i did this just for the fun of it. really i wanted to know what i would look like if i was a neko. this is what turned out.












http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/neko-me.jpg

I like it :] Very cute

thanks a lot. i love to draw.

Have you ever tried to neko someone else? Could be fun, a thread devoted to people's neko versions ^^

that would be intresting. but how would i know what they looked like?

You could go to the picture thread with peoples permition or you could just let people request the use of your art. Here is my picture. Have fun :)http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s259/HanTony/Picture006.jpg

so you want to be a neko? this could prove to be fun.

you know, you could just say "cat" instead of "neko" all the time =p

Neko sounds better. Do it! do it! so it!

Can I post in other languages besides English?
The rule is designed for two purposes: First of all, this is an English forum, so it's expected that if you can understand English reasonably well you can participate in discussions. This means you shouldn't be posting in German, Japanese, ig-pay atin-lay or any other non-english language. Secondly (and here's where we've been running into a problem) noone should be interjecting words for the sole purpose of having the word there.

This is just fine: "I polished my katanas last night."
This isn't: "My katanas are so kawaii!"

Obviously, katana is a borrowed word from the Japanese language what is not in the English dicitonary (I think..) Yes, you could say "curved, Japanese sword" but there's no reason to. However, there is no reason to use kawaii. It is obviously being used for the sole purpose of the existance of Japanese in the sentance. Why can't you just use cute? And why are your katanas cute anyway!?

There's no way to explicitly define this as a rule. However, we take two big steps to solving this problem. First, ask yourself if you are putting a foreign word in your post "is it really needed to convey the meaning?" If it's not, use the translation. If you REALLY think it is, provide a translation. If it's a loan word, like katana, it's fine. Second, if you get called out or warned for using it by a mod or other member, don't get offended. Edit your post, apologise (don't say "gomen nasai") and don't worry about it!

you have to spoil our fun. why even put that? if they don't know what it means they should ask.

neko just means cat...its a cat person. not just a neko xD Oh well, language is a funny thing, especially japanese. I

you have to spoil our fun. why even put that? if they don't know what it means they should ask.

Why? This is an English forum, so use English where it's possible. Simple as that. If you want to speak Japanese so badly, you should go to a Japanese language forum.

hey hey....just cause i know a little doesn't mean i can speak kall. if i could i wouldn't have been on this site. anyway i'll try not to speak japanese.

this took me 3-4 hours to do. .
please enjoy.



http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/older-me-dress.jpg

You should keep all your art on one thread. ._.

One thread?

Meaning you create one topic for all your art. Ah well.

About the drawing: interesting colouring, but I think the legs are waaay too long x_x

Oh, and don't threaten people to sue them, for 1) they won't care and 2) it makes you seem like a very aggressive and unfriendly person.

.....
you're so right....the one thing i do't like about keeping it in one thread is because when someone doesnt post i can't put my drawings up and it's against the rules and if i edit it people don't always go back to see if there is anything new.

oh you can double post for that~ *nods*

If you double post in good tastes, it's okay. By good tastes I mean that you haven't posted for a deal of time (three weeks or so) and you have new material that is constructive towards the thread's topic.

oh...ok i get it. on another thread i'm on i can't double post.

this took me 3-4 hours to do. the dress disign is mine and if you steal my idea i will sue. everything is copy righted.
please enjoy.

1.)You don't need to say that anything you create is copyrighted. Anything you create is automatically owned by you because of international law.
2.)You won't sue, because you wouldn't have a case. Your dress isn't original enough to go to court over. The judge would laugh at you. If anything, there are a million established dress designers out there who could take you to court for your drawing. So please don't threaten to sue people. It's ridiculous, silly, and hurts your credibility.
3.)It's a fairly nice design, but your line art is very messy and pencil-looking. The coloring is also very flat. Try working on that. And is that dress color real black? Nothing in real life is ever true black. Never use the color black when coloring. Use a dark blue, purple, red, green, or what have you. If you want to shade, use a color's opposite color. On the red part of the skirt for example, you used black for the shadows. Green would have been a better choice; it'd make your drawing "pop" more. Keep practicing, and good luck. :)

dude...even though you are trying to help. that hurt a little. can't you dim it donw a little? anyway my dad just wanted me to make sure that i don't get my stuff stolen and anyway this is the us. and people can steal it dispit it's yours....anyway...are you good at art? can you draw? i can understand you wanting to help but don't be so hrash....thta hurts a person ya know....anyway i like the color black and i couldn't think of anything else...
....i just hate this...i shouldn't have come here....i don't liek to be hrashly critized like that and i would like it if you try not ot be like that...
thanks. anyway i was going to take that stuff down but i was bussy and had to get off.

aw, don't feel bad, I think if you keep all your art in one thread people will be nicer, why don't you ask one of the adminstrators to merge your two threads?

:sorc:

wow! thanks' a lot. i'll make sure that i put it all in this thread! thanks for being nice.

:P great as long as you're not gonna leave cos people are being mean.
~

Old or not, his opinion counts. You shouldn't post artwork and not expect to be critizced, or you should have stated that you weren't interested in anyone elses opinion and didn't want assistance. :think:

dude...even though you are trying to help. that hurt a little. can't you dim it donw a little? anyway my dad just wanted me to make sure that i don't get my stuff stolen and anyway this is the us. and people can steal it dispit it's yours....anyway...are you good at art? can you draw? i can understand you wanting to help but don't be so hrash....thta hurts a person ya know....anyway i like the color black and i couldn't think of anything else...
....i just hate this...i shouldn't have come here....i don't liek to be hrashly critized like that and i would like it if you try not ot be like that...
thanks. anyway i was going to take that stuff down but i was bussy and had to get off.

You found his CONSTRUCTIVE criticism harsh??

Oh dear.... you're not ready for the world.

be quiet. I'm around people that can't draw in my school and i don't get a lot of criticism. so it's really something that i don't get. Anyway. i'm over it. and i think that i could spend some omore time on photoshop coloring. even my sister says so. I've been drawing all last night trying to improve my art.
And i can take things. it's just a little shocking that's all. and as i said i don't get a lot of criticism because im in a school that has not a lot of artists. Do you get it now???
and stop treating me like a 10 year old. I might get angery and sad but i pull myself up and do my best.

be quiet. I'm around people that can't draw in my school and i don't get a lot of criticism. so it's really something that i don't get. Anyway. i'm over it. and i think that i could spend some omore time on photoshop coloring. even my sister says so. I've been drawing all last night trying to improve my art.
And i can take things. it's just a little shocking that's all. and as i said i don't get a lot of criticism because im in a school that has not a lot of artists. Do you get it now???
and stop treating me like a 10 year old. I might get angery and sad but i pull myself up and do my best.

I thought I would share with you something I learned about critism through my art...
1. If it's constructive criticism, it's good.
2. If someone doesn't know anything about drawing or whatever, you don't have to take the criticism.
3. If someone says something along the lines of "you suck"... ignore it.
4. If someone says something you don't agree with, you can ignore it also.
5. You get to take and ignore whichever criticism you want. Take it or leave it. It would be good if you took the good criticism, but nobody can help you change mistakes but yourself... if that makes sence...

as for your art, I think it's great ^_^ Keep working towards your goals. You have tallent. Don't get discouraged like me. I let that happen, and it's hard to get back up agian. :heh:

oh and one more thing... you'd get a better responce from people if you didn't take an agressive side...

sorry for the criptic advice... :shifty:

thanks. it's just i'm a nice person i take too much from people and it bothers me to death wherei just can't take it. anyway i'll take the critcism. it's good to know that i could work on my coloring. but i still like the color black. it's just me. i like dark colors and red....anyway thanks. i pick myself up quickly. i'm already drawing something new...already did i mean. i just need to pen it in. oh and why the lines don't come out like really black is because i earse the pencil marks and it ereases the ink. i don't know where i can get good black pens...-sigh-. so hard to find them here. i guess i have to order them off line but i'm don't have paypal.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/all-goths-go-to-heaven.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/eva-gaia-avi.jpg
i know this isn't the best because i never used this kind of pose (and up veiw) i hope you like it anyway
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/siting-on-a-ccloud.jpg

Really nice art there. I can tell that your a kind and gentle person just by looking at the way you put feeling in the drawings.

You shouldn't worry much about getting art stolen. Even if somone may steal it, you still have your witnesses on here. Ever thought of that? Besides, what are friends for.

*nod and smile*
your right. thanks alot. that made my night.
THat's really...hmmm...good eye there. just by looking at my art you figured that i had a kind and gentle heart.
You're good.

nice I like your arts

thanks a lot. i hope to get better with time.

Oh, and just a little thing to say. Most people who are artists, about 62% of them whom are amatuers themselves only seriously critisize out of jealosy. Shoot, I do it myself, I admit, because I'm human, and sometimes I truly wish I wasn't. But that's life for you... and me... Part of being human is having the ability to live it up and keep going. And to tell you the truth, somone with no drawing experience would say "that's really good". Just because they don't know what a mistake or screw up is in a drawing. As many musical and artist say, "The audience never knows if you've made a mistake. As long as you keep going and never say a word, they will never know." And to tell the truth, it's actually true, I bet you even the greatest artist in the world make loadsa mistakes. Even God himself has made mistakes you know. Not everyone is perfect. Is all part of being a living being. Not saying your drawing is crap, you are very talented. I'm serious. People say "That's a really good drawing" Just so you would get more self esteem. Make you feel better. It has to me, and probably has to everybody.

So keep going, have your courage high, and just shake your head at critisizm and thing better of it. Always aim higher than the expected, push your limits. For in life, you actually never have limits, unless you never put it to the test. So live on my friend.

Nice art by the way, keep it up.
:)

wow. that almost made me cry.
What you say is like poemtry. It's amazing how you can put together words like that and come up with that. thank you very much. it's nice to hear that from someone.

Let the fun begin.

First and foremost, your reaction to Hopeless Composer was, quite honestly, immature, idiotic, and downright self-centered. It's okay to have pride in your work, but that's exactly how you should react to it. With pride. Don't bitch about comments when it's your own work. Rather, you should take the comments in and go one more step up the stairwell. Just like a child, stand up, fall down, try again. Your reaction was lesser than a child's. I recommend you fix it before attempting to draw (and share) art again.

Because of this, I will not go easy on you. Hope you enjoy :)

First one (Neko Me)
I like shade choices. The skin tone, the dress color and the backdrop are all good colors. But the blending of the shading within the shading is not apparent. It seems like you took the paint bucket and just clicked on the area you wanted, and then used a spray can to color on the blush. To be blunt, it's blocky. Not certain if that's the effect you're looking for, but it seems very choppy on first look.

Second, your proportions. The head and hips are drawn in one proportion, but the torso and arms are to another. Look at where the leg line draws into the dress, you'll see that the hip is way bigger than it should be. Also, the two legs are two different sizes in diameter. Not by much, but enough to make the hips look worse yet. I think what happened is that you were trying to draw this picture at an angle, but did not do so with the character's chest and/or legs.

The hair is another subject. While the ears are meshed in decently (a darker shade of gray would have made it look better), the hair clip is sticking too far into the eyebrow, and not enough into the hair. It actually looks like it's clipped to the eyebrow or is some form of facial jewelry, rather than the hair! The clip isn't even near where the bangs arc. The eyebrows are fine; I can't find anything wrong about them. Her left eyelash is.... interesting. Along with the eye. The iris is ill-portioned to the pupil size (big no-no). Ovals and circles are allowed for iris/pupil sizing, but you seem to do another form of geometry to it.

The nose, while impressed on the face, has not been drawn in. There's even a shadow for where it should be, but it's just not there. Her smile's off center with the nose. It's looks more like a smirk than a smile. The depression under the lower lip is drawn too long (a few millimeters) for it to look right.

Looking further down, the neck shows that the head is cocked (adding emphasis to my off-center comments), but the neck isn't the right size, yet again.

Now I hate discussing the next two topics, because they're subject for debate, but the lack of having a bust on her made me think that the drawing was a cross dressing guy. The reason I say this is the head size to the rest of the body. Why head? Because the way the head is drawn, along with the face, I'm assuming an age of 17-23. Most women have at least some form of a bust at that age. Then again, if breasts aren't your thing, that's fine.

Second is the dress does not have a slip or any type of filler. The thigh-high socks are also drawn wrong. You, as a woman, should know why these things are drawn incorrectly.

Next!

Princess of Another Kind

Sizers are off again (the furthest away is larger than the closest; and the legs are impressively long). Lips are too big. Eyes are not balanced. The dress's flowing portion is too long. The necklace is not positioned right for the way how she is spinning (should be within her bust or in air from the spin). Better job on head-torso-waist portioning (actually looks humanlike).

Next!

Angel, Vampire, and Naked Harpy

Wow. I must say that I liked your other two better than these three. The guy's toes are messed up. Badly. Face looks like a tiny dogs. Nose suffers from excessive Vision of Escaflowne watching. Vampire's expression is mortifying in a baaaaaaaaaad way. And where the hell are the woman's underclothing? You covered the bust, but the naughties are way more visible. I'm not even going to go any further on this one.

wow Crimson D. that is such a nice line and M isn't that too much not that Mistrust can't do it's just don't make her/him work too hard

If people don't want to be criticised they shouldn't post their art on forums.

OH dang. you hard man. but i don't get hurt from things like kthat. anyway. the way i drew the first girl was to my size. she has no breast because i have no breast. i wear a size A and it's hard to tell. i can understand to add more shadows and i do need to work on my coloring but i rushing because of my sister. Also my hair is ture black. Not off black. it's blacker than night dang it. so that's why i did that. Plus i'm still working on the shining effect. It's a challege for me i'm working on so back off.
I don't wear girly stuff. i only look at other pictures for that help. i'm more into the pants and shirt thing rather than the slip and dress. this was requested of me (a neko) so i drew it.
the girl with the dress you so say isn't "orignal" she isn't spining. IF she was i would have her hair go in one direction and her dress and necklace as well. do you think i'm that stupid not to notice that? anyway i do agree thah the shadows should be a bit darker but it just turned out that way.
The angel was different. i pened in everything on him with the pen tool. if it was donw by hand it would be different but it isn't. that was the first time i used the pen tool and i think i did a good job doing it despite there are mistakes. He is suppose to loke that way. NOt he toes but the face is suppose to look like a rough guy. IT's showing the fact that anyone can get into heaven despit what they look like. AND i've only seen Escaflowne once! yes. and i don't even remember half of what happened or what they look like in the fine details.
The "vampire" which is really a demon. is suppose to look scary. Also i know i messed up on a few details on a the male ananmy but i try. i'm better with female and i'm not even in a art school so i have to teach myself and learn from my mistakes.
And the angel. she has underwear on. she does if you look! this picture was requested from me on gaia. I normally don't do poses like this (like i said when i posted it) so it looks weird. i can see that for myself but i try even so. I admit that i do need to work on those anegl poses but i'm not use to them a lot so i'm still pratcing.
Lastly, can you draw? if you can't back the hell off. And if you can and if it's bader than mine. i know something's wrong with you. ANyway if you can draw better than me. whaoho for you. You don't need to take you anger off on me or whatever your issue is with me or with your life. And i'm not childish...i'm forgetful but i'm not immature. If you knew me...and not just from me posting on a few things here. then you would have a different reaction. I don't know what the heck is worng with you and hatin' on me but it's getting on my nerves. if you want to help me improve. i'm all game for that. PLus i'm pissed. my music teacher is in the hotspital and i'm not in the mood to be bothered with a person like you. So for the time being back off.
Angelic. i like to post my art up to show and get help. i don't mind the criticising but people like M get on my nerves. And i'm a very nice and kind girl and let a lot of things slid. I'm not mad at you angelic just to let you know if i turn out sound that way.

I looked over your post, you're an idiot, talk when yer out of puberty and you've grown a brain.

Lastly, can you draw? if you can't back the hell off.

You dont have to have cancer to be able to recognize it.

which post are you talking about? and don't just come out and call me an idoit. i don't care who are you, you don't talk to anyone or me like that. plus what kind of type is that? you can hardly read it.

I looked over your post, you're an idiot, talk when yer out of puberty and you've grown a brain.


No, no. It should be "Come back when you have grown pubic hair."

Or something... should ask Noir :think:

Also my hair is t[ru]e black. Not off black. it's blacker than night dang it. so that's why i did that.

That is impossible. :) Please do realize that.


IT's showing the fact that anyone can get into heaven despit what they look like. AND i've only seen Escaflowne once! yes. and i don't even remember half of what happened or what they look like in the fine details.

Oh gawd oh gawd. Don't tell me you're one of those insecure people who try to excuse their psuedo-art with that nonsense.
You do know, it requires skill in the art of making something truely "rough", as you put it. Or in a more general notion, "hideous" or "ugly".
There's artifully ugly and then there's just ugly. You take a pick at it.


And the angel. she has underwear on. she does if you look!

Oh really? If she does, her fishnets are going waaaay too high to still be sexy.


Lastly, can you draw? if you can't back the hell off. And if you can and if it's bader than mine.

Yes, he can draw. And a lot better than you.


i know something's wrong with you.

Foo. There's something wrong with everyone, who are you kidding?


ANyway if you can draw better than me. whaoho for you. You don't need to take you anger off on me or whatever your issue is with me or with your life.

Don't be so quick to instill someone else with a fault to cover your own. He obviously was trying to make it clear that you are being ignorant in the ways the world is run and trying to point out your over-reaction and inability to realize that we are not trying to demean you. We are helping you to improve yourself. And if you can't realize that then it is you who have the issues.


I don't know what the heck is worng with you and hatin' on me but it's getting on my nerves.

I just explained that. It's selfish to always conclude that someone, or the world in general, is in some sort of conspiracy against you. What makes you so special that the entire population feels the need to gang-hate you? Certainly nothing more than the next person.


if you want to help me improve. i'm all game for that.

Poor child. Your ignorance exceeds that of a mute-deaf-blind man in a padded cell. Did you really think we were intentionlly trying to emotionally damage you? Open your eyes and take a look around you. The only people who have not recieved such criticism are the people who have freaking-awesome-skill.


PLus i'm pissed. my music teacher is in the hotspital and i'm not in the mood to be bothered with a person like you. So for the time being back off.

The emo excuse? Won't work on us.


Of course, you are going to think I am trying to degrade you. I am not. The truth of the matter is that I have taken pity on your ignorance and am trying to enlighten you on the not-so-harsh reality.

So please.

I hope you reach enlightenment.

i'm not an emo. IT's just hard to know that someone dear to you has been hurt to the point where she can't do the things sh eloves again.
And i'm a girl. i can't help to me overwhelmed by this. And stop treating me like a damn child! I hate when people treat me like this. i've taken a lot in this world and you don't know the half of it. i try day by day to do what i can do to improve and become better. i stuggle with things. i'm metal disable and i'm trying my hardest to get past those things. so please don't push me.

One needs to be pushed sometimes in order to move forward.

i guess you're right but did he have to push me off the clif?

i'm not an emo. IT's just hard to know that someone dear to you has been hurt to the point where she can't do the things sh eloves again.

That's still no reason to use it as an excuse. If you can't control your emotions, please go not-control them somewhere else where someone cares. :)


And i'm a girl. i can't help to me overwhelmed by this.

How sexist of you! I happen to be a female as well and I just happen to be able to criticism in stride.


And stop treating me like a damn child!

We will, as soon as stop acting like one.


I hate when people treat me like this.

Hate is a strong word. Please do not throw it around so casually.
This, you shall understand when you are older. And when I say this, once again, I am still not trying to degrade you. I am enlightening you!


i've taken a lot in this world and you don't know the half of it. i try day by day to do what i can do to improve and become better. i stuggle with things. i'm me[n]tal[ly] disable[d] and i'm trying my hardest to get past those things. so please don't push me.

See? It's the emo excuse, which of course, does not imply you are emo.
"My life is harsh, don't push me over the edge."
Please. There are millions of other people in the world who have it hard. Some of them have the backbone to get up, brush themselves off and get over it. They way I see it is, if you're not going to do anything about how badly your life sucks, you certainly have no right to whine about it.

Once again, no offence and enlightenment always.


Edit:
And in correspondence with your latter post:
What cliff? Do you seriously believe we are being harsh?
The internet is a trifle you shouldn't let get to you, and you're letting it get to you? That is a shame.

....Oh good. that makes me feel so much better! anyway i get back up even when it's hard. i stop crying and try harder. I know. it's just i disliek the way he wrote it. He took joy in writing it. Well, can you help me without being so seletic with the words. I want to get better i turely do. it's kinda hard when you are the only artist in your grade that is somewhat good. And i know that i'm not the best but yeah i try man. anyway, uhhh. can't think. brian hurts.
oh and i don't use hate alot only when i really dislike a person. not that i'm saying M is a bad guy it's just that he is a little...how to say it...uhhh. rough with telling someone how to improve.

well Methodx from my point of view your not doing a good job at Enlightening Mistrust so just stop

oh and luis. sorry about the comment. i just want to know because some people at my school tell me i can't draw becasue they are totally jerks. and please try to tpye better where i can read it.

....Oh good. that makes me feel so much better!

I can't tell if that as sarcasm. :mellow:


Anyhoo. Now that post shows a lot more maturity. Good show. :) :thumb:

Acceptance is the last stage of grief, so why go throught all the little fuckers in between, when you can skip to the end and save yourself the pain?

Edit:
@Deathgod: LAWL. You're certainly in no place to say anything on the matter, so do not "say".

yeah tell me about it just look under my sig thingy

You cant type for shit O_o
Being a girl has nothing to do with it, I for one have gone soft on you for that fact..my reasons for that however are not relevant.
If you've gone through alot of shit you should know that...that dosent really matter especialy if all you've gotten from those experiences is the ability to whine and then compliment yourself on your ability to get back up. Thats some BS right there.

not that i'm saying M is a bad guy it's just that he is a little...how to say it...uhhh. rough with telling someone how to improve.

M's always harsh to people, the post he wrote in this thread is nothing compared to some of the things he's come up with. Same with Noir7, you should be really glad he isn't around. Compared to M, Noir7 can be very, very MEAN. Well, that's how you'd see it anyway. Same for Darkbring, where's that guy anyway?

Small tip, change your attitude. Your art's not bad, but it can use improvements. Instead of complaining about people telling what could do with improvement, look at what they say and use it to improve your art. Art is never perfect, you can always do better. That's so great about art. If you're not open to critisism, then you'll never ever improve. When you don't like critisism, don't post your art on the internet, it's as easy as that.

gahh I feel werid right now and immature so I'll go away for a while

i'm guessing you didn't see the other post i posted. go and check it out luis.

And thanks, methodxd...i think. I guess i do have to grow up some time or another but it's fun being a kid....lol.
hey if i show you another drawing can you tell me what you think? and don't be rough with the words please. it's going to be line art but i like this pic. oh and i never got a chance to show the other one of him.

well I can't wait for you to post your other drawings

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/tsume-dark-no.jpg
i did a lot of studing to get a great body for him. i'm still working on just doing it from mind instead of looking at a pic once and a while to get the body right. hope you like it.

i just wonder how M will react to this.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/kido66-no2.jpg


just somthing that was old and done long ago.


http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/it-more-than-friship-colore.jpg

(Sigh) And now another personality trait is revealed to public eye. I don't know if anyone has figured it out yet, but as you can see... Mistrust is a very sensitive woman. So she may be easily angered by some comments. Yes, true, critisizm is good for improvement. But neither does that mean you have to fucking boast about how good you are or mock someone else saying, "... and if you are better than me..." Now that's the most dumbest $*** ever. That's just... I won't even say. That's not even being helpful, that's just trying to shine your colors over the main attraction. Or in other words, trying to show your better than anyone else. My God, and you talk about maturity. And for them people saying " Oh your drawings suck" You know what, why don't you just go shit in a corner, cause that's just something that'll get you shot. As I said in another art thread with the same problem, if you don't like it, then LEAVE. You don't gotta sit there pointing "Oh, it's shit".... -.-. Art is something that was created from an individual's mind, then put physically in the world for attraction. It's not some contest or End of the World Judgement.

(sigh) sorry for all the profanity, but it just ticks me off when some people just don't know how to act right. And actually, it is all of you whom are argueing that are acting like children. Just freaking observe the art, leave feedback, and leave, you don't have to tell the whole world about what's good and what isn't.

It was hard not to say something that'll spark a fire in Mistrust. But I do partly agree Mistrust, I apologize, but you do need to just accept somethings. I admire you fighting back for your sake, but sometimes you just need to let things go.

All in all, we should all try critisizm fit to the artist's personality. We shouldn't treat eveyone like a robot and treat them the same. Do it in a way of which would help the artist would understand it in their perspective. Not can we stop with the Jerry Springer shit and get back to the art. Cause I'm about to go blow up something from this nonsense.

-Oh and Angelic, now that I think of it, you are kinda mean too. I could just think of the many times you pissed me off. Teehee, so don't forget about yourself too heheh ;D

Once again him comes to my aid. like a prince in shining armor. Thank you again crimson dragon. You are so kind and protective. it would be nice to meet a person like that in the real. -sigh- but it's so hard. thank you once again.

wow Crimson D. your very mature and I appreciate you helping Mistrust and Mistrust the drawings are great keep up the good work

thanks alot! i'm hoping to get better with time. i'm working on another tsume drawing right now. i'm sure i did a godo job but i'm looking up some stock for some male poses since i don't have any brothers to help me out.

Ooh. Crimson hasn't noticed we've moved on.

Moving on!

Let's see if you can take this. :)

Picture 1: Quite nice. I have problems with lineart myself but I will say this: The wings. Are they supposed to look like tattoos? If not, they are much too flat. Try adding depth and texture to them. And the top of his head looks at tad too much like a magic eight ball: it's too flat. It could use more detail. And his eyes could do with better positioning. But other than that. Very nice.

Picture 2: I think I've seen that somewhere before.. But I like it. Good try at creating atmosphere. But keep working to make the lines cleaner. Or if that's the look you're going for, the colours are not right for the look.

Picture 3: Honestly, and sincerely, it looks like a shot from a low budget all-content-no-plot b-list porno flick. Long description? Yes. True to my thoughts? Down to the last period. I believe in honesty. The guy looks like he's got a bruise on his face rather than he's blushing (if that's what he's doing...). Keep working on correct positioning for the eyes, a few pixels off and they start looking wonky. The background is seriously lacking. And her cleavage could use some work. One of your best works? Certainly not. There's definetely room from improvement. And that's what we're here for, eh?

:thumb:

your really rough you know Methodx

ok. they are tattoos and i guess it looks flat but that's his head. i really don't know what is wrong with the eyes. i think that's way they are suppose to be at.
you've might've seen it on gaia, devaintart, or chocoboheaven. that's how the gaia avi looked in the pic so i colored it that way as best i could.
yeah i guess it looks that way but i was never good wiht backrounds and i didn't know how to fuse real pics with drawn ones.

OH dang. you hard man. but i don't get hurt from things like kthat.

Good.


...anyway. the way i drew the first girl was to my size. she has no breast because i have no breast. i wear a size A and it's hard to tell.

Which is why I said it was not to be considered too much, still with the face size, the balance is missing.


i can understand to add more shadows and i do need to work on my coloring but i rushing because of my sister. Also my hair is [p]ure black. Not off black. it's blacker than night dang it. so that's why i did that. Plus [I]'m still working on the shining effect. It's a challe[n]ge for me [I]'m working on so back off.

"...ut I rushing because of my sister"? 1) Bad grammar is good. 2) Why are you rushing art? Rushing only makes things worse. 3) I liked the black color. I was discussing the highlighting around the ears to define limbs that are black within the black. A darker gray would create a better balance. 4) Shining? Do you mean the natural gloss that comes with black hair? I'm a little lost with this one.


I don't wear girly stuff. i only look at other pictures for that help. i'm more into the pants and shirt thing rather than the slip and dress. this was requested of me (a neko) so i drew it.

That's fine, but no excuse. You should still draw that which exists as it should. If I was to draw a glove, what do you think? Five slits in a covering cloth? I think about texture, density, softness/hardness, color, brand-name/emblem, leather padding, and straps. There's more to choosing clothing than just wanting to draw it. It's all about envisioning the real with fantasy. Don't leave out aspects that already exist unless you have a purpose for it not to be there.


the girl with the dress you so say isn't "orig[i]nal" she isn't spin[n]ing. IF she was i would have her hair go in one direction and her dress and necklace as well. do you think [I]'m that stupid not to notice that? anyway i do agree tha[t] the shadows should be a bit darker but it just turned out that way.

Well, that is my mistake. Then why is the necklace in a weird position?


The angel was different. i pen[n]ed in everything on him with the pen tool. if it was don[e] by hand it would be different but it isn't. that was the first time i used the pen tool and i think i did a good job doing it despite there are mistakes. He is suppose to lo[o]k[] that way. N[o]t he toes but the face is suppose to look like a rough guy. I[t]'s showing the fact that anyone can get into heaven despit[e] what they look like. AND [I]'ve only seen Escaflowne once! yes. and i don't even remember half of what happened or what they look like in the fine details.

Escaflowne was just an expression to add emphasis that his face looked like a chiwawa. It was known for its big noses.


The "vampire" which is really a demon. is suppose to look scary. Also i know i messed up on a few details on a the male ana[to]my but i try. [I]'m better with female and [I]'m not even in a art school so i have to teach myself and learn from my mistakes.

That's fine, so long as you realize that it needs improvement.


And the angel. she has underwear on. she does if you look! this picture was requested from me on gaia. I normally don't do poses like this (like i said when i posted it) so it looks weird. i can see that for myself but i try even so. I admit that i do need to work on those an[gel] poses but [I]'m not use to them a lot so [I]'m still pra[c]t[i]cing.

I'll be damned! That black bandage is underwear / bloomers?! That's worse than the low legs I see in my Hentai collection. A little advise to you: Draw that garment clear. Misconceptions are easy (which is what I was trying to originally convey).


Lastly, can you draw?

Why do you want to know?


if you can't...

Don't tell me it's one of those.


...back the hell off. And if you can and if it's bader than mine. i know something's wrong with you. ANyway if you can draw better than me. whaoho for you. You don't need to take you anger off on me or whatever your issue is with me or with your life.

First off, I'm not mad. I'm displeased, yes, but not mad. Also congrats on figuring out that I'm insane. Let me also say this though: Their exists a fine line between Genius and Insanity". Let me also ask you this. Who critiqued Leonardo da Vinci's art? Who decided that it was so grand? Those that were lesser than him. Case closed on this.


And i'm not childish...i'm forgetful but i'm not immature. If you knew me...and not just from me posting on a few things here. then you would have a different reaction.

Sadly, I don't know you in real life. In fact, I only seen your posts in this thread. The reason I call you childish is because you lack the ability to recognize disgrace and pain. You seem to jump on people quickly without thinking of their own credentials. Hell, I could be the art professor to the Greek Conservatory for all you know. Obviously, I'm not, but you jumped at me. Those without a cool head will not get far in any task. Especially when being told things that were done wrong. They say that having a second set of eyes only aids in ones actions. I was merely offering them to you for a brief moment in both your and my life.



I don't know what the heck is worng with you and hatin' on me...

Where did I express hate?


...but it's getting on my nerves. if you want to help me improve. i'm all game for that.

I already did this... Why are you asking for it again?


P[l]us [I]'m pissed. my music teacher is in the ho[]spital and [I]i'm not in the mood to be bothered with a person like you. So for the time being back off.

Cue logical fallacy! I call a Red Herring!


Angelic. i like to post my art up to show and get help. i don't mind the critici[z]ing but people like M get on my nerves. And i'm a very nice and kind girl and let a lot of things slid. I'm not mad at you angelic just to let you know if i turn out sound that way.

Nice. I'm the bad guy :)


i'm not an emo. IT's just hard to know that someone dear to you has been hurt to the point where she can't do the things sh eloves again.
And i'm a girl. i can't help to me overwhelmed by this. And stop treating me like a damn child! I hate when people treat me like this. i've taken a lot in this world and you don't know the half of it. i try day by day to do what i can do to improve and become better. i stuggle with things. i'm metal disable and i'm trying my hardest to get past those things. so please don't push me.

Erm... I mourn for your soul? Are you a person that sits in bed and does nothing when you have the flu? Are girls so weak as to be emotionally traumatized from this? Rethink that. You're a child, as I've noted before. In fact, what adult takes offense to being called a child? BTW, I've seen, done, and theorized with more than you could even imagine with your head, so DON'T. PULL. THAT. It's good to know that you're trying to become better and better, but keep a more solid head on than that. It's not that I'm pushing you. More or less, I'm pointing out the flaws, so that you can better see them.


i guess you're right but did he have to push me off the clif?

I'm certain this post will do that.


....Oh good. that makes me feel so much better! anyway i get back up even when it's hard. i stop crying and try harder. I know. it's just i disliek the way he wrote it. He took joy in writing it. Well, can you help me without being so seletic with the words. I want to get better i turely do. it's kinda hard when you are the only artist in your grade that is somewhat good. And i know that i'm not the best but yeah i try man. anyway, uhhh. can't think. brian hurts. oh and i don't use hate alot only when i really dislike a person. not that i'm saying M is a bad guy it's just that he is a little...how to say it...uhhh. rough with telling someone how to improve.

Sarcasm. You're evolving beyond a baby. I'm a skilled person when it comes to English, so I cannot dislike that which I write. Yes this is choppy, but I'm sick of quoting so many different cases for one-liners.

.............wait. I'm not the bad guy? You kinda gave off that tone earlier.


i'm guessing you didn't see the other post i posted. go and check it out luis.

And thanks, methodxd...i think. I guess i do have to grow up some time or another but it's fun being a kid....lol. hey if i show you another drawing can you tell me what you think? and don't be rough with the words please. it's going to be line art but i like this pic. oh and i never got a chance to show the other one of him.

Damn straight about how fun it is to be a kid. I miss those days. The rest is not for me to comment on.


Enough critiquing your arguments. ONWARD WITH THE ART!!!!!!!!!!!

[b]The Solar Wing (Tsume)

Surprisingly, I didn't expect to see this. It's done much better than the other, Ashley. I'm not certain if that's a demon's jaw or an elf's. If it's a demons, it was done just right. If it was an elf's, then it's too pointed. On both arms, the way how the muscle bulges by the elbow is a bit too much for the size of the tricep and bicep. The hands seem a bit large, but that can be considered an artistic quality, as they are similarly sized. The buttocks is mis sized again, and rectangular. With the size of the legs, the tailbone needs to come down more. Good job defining the backbone, but the two shoulder blades are too strongly outlined. I'm a little confused on what exactly is the wrapping around his neck. I first thought it was a type of neckbrace jewelry, then I thought it was wrappings. It still baffles me.

One thing strikes me as interesting about this one. That's the tattooed teardrop. Not many know this, but that's a mark for a bringer of death; one that kills. Matched with the tattooed wings on the back, and the overall sense, it gives off an interesting feeling.

Wishing Star

Instantly thought of Kurau from Kurau -PHANTOM MEMORY-. I'm guessing it's the color choice. First thing that I noticed were the two clashing scarfs. While the devilish one looks okay, the heavenly one looks boring. I'd expect something more feather-light or (to be pun-ish (lol)) feather-like. Another thing, the way you spread the evil scarf, it would be lighter than the heavenly scarf. So I'd actually invert the scarf's orientation in this pic. Also, the way how the two intertwine on the neckline is presented badly. It almost looks like the heavenly scarf was injected into the other one.

The shirt is the wrong color for blending. It clashes too much. Especially with the miniskirt being that color. I don't really understand why the pants have patches in them, if the rest of the clothing looking just fine; without a sign of wear. Puts needless stress on something that isn't meant to be emphasized. Similarly is the sword, which looks really out of place in this image for reasons I can't really explain. The tail looks like a Pipefox, BTW.

The last one

Skintone. Too. Light. It made me think necrophile for a moment. Especially when considering how bony her neckline is. It seems like the guy's arm comes from out of no where from back behind. A bit on the orientation of this. I'm (assuming) that this is on a bed or soft surface. If it is, the nature of pressing with your elbows against the mattress and boxspring would cause the focal point to lower ever so slightly. This picture is drawn with straight back. The girl needs to either move closer or further. That's up to you to decide. Her bottom lip also looks weird. Not much detail was put into the guy, from what I see.

wow. that's kinda scary. i'm cool now sorry about that. you seem to take stuff...uhh...easlily unlike me. HE's stone cold! run away! j/k. anyway read any of my lastest comments?

*edited in*

oh ok. i just the did the neck baid just because. not sure what story might behind tsume.
i'm still workin on that. i'll do better next time
i'm also looking up stock to hlep me. do you think that is ok?

You learn how to do things through imitating others. You become an individual by trying without guide.

ok. man ou get on and off so quickly! but it does help when i'm stuck on something like hte body pose.
may i see some of your art?

The best I've ever drawn is a stick figure, to be honest (I'm a manip er). It'd be best to ask someone else if you're looking for a physical demonstration for drawing.

ahh. she lied to me then.

:) :spam:

.....awww. this sucks. i can't get him to look right.

offtopic, Methodx I salute you for breaking down that wall of text.

I really like the one with the angel wing tatoo, it's much clearer than your other ones and a very good job with the fingers~

wow Crimson D. your very mature and I appreciate you helping Mistrust and Mistrust the drawings are great keep up the good work


your really rough you know Methodx

Can we stop talking about who's nice and who's not? :P

sorry. i'm going to post some new art up later. some time later on today.

okay fine I will

Sorry again! art is coming it's just i'm having trouble getting it done. i'll try to post some new art up soon!

No need to rush. Not like the internet is going anywhere out of reach.

i worked really hard on this one. took me like 6 to 7 hours to do. hope you like it.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m20/rosered_02/neko-maid-finished.jpg

UPDATE!

Good effort. I do realize this took you many hours to do, and I really hate to be critical, and I'd hate to set off another flame war, so please take this as well as you can... Remember, a good artist appreciates one's opinion, especially if it's for their aid.
But. There are several things I need to point out:

The left side of her face is all wonky and not properly aligned; as is her nose, it looks turned up, kind of squished.

Her right (on your left) little finger is too long for it to be at that angle.

And her breasts aren't properly proportioned either. Too wide for it to be that high up, and too pointy. Plus, she needs a boob crack. Yes, needs. With her dress cut like that, she requires a boob crack. To me, that is. :mellow:

Her left ear probably shouldn't be grey. It wouldn't make sense, since the light source is at the left and her right (on your left!) ear seems darker than the other. Even so, it shouldn't be that shade of grey, even if the light source was on the other side.

The background is harsh and it clashes. It looks like you just got a paintbucket and smacked on a simple gradient. The leaves, grass and flowers also look too fake and two-dimensional to suit the picture. Add some texture to them.

And why is the grass transparent in front of her legs? There are two explanations I can think of to justify this. One, you drew the grass with a brush at low opacity, thus leaving the picture at that. For this, I could suggest moving the grass behind her. Or if you want to keep the grass at front, make it darker. It certainly shouldn't be that vivid in the first place at that time of night. And you should add shadows to it.
Reason two is a bit convoluted, but plausible. It is that you tried to make her seem like a ghost by making her transparent around the ankles. If so, definetely a half-assed job of doing so. I do not wish to elaborate this one, it'd take some effort.

And the lantern. By the way it is drawn with her hair blocking part of the glow (as it would seem so, since the bottom left of her hair is not highlighted), it would seem that [the lantern] is suppose to be behind her? if so, then the angle of the light would certainly be different and the parts of her that you highlighted should not be hightlighted at all; as well as the stick not being drawn prperly to show the perspective. And why does the top right quadrant of the lantern not glow as the rest is?

Sorry. It is a good effort, but could use a lot of cleaning up to make better.
And I'm sure M has something to add about this one, out of all of them, for sure.
Don't hurt me, and don't cry either. It's not worth it.

oh damn it to hell! i try and try and it's still not good enough? damn...i'm afraid of what m will say if you said that. i know some places aren't all that. when i did it i didn't see the grey part of her ear until i finished it along with with the grass. i was using the selection tool to get it right.
oh and the light source is coming from right next to her not behind the hair. it would totally different if it was behind.
hey at least i put effort into.

Ahh... I knew it.

Don't react like that.
Did you truly believe that you'd improve so quickly? Really? That's just plain silly. I might even go so far as to say it's bullshit, but I endeavor to be subtle.

Skill is not something that comes to you suddenly overnight. You should know this, it's impractical. Foolish. Childish. And yet you say that you try, you try, and you try as if you've been spending every moment of your existence toiling so that one day, you'd create art that could be considered beautiful.

How old are you? With that maturity, that blindness—certainly not old enough to realize that you are not perfect; and that if you truly want to be, it is going to take effort, [I]time, and patience. Have you not these qualities? If you truly want to improve with the least amount of pain, you would do well with obtaining them quickly, or you might as well give up now.

And once again, here. You find yourself tripping through all the stages of grief. Accept it. You're no Michelangelo. You could never be with that attitude.

Heh, I haven't been on the forums for awhile, sorry for the huge delay.


dude...even though you are trying to help. that hurt a little. can't you dim it donw a little? anyway my dad just wanted me to make sure that i don't get my stuff stolen and anyway this is the us. and people can steal it dispit it's yours
Yes, people can steal things even if they're yours, hence "stealing." Still, anything you make is automatically copyrighted, so there's no need to declare that. And not to be offensive, but there are a trillion artists out there who are better than you (and me), the point being, you don't have to worry about your work being stolen. If people want to steal art, there are much better artists to steal from. ;)

....anyway...are you good at art? can you draw?
I'm pretty good, yes. Much better than anyone I know personally anyway, and I'm sure I could give anyone on these boards a good (great?) run for their money as well. That's not saying much though, as I don't know any great artists in real life or at Ichigo's. We're all just decent at best, heheh. X3

i can understand you wanting to help but don't be so hrash....thta hurts a person ya know
The truth shouldn't hurt, unless you're too immature to handle it. You suck at drawing. I suck at drawing. Everyone I know sucks at drawing. It's all fine as long as you're trying your best. In time, if you keep at it, you'll be an amazing artist, so don't worry about how good you are now. Just keep on drawing and improving yourself. Nobody's perfect! :)

....anyway i like the color black and i couldn't think of anything else...
It doesn't matter if you like black. The color black *doesn't exist* in real life. Take a photograph of yourself. You have black hair right? Now put the photo into the computer, and use the color-picker on your hair. It will not be black. It'll be a dark shade of green, blue, red, or whatever, depending on the lighting and the photograph. Same thing with any good painting - good painters will almost NEVER use black. Their dark colors that *look* black to the untrained eye are actually dark purples and such.


....i just hate this...i shouldn't have come here....i don't liek to be hrashly critized like that and i would like it if you try not ot be like that...
thanks. anyway i was going to take that stuff down but i was bussy and had to get off.

Again, you're bad at drawing. Don't feel bad when people tell you that. Even if you are bad at drawing, you're still much better than the average person who doesn't draw, meaning your practice and hard work is paying off. Meaning you'll be awesome some day as long as you don't let your artistic...ineptitude get you down. Keep going! Never give up! Trust your instincts! Do a barrel roll! (heheh.)

And for the record, your newer drawings are getting better. The angel with the wing-tattoos is especially good. The anatomy is much better than that of your other pictures. It shows that you used a reference; Nice work. :)

(cough) ok, stop, mistrust, you gotta stop doin that. Not to be mean, but you do gotta accept some critisizm. I mean, what your getting is much better than somone just up and saying your drawings suck. Just calm down and listen to what people have to say. That's the way of becoming a better artist.

And Methodx, you gotta stop treating her like she's a dumbass, it's hard for people sometimes to understand things. As it seems, she isn't used to this kinda stuff.
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As for the art Mistrust, it a fairly good improvement, but all I have to say is that:

I noticed some fuzzyness on her shirt And the fingers look a bit like sausages, but don't fret, for I have a hella hard time to make hands. As Hopless told me to draw a million hands don't think I'll actually do that, but I'm sure it'll help lots. It's all a matter of practice. The more you draw, the better you get. And you'll always have mistakes, everyone does, even the greatest artist in the world.

Art isn't a matter of competition, art, is the act of presenting your talents to the world. And not to aim for perfection, but to try your best effort.

Perfection is not that of any individual's specialty in this world, only to exceed limits and try their best.

Heh, speaking of practice, allow me to link you people to another artist from the megatokyo forums. (Sorry mods, I hope this is excusable, since it's to prove a point. I don't think this link is going to break the internet.)

Here's an artist that actually reminds me a lot of mistrust: bad at taking criticism, bad at drawing. This was his work two years ago.
http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1705415&hl=

When he first joined the megatokyo forum, he posted some...less than awesome art, and people told him plainly that he wasn't very good. He flipped out and everyone yelled back at him, sort of like this thread. He apologized for his noobishness, and promised to practice hard and become a better artist. Anyway, he kept his promise, and this is his work a mere two years later:
http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1724680

Pretty good right? That's a pretty big jump in two years, so...yeah. Don't worry how bad you might be now, all you need to do is keep working. Anybody can draw; it's not that hard. Most people are just too lazy to commit themselves to becoming better.

Also, I'm watching Death Note right now...is anyone else here reminded of L by his second drawing? Hahah. XD
I think it's the shape of his eyes, heh.

i know i'm not perfect that's why i try.I know i won't get better over night but yeah i still try. anyway i've improved alot in two years. right now i'm working on a real drawing. one of my friend. once it's done. judge me on that. I'll get as good as all the rest. all the famous artist. hehehe. but that will take some years of pratice. oh and i'm 15 in the 8th grade.
oh and stop calling me a "bad" artist. that does nothing to help ya know. anyway i'm better than most even when i'm not all tthe way up there.
oh and stop stirring up the past posts. OK? i looked at the other guys art work and it was ify but mine is not as bad as that. I"m not trying to start another fight but i'm going to stop listining to you. just nothing you can do to really help me get pushed in the right derction. '
Learn to share compastion but still help the person.
that's what you need to work on.
yeah crimson d. i'm working hard and i want to reach to get everything prefect but that's impossible. i'm only human so yeah i know with mistakes comes improvment don't ya think?
EVen with the critisim that comes from hard people that have no emtion i'll still post my art up for the viewer's eye and i'll still work hard to improve. just to show you how much i've improved to this level i'll show you one of my years ago drawings. it's scary and it's just an exmaple. so no comments like methonx and hopeless composer.
oh and methonx. it's only human to get upset about people calling your are 'shit' especailly whe3n they have talent. i'm not complaining or nothing it's just a pet pev i just dislike in people.

Hah, I gave you the nicest crit I've given anyone in a long time. X3
Oh well, a lost cause I guess. Good luck improving anyway.

Ah, also:

oh and methonx. it's only human to get upset about people calling your are 'shit' especailly whe3n they have talent. i'm not complaining or nothing it's just a pet pev i just dislike in people.
When I was at your skill level, I readily called my work shit, because it was. Heh, even when I was a bit better than you, I considered my work pretty shitty. Hell, today my friends will tell me if a drawing of mine is shitty, and I'll laugh and agree with them, because they're right. Here, I'll show you what I think "decent" is:
http://www.portalgraphics.net/data/fullsize/56000/rinca_blue_roses.jpg

http://www.portalgraphics.net/data/fullsize/54000/shirotaka_epuron.jpg

http://www.portalgraphics.net/data/fullsize/36000/m_neko_none08.jpg

http://www.portalgraphics.net/data/fullsize/13000/kajiji_2002sum.jpg

There. Now you know what a "decent" artist is for me. When I can draw like them, I'll stop blushing when I show people my drawings. When you can draw like them, I'll start considering you good. ;P
I can assure you, all the artists that drew the pictures I just showed you consider themselves "okay" at best. So what does that make us by comparison? ;)

I guess I'm a demon for being able to accept how good (bad?) I am at any given time.

Of course, art is subjective. So technically you can call yourself a good artist if you want to. But me and MethodX are not obligated to agree with you. So:
1.)You shouldn't care what we think.
2.)You shouldn't get mad at anybody if they think you're a bad artist. Because to them, you are.

::shrug::

i can't even see the pictures. ansd i won't listen to either of ya.

There's a lesson to this story, kids. Sadly the pupil did not widen to the lecture.

I can't see the pictures either. You suck, HC :P

i can't even see the pictures. ansd i won't listen to either of ya.

Then I don't see a reason to keep this topic open any longer.