43 pm
Could somebody post a midi of Mirrors and Meaning of Birth Please.
Thnx!

Akxas
July 23rd, 2007, 03:45 am
BTW, Mystearica, do you have a .pdf of the newly updated "Grand Fonic Hymn"? plz and thnx

and does anyone have the guitar tab for "karma"? i've looked everywhere but can't seem to find it

EDIT: Scratch the first thought, I finally downloaded Finale so thank you everybody anyway! gah i'm so newb

alexyang2818
August 8th, 2007, 04:07 am
i also need a pdf of Grand Fonic Hymn :)
if u can upload it it would be great thanx a lot! :D

flames2ashes
September 6th, 2007, 02:34 am
I love all of you omgz.... I'm just now learning how to play the Piano... though so many are ahead of me in class XD; and for my song to learn i wanted to do meaning of birth. i just wanted to say thank you thank you thank you! whoever did it... just omgz thank you...

rubberducky220
September 13th, 2007, 07:05 pm
Thanks a bunch for all the piano pieces. *hugs*

Tails_Kitsune
October 5th, 2007, 01:32 am
and does anyone have the guitar tab for "karma"? i've looked everywhere but can't seem to find it

I have guitar tabs for Karma, though they are in Guitar Pro 5 and Ichigo's does not allow for guitar pro attachments. (.gp5)

If you have Guitar Pro, I can e-mail them to you, if you provide me with an e-mail address. Also, I may be able to work on transferring the tab from Guitar Pro 5 to Finale. It's fairly long, though, and school keeps me busy, so it may be a few days. I'll post the Finale file here on the forums once I'm finished.

flames2ashes
October 5th, 2007, 09:44 pm
Does the sheet music for Happiness in my Hand exist anywhere? >>; itssuchacutesong... musthave...
OR HEY! It would be neat if Crimson Pride had some existing sheet music somewhere....; OTL probably not though...

OR OOOOOOO OVERFLOWING EMOTIONS?!?! ...........; *shot* OK OK I'LL STOP TT___TT

Tails_Kitsune
October 6th, 2007, 07:00 pm
I do wish that more sheet music existed for Tales of the Abyss, flames2ashes, but the only sheet music I've ever seen for Tales of the Abyss exists right here at Ichigo's.

For those who were asking for the guitar tabs...it's finished! I suppose I should have asked which parts you were interested in before I transferred them to Finale, though. x_x The opening and ending is, of course, the guitar part, but the rest is the vocals. I hope that is what you were after, but if not, please let me know which parts you would like.

Some were asking for Karma for piano, but I'm not capable of doing that. :sweat: Sorry...

**I don't take any credit for this arrangement. The original notes were taken from another's arrangement; I simply transferred the tabs from Guitar Pro to Finale for others to view.
**Played in Drop D Tuning. (Tune down 1/2 step)
**I had to use the Glissando Tool to replicate the sliding effect on the guitar. It's not the same, but it's close; it also sounds a tad silly in Finale.
**The chorus can be simplified; if you'd rather not play both notes, you can play just the higher notes within the chorus, and it sounds just fine. Both notes were added for completion, and to stay true to the original author's arrangement.

Violinist of Aquios
October 30th, 2007, 02:16 am
I've only transcribed by ear so far... how do you convert midis to notes in finale??

Tails_Kitsune
October 31st, 2007, 11:48 pm
I've only transcribed by ear so far... how do you convert midis to notes in finale??

As far as I know, there is no quick, easy way to convert a midi to finale.

What I do is to pull up the midi in a program like NoteWorthy Composer. It'll show the notes for the midi, but prints awkwardly unless you purchase the full version.

Once the notes are up in NoteWorthy, it's simply a matter of entering those same notes into Finale. I don't know of any way to click-and-drag; you'll have to enter them manually in Finale.

HammerofWrath
November 1st, 2007, 10:08 pm
Does anyone have Promise in Violin?

I mean, I REALLY want to play that :P

Lololololhi
November 4th, 2007, 01:47 am
Is there anyway to get Karma sheet music for Alto Saxophone? I can never find sheet music for my instrument D: I can read .mus files, because I have finale notepad. -doubts anyone can get it- Piano would be fine, too, I guess. Or handbells, because I play in a group at church who always wants new music.
If not, it's fine, because I have your guitar sheet music... though I'm still learning to play the guitar, so it's a very slow process :c But thanks for that sheet music either way~

IAmNubsquared
November 14th, 2007, 01:29 am
Does anyone have sheet music for the fonic hymn in pdf file?
i really need it

IAmNubsquared
November 15th, 2007, 12:17 am
Never mind i got the fonic hym thing..
But does anybody know who actually like composed the song
I need the composer not just "its from tales of the abyss"

Tails_Kitsune
November 15th, 2007, 06:19 pm
Never mind i got the fonic hym thing..
But does anybody know who actually like composed the song
I need the composer not just "its from tales of the abyss"

There were a few composers who worked on Tales of the Abyss, but I do believe Motoo Fujiwara composed the Grand Fonic Hymn. If that's incorrect, the other composer would be Motoi Sakuraba. I still think it's Motoo Fujiwara, though. :heh:

As for the alto saxophone request, I don't believe I can do that. I don't even know what key the alto is in. x_x I don't have any experience with changing keys for instruments, as I've only played piano and a bit of clarinet, so I wouldn't know how to go about it. I'm sorry I can't help, but maybe a more musically knowledged member can help you...

IAmNubsquared
November 17th, 2007, 03:13 am
i guess Ill just go with Motoo Fujiwara then..
Thx! your great help Tails!=]

Lavilicious~
November 20th, 2007, 08:56 pm
Does anyone have Karma in .pdf? My computer's retarded and won't do .MUS... TT_____TT

Tails_Kitsune
November 22nd, 2007, 02:50 am
Does anyone have Karma in .pdf? My computer's retarded and won't do .MUS... TT_____TT

If you're talking about the Karma I posted, I'm sorry, but...I don't have a PDF for it. x_x

I do have it in Guitar Pro 5, though. If you have that program, I can e-mail it to you, as Ichigo's doesn't allow .gp5 attachments. If someone knows of a way to get a PDF from .mus files, I'd be grateful! I don't know how to do it, though (or if it's possible, though I'm sure there is a way).

Lavilicious~
November 22nd, 2007, 05:06 am
If you're talking about the Karma I posted, I'm sorry, but...I don't have a PDF for it. x_x

I do have it in Guitar Pro 5, though. If you have that program, I can e-mail it to you, as Ichigo's doesn't allow .gp5 attachments. If someone knows of a way to get a PDF from .mus files, I'd be grateful! I don't know how to do it, though (or if it's possible, though I'm sure there is a way).

Mouu~ Not cool. I have some .pdfs if anyone needs them.
~! Mirrors (Karma w/ chimes -piano-)
~! The Look of That Day (Ending theme -piano-)
~! Grand Fonic Hymn (Tear's Vocal song -piano-)
I don't know how to do the links. Actually, I'm pretty sure I do. Nvm. >D

Lavilicious~
November 22nd, 2007, 02:41 pm
Yeah, midi files are often hard to find..
And about the notes that I'm trying to figure out, I didn't mean the melody by it, but rather the piano accompaniment. I've just figured the very first part though..
So, it's not much and I'm stuck right now..I really hope I could help you more... :\

I have the .pdf! Would that work? It's all piano though... D:
GAH! It's sharps! I hate sharps. FLATS.

But I guess there are so many sharps that it really doesn't matter; it's all on the black keys pretty much... >:D

traevam
November 29th, 2007, 02:29 am
Hi guys!!
i'm looking for Tales of Abyss Opening music sheet..
i'm looking for the piano translation part, even the music consists only electric guitar version.. xD
can anyone help me with this?? because i'm trying to listen and play it directly, but it seems that the music is too fast 0_o i can't catch the tune xD
...please help me and thank you !!!

Lavilicious~
November 29th, 2007, 04:25 am
Hi guys!!
i'm looking for Tales of Abyss Opening music sheet..
i'm looking for the piano translation part, even the music consists only electric guitar version.. xD
can anyone help me with this?? because i'm trying to listen and play it directly, but it seems that the music is too fast 0_o i can't catch the tune xD
...please help me and thank you !!!


You could use "Meaning of Birth" or something similar. It has the same tune and should have the same key. I think it's 6 flats/sharps. There are so many it doesn't matter. >D
I can't get the music to you know because I'm on a different computer than the one I normally use and has everything on there. TT_____TT Sorry. D:

Tails_Kitsune
November 29th, 2007, 04:12 pm
Hi guys!!
i'm looking for Tales of Abyss Opening music sheet..
i'm looking for the piano translation part, even the music consists only electric guitar version.. xD
can anyone help me with this?? because i'm trying to listen and play it directly, but it seems that the music is too fast 0_o i can't catch the tune xD
...please help me and thank you !!!

As Lavilicious said, nobody has really made a Karma arrangement for piano. :( There have been several requests here, but I know I personally don't have enough knowledge to do it.

If you're willing to settle for something very similar, Tanonev posted "Meaning of Birth" on the top of page 5 of this topic. The verses, from what I can tell, are pretty much a piano arrangement of Karma. If someone were to do Karma for piano, I believe it would turn out very similar. ^^ Tanonev also included the ending guitar part in his arrangement, so it is very similar to Karma.

Hope this is of help, but as for now, Tanonev's "Meaning of Birth" is the only thing close to Karma. (Can be found on Page 5, in .mus. You'll need Finale Notepad, a free program, to run it. Sounds like Lavilicious has a .PDF though ^^ )

traevam
November 29th, 2007, 05:42 pm
As Lavilicious said, nobody has really made a Karma arrangement for piano. :( There have been several requests here, but I know I personally don't have enough knowledge to do it.

If you're willing to settle for something very similar, Tanonev posted "Meaning of Birth" on the top of page 5 of this topic. The verses, from what I can tell, are pretty much a piano arrangement of Karma. If someone were to do Karma for piano, I believe it would turn out very similar. ^^ Tanonev also included the ending guitar part in his arrangement, so it is very similar to Karma.

Hope this is of help, but as for now, Tanonev's "Meaning of Birth" is the only thing close to Karma. (Can be found on Page 5, in .mus. You'll need Finale Notepad, a free program, to run it. Sounds like Lavilicious has a .PDF though ^^ )

woww thanks a bunch!! well, i tried to hear from youtube and found out the chords, but the melodies are different matter....i'll try to play from the music sheet from tonanev and hear from the video.. thanks again guys!!!

Lavilicious~
November 29th, 2007, 10:24 pm
woww thanks a bunch!! well, i tried to hear from youtube and found out the chords, but the melodies are different matter....i'll try to play from the music sheet from tonanev and hear from the video.. thanks again guys!!!



You're welcome! Even though I didn't do much. : D

the_grimace
December 25th, 2007, 10:58 pm
heres a karma arrangement i did. being a big fan of tales of symphonia for gamecube, i got this game last week for my ps3, and fell in love with the opening. I tranmscribed this up quick, and im working on a video now.

overall, it was very hard to capture the original fullness of the song on piano only, and certain things had to be sacrificed. Though, all and all, im pretty happy of how it came, especially considering theres only so much a piano and one person can do. I hope you enjoy it!

and let me have some feedback on it please. This was one of the hardest arrangements ive done, despuite having arranged 100s of songs already, so ill appreciate it. and oh, MERRY CHRISTMAS!

mysticcage
December 26th, 2007, 12:56 am
does anyone have abyss sheet music for the flute? or at least something with either no flats, one flat, two flats, or three flats (IM NOT VERY GOOD WITH THE SCALE NAMES :P)

Lavilicious~
December 26th, 2007, 06:25 am
OMG. Thank you~ <3

And for mysticcage (a Jade fan I can see... ;D), that's a new one to me. I'll find it! *goes into all victory pose* I haven't heard of anyone wanting "Abyss". As for me, it's reeeeeeeeally repetitive. D:

the_grimace
December 26th, 2007, 05:58 pm
no one has seen my arrangement yet?? :((

Lavilicious~
December 26th, 2007, 06:00 pm
Of... Karma? I saw it! D:
Or are you talking about "Abyss"?

the_grimace
December 26th, 2007, 08:51 pm
oh, i didnt think you saw it. Yea, im talking about karma. I just was hoping for some more feedback on how it was. I thought a lot of people would have responded since it seems to be the most wanted song of this thread. :P

Lavilicious~
December 27th, 2007, 02:16 pm
A "Thank you" and "I love you" only need to be said once. Then again, I never said "I love you." There I said it twice in the paragraph!~ ;D

the_grimace
December 28th, 2007, 02:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya4aqRp_TRY

theres a video of karma. Its ok i guess. as with the arrangement, it was really hard to capture the intensity and emotion of the original on just the piano... so i hope you enjoy!

mysticcage
December 28th, 2007, 11:56 am
its amazing :P
i already downloaded the midi converted it and put it on my ipod =D

Lavilicious~
December 30th, 2007, 05:55 am
I know! Seriously. It's AWESOME. ;D

Rixster
January 4th, 2008, 10:03 am
does anyone have purity? :'D i think it was the bgm of grand cho[something]mah.
i forgot how to spell it. D:

mysticcage
January 4th, 2008, 11:56 am
never heard of purity

the bgm of grand chokmah was called the imperial city ;)

Lavilicious~
January 4th, 2008, 04:00 pm
OMG. I LOOVE GRAND CHOKMAH. :3
I don't have it thoooouuugh. D:
But I love Peony, Jade and Guuuuy~ Especially Guuuuuuuuyyy~! <33333333333

ozette
January 10th, 2008, 06:23 am
tanonev, thank you so much for the Meaning of Birth music. I have been looking for something similar to that one Youtube video for such a long time, and now I finally can play it on my own! :D

Rixster
January 12th, 2008, 04:18 am
oh XD purity was the name of the cd of it for that disc player/music box thing in sheridan tho. thanks anyway. 8D;

PEONY, JADE AND GUY ARE AWESUM. @__@
Asch too. <3 XD

"ooh that icy smile! yes!"

Lavilicious~
January 12th, 2008, 04:33 am
Jade: The promised place is probably in Keterberg. He'll just freeze to death.
Guy: The poor bastard... D:

But yeah. I'm writing up "Promise". You know, the emo version of Karma when Asch "died"? Yeah. That song. It makes me sad. D:

mysticcage
January 13th, 2008, 12:23 am
yay I cant wait to play it :D

Lavilicious~
January 13th, 2008, 01:01 am
You haven' played it yet? WHY ARE YOU HERE?! D:

mysticcage
January 14th, 2008, 09:34 pm
cause flute music is hard to find >_<

Lavilicious~
January 14th, 2008, 10:53 pm
Yeah. I'm kinda procrastinating on it... I got to the part in the beginning where it changes octaves. D: I'm sloooooooooooooow.

mysticcage
January 15th, 2008, 07:09 pm
STOP procrastinating :P

Lavilicious~
January 15th, 2008, 11:10 pm
But... School! D: i hate school wooooork! T________________T

Mizukii
January 19th, 2008, 05:40 am
About that midi. . . I said that I could find it before I even started looking, thinking 'oh, it will be easy to find'. I ended up looking afterwards and. . .nada. I couldn't find it either. I'm able to pick out the melody pretty easily by myself, but it just sounds so much nicer with cords and stuff. I can also supply an mp3 version of 'Mirrors', but wasn't sure if I was allowed to so I didn't mention it before.

the mp3 file can be found @:
http://bluelaguna.net/music/tales-of-the-abyss-ost-soundtrack/mp3s.php

at number: 411

^.^

mysticcage
January 20th, 2008, 01:19 pm
suck it up :P

nah i got exams all this week so i know how you feel



You haven' played it yet? WHY ARE YOU HERE?! D:

I meant playing your composition
OBVIOUSLY ive played abyss :P

Lavilicious~
January 20th, 2008, 05:53 pm
Yeah. I was kinda dying when I said that. D:

JesseYao
January 23rd, 2008, 12:26 am
hey, does anyone have Promise in .pdf?

Lavilicious~
January 23rd, 2008, 12:49 pm
Nuuuos. I'm sorry. I'm writing that up but it could take a while... D:

JesseYao
January 23rd, 2008, 09:54 pm
k thanks ^^. i really wanna play it

Lavilicious~
January 24th, 2008, 01:08 pm
Okies! That's 2 people. Dang it. I actually have to finish it. Like... Soon. D;

KittyKatt9834
February 5th, 2008, 01:35 am
If anyone has or can compose piano sheet music for 'Oracle - Sorrow' for me, it would be greatly appreciated. :] It would work best for me if it was in .pdf, too. Thanks in advance!

Lavilicious~
February 5th, 2008, 10:26 pm
Oh. I can try. >8D < --- Jade.

SO! My list for writing!:
-Promise ( like... 1/4 done D: )
-Oracle -Sorrow- ( I have to listen to it again. D: )

JesseYao
February 9th, 2008, 02:05 pm
okie, ill just keep listening to it on my ipod ^^

Lavilicious~
February 9th, 2008, 04:57 pm
Okies~ Sorry if it will take a while. D:

TheTempest
February 9th, 2008, 08:07 pm
Lol Lavi. In case you haven't notice, you put D: after every sentence xD

Lavilicious~
February 11th, 2008, 12:17 am
All except five. I forst saw it and I was like... OMG. SERIOUSLY?! Then I was counting... ;D

Six now~~

JesseYao
February 17th, 2008, 03:18 am
haha, thats a funny thing to count

Lavilicious~
February 19th, 2008, 04:02 pm
It isss... Even though this is a ToA Forum. ;D

ichigo2191
February 23rd, 2008, 03:46 pm
[QUOTE=the_grimace;389212]heres a karma arrangement i did. being a big fan of tales of symphonia for gamecube, i got this game last week for my ps3, and fell in love with the opening. I tranmscribed this up quick, and im working on a video now.
[QUOTE]

I really want to play this... but I can't open a .sib file. I tried downloading Sibelius Scorch, but it won't work... help?

TheTempest
February 23rd, 2008, 04:31 pm
Here's a MUS version of Karma.

I'm sorry, but I didn't really know who to give credits to, so let's say it's the guy on youtube (the guy who posted here).

^_^

ichigo2191
February 23rd, 2008, 05:05 pm
Thanks!

TheTempest
February 26th, 2008, 04:18 am
Thanks!

No problem.

Glad I could help someone out :P

the_grimace
February 29th, 2008, 01:55 am
thanks for giving me credit in the transcription instead of putting your name on it.

really aprreciate it

Cermella
March 1st, 2008, 06:21 pm
YAAY! I've officially converted Mirrors into .pdf format. Now to do the Grand Fonic Hymn! I'll probably end up editing this post with it later. Anyway, enjoy! And many many thanks for the music, it's beautiful!

You are my hero<3

^_^

Faia Sakura
March 9th, 2008, 06:06 am
Can anyone convert Karma into a .pdf format? My computer is super retarded, and never downloads thing correctly, so it can't read things in .sib or .mus formatting.

JesseYao
March 9th, 2008, 10:55 pm
hey lavilicious, is promise almost done?

Faia Sakura
March 18th, 2008, 03:40 am
I noticed while looking at the attachments, that there isn't Mirrors in a .mp3 format, so here's one that I found on this site in some random music thread, and I feel like posting it just because.

culinaromancer
March 29th, 2008, 02:14 pm
Does anyone have "The Meaning of Birth" in .pdf format? My computer is a weirdo and doesn't like any .MUS and whatnot.

mysticcage
March 29th, 2008, 04:41 pm
download finale notepad 2008

culinaromancer
March 30th, 2008, 01:20 pm
My computer doesn't let me download much. It usually messes up or says "We cannot perform this action" or something. I really need to get a new one. Forget about the Meaning of Birth thing, does anyone have Karma music sheets for .pdf? If not, It's ok. I don't mind.

LaMarionette33
April 20th, 2008, 08:48 am
does anyone have abyss sheet music for the flute? or at least something with either no flats, one flat, two flats, or three flats (IM NOT VERY GOOD WITH THE SCALE NAMES :P)


i saw this..but it still coudn't help me...
do you have the pdf version???your help is appreciatted;)

mysticcage
April 20th, 2008, 06:54 pm
? That quote is old, and I don't get what you want.
Actually, everybody disregard the quote I know how to play music for the flute on anything now >_>

Penance_Anima
April 21st, 2008, 01:53 pm
heres a karma arrangement i did. being a big fan of tales of symphonia for gamecube, i got this game last week for my ps3, and fell in love with the opening. I tranmscribed this up quick, and im working on a video now.

overall, it was very hard to capture the original fullness of the song on piano only, and certain things had to be sacrificed. Though, all and all, im pretty happy of how it came, especially considering theres only so much a piano and one person can do. I hope you enjoy it!

and let me have some feedback on it please. This was one of the hardest arrangements ive done, despuite having arranged 100s of songs already, so ill appreciate it. and oh, MERRY CHRISTMAS!



I can't read sibilius, can you put it in adobe(.pdf) or picture format please?

mysticcage
April 22nd, 2008, 12:59 am
Here's a MUS version of Karma.

I'm sorry, but I didn't really know who to give credits to, so let's say it's the guy on youtube (the guy who posted here).

Here (http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6823&d=1203787797)
^_^

There you go. It's Finale Notepad. Download it or live with it

Penance_Anima
April 24th, 2008, 04:57 pm
@____@ I CAN'T READ NOTEPAD AND NOT ALLOWED TO GET THE SYSTEM!!


I'm so sorry, please be mericful and show it on adobe(.pdf) format.

Forgive my inferiority! >.<

kaosu fujibayashi
April 24th, 2008, 10:29 pm
can you post this in pdf. please!!!

mysticcage
April 24th, 2008, 11:43 pm
Guys I'm really sorry to say this, but most sheet music you'll find on the web is in .mus format. Unless you find kind enough and with the time and effort to do convert it, you won't find any sheets in pdf format. Sorry D=

LaRepth
April 25th, 2008, 06:17 pm
i think i found the sheet music, im not sure if it works yet, cause i dont have adobe. http://www.apollomix.com/sheets.php?series=Tales
you can hear what it sounds like here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya4aqRp_TRY

LaMarionette33
April 25th, 2008, 06:35 pm
I can't read sibilius, can you put it in adobe(.pdf) or picture format please?

yeah same here i want them in pdf too....>.<

the_grimace
May 15th, 2008, 09:12 pm
come on guys. scrorch files arent that bad at all, much easier then MUS imo.

anyway, just download the scorch plugin, and it WILL work!

Penance_Anima
May 30th, 2008, 01:33 pm
The Meaning of Birth
omg.. after listening to the mp3 a few times that i downloaded... it would be awesome, if there was a full score:D
It sounds like there is a flute doing the melody, backed up by bass and trumpets.. and certianly violins!
haha a full score of the meaning of birth... that would be awesome. I would teach my band that when i graduate from University and become a music teacher :D it would certainly blow the crowd away in my opinion.

I KNOW O___O I want it!

Luke_Fabre
June 15th, 2008, 11:22 am
Hi Guys

I tried the link above from LaRepth, I can download the pdf of Karma but the adobe Raeder says it's defect >_<"
Just my Problem or does anybody else got the same Problem? (If anyone tried the link, too ^^")

mysticcage
June 15th, 2008, 12:59 pm
Um...yeah it doesn't work
Download Finale Notepad...the mus file on here works

Luke_Fabre
June 15th, 2008, 01:36 pm
hehe.. I don't have Finale Noteped
And anyway what are a mus file for? Playing by hearing? O_O"

Tails_Kitsune
June 15th, 2008, 10:55 pm
hehe.. I don't have Finale Noteped
And anyway what are a mus file for? Playing by hearing? O_O"

Finale Notepad works similarly to Adobe Reader. You can view the sheet music and print it, though it also has a playback feature. So, for those of us who don't sightread so well (me!! :heh: ) finale allows you to see the sheet music while listening to it. I've found it helpful and would recommend downloading it, as it has become quite a popular program to write out sheet music.

The newest version can be downloaded for free: Finale Notepad 2008 (http://www.finalemusic.com/notepad/)

The .mus files are for Finale. I also tried going to the link listed for the "Opening" of Tales of the Abyss and it said the file was incorrect. However, when I opened it up in Finale, it didn't seem to be Karma.

the_grimace
June 16th, 2008, 04:45 am
its a scorch file! it opens in your browser window. you dont need any program to view it. you jsut need a browser plugin that is free!

Ma70.Ent
July 3rd, 2008, 02:13 pm
Does anyone have the piano sheet music to the Menu theme of Tales of the Abyss? (The song is called abyss)? I really can't guess what the notes are even if it is pretty simple, but that's because I'm not very good with the piano :)

Hayate
July 3rd, 2008, 03:36 pm
Anyone have The Look of That Day sheet music or Overflowing Emotions - Reunion?

It's the song in Credits...and epilogue...

Thanks.

Penance_Anima
July 3rd, 2008, 06:29 pm
Does anyone have the piano sheet music to the Menu theme of Tales of the Abyss? (The song is called abyss)? I really can't guess what the notes are even if it is pretty simple, but that's because I'm not very good with the piano :)

With flute accompinement please? :D

Hayate
July 4th, 2008, 10:43 am
Lavilicious... Could you upload The Look of That Day please?

javiolinist91
July 9th, 2008, 06:40 am
Here's Karma for Alto Sax.

I'm not 100% sure the range of the instrument can handle all the notes, but it can always be 8va'ed down.

I take no credit i took Tempest's version and transposed it from F# Major (6 sharps) to suit the Eb alto sax....

:sweat: The theory got complicated after a while but it turned out ok!

Enjoy! :lol:

darkie14
September 24th, 2008, 05:03 am
sorry to bother but does anyone have KARMA and or Meaning of Birth for flute? //// PLEASE i beg of you reply <3 lol X=X ilooked forever for it and posibly in PDF form cuz yah my progams havegone wack so... i'd apreciateit much D:

PorscheGTIII
September 25th, 2008, 03:10 am
Here's the sheet music javiolinist91 posted for "Karma" but transposed for use with C Instruments which includes flute, oboe, violin, etc.

culinaromancer
September 25th, 2008, 10:18 pm
Nevermind! XD

theqdective
September 27th, 2008, 06:29 pm
Does anybody have the sheetmusic for "An arrow has been shot" for piano?

mysticcage
September 27th, 2008, 07:30 pm
looking for that too :P

Penance_Anima
September 27th, 2008, 07:59 pm
OoOoh, the normal batle music, yeah, that's definitly a must. ^^

the_grimace
October 2nd, 2008, 02:15 am
Does anybody have the sheetmusic for "An arrow has been shot" for piano?

haha. ive had this one like 90% finished for so long now. probably should finish it already. maybe this weekend if i get time

Penance_Anima
October 2nd, 2008, 02:55 am
sweet! ^__^ Maybe I can have my flute mailed to me from home . . .Or I can play it at the local chapel on the piano XD

rebirth
October 3rd, 2008, 12:54 pm
um where can i find mirrors or meaning of birth???

jake102
October 3rd, 2008, 06:11 pm
um where can i find mirrors or meaning of birth???

They are in this thread somewhere for piano. You gotta look :P

ape_roll
October 8th, 2008, 02:28 am
Does anyone have the sheet music for the song in the epilogue---

Overflowing Emotions, Reunion

---It would be IMMENSELY appreciated. Thanks :D

HikaruIrving
October 25th, 2008, 09:30 pm
I've been trying to play the grand fonic hymn; I have the melody down, but the left hand portion is killing me. I've watched people play it on YouTube, I have the notes, but no arrangement. May I use your transcription of the song?

JesseYao
November 3rd, 2008, 02:42 am
Wahhh, does anyone have Promise? I fell in love with it after beating the game!

Azure
November 7th, 2008, 08:25 pm
I wish to formally thank you for the .pdf of my favorite songs from ToA
Your all really great

thosunrang
November 12th, 2008, 11:36 am
can someone help me with the opening Karma on guitar? pdf file if possible

the_grimace
November 13th, 2008, 08:15 pm
can someone help me with the opening Karma on guitar? pdf file if possible

theres a piano sheet arranged by me on my website. scorch file though. just download the free plugin and it will work

also, on another note, i think ill finally get around to finishing the arrow was shot soon. its been at like 95% for 2 months :P

Penance_Anima
November 16th, 2008, 08:43 pm
yeah!!
edit: Hey Grimace! I tred opening your files for the tale that i already there, but I keep gettinga "try refreshing" or what not and doesn't open. I tried other sites and my sib is good. DO you know what's up?

theawesomeone5
December 1st, 2008, 11:37 pm
I know this is probably an out of the norm request, but, do any of you have any of these songs for B-flat trumpet, Euphonium, or F Horn?

TheTempest
December 2nd, 2008, 05:23 am
No one made a piano arrangement for ''Promise'' yet, right?
Heck, I might as well try to arrange it! Consider this, it's going to be my first work. ^_^

I'll start tomorrow... and will probably finish by Saturday.

Penance_Anima
December 6th, 2008, 10:24 pm
sweet!

Synthe
December 8th, 2008, 08:44 pm
Yay, Promise! I've been trying to figure out the left hand for it, but it's impossible for me. XD

I'm going to attempt to arrange Happiness in my Hand and Overflowing Emotions, Reunion when I have time. Key word there is attempt.

the_grimace
December 8th, 2008, 09:01 pm
yeah!!
edit: Hey Grimace! I tred opening your files for the tale that i already there, but I keep gettinga "try refreshing" or what not and doesn't open. I tried other sites and my sib is good. DO you know what's up?

talk about a delayed response. idk the problem, i checked the files and they all opened fine for me. are you sure you have scorch installed correctly? try reinstalling it and see if that works.

edit: which one is promise? where does it play? ill be sure to check it out once its finished :)

Synthe
December 8th, 2008, 10:59 pm
Promise is at the end of the game, where *SPOILERS* Asch dies. You can find it here: http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/toaaudio.php (It's towards the bottom)

Penance_Anima
December 9th, 2008, 04:32 am
I just tried, i just have to click it on your site again, but it works!! ^__^ Thanks you realymade my day! When can we see more of your tales work?

mysticcage
December 9th, 2008, 11:04 am
@grimace

Promise is when
SPOILERS Asch Dies

the_grimace
December 9th, 2008, 11:51 am
I just tried, i just have to click it on your site again, but it works!! ^__^ Thanks you realymade my day! When can we see more of your tales work?

well. as said, im VERY close to completing the arrow was shot. i just dont really like the way it tuned out for solo piano. It was a hard song to capture the originals intensity. plus, the drums really move the song, and i can only replicate drums on piano so much... mainly what ive been doing with it is expirementing with different rythmns, seeing which sounds best

also very close to completing "a tragic decision" from tales of vesperia. that one is very nice so far :)

Penance_Anima
December 10th, 2008, 02:29 am
Soudnds cool. Wihs I had the musical apptitude to experiment like that. ^__^

mysticcage
December 10th, 2008, 11:04 am
On a similar note, I have a performance on youtube of Fury Sparks/Spark's Scattering from Tales of Vesperia. Not abyss I know, but if anyone would like sheet music, I'm halfway done cause I was playing it by ear.

the_grimace
December 10th, 2008, 06:05 pm
On a similar note, I have a performance on youtube of Fury Sparks/Spark's Scattering from Tales of Vesperia. Not abyss I know, but if anyone would like sheet music, I'm halfway done cause I was playing it by ear.

which one is that? i would love sheet music. to be honest, im so sick of arranging sheet music. ill probably quit soon. ive done over 110 sheets now... i kinda just want people to start arranging for me ;)

also, can you link me to the performance? i would love to hear it as well :P

EDIT: OOOOMMMMGGG!! I LOVE THAT SONG. i listen to it at the gym to pump me up! i wanted to arrange, but as i just described above, im so tired of arranging... plus i have so many in progress works.

YOU MUST SHOW ME NOW!!!!!!!! *faints

mysticcage
December 10th, 2008, 07:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtaYLTKffaY
there you go :P

I only start playing at :15 though and its flute only

the_grimace
December 10th, 2008, 07:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtaYLTKffaY
there you go :P

I only start playing at :15 though and its flute only

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!

i demand sheet music now! ;)

also, do you have the chords, i can probably put this into a piano sheet really easy since you did most of the work already :P

but seriously, great performance, you play flute better then most people i know.

mysticcage
December 10th, 2008, 08:20 pm
lol thanks a lot!
I'm sorry but I played it by ear, so I only know notes, nothing else :(
I tried to put the rhythm in finale but I'm not very good at it.

I DO know that its in 4:4 time, if you want the notes though, I'll be happy to provide

the_grimace
December 10th, 2008, 08:53 pm
do you think you can put them in finale for me? that way all ill have to do then is find the chords, i can wait a couple days if you need time to get the notes in the correct rythmn, but yes, i would really appreciate it, and yes i want them

mysticcage
December 10th, 2008, 09:08 pm
Alright, I'm kinda busy, school is getting hectic near christmas break but I'll see what I can do. All I need to do is figure out the right rhythms through finale >.<

the_grimace
December 10th, 2008, 11:39 pm
Alright, I'm kinda busy, school is getting hectic near christmas break but I'll see what I can do. All I need to do is figure out the right rhythms through finale >.<

take your time. i wont have time till the weekend anyway, then i have finals next week @_@

mysticcage
December 16th, 2008, 11:05 am
Happy tales day! ^^
As an update, I had 5, count them, FIVE projects to do on the weekend...I'll try to work on it soon but I really suck at interpreting rhythms and transposing them -__-"

the_grimace
December 16th, 2008, 03:50 pm
ill wait :P

mysticcage
December 19th, 2008, 11:09 pm
Eh, I'm done, but I'm far from happy with it.
The rhythm feels off in many different places because
1) I play by ear
2) I have never made sheet music before that was IN time
3) This is my first sheet >_>

So, you'll have to do a lot of editing most likely, sorry! :P

the_grimace
December 21st, 2008, 01:50 am
yay!


hmm. lots of work i have to do here ;)

ill get started tommorrow. have to finish up some japanese work and then im going to play lost odyssey tonight.

mysticcage
December 21st, 2008, 12:22 pm
Sorry about that ;)
At least you know the notes now :P

mysticcage
December 23rd, 2008, 05:12 pm
sorry to double post, but I found sheet music to bouken sensei (the ending for the anime)
http://i35.tinypic.com/dhd63c.jpg

Penance_Anima
December 23rd, 2008, 07:30 pm
:( Grimace, should I look for someone elseto ask to finish He arrow is shot? I didn't know you were getting tired of transcribing. *sigh* But they're os good! >_<

the_grimace
December 23rd, 2008, 10:38 pm
its so close.... i think im just going to have to cut this one pART out of the song... it just doesnt work right....

Penance_Anima
December 24th, 2008, 01:30 am
?

the_grimace
December 24th, 2008, 07:36 pm
ok heres what i got so far for both of them

mysticcage
December 24th, 2008, 08:18 pm
haha now I feel so stupid, I could've just used G major >_>
and wow im proud of you for fixing up my rhythm, it actually sounds like the real thing now :P

and GREAT work on the arrow is shot! when its done, I will definitely play it for youtube :)

the_grimace
December 24th, 2008, 09:23 pm
haha now I feel so stupid, I could've just used G major >_>
and wow im proud of you for fixing up my rhythm, it actually sounds like the real thing now :P

and GREAT work on the arrow is shot! when its done, I will definitely play it for youtube :)

heh. it was a challenge for me too. the song has an extremely ODD rythmn. it was pretty difficult even for me. but its done now, just need to work on the intro a bit and add the chord stuff.

as for the arrow was shot, like i said, its seriously been there for about 2 months now. I am just stuck in like 2-3 spots.... and they are giving me the worst case of arrangers block EVER. ill try to plow through the blocks. I MUST PREVAIL.

unfortunately, i cant gaurantee ill prevail entirely in that song. for once, a song may best me. it just ddnt translate as well to piano as i hoped it would... :(

though, it would probably sound great on the flute or any single staff instrument

Penance_Anima
December 24th, 2008, 11:11 pm
^__^ I just got an ocarina--I wonder how it'll sound on it!

the_grimace
January 2nd, 2009, 02:44 pm
ok people. i swear to god im finishing the arrow was shot.... by tonight...

i just have to admit its not going to sound as good as the work im used to making.... sigh... *gets to work

Penance_Anima
January 2nd, 2009, 06:42 pm
Thank you grimace, it means much to me.

the_grimace
January 3rd, 2009, 12:59 am
ok. its done. the melody is exactly right, im just not too happy with the left hand. its alright i guess.

on my website for you guys

mysticcage
January 3rd, 2009, 01:05 am
haha the melody is all I need
thanks!

Penance_Anima
January 3rd, 2009, 06:45 am
\^___^/ Yeah! *glomps grimace* Thank you!

Zephyra
January 13th, 2009, 07:21 am
Hey can i ask a .pdf file for Karma? (all i really want is the bridge of the song which is also the beginning of 'meaning of birth') It would be great if u guys could post that

Penance_Anima
January 14th, 2009, 02:35 am
\^___^/ Yeah! *glomps grimace* Thank you!

ack! I can't acess it!!! T^TT Not again!!!

the_grimace
January 14th, 2009, 11:32 pm
ack! I can't acess it!!! T^TT Not again!!!

hmm. well. i found out how to make pdfs. (FINALLY) and was thinking about making pdfs for all my sheet music. but i did over 110 sheets now (woo) so it would be too boring and tedious to do them all. Ill make a pdf for karma though. since that is requested.

if anyone wants me to put pdfs up for my songs on my site, let me know

edit: ok. pdf of karma is up. click on my sig peoples!

Penance_Anima
January 15th, 2009, 12:15 am
. .... .. . . . . (He doesn't know what he's opening the floodgates to, now does he....:})


An arrow is shot
Abyss
All Tales of Vesperia music-all two of em XD
Rune Factory -Field
Halo-theme

^__^;;;;; Hehe, Now you know my obsession. (I got Pirates of teh carribean for flute music in the mail today! XD)

the_grimace
January 15th, 2009, 02:18 am
. .... .. . . . . (He doesn't know what he's opening the floodgates to, now does he....:})


An arrow is shot
Abyss
All Tales of Vesperia music-all two of em XD
Rune Factory -Field
Halo-theme

^__^;;;;; Hehe, Now you know my obsession. (I got Pirates of teh carribean for flute music in the mail today! XD)

ok. ill make sure to get to them tonight. those last too arent my sheets... but i figure i could make pdfs of those files. im sure the original arrangers wouldnt mind. ill ask them.

Remizen
February 10th, 2009, 07:56 am
omg. I was about to make a sheet music for Karma but I guess why bother? someone did already make 1?

mysticcage
February 10th, 2009, 11:10 am
yep!
whoa, this thread needed a major bump

abraandham
February 14th, 2009, 09:51 pm
nice. karma was a cool song. thanks for transcribing it.

Thirea
March 24th, 2009, 12:27 pm
Does anyone have 'Overflowing Emotions, Reunion' ? Or could someone do a sheet for it ?
I can't fin one ._. .

Synthe
March 28th, 2009, 03:00 am
I managed to make a rough arrangement of Promise. Let me know what you guys think~ And also, Happiness In My Hand is too hard, so I'm giving that up. XD

mysticcage
March 29th, 2009, 11:35 pm
Nice arrangement :D
Sounds just like the real thing.

Synthe
April 1st, 2009, 01:42 am
Thanks! I'm glad that it turned out okay. :3

onesky
April 6th, 2009, 12:09 am
I am trying to find the sheet music for Tales of the Abyss's Opening, Karma, or, Meaning of Birth for piano. Any suggestions or ideas?
I searched the google...

mysticcage
April 7th, 2009, 12:28 am
Search this thread.

foxwolf23
April 8th, 2009, 11:17 pm
what about the flute have any music for it

Synthe
April 10th, 2009, 12:12 am
Hm... I don't really know how to transpose from piano to flute, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to try. I'll see if I can do it sometime. :D

volt880
April 14th, 2009, 05:43 pm
Hm... I don't really know how to transpose from piano to flute, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to try. I'll see if I can do it sometime. :D

Flute is a C instrument, so you can just copy the Treble Clef part from piano :D

Maoxian
April 28th, 2009, 11:27 pm
Can someone please give me sheet music for Karma?

Alto Saxophone (odd request I know...)

Maoxian
April 28th, 2009, 11:29 pm
Can someone please give me the sheet music for "Karma" for Alto Saxophone. Please note that my computer can't open .mus files. only pdf adobe files.

Synthe
April 29th, 2009, 07:21 pm
Sure, I could do alto sax Karma. I was actually trying to figure it out myself last week. I'll do it when I can :3

aijoran
May 26th, 2009, 10:43 pm
I managed to make a rough arrangement of Promise. Let me know what you guys think~ And also, Happiness In My Hand is too hard, so I'm giving that up. XD

This sounds wonderful! I can't read the format though. T.T is it possible to get a .pdf version of this!

Angelic Samurai
May 28th, 2009, 09:13 am
i have the notes so message me if u want them ok.

um....I dont suppose you could send me a copy do you? :heh:

sipan143
June 12th, 2009, 04:47 pm
l forget The Arrow Was Shot in sheet music

http://www.apollomix.com/sheetViewer.php?song=1230947860&type=pdf

Xiphoid
June 29th, 2009, 11:13 pm
I need some help coming up with the notes for Overflowing Emotions, Reunion. I have no skill whatsoever in coming up with notes for songs, but I came up with the first part for the right hand so yeah...

--> Start with Highest E on piano
E,E,E,E,E,D,A,B,B,A,G,F#,E

(octave lower)
E,E,E,E,E,D,A,B,pause,E,E,E,E,E,D,A,B,B,A,G,F#,E

and then I'm lost....

malkuth_defect
November 15th, 2009, 04:10 pm
I know this is a sort of big bump, but if anyone is still working on Overflowing Emotions Reunion...
<3 I'm still looking for it.
I've looked all through this thread and downloaded just about every last piece in here.
I love you guys
ETERNALLY <3

Zantetsuken
November 15th, 2009, 06:44 pm
<<TALES>> are one of the greatest series,,
plus abyss is cool this goes for both the anime an' the game
i adore the story the music the character designing..although vesperia is
alot better than abyss but i still wanna find ((meaning of birth))tabs on classic guitar,,
i'd greatly appreciated if someone can provide me with :heh:..

halfangelfreak
November 15th, 2009, 11:00 pm
Vesperia is NOT better than abyss. It's inferior in every way other than graphics IMO.

And I'll try... TRY to make the tabs. But don't count on me finishing it at all, or doing it well.

Saenda
December 19th, 2009, 03:48 am
Alrighty. So I'm new here and already posting a sheet music, although I'm not very sure if this thread is dying or not. It's not any of the sheet music anyone has posted yet (I've checked the entire thread, I swear), so I thought some people would be happy.
First of all, this is the first time I'm transcribing something. It's not easy, not perfect. I'm posting it here to ask for help as well, so that I can learn and get better ^^ But I did my best, I swear lol.
It's Overflowing emotions - reunion -. I do believe some people wanted it, so here goes! And I'll be posting the mp3 as well so that if someone wants to see all my mistakes and tell them to me, at least that person will have the song to base on it (my english isn't perfect either, not my native language, sorry ^^")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy7NP5lq524

Thank you in advance and hope you like it, even though it's faaaar from perfect!