There's some great poets on here... maybe a competition to showcase them? I'd be happy to volunteer for judging and there's a lot of other English Lit bods on here who might like to help? :)

I do! ^_^

A lot of people can play different instruments...

we have great poets...

...Ichigos can have its own band...

the composers write the music.. poets do the lyrics...

whadaya think

Exacly how would we get together? Some of us are under 18, and I doubt that our parents would let us meet some person we met over the internet. Not to mention we live all over the globe, and some of us don't have the money (Like me, I'm poor).

and...
Some of us just dont feel safe about that..

There's an allllternative - me and Alphonse did this for my Christmas compo ;) We send the sheet music for the different parts out to everyone, then they record their own parts as wav files and then someone combines them all together. So it is possible, and you don't have to identify yourself :) An Ichigos theme tune!

You caught me there. But is there some one willing to round up troops?

Haha, we need someone to compose the piece first ^_^ Well, if we find out what instrumentalists we have available, that helps the composer a lot. I play violin (badly) and sing in the alto range down to G below middle C, but I can also reach top C when pushed.

Lol. I'd be happy to play (clarinet) as long as we found someone to compose. Maybe someone should make a thread where it'd be easier to discuss it and throw ideas around, rather than here in Suggestions?

Yeah, or we'll get eaten by an Admin XD

Edit: Oh, looky looky, it's Alphonse! :D

I'd be willing, but something tells me this isn't the place to discuss it. -_-

Originally posted by madmazda86@Dec 28 2004, 08:40 PM
Edit: Oh, looky looky, it's Alphonse! :D
hey now! I know what's up your sleeves! =P

Anyways, this thread can be easily split and moved off to the composition forum if you guys are really interested =)

*waits for admin/mod*

Tadaaa ;) So far:

madmazda86 (violin or singing) (also if nobody else volunteers to compose it then I don't mind, but there's much better composers out there than me and we want it to be really good :D)
ran tan (clarinet)
Sondagger (general show of interest)

What ideas do you have for the music?

[edit] removed extraneous wordage :/

I think we got to the point of 'we need some' for the ideas of the music. I guess it'd have to be something that most people can manage to play, but which isn't so simle that advanced ones would get totally bored.

Wait, I am sooo confused. You want to make a theme for Ichigo's, I got that much. But do you actually want to play it or do you just want to write it and like make it a midi or something. Someone fill me in, please!!!!

I THINK what it is is, someone (or someones) writes parts for everyone, presumably posts the sheet music so we can read off it, and everyone plays their bit on their instrument of choice and records it. That's the HIGHLY simplified version of what I believe the idea is.

I think that's the idea :heh: In terms of ideas... what is Ichigos - what makes it what it is?

well I play the Tenor Sax and I love to sing but my all time fave is drawing/writing! so I would LOVE to help with the poeting um here's one I hope you like it took me a while thought......
Let me cry for you,lonely heart,And let me call your name.Let me stay by your side,Let me learn what I can about you,Tell me what you think.Let me hold you,just this once,Let me see your face.Dont hide your scars from me;Im not afraid to see them.Please,Let my tears fall for you.Dont hide anymore.Im here now.And evn when your scared,Let me tell you it's alright.Let me be in your heart and memories.........Eternally...

Good took me a long time please say yes and sorry if im not as good this time as I was this peom.

It's a nice poem, but we haven't really decided what we want the composition to be yet! ;) Is it gonna be orchestral, a solo, a duet, or anything like that... Sometimes it's easier to write the lyrics after listening to the song :)

huh? well I know I wanna hear it before I make a poem I just wanted you to see what my style is and if you will allow me to write for yall..

I still don't get the whole concept, but I'll donate what few skills I have.
I play trumpet

Originally posted by madmazda86@Dec 28 2004, 08:36 PM
I play violin (badly) and sing in the alto range down to G below middle C, but I can also reach top C when pushed.
Big deal. *Anybody* could probably reach top C when pushed...off a cliff... :shifty:

Originally posted by madmazda86@Dec 28 2004, 07:33 PM
There's an allllternative - me and Alphonse did this for my Christmas compo ;) We send the sheet music for the different parts out to everyone, then they record their own parts as wav files and then someone combines them all together. So it is possible, and you don't have to identify yourself :) An Ichigos theme tune!
Make sure you include a metronome speed...Everybody has different ideas about how fast andante or allegretto go...so don't give us an expression. I'll gladly play a clarinet part or piano(but only if the piano part is ridiculously simple XD).

I'm a 3rd year clarinet and for piano...I can only play the first measure of Für Elise.

Yupyup, we'll try and do it all through the same recording software and notation programs if we end up going ahead with this ^_^

*pushes Edwin off a cliff to see if HE can reach top C* XD

I may be able to help out too, though I'm not very skilled =_=

I could probably manage a little melody on guitar or synthed instrument ^.^

:lol:

o wow this looks fun. Count me in. I like writing Poetry and composing, but i prefer to write the lyrics. PM me when something happens, relatively to the band. Can someone tell me, what is required or needed to do? Also, what type of music should it be? Rock, pop, solo? etc. PM me with answers or reply. Thanks!

hm... perhaps I can help out too? I play the Chinese Piano (a.k.a zither) and I know some knowledge about Chinese music so I can make the theme song er... more international? :/ (even though i am not too professional on playing, but I still can make good music out of it :P )

Lol, this is never going to work if you continue on it this way. So you have multiple composers and poets? ;_; I suggest you have ONE composer, and ONE lyric..dude? The rest can help out on all the other things.

Noir's right. Someone needs to take charge. Or we need to do it the democratic way. ^_^

Anyway, I can't compose or write, but I do play percussion and bassoon. And I could rouse up a couple of percussionist friends who could lend a hand. Let me know what you need once we figure out what is going to be played.

I completely disagree with the whole concept of recording and sending. Because each person will NOT do it at exactly the same time, and thus it will be sounding a bit off. However, what I do think should be done is that the composer, preferably a pianoists, records it on piano or something. Then he sends it to the next person, who plays the music and records into it as the music is playing, and then sends it to the next person, who now has the original piano, the person who played it before him, and can now add his part in.

Granted, I have no idea how this would be done without making the song sound progressively worse each time, but I think its better then trying to fit together a bunch of people playing at different tempos(even if slightly) and getting it together.

In fact, why bother in the first place? It would sound better if the composer just made it in Finale or Sonar (like Noir does), and then converted it to mp3. There's no way you can expect a better qualty composition than the conversion to an mp3 when your across the Internet playing instruments into the microphone. Unless someone has some audio editing abilities, and it still won't be as clean.

And as for the lyrics, just because people can write poetry doesn't mean its the same as lyrics. Also, lyrics don't have to rhyme, btw. Finally, I'm sure people say they can play an instrument, and I believe that they can. The question is, how well can they play the instrument? Noone wants to hear a clarinet squeaking out a tune, or a bunch of missed high notes on a trumpet, and even more.....a person has to sing. Noone wants to hear a bad singer. Nor a semi-good singer. An ok song is not worth making.

Overall, I think this sounds like a nice dream, but not likely to turn out good. I'll join, though, if you guys can show or at least give a plan on how it won't turn out being like crap. I play trumpet and piano, both for 7 years, and I'm very good at trumpet, and I'm decent at piano, just need practice (I'm not good with sight-reading on piano.)

I play violin and I'm a great writer! Count me in if you need help! By the way I'm Sakusora! Just changed my name to Sora...lol

The whole concept is fine, but I think it should be composed by one person only (with notation, so that others can change/add parts later on).

And also;
An ok song is not worth making.

I agree with Noir7 on this one.....

I think we could manage it if...

1. We all use the same notation program to play it - everyone around here seems to use Finale so chucking a .MUS file around the instrumentalists would probably be best. Then that way there's no issues with notation and tempo.

2. We keep the parts simple and at slow tempo - I know there's people who are very advanced on their instruments and would find it hideously boring, but it's better that everyone can play a simple part well than a complex part badly. It makes it easier to keep in time, too.

3. We also keep the parts down - I would say no more than 8 individual instruments, and that's an absolute maximum. Any more than that and the piece would be a nightmare to put together.

4. The best recording method would be to play along to the melody through headphones and then record it with a microphone, thus you're keeping to tempo without recording the midi melody as well as your own playing.

5. Each person records their part several times in separate files, then zips it up and uploads it somewhere it can be downloaded, or sent over MSN. This way we have several versions of the same part and we can mix it together, as each time you play different parts of it might sound better. This was very useful when Alphonse recorded the alto part of my composition, as each time he sung different bits better.

6. Bear in mind that even in a standard instrumental performance people's durations sometimes go over that which is notated - however, with an audio program such as CoolEdit it's possible to cut any durations that run over the notation using a midi piano part as a guideline.

7. We have a single composer, who chucks the individual .MUS file of the instrumentalist part and the whole piece to each player so they can hear how their part fits in with the others.

8. Lyrics come in after the piece is written - that's if we HAVE lyrics. Worry about that after, as I'm sure writers won't have any difficulty fitting into the mood set by the composer :)

As for why bother - well, why not? Sure, it won't be of the same quality of a midi-converted-to-mp3, but you don't have the instrumentalist's personalities in a midi piece, whereas in a live performance the song is given its own unique feel. It's a chance for people to play together and if it sounds nice overall, we'll have achieved something :) Where's the logic in squashing an idea and saying "what's the point" when it might turn out to be very good? Yes, we won't know till we've tried it, but saying that kind of stuff makes one more determined to prove you wrong ;) Hopefully we'll succeed, and if not, we'll scrap it and reminisce about it some time in the future :P

Hm.. I'll think about joining in later, and I'll pin this thread depending of how well it turns out.

:doh: I'm kinda guessing with that long spiel I made above I just volunteered myself to lead all of this - haha, never mind XD

Anyway, to get the right feel for the piece - what do you feel when you think about Ichigos and the people on this forum? I think it'd be interesting to have a theme or motif for each admin and global mod ^_^

Nono - I disagree. it should have nothing to do with admins/mods. It should just be a general idea of the forum as a whole.

Fair dos, though we should have some themes and things running through it. I think probably the easiest piece for a group to play would be a ground bass piece as it means we can loop the parts where necessarily and it's also possible to give people solos and duets during it. It also means that nobody would have a really complex part to play...

I think everyone should be able to compose a little. One person can start it and send their piece out to everyone involed. Then everyone could mess around with it and when their done, post a midi file or something. Then you select which one is the best(in like a poll or something) and go from there. It could work

Sounds good! I'll start with a C Major Chord, and you can then add an E minor or F Major chord! Actually, I have a better idea. Why don't I just randomly bash my head against my keyboard and write those notes down. I'm sure that will end up as a good composition that way also.

Seriously, that won't work. People have different composing styles, and it would really be bad to jump from one style to another. Not only that, but some people are better then others, and if it sounds good, then bad, then good, then bad........that's not going to be a good song overall.

Nooooooooo. We all make our own versions then vote on the best.

Well, I thought it was a good idea anyway

It's possible, but we don't want all those other composers to have made a wasted effort if we like somebody else's better - besides that, we haven't actually had any composers volunteer besides me XD Al is exempt 'cause he's taking a break - I'm hoping someone else better than I am will volunteer to do it ;)

I could help compose(if you're really desperate). I'm not very good at all, so keep that in mind . I'll give it a try though. But I need to know what instruments, and what style we want the music to be

Haha, I'm not very good either XD We'll see who else volunteers ;)

First of all, if we compose just a few measures per person, we'll end up with a really bad song, believe me.


Originally posted by madmazda86
we don't want all those other composers to have made a wasted effort if we like somebody else's better

That's what composing is all about. :bleh:

Aye, yeah, but it's sad to tell someone who's spent all this time making a song "Nah, we like x's better" - really nullifies all the time they spent on it :(

People should pick the best song. I sure wouldn't want a song that I thought was okay over a song that I really liked. If someone's going to submit a composition, then feel heart broke if it doesn't get accepted, then they shouldn't do it in the first place.

And no, it doesn't nullify the time they spent on it. They made a really good composition, for themselves, to be proud of and enjoy. That in itself, to have made a good composition, should be more than enough to make the composer satisified.

Originally posted by madmazda86@Dec 30 2004, 02:09 AM
Aye, yeah, but it's sad to tell someone who's spent all this time making a song "Nah, we like x's better" - really nullifies all the time they spent on it :(
Well, it's either that or a bad song. I'm sure everyone would like to work on a better song, and dealing with the 'pain' of choosing a better composition.

Okayokayokay ;) I defer to you guys 'cause I'm much newer to composing - I just don't want anybody feeling bad but the points you've made are fair :) So in that case we open it up for multiple composers to submit their songs and then everyone else picks the best through a poll?

If we do do that then I strongly suggest a seperate thread.

That's a big If, though.

wow, i just now stumbles upon this thread, and i think its an awesome idea, and for the composing thing, maybe we could try an already made piece first?

But if we do that, isn't the whole purpose of this band ruined? :P I mean, it's supposed to be about Ichigo's. =P

:D Guess thats what i get for posting here and not reading every post

Well, we need people to actually volunteer to try and compose first :P Carnival and I have volunteered, so that's two, but we need more instrumentalists as their ranges and capabilities have to be borne in mind when composing :)

So far:

2x violin (me and Sakusora)
2x clarinet (ran tan and plod)
1x tenor sax (kariekh)
1x alto sax (Starwind)
2x guitar (jujemu, Starwind)
Sukarufu (zither)
1x bassoon/percussion (Sondagger)
2x trumpet (Carnival and Nightmare)
2x piano (Nightmare, Starwind)

It's a nice selection, but the more variety there is the more we can pick out for the song - but it's possible to have first and second violin etc.

@Starwind - we could do an arrangement of a song that's on Ichigos already, but there might be a bit of disagreement as lots of people like songs from different animes so we might not necessarily agree on a single one...

Maybe we could try playing an arrangement to see if the concept will work, before trying a completely new composition?

I nominate Noir for composer!

Add me to that list for Alto Sax, Piano, and/or Guitar. :D

I might try composing something... is it supposed to be like the 'Ichigo's Theme'?

But nominate doesn't necessarily mean he volunteers ;)

*adds Starwind to list*

But is he willing? :think:

Oh and I also play piano, btu I'm not interested in doing it. But if you really need me I'll do it. I doubt it though, because you've got Nightmare. :)

I just spoke in circles :blink:

Originally posted by Nightmare+Dec 29 2004, 05:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nightmare &#064; Dec 29 2004, 05:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>And no, it doesn&#39;t nullify the time they spent on it. They made a really good composition, for themselves, to be proud of and enjoy. That in itself, to have made a good composition, should be more than enough to make the composer satisified.[/b]
Think of it as a learning experience. Any practice you can get can be potentially useful. Wipe your tears, analyze what&#39;s good and what&#39;s not, what was liked and what wasn&#39;t, make changes and improve. ^.^

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yeah&#33; :lol:

hmm, when we get there, im interested in hearing everyones composition (everyone who volunteers)

yup, everyone experiences Ichigo&#39;s in their own personal way, so it&#39;ll be cool to hear everyones&#39; music ideas. ^_^

sounds cool. i would like to volunteer and help this band thing if thats ok with everyone.

Well, this certainly caught my attention. I am quite interested in this, and would like to help if there is still room. I have 13 years of piano experience and.. well.. that&#39;s pretty much it, other than knowing the violin (but not as long as the piano).

I can also try composing something, but I&#39;m a bit confused on that subject. Can it just be with one instrument and then, if it is chosen, more of them will follow? (sorry if that doesn&#39;t make sense)

if i do get to help.. i guess i&#39;ll compose.

Here you go madmazda, updated list ^^



2x violin (Madmazda, Sakusora, Aggie?, Diamond)
2x clarinet (Ranom Tangent, Plod, Princeofdeath)
1x tenor sax (Kariekh)
1x alto sax (Starwind)
1x flute/piccolo (Princeofdeath, Thorn)
2x guitar (Jujemu, Starwind)
1x zither (Sukarufu)
1x bassoon (Sondagger, Princeofdeath)
1x oboe (Princeofdeath)
1x percussion (Sondagger)
2x trumpet (Carnival, Nightmare)
2x piano (Nightmare, Starwind, Aggie, Alphonse, Sondagger?, Princeofdeath)
?x singers (?)

I&#39;ve added myself to the piano =) . . and I can help out with generally everything else except for the actual composing (but I wouldn&#39;t mind arranging or something like that). I can also help madmazda with the editing program that puts all the files together, but I think neither of us have any software that actually fixes the quality of the files, such as removing background hiss and hum (well actually, I do, but I don&#39;t know how to use it).

Interested composers:
Madmazda
Carnival
Yellowmonkey121
Sukarufu (international flavour)
Thorn
Noir?
Selinity?

Interested lyricists:
Kariekh
Selinity
Princeofdeath

~~

Issues:

1) So we need ideas . . how exactly do we make a song about a forum? =P . . also, what style of music would it be?

2) I think it should be decided now whether or not we want this to be sung. That way the composer can take that into account, and can work in conjunction with the writer (makes life easier for both parties).

3) Nightmare made a good point about the quality of the recording. Even if we record while listening to the file on headphones, would everybody have a good microphone and a decent recording software?

4) So apparently there are two main methods for recording . . the first (as suggested by madmazda) is recording your part while listening to the midi (the midi must be able to perform all the tempo changes), the second (as suggested by Nightmare) is recording your part while listening to somebody else&#39;s part prerecorded. I think that using both techniques together is fine as long as we can incorporate everything properly and be consistent in how we do it. These are minor details that can be dealt with later.

5) Yes, having one composer is the only way to go about it . . but it seems like you guys want to be able to choose the best song? That means . . it could be the next Composition of the Month Awards&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

6) But before that, I agree with madmazda that it&#39;s a good idea to put all this to practice first with an arrangement.

I don&#39;t think the song should have word. We should go with just instruments.

yeah, unless we got like some lotr choir thing going :lol: ... i dunno how well guitars would go with concert band instruments either...

and jujemu, acoustic or electric?

I will try to help as much as I can&#33; ^_^

I was woundering if I could help at all. I have a bass-Soprano 2 vocal range, I can play piano, Basson, Obeo, Clarenet, Flute, and Piccalo. Plus I am really good at composing poems? If you need me PLEASE TELLLLLLL.

dang, lot of typos and misspellings, but thats like the whole symphony right there :D

im glad we atleast got a flute and bassoon

Oh I see a singer part is open so I am in the chorus {or choir} and I was in that since kindergarden so I think I can get more people and I can also write like I&#39;ve said but the thing is who to go it posted up here I was wondering anyone can help with that besides i&#39;ve been learning a lot about my eMac now so I think I san do it oh and I say we do mulit things in the songs {Jazz,scary,happy,ect.......} so we will all be happy and we morph them like to fit I hoped I made sence. please PM me or e-mail me at Kariekh@Yahoo.com so I can learn thank you&#33; ^_^

Originally posted by Al@Dec 30 2004, 10:46 AM
2) I think it should be decided now whether or not we want this to be sung. That way the composer can take that into account, and can work in conjunction with the writer (makes life easier for both parties).
Nothing&#39;s decided yet, calm down&#33; =P

So lets decide now&#33; :D

I vote no singing

:mellow: sorry anyone who wanted to sing

Edit: Just saw ur #6 Al. I think your right, even if it&#39;s just practice. We should see how it would work out.

I think an instrumental piece is a good idea - it allows more scope for the instrumentalists because if we have a singer it means we have to tone down the instrumental accompaniment :)

So... if we&#39;re gonna start off with an arrangement, what will it be? I think Coppelia&#39;s Coffin (Noir) would be an interesting song to arrange for orchestra, with the vocals being played by instruments. It&#39;d certainly be different ;)

something from final fantasy maybe? www.nobuouematsu.com (http://www.nobuouematsu.com/sheet2.html#band)has a lot of FF music already arranged for orchestra. most are only concert band, but lke the violins can read off the flute part.

XD there wasn&#39;t much interest in the arrangement contest if I recall correctly . .

FF? Um . . I like Tifa&#39;s Theme from FFVII . . I don&#39;t know many songs though ._. sorry . .

Edit in response to Starwind: I love Melodies of Life&#33; ^^

has anyone heard melodies of life?

Moi has heard Melodies of life, and continually I strive for perfection at it... Why i do not know... Anyhow... I do suppose I can do some piano parts, or a trumpet part... The problem is recording it onto midi... I can orchestrate everything perfectly in my program, but I can only record piano parts from my own to it... I think I also have a beautiful voice (being totally modest) but I don&#39;t really sing much. I believe I&#39;m a tenor... XD . Oh well. I play all brass, and the saxes sorta... For a good sax person, contact Saxmasta69 or something like that. I know him, so we can do a recording session, but that is the extent of my prowess. I can play tuba pretty darn well, though. I usually play what ppl need me to play, so if you guys need me on flute or clarinet... XD XD :sweatdrop: I suppose I can learn...

I was thinking their band version of One Winged Angel. And for the parts that noone plays an instrument for, we can just play the sheet music with a different instrument.

Wait. If this is supposed to be a theme for ichigo&#39;s, why are we arranging something? We should make an original comp.

We want to test our ability to work together first, to see if we can actually perform something decently =)

OHHHHHHHH. Ok

Originally posted by Starwind@Dec 30 2004, 01:53 PM
yeah, unless we got like some lotr choir thing going :lol: ... i dunno how well guitars would go with concert band instruments either...

and jujemu, acoustic or electric?
I was thinking electric, &#39;cause I could play with the timbre a little. Only I realized that I don&#39;t really have access to any good digital recording equipment :doh: so I may have to sit out - at least for the time being =_=

I can play all 4 flutes (piccolo, flute, alto/bass flute) if you need any of those... I&#39;ll also be happy to help with composing if you need any.

Well....since I was one of the 1st volunteers, I&#39;m obviously willing. But I&#39;m not sure what sort of quality our recoding stuff is. Hopefully I&#39;ll be able to first FIND it, and then find out if it&#39;ll work for this. Otherwise, I might have to get someone to help me with where to find a mic, since there&#39;s a few other things I&#39;ve been thinking about recording as well.

ran tan - Big W, Verbatim desktop microphone, &#036;11.41 or summat :) Cheaper than Tandy&#33;

In terms of software - I recommend Acoustica MP3 Audio mixer but the trial only lasts for 30 days so get it as late as you possibly can, only once you&#39;ve gotten the sheet music :)

I think some easier piece should be arranged, like Cornelia Castle (http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/nes/ff1cast2.mid) from FFI. It uses very predictible and easy chords (Canon-ish) I think we have the sheets on the main site aswell.

If we&#39;re gonna have a vocal(s), then a question arises:

do we write lyrics first, or the music first?

Well, since the music quality comes way before words, then I&#39;d say we compose it first, and then add lyrics.

are you sure...? usually all the songs are written at the same time as the music

(guys sitting, drinking beer, making up a song and music to match it)

This is really important: what if the music is too &#39;something&#39; and it turns out impossible to write a song?

This is REALLY EXCITING&#33;&#33;&#33; ... Um... I don&#39;t have finale... I dunno what to do... Mebbe I could get it... about what&#39;s the price range...? Man... This idea is cool, but I reaaallly don&#39;t think I can get finale before you guys start orchestrating it...

Lets decide on a piece&#33;&#33; :D :D

Square-Enix now charges a royalty fee to all those who wish to perform and/or arrange Final fantasy music for their field shows, concert band/orchestra, or any other performance venue.

Please visit: www.mpa.org/copyright/pta.html

This is the &#39;permission to arrange&#39; form that Square-Enix will make you fill out along with a royalty fee check to arrange their music. This will allow you to legally do all the FF performances that year. You can send it directly to Square-Enix, but it may be wise to contact them first to see if the fee has increased.

Does this apply to us? It&#39;s from nobuouematsu.com - if so we&#39;re better off using a piece from Ichigos :)

And I agree with Noir - much easier to write lyrics once you have a feel for how the song goes :)

guess thats decided.

Alright, we have all the known instruments available, but who&#39;s the vocal?

Can anyone here sing?

How many singers should we have? maybe 2,3? a mix between male and female? what?

hey, we can do zelda&#33; everyone here knows that one

Same issues with copyright tho - are we allowed to perform these songs and distribute the performance in the public domain?

humm, wut could we played that wont get us sued...

*sighs* the only answer to that would be non-copyrighted music, which means an original composition. Anyone ever fancied hearing what it was like having their compo played live?

Noir, did any of ur compositions have this many instruments in them?

maybe you could arrange one to fit our current... orchestra.

an updated list anybody? :D

Show spoiler (javascript:void(0);)<span style="display: none;" id="QUOTE"> haha, i got nuttin </span>

Um well I think we need a tempo before we can add lyrics...nice spoilers&#33; ^_^

I think we need a song before we can add lyrics

Originally posted by Starwind@Jan 2 2005, 03:51 AM
Noir, did any of ur compositions have this many instruments in them?
No, but we could try to arrange one of them with our instrument list :P

(and then go over to the original Ichigo composition..)

Music:
madmazda86 (Violin)
Sakusora (Violin)
random tangent (Clarinet)
kariekh (Tenor Saxophone)
Carnival (Trumpet)
Plod (Clarinet, Piano)
Sukarufu (Zither)
Nightmare (Trumpet, Piano)
Sora (Violin)
Starwind (Alto Saxophone, Guitar, Piano)
Jujemy (Guitar)
Sondagger (Bassoon/Percussion)
Aggie (Piano)
Al (Piano)

Composing:
Noir7 (?)
madmazda86
Selinity
Aggie
yellowmonkey121

Lyrics:
Alone
Selinity
Sora
Princeofdeath

Vocals:
madmazda86
kariekh
Princeofdeath
Sondagger

Maybe it&#39;s just me, but I don&#39;t think a zither would go well with everything else(sorry Sukarufu). But that&#39;s just my opinion.

Originally posted by madmazda86@Jan 1 2005, 03:39 AM
Does this apply to us? It&#39;s from nobuouematsu.com - if so we&#39;re better off using a piece from Ichigos :)
No, because its just as illegal as anywhere else. It does indeed apply to us. Though arranging sheet music and distributing it without the author&#39;s permission is illegal, its one of those things that people somewhat let go. I don&#39;t think we&#39;d get in much trouble for that.

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This music cannot be reposted or sold in any way.

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So therefore with Gand and Spoony&#39;s permission we can arrange and perform a piece on Ichigos as they own the copyright to those transcriptions?

Yeah, and this isn&#39;t for pay, we&#39;re doing this privately. And to me this is educational. It probably is for other people as well.


Oh and for voice. I&#39;ll be willing to lend my talents for that as well. I sing first soprano if anybody&#39;s wondering.

So let&#39;s pick a piece/composition from ichigos&#33; :D

*chanting* Long Journey Home&#33; Long Journey home&#33;

Alphonse did a Love Hina song for ensemble...

ooh that could work too

The list&#33;&#33; I&#39;m not on the list... :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: Am I not included? At this rate, my summer birthday may very well come before u guys start arranging... :P Don&#39;t leave me out just cause I don&#39;t have finale... Anyways, The arrangement best of Final Fantasy at Nobuouematsu.com is reeeeallly nice, so we could play that. Technically, since the sheet music is free, no one can stop us from playing it, cuz that&#39;d just be freaking stupid. someone saying "you can dl this, but don&#39;t play it or you&#39;ll get in trouble." Anyhow, I can sub in all the instruments we don&#39;t have if we actually DO that one. One of my favs

I just think it would be safer if we did a piece from ichigos. We have good selections here.

are there any ensemble pieces?

I know Fountain of Dreams is for ensemble...

I&#39;m willing to help out. I&#39;ve done piano, drums, guitar, violin, vibes, bells. I can also do composition. First off, I&#39;m not for transcripting a song from final fantasy. If this is for Ichigo and an Ichigo band, I think we should make a song that defines Ichigo itself. Also, what are we aiming for? so far I&#39;ve read is something balled, melodious like final fantasy piece, such as melodies of life.

If we are really going through this, make this a private thread only for ppl who we know won&#39;t backstab us and make it their own, and also against the public eye.

Noir is an awesome composer as well as the others. We should designate one person to compose, and ONLY share it with the composition team and then we can give input and start molding what kind of sound we want.

Lyrical is optional. But seeing as we have a vocal among us, I personally don&#39;t want to waste that kind of opportunity, except for one prob i see. Unless someone is there physically or webcam to show how it should be sung and everything, that would be a challenge. Lyrical also can be shown but not sung, like a storyboard for ppl... unless we just playing the song, that would be useless.

Instruments, in order to record, I&#39;m thinking we do live. We can later import it to Finale (or if anyone has the high end recording systems like Neundo or Cubass or Protools) and fix up all the little things then add whistles and bells if we want.

This is very long post i&#39;ve noticed... anyways, I think this will be a full year or more to finish... as long as it sounds, some of us are still in school (if not, all) and have exams and such along the way. The only time i can think of that will have lots of progress is....well, summer. Also, designate someone to overlook the project, have everyone&#39;s msn, email. keep in contact.

Last note, from all i&#39;ve gathered, this project is not for the weak of heart. We don&#39;t want babies to come in all excited and drop out half way. This will be a commitment ppl.

during summer people will be on vacation :(

but i think it can be done by 2006

EDIT: i think we need a leader. Someone who organizes everything, handout parts to play, sets deadlines, yells at us, etc. Not the composer - he&#39;s busy

How about we ask Spoon to be our...uh...overseer&#33; She can organize us. After all, she&#39;s an admin (well listen to her) and into music

or someone else... comments?

I&#39;m still not understanding how I will be able to be a part of this without finale&#33; I reaaaallly want to do something like this, because it&#39;s very interesting, but it seems that I can&#39;t. is there any way to transport my file if i recorded myself from mp3 to whatever you guys will be able to patch together? And also, we should use adobe reader to send out the sheet music (or Gif files work too). Um, yeah.

well if the band still needs a bass clarinetter, flute player or trumpet player, i&#39;m here

Originally posted by Alone@Jan 2 2005, 06:41 PM
Music:
madmazda86 (Violin)
Sakusora (Violin)
random tangent (Clarinet)
kariekh (Tenor Saxophone)
Carnival (Trumpet)
Plod (Clarinet, Piano)
Sukarufu (Zither)
Nightmare (Trumpet, Piano)
Sora (Violin)
Starwind (Alto Saxophone, Guitar, Piano)
Jujemy (Guitar)
Sondagger (Bassoon/Percussion)
Aggie (Piano)
Al (Piano)

Composing:
Noir7 (?)
madmazda86
Selinity
Aggie
yellowmonkey121

Lyrics:
Alone
Selinity
Sora
Princeofdeath

Vocals:
madmazda86
kariekh
Princeofdeath
Sondagger
Um may i also be on lyrics please?I like lyrics more anyways and I think I would be better their but if I need to be on vocals Im MORE than happy like I said I been singing since well my mom said Pre-K but I thought Kindergarden whatever for about 8 years but I will promise lyric not matter what.Leader I say I can volenter but um really ask yourself a 12 year old a leader?I donno whatever yall deside...I&#39;ll be here waiting.

I say that we start out from a selection of compositions, and the best one that is picked out wins. In fact, perhaps we could do that as the next Composition of the Month thing, and the winner gets his compositions played by the band. Of course, it has to be composed with the list of parts, or a substituting instrument.

@kariekh: If you&#39;ll even consider writing lyrics for this composition, I highly think you should learn how to spell, how to use grammar, and how to write properly.

Yupyup, I know we wanna do an Ichigos composition - all the discussion about transcriptions is because it&#39;d be a good idea to test this idea out by cutting our teeth on a transcription performance before launching a CMA proclaiming that the person&#39;s composition will be performed by the band in case it turns out that the idea does fall to pieces after all :)

You guys can delete me from the list ~ I&#39;m busy with composing for other stuff.

hey, Sondagger, what kind of percussion are we talking here?

Drums, Drum set, bells?

we seem to be missing bass instruments... we need a good thumpin sound to the song...

^_^ ^_^ :D If you guys need bass, I can play tuba, and I&#39;d love to&#33; I believe... That I can convert my recordings to files that I can post here, so mebbe someone could convert that to mus...? And I (unfortunately) Have a sousaphone sitting on my bottom bunk bed, so if anyone wants to forward me some music? Heh. But I will play bass if needed.

yes&#33;&#33; i knew we had some low instruments... -_-, didn&#39;t add them to the score. So what are the instrments you&#39;ll play? Tuba and sousaphone?

I&#39;m still willing to help...ask me to do something if ya need it thanx ^^

Isn&#39;t it about time we actually decide what we want to do, and then start doing it? Too much talking with nothing to show :heh:

I believe the first issue is if we&#39;re starting off with an arrangement or an original composition. We seem divided on that issue . . so how about a vote? If so, then I vote for the test-trial with the arrangement, as suggested by madmazda =)

I too think an arrangement is better to start off with. For one, its much easier to use, and secondly, its only going to take time for a composition.

Indeedy, and the wonderful Starwind is arranging one of Noir&#39;s songs for us (Manishikan Mist) so I&#39;m sure he&#39;ll have it soon&#33; :D

Originally posted by madmazda86@Jan 8 2005, 04:58 PM
Indeedy, and the wonderful Starwind is arranging one of Noir&#39;s songs for us (Manishikan Mist) so I&#39;m sure he&#39;ll have it soon&#33; :D
hehe. i like the sound of that.

well yeah, but i did kinda started without anyones approval (except noir&#39;s of course). so... we don&#39;t really hafta do it. :heh:

Originally posted by Starwind@Jan 6 2005, 06:38 PM
hey, Sondagger, what kind of percussion are we talking here?

Drums, Drum set, bells?
Everything. I&#39;ll play any kind of percussion you guys want me to.

Sounds good then. I&#39;ll be waiting for the arrangement.

If you&#39;ll need a double reeded woodwind to be played, I&#39;ll play my oboe.

I play everything (and have access to everything) except stringed instruments, double reeds, flute and clarinet... so all brass and saxes basically... ^_^ I&#39;ll be willing to play everything except french horn, cause I really suck at it. My forte (no pun intended) has to be the tuba or the piano. Ive been playing for 8 years, but there&#39;s probably more experienced pianists, so I think tuba will be my instrument. (FYI, tuba and sousaphone are the same.. :D )

:D lol :heh:

Ok. Sondagger, everything you say? Im thinkin about mallet percussion, and maybe timpanis, but probly not (Unless you mean everything when you say everything)

*********

Ok guys, lets get some stuf organized. Some important stuff I need to know:

1) Your instrument

2) Your instruments Clef and Range. (Just to make sure...)

3) Your personal range (some people might not be able to hit like the really really really high-enough-to-shatter-paper high notes...)

4) Anything else you wanna add so i dont screw up and look bad XD

*whips out notepad* I&#39;m gonna take notes this time.

yes starwind I mean everything. I specialize in Mallets, but I play literaly everything. I&#39;m in an orchestra for percussion, so I have experience and a teacher. :D
************************************************** ******************
1) Percussion, bassoon, piano, voice

2)percussion- varied; bassoon-bass; piano-bass and treble; voice- treble

3)voice- G below Middle C through two octave C&#39;s above middle C. I&#39;m a first soprano. For the instruments, whatever the instrument allows

4)For percussion as I&#39;ve said I play them all. My order of preference goes in:

-Mallets
-Timpani
-Drumset
-anyother thing

Alrighty. Awesome.

Hmm, something else has come to me guys, i wanna know wut you think about it...

we have a lot of piano players. and it it probly wouldnt work out to mash a whole buncha piano recordings together. So, what do you think about leaving piano parts to only those who dont play something else in the band? :think:

Works for me&#33;

Something tells me I&#39;ll be definately be playing percussion. :doh:

I don&#39;t know if you guys have decided to have a leader yet, but I think it would be better. Starwind obviously took charge and did it very well, so I put my vote on him. *puts vote sticker on his forehead*

If we don&#39;t have a leader, there will just be endless chats and discussions on what to do, and what not to do.. etc.

I vote for Starwind. He seems to know what he&#39;s doing.

And like Noir said, he took charge

1) Trumpet
2) Treble
3) Well, I can hit high C, but not perfectly cleanly, so around high A is best, but I can do high C if its progessing there.

Don&#39;t forget, for each instrument recorded, the audio file needs to be cleaned up, or you&#39;ll have a bunch of static in it, to whoever is working on the audio stuff and peicing them together.

Yeah, starwind can be the leader. But I don&#39;t think this song will turn out well.

Originally posted by Nightmare@Jan 10 2005, 12:47 AM


Yeah, starwind can be the leader. But I don&#39;t think this song will turn out well.
I also say starwind but gosh do you have to look at the bad things so fast?We might sound good but like I said I call Lyrics as I have been saying for a long time now and I have been trying to improve on my grammer so I dont think singers are needed huh?Oh but if yall need info on my singing I can go high F sometimes G.

Yes, I do, kariekh. Because if I didn&#39;t then I would be ignorant, as I&#39;d only look at the positive things and could end up unknowingly waste my time. If the bad things outweigh the positive things, which is how it looks, then its not really worth it. Looking at the bad things helps you prepeare to prevent some of them, think ahead, or save time.

And so far, here&#39;s what I see good:

* We have lots of people to play instruments
* We are getting an arrangement soon

And the bad:

* Recordings will have some static in them, and matching them all up with so much static will make the song sound really crappy and of bad quality
* We need programs to fix the bad quality
* Most will be unable to play the music perfectly. While its okay with just one instrument, take the mistakes of several and it starts to sound crappy. And yes, its more then possible to play a song perfectly.
* The sound file will be HUGGGGGGE, if its even at all a sucess. With around 10-15 different instruments, each recording will be around 2-3 MB. Overall, we are looking at the very least, a 20MB file. That&#39;s not very managable to me.
* Who&#39;s going to host the file? Gand? Even with one TB, the song would get many hits. After only 50 people downloading it, which there are much more people then that active here at the forums, the bandwith limit would be reached (its at 1 TB if I recall.) Actually, it couldn&#39;t even hold 50 people, because ichigos and the forum itself is also using up bandwith. No one else will host that, because the bandwith can&#39;t support it.
* Who&#39;s going to be the one to put all this together? We have people volunteering for instruments, and people offering to compose, even people to volunteer for lyrics and arranging, yet I haven&#39;t seen one person volunteer to join all these recordings together, if they can even do that, and edit the quality.
* How much will people like this song, if the quality is better on the arranged version rather then the performed one? Not much.

You see, the bad definately outweighs the good. The idea of performing a song with such a vast amount of people over the internet is simple not going to work.

Wait.. was the idea to manually record *each* instrument to a wave file? OÔ; I thought we would just work on a .mus file (finale). Ouch, this isn&#39;t going to hold.

* Recordings will have some static in them, and matching them all up with so much static will make the song sound really crappy and of bad quality

I remember Gand fixing static on one of Spoons compositions (Spectrum). I&#39;m sure a few people on the forum have audio software.


* We need programs to fix the bad quality

*points to previous statement*


* Most will be unable to play the music perfectly. While its okay with just one instrument, take the mistakes of several and it starts to sound crappy. And yes, its more then possible to play a song perfectly.

well get it pretty close if we play while listening to the midi on headphones.


* The sound file will be HUGGGGGGE, if its even at all a sucess. With around 10-15 different instruments, each recording will be around 2-3 MB. Overall, we are looking at the very least, a 20MB file. That&#39;s not very managable to me.

You&#39;re sure that since each file will be 2 to 3 MB, that combining them will just sum up the sizes of each file?


* Who&#39;s going to host the file? Gand? Even with one TB, the song would get many hits. After only 50 people downloading it, which there are much more people then that active here at the forums, the bandwith limit would be reached (its at 1 TB if I recall.) Actually, it couldn&#39;t even hold 50 people, because ichigos and the forum itself is also using up bandwith. No one else will host that, because the bandwith can&#39;t support it.

Got me there, unless your wrong about it being like 20 MB. Not saying you are, you sound like you know what your talkin about.


* Who&#39;s going to be the one to put all this together? We have people volunteering for instruments, and people offering to compose, even people to volunteer for lyrics and arranging, yet I haven&#39;t seen one person volunteer to join all these recordings together, if they can even do that, and edit the quality.

Actually, I thought we already had that settled, mazda i believe?? I&#39;m not totally sure. I believe she brought it up and mentioned how she had Al record a voice part for her composition.


* How much will people like this song, if the quality is better on the arranged version rather then the performed one? Not much.

How do you know people won&#39;t like the song?

Your bringing up a lot of the same points in each problem.

will make the song sound really crappy and of bad quality, to fix the bad quality, and edit the quality, if the quality is better on the arranged version rather then the performed one.

But you are right, this will be quite a job.

well get it pretty close if we play while listening to the midi on headphones.

I&#39;m not talking about getting "pretty close", I mean.......getting it good. You don&#39;t hear other songs people play as "pretty close", now do you? Of course we can listen to it on headphones to get the tempo right, I even suggested something similiar to that earlier. But my point is about incorrect notes. They will definately keep adding up, hurting the song. I know we can keep the mistakes to minimal, but that doesn&#39;t change that they will most likely be present in it.


You&#39;re sure that since each file will be 2 to 3 MB, that combining them will just sum up the sizes of each file?

Manoshikan Mist is about 2 minutes and 39 seconds long, and this is a conversion from MIDI. Now this song has at least 3-4 instruments in it, if not more. My composition has just the piano in it, which I recorded at very LOW quality. My composition is about 3 minutes and 4 seconds long, only 25 seconds longer. So lets take my composition time, which is 184 seconds, and divide it under 2,800 kb, which is the size of my composition. So 2,800/184=15kbps.

You know what? Lets just take out 2 kbps out of that 15, so its now 13 kbps. I mean, considering the other extremely small things out there, like static and brief sounds, I&#39;m sure that taking out a total of 368 kb is more then enough to cover all the tiny sounds and stuff other then the piano. Better yet, lets take out a whole entire 3 kbps, for a total of 504 kb, just to be assured.

Now, at 12 kbps, and for 159 seconds of Manoshikan Mist, assuming its EXACTLY that long, that will take 1.908 MB, nearly 2 MB. Now of course, this is just one instrument. We still have to include another 9 or so instruments, perhaps even more. So then....we end up with a total of 17.172 MB worth of instruments, being very very very lenient on how much kbps it can be.

In actuality, there is a high probability that we will use more then 9 instruments, and its not likely that we shall use exactly that number of seconds, and that example was being played at low quality, so the more high quality audio files shall be bigger. And so when I suggest that it is likely to be 20 MB, that&#39;s my own logic.


How do you know people won&#39;t like the song?

Through common sense. I mean, which CD would you buy: One CD that has a lot of songs in tiny compressed audio files that have really nice quality with no mistakes, or another CD with the exact same songs except they are recorded by actual instruments, havea bigger size on each file, there are a very few mistakes, and the quality of the instrument is not as decent? Anyone within reason would obvoiusly go for the first CD.


Your bringing up a lot of the same points in each problem.

Yes, I am. Because each point causes another problem, or most of the points affect the other problems.

Violin Treble And sometimes I can hit high not but most of the time...lol

Here&#39;s what happened when I recorded my composition - Alphonse and I recorded our voices as .wav files. We each did several recordings of the same verses so I could pick and choose the best ones or mix them together. Due to accent differences we put different emphases on different notes, requiring me to fiddle with Alphonse&#39;s soundtrack a bit to shorten his note durations. This created static, but the point I&#39;m trying to make here is that although the wav files were pretty huge, once we put all the soundgroups into Acoustica MP3 Audio Mixer and saved it as a mp3, it was only 3.66MB - so if we save the file as an MP3 once we&#39;re done fiddling with it that will decrease the file size dramatically.

Aaaand - Starwind, here&#39;s all the ranges of the instruments we have available:

Violin: Lowest note is G below middle C, range = 3 octaves+
Oboe: Lowest note is Bb below middle C, highest is G above top C (but best to keep it on the treble staff)
Bb Clarinet: E below middle C to top C and higher (but higher sounds shrill) (all concert pitches - needs to be transposed down two semitones)
Bassoon: Bb below bass clef to Eb above treble clef staff (Except if Sondagger&#39;s doing percussion that ain&#39;t much use ;))
Tuba: Lowest written note is low bass clef F, highest is F on the bass clef itself (check with TrumpetPlaya42 to find out what key his is pitched in as it may need transposing) (sounds one octave lower than written)
Bb Trumpet: Lowest written note is F# below middle C, highest is top C but experienced players can go higher. (needs to be transposed down two semitones)
Saxophones: Range is always 3.5 octaves.
...................-Eb Alto: Written Bb below middle C to F# above top C (lower notes are harder) (needs to be transposed down 9 semitones)
...................-Bb Tenor: Written Ab-Eb (don&#39;t know what clef, alas) (needs to be transposed down two semitones)

These are all just ranges I&#39;ve gotten off the web - the highest ranges are usually the hardest to play and don&#39;t sound particularly fantastic, so it&#39;s best to continue gathering information about what ranges the players are most comfortable with.

Btw, how come we have no flautists? I swear there&#39;s a few lurking around *pokes PFT_Shadow* ;)

As for moi:

1. Violin

2. See above.

3. Anything really s&#39;long as it&#39;s not like a billion leger lines above the treble clef in which case all you&#39;ll hear on the recording is me sobbing :P I can do some double stopping (two-note chords) but only on long, slow notes, no quavers and no crotchets if it&#39;s fast tempo.

4. If you need help with splitting the piece according to instrument ranges or any other random junk, let me know. Also, I have the full version of Acoustica so would be happy to edit the tracks together provided someone has the capability to get rid of any static I generate, as the biggest problem will most likely be me having to shorten note durations because people have played them for too long.

If it is of any help, I am a very avid pianist, lyricist, and singer. I&#39;m in the Oklahoma All State Choir, so I have to be pretty good in the singing department. Although I really don&#39;t like it, everyone that I know says that I&#39;m a much better "New Age" composer rather than classical (Although my symphony is highly favored by my friends), so that might be helpful.

EDIT ~ My vocal range is somwher between Tenor I and II. On really good days, I can hit Bb above middle c (all other instances, I can&#39;t go past g above middle c)and go down to E below the tenor c (thats the c below middle c). so in some cases, i can pass off as a good bass.

EDIT #2 ~ Also, if you really want to use it (please don&#39;t) my falsetto can extend from f above middle c to freaking D above the c above the c above middle c (what is that c called? soprano c?) , I would never recommend this though, because it sounds totally gross.

Ok, i have skimmed through all 11 pages looking at our instrumentation (sadly finding no trombone/baritone), and this is what I have come up with:



Piccolo
Flute
Oboe
Bassoon
Clarinet
Bass Clarinet (yay&#33;)(I was afriad we didn&#39;t have one)
Alto Sax
Tenor Sax
Bari Sax
Trumpet
Tuba
Violin
Guitar
Any Percussion (Hoping for Mallets, Timpani, Cymbals, Snair, Bass, and any other doodads we can through in there :D )
Piano
Zither (?)


Please tell me if I have missed anything or if you would like to add a new instrument to the mix ^____^

And for those who havent seen my piano, i still want to know what everyone thinks of it. :sweatdrop:


Originally posted by Starwind
we have a lot of piano players. and it probly wouldnt work out to mash a whole buncha piano recordings together. So, what do you think about leaving piano parts to only those who dont play something else in the band already?

Last thing about the percussion. I have lots of friends in the percussion section, so I&#39;m sure they won&#39;t mind lending me a hand.

thats a lot of woodwinds. no one plays cello?

we have no french horns :mellow:

Not that I have anything to do with this, but why need french horns? In fact, I think you guys will butcher a song with low-wave audio files of a billion instruments.

damn, arranging just all of a sudden lost its flair -_-

If you get stuck, chuck it my way :) Remember we don&#39;t have to use EVERYBODY - try and write in parts that sound nicest, not trying to cram everyone in :)

is bass clarinet bass clef?

Nay, good sir (ma&#39;am?) it&#39;s in treble Bb&#33; :D When you play everything you need to know what clefs and keys they&#39;re in or you sound like crap&#33; Which is why I started of reading Bari Sax music while playing the tuba (Eb in treble is the same as C in bass&#33; Didn&#39;t know that, did ya? ;) )

lol thanx

>.< ooh&#33; forgot to put percussion 2. And i don&#39;t wanna start the whole score over&#33;

sondagger (or anybody really...) I&#39;m not familiar with cymbal names, whats the really kewl cymbal the you roll on with fuzzy mallets. ya know, the one that crescendos ( >.< which doesnt work well in MIDIs ), and what line on the staff is it usually on?

That&#39;s a suspended cymbal.

I&#39;ll send you a pm about the stave thing.

^_^ Thank You&#33;

Wow, this score looks really nice. Sorry guys, it still may be a little while before we actually get it, but its coming along nicely.

(I had to start over after I skimmed through and found we had more instruments)

I&#39;ve heard it, and it sounds great ^_^ Soraaaaa, please can I have the violin solo? Pretty please? XD

awww, i wish i had been on earlier to see this. is it too late to participate?

nope, what do you play?

*hopes its already on list* :ph34r:

I play clarinet and alto sax. Though Clarinet is my dominant instrument.

yay&#33; theyre already on the list.

I&#39;m still workin on the arrangement so just sit tight till its ready :D

yay&#33; lol, thank you very much.

*sits tight*

hmmmmm I still want lyrics ok?Please dont forget me I do check on this ya know and I do want in ok?but I must sit tight also I guess keep me updated yall&#33;

There are no lyrics, the song is already composed, there just needs to be an arrangement to fit our instrumentation. You can&#39;t just add lyrics. I wouldn&#39;t want to anyway. If we have a bunch of singers, and they aren&#39;t all doing it together, it&#39;s gonna sound way off. Then mazda will have to go in and digitally edit every single voice, and it&#39;ll still be a little off.

So you guys already composed it? I didn&#39;t get to do anything.... :doh:

We, or actually Starwind, arranged a pre-composed piece.

Besides that, we&#39;re all from different parts of the country - accent differences can make a song sound really odd because different accents emphasise different syllables and draw them out for different durations.

Um ok then can I hear it?And also I can make some words to dedacate to it...sound ok?

Originally posted by madmazda86@Jan 16 2005, 11:30 AM
Besides that, we&#39;re all from different parts of the country - accent differences can make a song sound really odd because different accents emphasise different syllables and draw them out for different durations.
lol...different parts of the WORLD even Maz&#33; And now I&#39;m imagining a really horrible mixture of accents clashing and it&#39;s very scary.

D&#39;oh, I meant world >.< I was tired when I wrote that post ;)

sounds kinda troublesome to be band over the internet.. you couldnt practise together.. could you?

OH&#33; this sounds fun, i wanna help. Iplay alto saxophone (9 years) and piano (6 years). I&#39;d also be willing to try my hand at the composing of the piece. &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

heh well its over and im sad but may I still hear it please&#33; :Puppyeyes: pwease&#33; O whatever but I could still make words to it yaknow..

Would you calm down kariekh? You seem like a child anxiously waiting for Father Santa to come over <_< So stop jumping up and down and show us if you&#39;re even capable of writing.

humm, i dont think a rit. would work if were not all together...

of course it&#39;s only the bassoon playing at that point so maybe maz can just sorta pause or lengthen the resting of the other instruments and bring us back in at the same time... :think:

Sure, I can add silences - things that are dodgy are lengthening or shortening note durations as it creates crackles. Silences are fine.

Originally posted by Noir7@Jan 19 2005, 08:31 AM
Would you calm down kariekh? You seem like a child anxiously waiting for Father Santa to come over <_< So stop jumping up and down and show us if you&#39;re even capable of writing.
heh well I would but what on?You pick something...and I will write sorry I just wanna help is that a bad thing and sorry im happy im only 12 but I know age dosent matter so please treat me as a = ok&#33; so give me a topic or a song and I shall write&#33;

Heh, well, I would but on what? You pick something and I will write about it. I&#39;m sorry, I just want to help.. is that such a bad thing? I&#39;m sorry that I&#39;m happy, I&#39;m only 12 years old, but I know age doesn&#39;t matter so please treat me as a person. Give me a topic or a song, and I&#39;ll write about it.

--

See the difference? Maybe age doesn&#39;t matter, but your writing is poor. :mellow:

you really think that age matters in the first place? I mean, I&#39;m only thirteen, and I have good grammar. Just try to keep the little-kiddy type thing out of your voice/typing thing. Sure age doesn&#39;t matter, but maturity definitely does. So actually take some time to write the posts, and you may sound as old as Noir, or Al(phonse).

You&#39;re quite correct :)

I sound old? :mellow: Ah crap.

Anyway, a lyricist (??) should by my opinion know what s/he is doing. There is going to be a LOT of work to make this work (good luck, btw). Since you guys decided to &#39;hire&#39; only advanced musiciants, who know their instrument, I think the lyricist should aswell.

Originally posted by Noir7@Jan 20 2005, 01:53 PM
I sound old? :mellow: Ah crap.
lol, everyone thought i sounded old too, well older than i really am.

Besides, if we were gonna have lyrics, Noir7 should be the one writing them, it is his composition.


sorry I just wanna help is that a bad thing

Aren&#39;t you going to be playing an instrument in the band?

I would but I well cant get it too yall but besides these kinda things make you feel bad but I know your all trying to help me out but it sorta hurts but I dont care ive felt worse so sue me my grammer is bad...its not my fault they took it out my education&#33;no joke oh well they yall talk I dont know if I could you know....play good or write lyrics..I will try though sorry there probally is a whole bunch of grammer errors so whatever I dont worry about thouse things in peoples posts you know think about others when you write ok? ;) thats what I gotta say but I will be willing to write ok?

count me in too&#33; this type of stuff is fun.

okay. i have nearly 35 .mus files for Finale, but I don&#39;t know if I feel comfortable posting my personal sheet music, but I&#39;ll copyright it if anyone truly is interested. Just tell me what type of arrangement.

Band is ugly. Let us have an ORCHESTRA&#33;

okay I&#39;ll give a vague list of some of my songs:
This is like a greatest hits of me so far, okay?

I Will be There - full score with piano, voice, harp, violin, and cello

Tears of Venus (one of my favorites but not finished yet)

Gaia&#39;s Tears - voice, piano, and cello. Sad piece.

Beyond what you see (an easy band piece, very relaxing)

Pagan Memories - SATB piece. Extremely advanced and difficult, very exciting
and interesting although only two minutes.

Angel&#39;s Sanctuary - a very hard piece consisting of six solo vocalists ONLY.
Interesting, alhtough slightly repetitive.

Song of the Damned - obviously a mellow piece. Consists organ, harp, voice, and
a simple and haunting bass part.

Asesiladeiva - an easy SATB piece. Very short and sweet, and there are no words,
just "Ahh"ing.

French Choclate - one of my absolute best songs I have ever composed. Catchy pop song with a string section and a Euphonium which acompanies a voice. Very happy and pippy, with a pretty hard organ part.

Grass is Greener - Sad song with a banjo and cello accompanying a voice. Sad lyrics, sad song, exremely retarded ending. :D

Happenstance - Another song I am proud of, but its not very good if you don&#39;t imagine it that way I do. the way i aranged is odd but it has to have a specific kind of performance for the lovely melody to carry. SA, violin and cello.

Mezzio la Aeila - Incredibly difficult piece. I wrote this on the piano and the notes are VERY fast, and I arranged it for a saxophone trio acompanied by a violin and banjo. Most of the notes are EXTREMELY fast, and there are a lot of repeats. Weird song becuase there is not mood = it goes from happy to sad to happpy to retarded. Interesting song.

On the Other side - My favorite song. This song tokk forever to make becuase I wanted it to be absolutely perfect. A duet of vocals which isn&#39;t too hard, accompanied by a timpani and violin/cello/mandolin arrangement. Really pretty.

Lullaby ...no comment. This was originally called "drown," and it is pretty sad for a lullaby.


BY THE WAY, most of these songs have MP3 versions I made with fruityloops studio. If you want to hear them, just holla.

CHEERS&#33;

okay, to solve a problem so many people can participate.

There are many free downloadably programs that allow you to transfer files to MP3. When doinig so, transfer, use a biltrate of 320. The files will still be, like, half the size they normally would be. With a biltrate of 320, the files would be a high-quality AND smaller.

Then we get our hand-picked orgnaizer to put all the Mp3s in ONE track file. By doinf this, the file will not become much bigger, only all the files are crammed into one track instead of multiple, sepearate trakcs for each instrument and singular recording.

By doing this, your song should not be more than about 3 and a half minutes, so you&#39;ll have a high-quality MP3 with a wonderful biltrate of 320, and the song should be no more than 8 MB at the very most.

OKay? So all stop spassing and just have fun&#33;

Originally posted by Aeila@Jan 20 2005, 06:36 PM
okay, to solve a problem so many people can participate.

There are many free downloadably programs that allow you to transfer files to MP3. When doinig so, transfer, use a biltrate of 320. The files will still be, like, half the size they normally would be. With a biltrate of 320, the files would be a high-quality AND smaller.

Then we get our hand-picked orgnaizer to put all the Mp3s in ONE track file. By doinf this, the file will not become much bigger, only all the files are crammed into one track instead of multiple, sepearate trakcs for each instrument and singular recording.

By doing this, your song should not be more than about 3 and a half minutes, so you&#39;ll have a high-quality MP3 with a wonderful biltrate of 320, and the song should be no more than 8 MB at the very most.

OKay? So all stop spassing and just have fun&#33;
triple post... but yay&#33;&#33;&#33;

and we already have an arrangement coming :P

...oh, okay. Well, the tongue was unneccessary. :P

lol. okay. Well, i want to make an impression, so let the triple post impress you.

Originally posted by Aeila@Jan 20 2005, 06:48 PM
...oh, okay. Well, the tongue was unneccessary. :P

lol. okay. Well, i want to make an impression, so let the triple post impress you.
triple post = bad

:P

*continues working on arrangement*

Starwind may I ask you a question?

Well...triple post may be annoying and everything but lets put that aside for now. Can you even consider using one of my songs? Or even listening to see if they are any good?

I just want to fit in with all you lovely musical people...I haven&#39;t really met this many lovely people on a forum ever.

Here&#39;s a sneak peek work on Sheet Music...

Just post a new thread with your songs. People will listen and critique them, thatrs where all of the other topics in this forum come from (hence the name &#39;compositions&#39;)

Humm, anyone know the range/clef of the bass clarinet?

bass clarinet is treble clef.

HOWEVER, in the medieval das, they had something called the double bass clef. It was EXTREMELY long and that was written in the bass clef but no-one practices upon that instrument anymore.

How&#39;s the arrangement coming along?

Originally posted by Starwind@Jan 21 2005, 03:29 PM
Just post a new thread with your songs. People will listen and critique them, thatrs where all of the other topics in this forum come from (hence the name &#39;compositions&#39;)

Humm, anyone know the range/clef of the bass clarinet?
It&#39;s the same as the clarinet basically (although it sounds an octave lower than written) except all Bass Clarinet&#39;s go to at least low Eb at the bottom of the range and some go to low C.

Originally posted by Elite666@Jan 22 2005, 04:36 AM
It&#39;s the same as the clarinet basically (although it sounds an octave lower than written) except all Bass Clarinet&#39;s go to at least low Eb at the bottom of the range and some go to low C.
thats exactly it. If you notice, bass clarinet is written with a treble clef that has two littl ecircles below it. Its called a mezzo treblelo. Tenors use this key to sing...its basically the treble clef but is an octave lower.

Originally posted by Elite666+Jan 21 2005, 10:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Elite666 @ Jan 21 2005, 10:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It&#39;s the same as the clarinet basically (although it sounds an octave lower than written) except all Bass Clarinet&#39;s go to at least low Eb at the bottom of the range and some go to low C. [/b]
Okay, so it&#39;s basically written the same as clarinet, it only sounds lower. got it. Thanx&#33;

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Okay i guess, :D I hope you don&#39;t hate it&#33;&#33; :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop:

well I look forward to viewing it as well ^_^

Noir, you know how at the beginning of scores it says like "Forcefully" or sumthing (usually an italian word actually)
&#092;
how would you say the peice should be played?

Well, that&#39;s your call =P I mean, in the original mp3 it playes very slowly and gently at the beginning, and the instruments are introduced slowly in velocity.

:yawn: screwed up on arpeggios *needs to listen really closely*

Hehe, it&#39;s okay =P You know you have free hands on it ~

I&#39;m sure you are doing an awesome job, Starwind&#33;&#33; :lol: Its not an easy thing to do. ^_^

Originally posted by Noir7@Jan 26 2005, 10:42 AM
Well, that&#39;s your call =P I mean, in the original mp3 it playes very slowly and gently at the beginning, and the instruments are introduced slowly in velocity.
Don&#39;t you mean slowly in tempo? There are no physics in music, you know.

No, I meant that the velocity rises in the beginning, making it go from 0-90 (I think) in about 5 seconds.

wah?? X_X

:whistle: *one strict tempo...*

Originally posted by Noir7@Jan 29 2005, 12:12 PM
No, I meant that the velocity rises in the beginning, making it go from 0-90 (I think) in about 5 seconds.
Starwind, he basiclaly means the speed increases within a 5 second time period I THINK. He used some special musical language that wasn&#39;t worded very well. :lol:

mm, 0-90 in Velocity = volume :P

oooh...

ok then

I still wanna help with the lyrics.So please dont forget me ok?

X___x;

Originally posted by Noir7@Jan 30 2005, 02:27 AM
mm, 0-90 in Velocity = volume :P
:lol: k well i guess I&#39;m stupid ;)

Originally posted by kariekh@Jan 30 2005, 03:44 AM
I still wanna help with the lyrics.So please dont forget me ok?
When you don&#39;t spell compositions like "compisions" and Gnomish like "Goonimish" we&#39;ll consider you.

Goonimish sounds like a short-appearence guy in LOTR.. :think:

have you ever head of typo? i highly doubt she doesn&#39;t know how to spell. <_<

.... ^_^ don&#39;t take that in a mean way.

You may want to take a look at Kariekh&#39;s other posts, Aeila. Nothing against her but she has a track record of slightly less than desirable spelling and grammar.

besides, we already agreed on no singing anyway (...right? :sweatdrop: ) because everyone is from different parts of the world meaning different accents (like the way they talk) and accents (like which syllables they emphasize). Plus duration of notes and such, not everyone is going to hold different notes out for the same amount of time. With voices it gets really messy.

*goes back to arrangement*

okay. a-buh&#33; i never knew any of this so okie, whatever. ^_^

Sondagger, what are ranges for vibes and chimes?

vibes/bells = 5 octaves.

chimes = percussively, it only has two notes. As an instrument, they&#39;re called bells and have 5 octaves in range.

5 octaves??? thats a really long set of bells...

and maybe your mistaking chimes with something else. im talking about the really big thing with the giant silver cylinders hanging from the top.

I have the ranges from Sondagger now :)

bells and vibraphones have the same range as the mallets...its not long... :huh:

and the long thingamabob ya I know what you are talking aboiut its one note obviously. ^_^

Vibes:http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/47/470185.jpg

Chimes: http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/47/470180.jpg

3 octave vibes, 1 octave chime. Okay ^_^

By the way, since Noir7 wrote this song, I think it would be nice if we wished him happy birthday in this thread. :)

Happy B-Day, Noir. ;)

HAAAAAPPY BIRTHDAY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :drinking: :) :) :) :4eyes: :asuka: :birthday: :birthday: :cheers: :flower: :fireworks: :king: :worshippy: :drunk: :ichigo:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

My dad used system restore and took it back like all the way to the beginning, now my account is gone -_- along with the arrangement

shit

Did you send it to someone before it got deleted? Maybe someone wanted to listen to it, and you sent it to him/her?

Me&#33; I have it&#33; It was very early on though... did you send it to anybody else?

Also, System Restore is completely reversible - if your dad created a restore point before he went back in time for the computer settings then you should be able to go forward to that point and retrieve the file. It&#39;s odd though because System Restore shouldn&#39;t affect files that have already been created - when I system restored my computer all my word docs and compositions were saved. Are you sure the files haven&#39;t been transferred somewhere else? Try doing a search :)

Hoo Frikkin Ray&#33;&#33;&#33; :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[napolean dynomite]Yess.[/napolean dynomite]

It is pretty early though... Oh well, i&#39;ll manage

~ And everyone else has like a little prewiew now

Goodo ^_^ Do have a shot at reversing the system restore though - it might work&#33;

Aaah sweet ~ can&#39;t wait for the full version =] Good job.

Sounds awesome doesn&#39;t it? :D I can&#39;t wait to get my teeth into the violin part *chews on it*

Me and Sora will have to fight it out for the solo ;)

Originally posted by madmazda86@Feb 7 2005, 04:05 PM
Goodo ^_^ Do have a shot at reversing the system restore though - it might work&#33;
I can reverse system restore?

Edit: Ran a search. i still have everything :lol:

Hurrah, panic over&#33; :D I knew it&#39;d be there somewhere ^_^

ooph, sorry guys, i havent worked on it in forever, ive been trying to find my finale disk to reinstall X_X

*reads through 16 pages* Great idea you guys have going. Good luck on the composition and I&#39;m sure it&#39;ll sound awesome. ^_^

An Ichigos theme song. Wow that sounds fun... I can play Bflat clarinet, alto sax, and piano if you need any. I can also play Contralto clarinet. It&#39;s basicly a 5 feet tall clarinet that sounds like a tuba.
Theres also about a billion guitars in my house(brothers) and an electric bass if you need.

musicians all over the world teaming up...my isn&#39;t that a nice one? ^_^

i&#39;m new 2 ichigo&#39;s n thankful 4 any help in composition...i myself is a musician ^_^ ...play alto sax for my school band...learning guitar, piano, clarinet, n french horn myself :D ...right now i&#39;m into arranging n composing...n fyi, i&#39;m currently teaching the daughter of my P.E. teacher a little bit of theory n piano :P

&#39;bout the theme song..count me in&#33; i&#39;d gladly help anywhere, anytime, anything that i can (exp money, i&#39;m 16 n still studying, mind u :P )

well, good luck&#33;

Recording of the Manoshikan Mist violin solo coming up in a couple of days :)

I was so sure that I had said I wanted to do this, too. But I just read through and couldn&#39;t find my post and I wasn&#39;t on the list lol. I guess it&#39;s too late now?

I know you defo posted in here Lovely - though the projects on hold atm as Starwind&#39;s lost his Finale disk :/

lol, okays then

thanks ^_^

holy crap&#33;&#33;

I seem to have stumbled upon... yes&#33;&#33; The Disk&#33;&#33;

*Gets to work right away*

w00t&#33; ^^ How&#39;s your progress so far?

holy friggin crap. Just a quicky, is anyone still up for this after like... six months?? lol.

Err uhh, I should be able to get the arrangement going soon. See the story goes like:

Well my internet went out for a few days, and I had nothing to do. Well shortly after watching all three LOTRs in one sitting (almost, i had one hour left in the third one and it was 1:30 in the morning and my dad was like "John go to sleep&#33;") and also having a movement from "Of Sailors and Whales" in my head, I decided to try my hand at composing again.

Didnt get to far, but then I saw Manoshikan Mist, and I decided to work on it. and i did for the next few days, It&#39;s now finished and everything. All the parts are extracted and looking nice, i even went in and did my best to line up any dynamic markings and stuff so it would look good. ^^

But yeah, still no internet so I couldnt put it up. We needed a new modem, the other one wasnt pickin up a dial tone. well, my dad was going TDY the next day, no time for anything. What we ended up doing was hooking up the old computer, which has a working modem.

So now, I&#39;m on this computer, when all the manoshikan mist files are on the other machine. My dads coming home in a couple of weeks, and we will hopefulyy get a new modem soon after.

But yeah, is anyone still up for this project??