The question every pianist i know asks :huh:
what is this obsession with trying to find the most challenging piece??

what's the most difficult one people here have played?

Just getting Filght of the Bumblebee up to speed was challenging enough. @_@

The hardest to play for me is

Rachmaniov - prelude in C sharp minor, op3, no2.

tring to memorize any type of song very quickly.

Hardest I've ever tried to play was the Scarlet song on this site from Ayashi no Ceres. I can't stretch that far!

uhhh forgot.. but the most challenging piece I tried to memorize (the last time i memorized something b4 this... uhh years ago) was Lost Happiness by Mendelssohn in Gr 9 reportoire. Thank god daz over

The hardest song will be different for each player . . someone with small hands can't cope with big chords, and someone with huge hands will have trouble with fast passages.

The repertoire for my last exam:
Rondo Capriccioso (Mendelssohn) - those right-hand runs killed me ;_;
English Suite #3 (Bach) - didn't like playing the gigue, although it turned out decent with the metronome *huggles it*
Sonata Op.26 (Beethoven) - *hate hate* damn scherzo >.>
Etude Op.10 No.3 (Chopin) - you guys probably know the famous main melody . . what you don't hear is the terrifically hard middle section x.x
Impromptu Op.31 No.2 (Faure) - not bad to play . .
Toccata (Khatchaturian) - fun in a weird way o.o

La Campanella O_O

Originally posted by Sondagger@Mar 28 2005, 03:03 PM
Just getting Filght of the Bumblebee up to speed was challenging enough. @_@
A little OT but I'm trying to get that damn peice up to speed on flute @.@ the guard coach at my school knows it and plays it to speed so she's helping me...it's frikkin tough though

The hardest Piano Piece I've tried is Pachelbel's Canon in D. Go figure I started piano 6 months ago.

Oh and I'm also trying Moonlight Sonata movements 2 and 3...ugh...my hands hurt like hell after the first pages. Memorizing pieces doesn't really bother me, I just play and play and play until my hands memorize them for me.

o.0 if you only started piano 6 months ago, how can you do movements 2 and 3?

The Bach Suites for solo cello continue to be the hardest things for me. Some of the movements aren't that demanding, but the others... Oh, the others!

EDIT:
Oops. This is supposed to be piano pieces. Different stuff from the Well Tempered Klavier, I guess. Them fugues be hard to play.

Originally posted by Al@Apr 4 2005, 02:00 PM
o.0 if you only started piano 6 months ago, how can you do movements 2 and 3?
hard work, i have a really good teacher who helps me through the runs (I persuaded her to teach me). We're going slow for now ^^ but I don't listen when I'm alone and go as fast as I can go (yes I mess up a lot...but that's not the point), besides I'm just trying. I don't think I'll be able to learn both for a while...

Heaviest on my list would be Chopin's 2nd scherzo. I've been playing it for years now and the development section still kills me.

And it may not look like it, but Mozart&#39;s sonatas can be a big pain. <.<

The first and third movements of Ravel&#39;s Gaspard de la Nuit *nurses hands*
especially 3 :(

can be found here http://muslib.mmv.ru/download_eng/piano/ravel_gaspar.htm

try them :blink:

Originally posted by Thorn@Apr 5 2005, 09:19 PM
The first and third movements of Ravel&#39;s Gaspard de la Nuit *nurses hands*
especially 3 :(

can be found here http://muslib.mmv.ru/download_eng/piano/ravel_gaspar.htm

try them :blink:
The third movement is 25 pages... @_@

gah, i&#39;m having trouble with my beethoven exam piece (g8,abrsm,B3), if only my hands were bigger, just can&#39;t hit those 10th interval notes perfectly. unlike bach pieces where you can practice the same bar for hours, my hands just can&#39;t take even an hour of that particular 10th interval sequence...

Man, This is really hard. By the speed, and length of your hands. The eye, and hand coordination, and everything...

OLROX HEADQUARTERS OF CASTLEVANIA&#33;&#33;&#33;

Originally posted by WanderingFilly@Apr 8 2005, 06:51 AM
gah, i&#39;m having trouble with my beethoven exam piece (g8,abrsm,B3), if only my hands were bigger, just can&#39;t hit those 10th interval notes perfectly. unlike bach pieces where you can practice the same bar for hours, my hands just can&#39;t take even an hour of that particular 10th interval sequence...
haha almost everyone who plays the piano wants their hands to grow, while everyone else wants their hands to be small and petite (where I come from anyhoo).

My hands are kinda big for my size but they&#39;re still small for the piano. My brothers&#39; hands seem to be just the right size since he never complains and he plays more than me. My friend has bony skeleton hands, they&#39;re so creepy I love watching him play the piano :lol:

I honestly don&#39;t know. Every time I think I just played the hardest piece in the world, my teacher gives me a harder one&#33;

Well, I&#39;m having difficulty with Mozart&#39;s "Alla Turca" from Sonata in A Major, K. 331. Does anyone konw how to play this? I&#39;m only in grade 7 conservatory, but my teacher wanted me to try this song. She said, "It&#39;ll be a good challenge." Yes, it&#39;s definitely challenging... It&#39;s mainly that part with the octaves and playing them up to speed with the rest of the song and the left hand part that goes with it. (Does anyone know what I&#39;m talking about?) It&#39;s hard hitting the right notes without hitting the other notes in between. I have small hands; I can reach an octave perfectly fine, but I can barely span over 9 notes. I&#39;ll get it eventually... I&#39;m getting better at it&#33;

I have exatcly the same problem , the only solution in my opinion is practice , practice and practice , i almost get it but it isn&#39;t perfect yet , i&#39;m having problems with the middle section but now i&#39;m studying others pieces so i&#39;m not worry about it :P

Bach&#39;s Fugues are challenging
Flight of the Bumblebee will probably be challenging according to speed, though i never have a chance to grab hold of the sheet music (looked for it in music stores but never found it V_V)

you can found it here: http://www.8notes.com/scores/2859.asp?ftype=midi ^_^ (but i don&#39;t know if it&#39;s the original version :/ )

Originally posted by Elf_Hikaru17@May 6 2005, 06:21 PM
Well, I&#39;m having difficulty with Mozart&#39;s "Alla Turca" from Sonata in A Major, K. 331. Does anyone konw how to play this? I&#39;m only in grade 7 conservatory, but my teacher wanted me to try this song. She said, "It&#39;ll be a good challenge." Yes, it&#39;s definitely challenging... It&#39;s mainly that part with the octaves and playing them up to speed with the rest of the song and the left hand part that goes with it. (Does anyone know what I&#39;m talking about?) It&#39;s hard hitting the right notes without hitting the other notes in between. I have small hands; I can reach an octave perfectly fine, but I can barely span over 9 notes. I&#39;ll get it eventually... I&#39;m getting better at it&#33;
It&#39;s not so bad. You just got to sand it down. I really love that piece. To me the hardest part is getting all of those runs right after the octaves up to speed.

I am havin trouble On Pachebel&#39;s Canon on Piano. Not a great difficult piece but just can&#39;t get the hands together proper yet.

Originally posted by romping willow@Apr 12 2005, 11:31 PM
haha almost everyone who plays the piano wants their hands to grow, while everyone else wants their hands to be small and petite (where I come from anyhoo).

My hands are kinda big for my size but they&#39;re still small for the piano. My brothers&#39; hands seem to be just the right size since he never complains and he plays more than me. My friend has bony skeleton hands, they&#39;re so creepy I love watching him play the piano :lol:
My hands are small but I because I&#39;m double jointed in every finger and thumb, I can stretch as much as a big hand. It&#39;s not the size, it&#39;s the skill and speed. -_- Only Rachmaninoff (spelt wrong i reckon) should be impossible to play because he had 6 fingers on each hand I think.

Man, Chopin&#39;s Fantasie Impromptu it&#39;s too damn hard for me...

for me the hardest piece i ever play was the 4&#39;33&#39;&#39; by John Cage :lol:

i&#39;m having trouble with this song called inday by F. buencamino. hands so small and its tough. it annoys the heck out of me.

Hi all&#33;

Hmm... let me see... Liszt&#39;s Mephisto Waltz (http://www.classiccat.net/liszt_f/514.htm), like its title, is clearly the spawn of the devil. How do people even master it... :huh:

(But from the looks of it (http://forums.ichigos.com/index.php?showtopic=3648&view=findpost&p=112442), Gaspard de la Nuit is also some pretty powerful stuff. :cry: )

this is very sad but im having problems with "Place I Will Return to Someday" which can be found here under final fantasy 9. there is like 2 melodies played at one time (possably 3 but I dont know&#33; I havent played the whole thing yet&#33;

Originally posted by an&#045;kun@May 11 2005, 05:54 PM
My hands are small but I because I&#39;m double jointed in every finger and thumb, I can stretch as much as a big hand. It&#39;s not the size, it&#39;s the skill and speed. -_- Only Rachmaninoff (spelt wrong i reckon) should be impossible to play because he had 6 fingers on each hand I think.
Naw, he was just very nimble with long, stretchy fingers :). Personally, I think I have the hardest times playing these contemporary pieces that are very rhymthically complex (like Reich&#39;s Piano Phase - one person has to gradually phase one note behind or ahead of the other person with the precision of a tape machine). But that doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m an expert when it comes to the Liszt&#39;s, Rachmaninov&#39;s, etc :P.

I think it was Chopin, Op.10 no. 12.
But it&#39;s soooooo good though, very challenging for someone who never got any piano lesson. :P

I think it was Chopin, Op.10 no. 12.

:blink: my friend can play that piece from memory- i have no idea how he does it

I&#39;m starting to learn the campanella by Liszt. 31 page piece of crap....

EDIT: I WAS READING THE RONG PIECE YAY&#33; It&#39;s only 9 pages but it&#39;s going to be really hard. Even harder than my other 15 page pieces X_X

mp3 found here (http://www.lisztworks.com/recordings/S141_3-la-campanella-kopp.mp3)

I think that the Piano Concerto No.2 in G-, Op.22 by Saint-Saens is one of the hardest I&#39;ve heard. Recently our school orchestra accompanied this soloist who played it, and she was amazing...

Originally posted by Ayanami@Jun 10 2005, 09:38 PM
mp3 found here (http://www.lisztworks.com/recordings/S141_3-la-campanella-kopp.mp3)
There&#39;s also a sheet music copy at http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/. Liszt is insane...

Chopin, Op.10 no. 12.

revolutionary etude?


Liszt is insane...

i totally agree -_-

mary had a little lamb and Hot cross buns on the treble clef.......

The most difficult piano piece I&#39;ve ever tried is Leibestraum by Franz Liszt, whoa, I gave up after the first two bars. It might also have somthing to with it being written in A-flat Major (four flats at the first stave), and my disability in playing flat notes, I find it soooo hard to play flats........does anyone else suffer from not being able to play flats or sharps???

Another quite challenging piece is Variation from César Franck&#39;s Prélude, Fugue et Variation. It&#39;s a good piece for fast hands.

:sweatdrop: Well, I finally joined this forum, after using Ichigos music sheet for some time now. Anyway, I started playing piano for nearly 2 years now and want to expand my music list.

I have found Radical Dreamers from Chrono Cross extremely hard, but thankfully its been done. My new hard piano piece would be either Magus&#39;s Theme, from Chrono Trigger and Scars of Time (with flute duet), from Chrono Cross.

Ya thats about it.......

Omega_Prof: I don&#39;t recall getting this problem so I don&#39;t really know what it&#39;s like. :mellow: I guess I&#39;ll just repeat the oft-repeated advice to trim your nails and curve your fingers (though the second part is easier said than done). The Liebestraeume must be among Liszt&#39;s easier pieces actually...

I&#39;ve only been playing 8 years, but I&#39;d say the most difficult thing I&#39;ve encountered is the 3rd movement of Beethoven&#39;s "Moonlight Sonata." XO People shouldn&#39;t be able to move that fast&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; That, or Gershwin&#39;s "Rhapsody in Blue." Gershwin, how I love thee. Sucks that he died though...

I&#39;m not a big classical music player, but J-E-N-O-V-A for classical piano is probably the most challenging peice I&#39;ve tried to play

The Liebestraeume must be among Liszt&#39;s easier pieces actually...

I agree- and for anyone who doesn&#39;t, you should look at the Transcendental Etudes X_X (evil piano teacher: of all the studies you could make me do, why Liszt? :( )

:heh: i wish i could play like that...

Does anyone know how to play franz listz&#39;s hungarian rhapsody no.2 I only got about 2 minutes done i cant get those fast scales @_@ .

Revolutionary - Chopin, its so hard&#33; I&#39;ll try finding the midi for it.

http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~hasekou/etude12.mid

The person I know who can play it always gets sore wrists, haha.

Um just a note, it&#39;s meant to be a tad slower, don&#39;t know why its so fast, or maybe its quicktime?

I believe it&#39;s the right tempo.

And for the sore wrists... http://www.joetownley.com/revolutionary.html .. he looks like a dork though.

Oh my goood , Revolutionary. my head hurts.....too many tones.. :nosebleed:

The revolutionary etude rocks =P Although I think Liszt&#39;s La&#39; Campanella sounds even harder to play. Too many octaves (even three in some cases).

wtf.........that is mental *tries to learn* i&#39;ll never be able to do it but its still fun to try. unless you mess up right from the start then you think ahhh stuff it

found another one; Les jeux d&#39;eaux a la villa d&#39;este by Liszt- it&#39;s easy to play but hard to play seamlessly with consistent speed etc.

Technical stamina you say? Then try out Chopin&#39;s Heroic Polonaise.

Not really any of those songs that you guys are talking about are hard. I mean I'm 14 years old and I can play any piano piece that I'm given. And I can also play a song flipped upside down. So not really any of those songs are hard for me to play at all.

WOW. you MUST teach me how you can sightread that well.

I cannot really tell anyone how i do it because i just know the songs. It was like i was born to like know all of the piano songs. But I can help you with any other problems your having.

Most difficult piano piece ever?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/Kougp01/Comical/C1D7C0BDC0C7BFD0C3F728B5DA29.jpg

Owned

XD

obviously, that song cant be played. There are chords that require 6-7 fingers. I wonder who would have 7 fingers in one hand??

Kou, all I can say is - oh my dear God. But like Hiei said, I doubt anyone could ever play it.

I think that Chopin's Etudes might be some of the most difficult. But I have no real idea.

actually i want to listen to that song now. whats the title and the composer of that song kou?

mm, that score Kou posted is not real. I agree with DarkClone about Chopin's etudes, yet they are very beautiful even though labelled "etude" (study)

Most difficult piano piece ever?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/Kougp01/Comical/C1D7C0BDC0C7BFD0C3F728B5DA29.jpg

Owned

XD
Haha, I remember that piece (though I forgot what it was called - dance of the something). Anyways, it's obviously a joke (read the comments at the margins) for some impossibly... uh impossible ensemble.

I can play that song that's up there and I have five fingers on each hand. It's a little biut hard for me to play though but i can manage it.

Even though it's not a realy piano song. It's a few instruments played together i think with the piano.

Not really any of those songs that you guys are talking about are hard.

If you're just going to brag than dont post, this thread is talking about ones that individuals feel are difficult to play; if you are just going to put everyone down because they arent as fantastic as you, then you shouldnt bother posting at all, this isnt a 'who's the best pianist' competition. Agreed with some of the pieces, i also think, yeah they arent that hard and i could play them eventually, and im sure there are others who think the same- eg, i dont find the Chopin Etudes as difficult as some people are making out; yeah they may take a while to learn but nothing pathetically difficult, but there again thats just me, there may be others who think pieces i've mentioned such as the Liszt Etudes that other people may find pretty easy in comparison for others. I'm not having a go, im just saying nobody cares what you can or can't play, this isnt a 'show off your piano repetoire' thread okay- if you want to do that then start a seperate thread.

Back on topic- im not sure if this has already been mentioned, but La Campanella by Liszt is one bitch of a piece- for me it definetely beats anything else i may have suggested.

I can play that song that's up there and I have five fingers on each hand. It's a little biut hard for me to play though but i can manage it.

Even though it's not a realy piano song. It's a few instruments played together i think with the piano.

Yes, if you can spare some inflatable circus clowns, cat handle, german hand pedal, "brown liquid", etc. Also, I'd like to see how you play those "real big notes" - since it's scored for more than a piano, it probably implies that you have to play all the notes from and in between the edges (including the say, oh, infinitely divisable microtones).

So, yeh... :bleh:

By the way, I remember the name of the piece - Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz by "John Stump."

*sigh* It's so obvious that nessaholic888 isn't for real.

On a lighter note, here's a poem I saw some time back:

The Abb&#233; Liszt
Hit the piano with his fist.
That was the way
He used to play.

I can play that song that's up there and I have five fingers on each hand. It's a little biut hard for me to play though but i can manage it.

Even though it's not a realy piano song. It's a few instruments played together i think with the piano.

Bullshit :bleh:

Wow a newbie here, the hardest piano piece I've ever played was Hungarian Rhapsody. My proff gave me 6 months to practice it or else she'd fail me... The last part totally killed me and ruined my social life for I was obliged to practice it 7 hours a day... Geeze, and another piece that nearly gave me a heart attack was Chopin's Piano Sonata Op 58, another wierd pieces that I barely made through... And lastly, Paganini's 6 Etudes are a total whack. The humanity in playing an EVIL piece as that.

Back on topic- im not sure if this has already been mentioned, but La Campanella by Liszt is one bitch of a piece- for me it definetely beats anything else i may have suggested.

Oh God, that piece is another Evil Spawn of the devil to play, good thing I never tried to play it and my biatchy proff did'nt give me that piece. I heard her playing that piece one day, and a scenario of her playing a piece means it's hell for me... So I faked to have an upset stomach to avoid her... God, thank God I was saved that day...

ok look i'm sorry for all the choas i have caused about being the best piano player. And no i'm not trying to win a contest or anything I'm not even trying to be a bitch and brag about everything. So sorry to you guys.

Then why would you make up a lie like that if it weren't for your own glory? I mean, come on.. it was so obvious.

ok look i'm sorry for all the choas i have caused about being the best piano player. And no i'm not trying to win a contest or anything I'm not even trying to be a bitch and brag about everything. So sorry to you guys.

you don't sound very sorry if you're still calling yourself the best piano player-you don't know if you are, as you have never compared yourself to anyone else here in performing; just because we say these pieces are hard, doesnt mean we can't necessarily play them, just that we find them hard. So calling yourself the best piano player is a bit of a sweeping statement; because although you may think you can play anything perfectly, there's more to music than technique and reading ability- you may be able to play stuff we find hard with ease, but if there was a piano competition we all entered, some of the people here who sound like they are more advanced pianists, such as tokoy and Noir7 would probably win hands down- the difference is, they dont brag.

anyway...back to the discussion, the most difficult piano piece:

Currently I'm finding that certain parts of the first movement from Beethoven's Pathetique to be very difficult. For instance the 2nd page. Honestly, your left hand is playing the same two notes (octaves) for the whole page and your right hand is jumping chords so it shouldn't be that hard---but it IS DIFFICULT to get it to sound crisp. I sound like a blubbering hippo running into people...it's just a mess.

anyway...back to the discussion, the most difficult piano piece:

Currently I'm finding that certain parts of the first movement from Beethoven's Pathetique to be very difficult. For instance the 2nd page. Honestly, your left hand is playing the same two notes (octaves) for the whole page and your right hand is jumping chords so it shouldn't be that hard---but it IS DIFFICULT to get it to sound crisp. I sound like a blubbering hippo running into people...it's just a mess.

Oh yeah, I had the same problem like that too when I was studying chopin's revolutionary etude. My right hand was the fast one ( the right hand is like for grade 4 :heh: ) while my left hand was aching to play the notes right. So my mentor decided to let me study Mozowski's etudes first, I had to study all of them and then when I finally finished the piece, chopin's etude came like a zilch. So my advice is to find a piece that has full of octaves but would be easier like the Maiden's Prayer so that it would excercise your fingers and that you could play that Sonata with ease...

Another situation was when I was studying Bach's technical pieces like his fugues. That was total oblivion when I was learning just the right hand. I am not a bach person but I had to learn at least 2 of his fugues becase it was a prerequisite in the entrance exam at the uni. So yeah, after a year of struggling I finally came through... Good thing Hanon and Czerny was a lifesaver, their technical pieces were easy but if practiced everyday, they could be the answer to my life dwindling moments... lol...

Not really any of those songs that you guys are talking about are hard. I mean I'm 14 years old and I can play any piano piece that I'm given. And I can also play a song flipped upside down. So not really any of those songs are hard for me to play at all.

I don't mean to offend, but people saying things like that drive me mad. I highly doubt (highly) that at the age of 14, you are playing all these pieces. The honest truth is, people who are that good (limited to the masters and general composers) don't go round RPG Forums claiming they are the best. None of them. Of you were so brilliant, you wouldn't be here, you would be at some form of special college or school for exceptionally brilliant children at music. Please stop it, you are making some people feel uncomfortable - including me.

replying to Tokoy:

Yeah I have Maiden's Prayer...I'll give it a go, thanks

Just getting Filght of the Bumblebee up to speed was challenging enough. @_@

If you think that's hard on a piano, try playing it on a flute! :bleh: @_@

I gave up on the second page of that piece. Man, can't keep up with the fingers and my lungs were dying. :heh:

xD flight of the bumblebee's easy for me, but im a cello player, not a piano =/. i studied piano for about 3 years.. when i was like 4, then i quit and forgot EVERYTHING

@Kou: There was another piece like that.. it was called something hunting dance or something i forgot, but it had all the side marks. Except for our school final our orchestra teacher gave us that song, and we had a group of 5 people, and we had to figure out how to play it as a group >.<. needless to say, only one group (the seniors... and these kids are the ones who got into peabody/julion music schools and made all eastern orchestra) actually got it. it sounded so weird and messed up =P

Hardest thing i've attempted: Moonlight sonata part 2 >>. i looked at it for months and i can play like.. the first page and thats it. but i cant sight read treble clef (as i said im a cello player >>, i read base clef and even though i play in treble its not consistant).

I'm still a novice at playing piano but I still love challenging difficult songs (though they sound like crap when I play them of course). I've gone through a few tough songs and I thought that Chopin Op. 10 No. 12 and Fantasie Impromptu were a bitch to keep up in tempo to (right hand couldn't follow the speed of the left hand in Fantasie Impromptu X[). Anyone played Chopin Op. 25 No. 12 before (ocean etude i think)? I was thinking of trying that next.

Yup, you should do that. The Ocean etude is amazing, yet considered the easiest of Chopin's etudes. (mind you, there is no easy Chopin etude)

Rachminoff's Prelude in C# Minor is my current song I have been practicing, and it is extremely difficult. There is one part in the middle of the song that breaks into two a rather fast tempo. The left hand is rather easy, but the right hand is difficult because you are doing triplets. This wouldn't be so bad except the first note of each triplet carries the melody, which means you have to emphasize the first note of each triplet, make sure you don't over emphasize the other remaining two notes in the triplet, and then apply overall dynamics as well. All being done quite fast, too.

Also, towards the end, it breaks up into four bars, two bars for the right hand, and two bars for the left hand. Try reading 4 bars at once-it's hard!

Is this the piece that has those haunting bass notes in the left hand?

Yeah, it's a nightmare to read, but it's actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

Currently attempting Chopin's Heroic Polonaise. Left hand can't handle middle part. X_X

ARGGHHHH!! *is attempting to play 'Scars of time' on piano* Wah!! I cant get that middle bit right... always go off by one note, is there anyway to prevent that?

Yeah, it's a nightmare to read, but it's actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

Currently attempting Chopin's Heroic Polonaise. Left hand can't handle middle part. X_X

Lol, well what song isn't easy once you get the hang of it? I am almost done with this song, so I am kind of eager. Just about 10 or 15 measures left, and they are repetive measures, so...just gotta get fingering correctly.

Lol, well what song isn't easy once you get the hang of it? I am almost done with this song, so I am kind of eager. Just about 10 or 15 measures left, and they are repetive measures, so...just gotta get fingering correctly.

Silly me. x_x I meant to say after a while.

Then again, everything does get easy after a while.

:bleh:

another one to add: Liszt's Mazeppa. my teacher started me on it the other day, and the first thing i always do when starting a new piece is play it all the way through at a slower speed....for those of you who know this piece, you will understand what i mean when i say i had to run my hands under a cold tap for about 10 mins afterwards.

What about Chopin's first Balláde? I think it was a 9/9 piece.

Isn't Rachmaninov meant to have composed a song which is impossible to play for normal people? :think: He had 6 fingers on each hand and he had massive hands so the chords are impossible. I've never seen the piece though.

@nessaholic888 - talk is cheap.

@darkclone - some masterful people are arrogant as well so there will be some people who brag about their skills. It's just that you can't tell who's actually the real deal because it's a forum and you can't see the person playing.That's what I think anyway.

another one to add: Liszt's Mazeppa. my teacher started me on it the other day, and the first thing i always do when starting a new piece is play it all the way through at a slower speed....for those of you who know this piece, you will understand what i mean when i say i had to run my hands under a cold tap for about 10 mins afterwards.

Is that the one in D minor?

Maniac piece. :heh:

I highly doubt Rachmaninoff had 12 fingers.

Of course he didn't. =.=

He had huge hands though.

Rachmanioff Prelude in G Minor is considered the most difficult peice I've ever known so far. Its really hard x_X, but in the middle it gets easier.

has anyone tried to play inu yasha dearest @_@ i think that's hard if you try to play it in right speed.. i almost can play it perfectly but it's hard @_@

I highly doubt Rachmaninoff had 12 fingers.

well some good composer did. It's a condition called polydactyly or something like that. You can doubt highly but I read it somewhere before although I admit I can't be sure if it was him.

i'm having trouble with this song called inday by F. buencamino. hands so small and its tough. it annoys the heck out of me.


haha. this is a bit Late but isn't this a Philippine piece or something? hmm. Buencamino seems like a filipino's name. Lol :lol:

Is that the one in D minor?

Maniac piece. :heh:

lol- yup, that's the one

haha. this is a bit Late but isn't this a Philippine piece or something? hmm. Buencamino seems like a filipino's name. Lol :lol:

OH God, My mentor gave me a piece by that buencamino dude when I was 13 I think, it was " Maligayang Bati" I think the translation was Happy B-day...

DAYMN... I the piece was one of his easiest and yet it looked like Chopin's Polonaise. It was one of the most complicated pieces ever I have played. The melody was like a fugue, and the intricated notes was hard to learn as ever.

And then, she gave me another peice of that dude which was "Mayong Bulkan", I gave up after a month because my fingers could'nt reach it... and it was just too hard for my age I think... haha...

The hardest thing I've ever seen was Moonlight Sonata - 3rd Movement. It's so fast, and it's like 8 and a half minutes! :unsure:

I assure you, there are harder pieces XD Here are some samples:

This looks easy, but is actually almost impossible to play (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Xaijon/tango_nancarrow.jpg)
This is insanity (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Xaijon/sorabji1.jpg)

:eek:

*looks at first piece* how can there be three time signature?!? ;_;
*faints at second piece*

ARGGHHHH!! *is attempting to play 'Scars of time' on piano* Wah!! I cant get that middle bit right... always go off by one note, is there anyway to prevent that?

You mean Time's Scar from Chrono Cross? I love that song! where can I get it? =]

The harder song I've ever played would have to be Butterfly Kiss from Groove Adventure Rave. Though the only reason it's hard is because it's like.. two levels too high for me.

wrong again. Its Time Scar. If its Time's Scar in Ichigos, its a typo.

*looks at first piece* how can there be three time signature?!? ;_;
*faints at second piece*

The different key signatures are wicked.. although some people say it's playable.

The second one is actually written for a solo pianist. The composer, Sorabji, often used 3 or 4 staves because he couldn't fit everything in two.

It's on a site, Hell should I know ^^;

Fur Elise is the hardest piece, Evah!! Also, try the heroic polonaise! :s

The 2nd edition of Liszt's transcendental studies are evil; he revised them into what people now know as the transcendental etudes, because he feared they would never get performed

They are still no Sorabji ^_^

Check out this video! It's Chopin's Ballade No.1. It may look simple at first but wait about a minute or two :shifty:

http://s94578089.onlinehome.us/video/chopinballade1.wmv

Check out his cool website ^_^

http://s94578089.onlinehome.us :)

Fur Elise is the hardest piece, Evah!! Also, try the heroic polonaise! :s

Fur Elise? :huh: You're kidding me, right?

The second theme of Für Elise is tricky though :P

It's a little tricky, but there much more harder pieces! :\

Yup, just saying it isn't as easy as people think :P

According to Shine, Rachmaninov's 3rd Piano Concerto is supposedly the most difficult piano peice...

The hardest to play for me is

Rachmaniov - prelude in C sharp minor, op3, no2.

Ahaha that one was a JOY. >_< Really it wasn't so hard after my hands memorized the chords and such... but the controlled speed in the 2nd part was hell and then the chords in the final movement were insane to get a hold of...

Rustles of Spring by Sindling I believe... it's not so hard in the music but the speed is horribly fast. I did it for my recital in my 4th year of piano lessons and when I heard it on cd afterwards I was floored.

Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu is the hardest sheet music I've actually had in front of me. It just goes on forever at godlike speed and such a hard pattern to match with both hands. >_<

Try Balakirev's Islamey.

Can you say ownage (http://sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=1107)? XD

Chopin's Third Ballad. I am NOT strong enough.

Ginastera's Sonata One, Opus 22, Movement Four. Too... fast... and the ending chords. Yes, again, I am not strong enough.

The hardest piece I can play is Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody 2; and I don't play it all that well. Being still new to piano (almost 4 years now), and having no formal training; I know I've developed bad habits and jumped the gun. However, it's a piece of music I really love, and that motivation has helped me out immensly.

Being still new to piano (almost 4 years now)

Oh, right... You're "new..." <_<

Try not to take that statement the wrong way man. :)

I am coming up on 4 years of playing in December, but I have not had lessons. It shows. Since I only play for my enjoyment, and am not planning on being a concert pianist, I don't really care to much that I've developed bad habits and play stuff rather inefficiently. However, this leads my performances of tougher stuff to sound clearly amateur, and clearly immature in the piano sense.

When you figure that many people dedicate their whole lives to playing piano since they were in the 4-8 range, and play until the day they die, 4 years of playing as an 18 year old is indeed "new" to piano. :p

Trust me when I say this, I play a "nasty" Hungarian Rhapsody #2, and I mean that literally. I play it because I love it, but my inexperience glimmers through. :)

About a post on pg 5?6?
6-7 note chords can be played, use one finger for 2 or more notes (There's one in Chopin Scherzo 2 at the 3rd?4th? to last chord)

For ppl with small hands: Anything Rachmaninoff, or Hungarian Rhapsody 2 (Lizst)

For ppl bad at technical: Revolutionary Etude or Etude Opus 15 no. 2

For ppl bad at memorizing: Anything over 5 minutes....

IMO: Chopin Scherzo no. 2, Beethoven Appassionata (sp) Sonata, and Lizst Hungarian Rhapsody no. 2 (i'm learning first two, hope to finish in......2 years?)

Just getting Filght of the Bumblebee up to speed was challenging enough. @_@


yea, if you see the movie "Shine" the main chacter plays it, PERFECTLY, memorized..

when he stars its creepy.. dies like 36 notes on every white and black key from the top @_@

what Ifind difficult is switching from like 5 flats to 5 sharps.

But as for now..the most difficult song to date is for me is Romance, Op.5. by Mr. Tschaikovsky...stupid flats =_=

[QUOTE=Fleet]what Ifind difficult is switching from like 5 flats to 5 sharps.
QUOTE]


doesn't debussy's clair de lune do that? because i see the key sig. starts out on Bb Minor/Db Major, then either goes to E major, or something else.

Yes, something like that. Though, that song is easy. I think Fleet meant difficult songs that do that?... Maybe?

I hate playing 5-7 sharps
I absolutely love playing flats, 5-7 flats no problem, but 5-7 sharps?? Oh my god, it will take me awhile V.V

I hate playing 5-7 sharps
I absolutely love playing flats, 5-7 flats no problem, but 5-7 sharps?? Oh my god, it will take me awhile V.V

Ahahah Ditto... I quite honestly can handle 5 sharps but when there's more than that in flats or sharps it becomes annoying. Ok... 6 flats isn't so bad either... but having to remember E sharps just pisses me off. >)

I hate my Chopin book...
The peices ALWAYS start of simple melody, simple scale and then by the third page you see like full flat keys right hand going all the way up and jumping back down...

I love my sonatina books
I love rondos~

In terms of technical studies, there are tons of hard pieces available there. But what I've noticed is when it comes to expression. Expressing the soul of piece... That is what seperates the man from the boys...

I think the most difficult thing for a pianist to achieve is making a stranger praise her performance over the internet. I'm not a psychopath or anything, but the other day... I was doing my night walks after dinner, and started to hear someone playing moonlight sonata, the complete one. I think she was only 17-19 probably, and I listened and suddenly stared at their window for the whole time and was stunned at the beauty of the piece. It was as if I was listening to beethoven play himself. God, that was a spine tingling experience for me as a proff pianist. Never in my entire life did I hear such marvel at someone's performance, even my mentor's piano playing could never be compared to such...

I was such a freak that I clapped so hard after she finished playing and then she was startled at me... Haha, and then I ran away... She must have thought I was a maniac or something. :heh:

I would have to say the composition from Maurice Ravel: ''Piano Concerto in G Major'' for the left hand,
Paul Wichtenstein who lost his right hand in the first world war, and wrote a letter to Ravel and asked him to make a piano play for only the left hand.
When Wichtenstein played it in Vienna it sounded like it was played with two hands.

When I first heard the story I thougt: wow respect ^_^

uhh ... hrmm ...

Mariage D` Amour? o.O it was confusing cuz i had to play it 4 times in a row. The song is hekka long. I think another1 is Serenade by Franz Schurbert ... ? o.O? any1 heard of him? Song`z pretty old too ... so yeh. ><

i think there's something special about palying something incredibly challenging... but really... sometimes difficulty is subjective. true some songs are much much harder than others but everyone will tell you a diffeent song is the most difficult.

i think there's something special about palying something incredibly challenging... but really... sometimes difficulty is subjective. true some songs are much much harder than others but everyone will tell you a diffeent song is the most difficult.

True. Though the question in the beginning was which one was the most difficult one we have personally played.

I did Ondine from Gaspard de la Nuit...that one's insane because of the difficulty of expression combined with evil technical challenges.
Prokofiev's Piano Concerto #2, which I'm starting, is proving to be hard as well, mostly because I have a lot of difficulty understanding the harmonies.

uhh ... hrmm ...

Mariage D` Amour? o.O it was confusing cuz i had to play it 4 times in a row. The song is hekka long. I think another1 is Serenade by Franz Schurbert ... ? o.O? any1 heard of him? Song`z pretty old too ... so yeh. ><

Marriage D' Amour was actually easy for me. Just remember the first two parts and your pretty much set for the rest of the peice except for the near end. Whats annoying is the part where you have to use your pinky and your thumb to get to those far notes (Play both at the same time)(MiddleG to HighG, MiddleA to HighA, etc), but eventually I got used to it.

How about Liszts Ballad II?

How about Liszts Ballad II?

that is a nasty piece (to play, i mean)

there again.. what ive found with Liszt is that all of his pieces that are actually worth playing are pretty nasty technically at some point

Theres nothing i cant play, but i hate that is call "Arpegios" (in spanish)..... Velocity is the Key....

"there again.. what ive found with Liszt is that all of his pieces that are actually worth playing are pretty nasty technically at some point"

I think he was a mutant. I have the copy of the book that is as close as you can get that was translated from the original, with the (what must have thought to be) original fingerings. Mutant.

Hey people, I haven't been to Ichigo in a long while. Nice Topic, skimmed through it, and Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# minor was mentioned a few times >___< I've got all the notes right, but my pedalling is super messy. Arrrgh!

Has anyone got an mp3 of Sonny Chua's Theme and 12 Deviations?
I've just started this piece (yesterday)...its not too hard...i can play the first 16 bars perfectly^______^ which is just 'chopsticks' lol...but later its gets crazy with all these variations on a simple theme. You can hear all these allusions to 'Carmen'...Joplin...Liszt(i think, well he changes the style in each 'variation' like Liszt's Rhapsodies) and others...
If anyone can send me the audio for it so that i can learn the piece better, it would be much appreciated. or PM me

Hey people, I haven't been to Ichigo in a long while. Nice Topic, skimmed through it, and Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C# minor was mentioned a few times >___< I've got all the notes right, but my pedalling is super messy. Arrrgh!

Has anyone got an mp3 of Sonny Chua's Theme and 12 Deviations?
I've just started this piece (yesterday)...its not too hard...i can play the first 16 bars perfectly^______^ which is just 'chopsticks' lol...but later its gets crazy with all these variations on a simple theme. You can hear all these allusions to 'Carmen'...Joplin...Liszt(i think, well he changes the style in each 'variation' like Liszt's Rhapsodies) and others...
If anyone can send me the audio for it so that i can learn the piece better, it would be much appreciated. kered_2216@hotmail.com or PM me

A friend of mine has his complete cd's and I'll contact him if he still lives nearby london. I'll send you an mp3 version of the cd.

As for Sonny Chua, I love his works... Specially his improvisations with his creations. Good choice of music. It's kind of hard to understand though cause he completely shifts from jazz to classical then to pop and expressionism... He is a complete wacko in that piece but really funny...:heh:

Thank you tokoy! :D

The Entertainer.
It goes up in to the black keys; the ones that sound all asian if you press a bunch of them at the same time.

The Entertainer.
It goes up in to the black keys; the ones that sound all asian if you press a bunch of them at the same time.

There's MUCH harder songs. ;)

There's MUCH harder songs. ;)

yeah, like hot cross buns. that one even uses the white buttons!

Try and play Rachmanioff's prelude in F minor. (I think thats what the peice's name is.)

I know, it's not really a difficult piece, but I remember when I first tried learning Maple Leaf Rag by Scott Joplin...O.o

I nearly killed myself trying to get all the chords up to speed.

But currently, I dunno. Maybe Sonatina in A Minor? I've heard it played and it doesn't sound hard at all, and I have all the notes down pat. It's just the timing between the two hands that kills me...

The Entertainer.
It goes up in to the black keys; the ones that sound all asian if you press a bunch of them at the same time.

Yes, I think we know what the black keys are...:huh:

And last I checked, they sounded like sharps and flats when I hit a bunch of them at the same time.

Theres nothing i cant play, but i hate that is call "Arpegios" (in spanish)..... Velocity is the Key....

try playing some of my songs...:shifty:

The Entertainer.
It goes up in to the black keys; the ones that sound all asian if you press a bunch of them at the same time.

I'm more surprised that you're learning (or have learned) the entertainer before playing any other songs with sharps and flats...

The most difficult piece I had to learn (and memorize) was probably Chopin's Fantasi Impromptu.

Gurlitt's op.140, no.20. Its not hard but its finger cramping. I can say 98% of all the notes are 16th's. It may not be fast for a lot of you but it is for me...

Bach. i hate Bach. stupid fingering. stupid no peddle. argh!!
:D Listz is hard too. :D

Bach. i hate Bach. stupid fingering. stupid no peddle. argh!!
:D Listz is hard too. :D


(most) Liszt is easy but hallelujah to the Bach haters!! :P

Yea, there's only a few Bach stuff that I like (period) but most of the stuff I've played of Bach's is actually easy-although, I don't like his style much I haven't played a lot of his compositions-so hah!

Anyway, getting back on topic.

One of the hardest is (definetaley) Chopin's Prelude No. 16 in Bb Minor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbU_N102vIY

lol

Evgeny Kissin is faster, although this is the second fastest I've heard it played. Good find on this guy.

I don't play piano, but here's something:

http://www.music-scores.com/skill/composer2.php?skill=9&name=Piano

1st song- click play.

You need this to view it:

http://www.sibelius.com/cgi/plugin.pl

:sweat:

Chopin's polonaise, a flat op.53 is hard...Well, sorta hard compared to his prelude no.16.

It's actually easier compared to that Prelude, but not easy-just easier.

Lol, thats what I ment...

REPHRASE!

Chopin's polonaise, a flat op.53 is hard, but his prelude no.16 is harder.

EDIT: Sorry, wrong place...

x_x My name is hard..

well, Liszt's Transcedental "Mazeppa" (No. 4) is very hard. Three staves.

Oh my god that arpeggio in the beginning hard X_X

*of mazeppa*

Yea, that's the part that I can't remember, I can play it (I've got big hands-muahaa) but can't remember those chords for shiz.

Though, those scales are actually the 2nd easiest section of the entire piece, first being the Coda with those D Major chords and such.

Moonlight Sonata - 3rd mov

Technically, no. Skillwise, yea. It has that pace to it that seems to never have a rit. almost never in the entire piece, just some places with a rit. and accel. (I have the sheet music :\ ).

Here's something:

It's an Etude that someone composed: click here (http://www.music-scores.com/discus/messages/3551/EtudeNo-18047.sib)

You need this to view it: http://www.sibelius.com/cgi/plugin.pl

That's neat, but I don't think (technically) it's a very difficult piece.

Currently i'm playing La Campanella and Fantasie Impromtu.. Those are actually kinda easy after a while (as in, a year ^^")

One that i don't even dare to try is
Chopin's Etude in G flat major, Op. 10 No. 5 - Vivace.

That one's just mad.

Very.

His 4th Etude of Op. 10 actually isn't that technically hard at all.

Looked at the shet music along with the recording and said,

"I can get this down PAT in 4-7 months." Bwahaha.

And yea, La Campanella has some crazy right hand. @_@

Alkan's Op.23 Satarelle...

I just listened to La Campanella... @_@

EDIT: :dots:....... I just realized the piano accompinament (in Mozart's Clarinet Concerto) has the 32nd note stuff that La Campanella has..... but at a faster tempo.... I just hope my teacher can play it.

Great song isn't it? My personal favorite piece.
Wish me luck, audition for a school performance with La Campanella on Wednesday!


Other super hard songs:
Chopin's "Winter Wind" etude, "Black Key" etude, and etude op 10 no 2. (the latter not that hard.. just needs lotsa practice @_@)

I've heard somewhere that Rachmaninoff did arguably the hardest song ever? Not quite sure on that...

Is the Rachmaninoff you are referring to his 3rd piano concerto? (sometimes referred to as Rach 3?)

If so, then yes, it is a really difficult piece

If you've seen the movie "Shine" it's portrayed as one of the most difficult pieces (for piano) ever made.

Such huge and fast chords, but can't find almost any recordings of it anywhere.

~~

Weren't you working on the Rach 3 for a bit there Thorn?

Yeah I was. I was planning on entering a concerto competition playing it, but had only just got my fingers around the first movement when it came to the closing date and I knew that I wouldnt be able to get even the first movement to competition standard by the actual date of the competition, let alone add another movement to it (for the competition you needed to play 2 contrasting movements of a concerto).

When I was researching it on other forums, i was also told that despite the level of pieces i can already play, there would be no way i could do a convincing performance of the Rach 3 with only 4 years of playing behind me.

So I've left movements 2 and 3 for now. Still play the 1st occassionally though.

You can't find any recordings of it? I thought it was meant to be really famous? I know im probably not supposed to say this as it's like illegal, but I could send you a recording if you want?

Well, I could probably look around at some stores for it (Half Price Books etc.) but all I really find is the concerto (by Rachmaninoff) no. 2 and ocassionally 1.

I think I found one of the Rach 3, but it was horribly scratched up-so I passed on it.

Anyway, if I REALLY can't find it, I'll hit you up sometime then.

Reflets dans l'eau- Claude Debussy

has anyone tried any of the Ligeti etudes? think some of those are good candidates for most difficult piano piece

If anyone wants sheet music, just to try them out... PM me anytime. I got everything. =)

Have you ever tried Hungarian Rhapsody Nº2?
I don't know if Franz Liszt made it for piano or it's an arrangement...http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c329/marty-chan/pp024.jpg
Have you ever seen it? It's on F# Major...

I have the sheet music for that too....

EDIT: Actually, I have Hungarian Rhapsody No. 7 :heh: .

Yea, I have ALL 16 or so pages of the Hungarian No. 2

It's like C Sharp, A and then F Sharp (in that order?).

Hah, anyone tried FANTASY IMPROMPTU? Try matching 8 notes onto 6 at that speed... its OMFGWTFBBQHAX!

Hah, anyone tried FANTASY IMPROMPTU? Try matching 8 notes onto 6 at that speed... its OMFGWTFBBQHAX!

I was struggling with that for months then gave up (4 years ago). Started last year and I got pretty much all the notes down. Just keep practising, and the rhythm will become part of you.

Yes-start VERY slow then work your way up, but be sure your comfortable with the notes at every speed before attempting the actually written tempo.

I'm such a loser but to me, the hardest song I had a crack at was all of Bach's preludes. So fun but to many trills.

Baroque or nothing.

Could the carnival of Venice be a difficult enough peice to master.

Hah, anyone tried FANTASY IMPROMPTU? Try matching 8 notes onto 6 at that speed... its OMFGWTFBBQHAX!

fantasie impromptu isnt as hard as it seems. it flows pretty well once you've got your fingers round it at a slower tempo

O rly?

For Maze and Thorn, yes rly.

For everyone else like moi, no rly.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DbS6uIf-MMc
beautiful

Mephesto Valse No. 1 seems pretty difficult, but I think I could attempt it though. :lol:

Anyway, it'd be neat if Thorn learned that since he pwnzor at Liszt.

Yea, I have ALL 16 or so pages of the Hungarian No. 2

It's like C Sharp, A and then F Sharp (in that order?).

It's C#m, F#m, F#M and you're right, in that order. It's 18 pages long.
The beginning is easy... until the page finishes.

And also, that preformance by "Cambry" playing the Impromptu, was actually bad... considering he has had a bunch of other playing videos posted on YouTube that seem a little better-but he isn't all that PWN really.. No real expression, or just good expression.

Mephesto Valse No. 1 seems pretty difficult, but I think I could attempt it though. :lol:

Anyway, it'd be neat if Thorn learned that since he pwnzor at Liszt.

*goes to find sheets to mephisto waltz 1* have heard of it, but not heard it..

and thanks for compliment- but in comparison to the Liszt masters, im nothing... eg, have you heard any of Leslie Howards Liszt recordings?


@Radical Dreamer- Fantasie Impromptu really isnt that hard... fair enough it's an advanced piece, but Chopin has wrote harder pieces, MUCH harder ones

has anyone tried the Sorabji 100 Transcendental Etudes? i have a recording of etudes 1-25 and the sheets to etudes 1-18... they are a nightmare!!

Well, im a crappy pianist, so its hard for me.

I could *coughsendyouarecordingandthesheetsformephisto_no1 thorn*.

OMG "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as arranged by George Arlesomething from the Grade 9 RCM Repertoire book(Canadian) is the hardest piece of (crap) I have ever seen. Just to tell you, IT IS FREAKING INSANE. IT IS LIKE WTF SLAP YOU IN THE FACE INSANE. Like when you eat something really spicy and then you die.
Yeah I am probably exaggerating hehe. But they have these really unreasonable parts that require that you have really long fingers, good reflexes and maybe some pot. maybe I just suck. foo.

LOL! Can you scan that for me please!? =D

I'll try wait a minute my scanner is slow... *I'll edit this post with the attachment if I get it*

Hey hey whoops you can't post attachments.

Yeah, you can. Lol. o_O

edit: No you can't. HAH! ._.

What you do is go to one of your previous posts that no one looks at anymore in the compositions forum or Sheet Music Requests. Post your attachement there, right click, click on "Copy Shortcut", then just paste the website here :) .

Yeah, you can. Lol. o_O

Nope. if you scroll down it says:
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Yep. But that is off topic.
so to stay on topic, I know another hard song. Fantasie in D minor by Mozart, it has freaky running notes. My brother managed to master that somehow. he might be smoking something though.

Edit:

What you do is go to one of your previous posts that no one looks at anymore in the compositions forum or Sheet Music Requests. Post your attachement there, right click, click on "Copy Shortcut", then just paste the website here :) .
Oh. Well I'm trying to host the images somewhere anyways so I can post the link.

LOL, woops. Sorry, wrong forum I was thinking of =/ You can upload it on upload sites: http://www.yousendit.com

And I played that. Very very beautiful... and quite easy, imo, to most of the repretoire in that book. Have you played that Rondo in C by Beethoven yet? <3

Nope. Hey, that song is in my book. Haha I am guessing you have the same book as me? Then you can find that Over the Rainbow song in there although you should have already known it was in there..? I don't know. I am very confused right now.
Right now I am only playing... *looks at book*
Sinfonia No. 11 in G Minor by Bach,
The First Movement of Sonata in E Minor by Hadyn,
Waltz op. posth. 70, no. 2 and Mazurka op. posth. 67, no. 4 both by Chopin
and La Sarabande by Grovlez.
none are really challenging or else I wouldn't play them lol.

hey. off topic! someone's gonna kick me for his. *cringes in anticipation*

umm umm, hard song, uh, that arrangement of Passion from KH2 by an Andy Nguyen looks somewhere near impossible. yeah. you can find it somewhere on the forums.

EDIT: Was looking at the past posts, Fantasy Impromptu. I have not played that song but I love it. Is it by Chopin? I basically like everything by Chopin. Like his Valse Brillante which I love and play very often.

Hardest song I've played would have to be Air Platform Theme from Super Mario world. It took me three months of practicing to get it up to speed and actually sound good. But then I got lazy over the summer and now all my practice is erased!x_x

umm umm, hard song, uh, that arrangement of Passion from KH2 by an Andy Nguyen looks somewhere near impossible.
Nope, tanonev (Andy Nguyen) has played it.

Was looking at the past posts, Fantasy Impromptu.
It's by Beethoven.

Lol. Nah... I lent the book to my friend =(

It's by Beethoven.

Your off, but the style is studied as Beethoven's (long story about the Fantasie-Impromptu).

The Fantasie was written by none other than... Chopin.

How weird.... on musicscores.com, it says that it's by Beethoven :think:....

Look, believe a website, or someone who's playing it from a real published copy?

Cough..

EDIT - And let's not forget, it says it's by Chopin on every recording and published copy of the sheetmusic as well...

Wasn't just Chopin against the publication of Fantasie impromptu because he thought it resembled Beethoven's work/style or something? So in that sense, it was just inspired by Beethoven. It was still written by Chopin.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8dzkdLkCwIw

The second comment is funny when you read it before you play the video
"A wonderful richness of expression not often heard in performances of this piece.
(Glad to see he is wearing lighter make-up than when he played in Japan--the televised concerto performance was hard to watch because his colorful face was so distracting.)
I really wish the full performance were available!"

Wasn't just Chopin against the publication of Fantasie impromptu because he thought it resembled Beethoven's work/style or something? So in that sense, it was just inspired by Beethoven. It was still written by Chopin.

part of Fantasie Impromptu is IDENTICAL to part of Beethoven Moonlight III- i have bar references for that if you dont believe me

part of Fantasie Impromptu is IDENTICAL to part of Beethoven Moonlight III

YEAH! That's what I was thinking. The chordal runs are almost the same. Weird is I can play FI fine but not Moonlight III.=/

Hey Thorn, I'm lazy-

which bars? :lol: (Just name them, I have both songs.)

the can can

The hardest song to me by far is Jenova's Theme from final fantasy 7. The sheey music is on this website. Look it up.

I just listened to Chopin's Winter Wind Study @_@.....

After listening to Rach 3 [the whole thing this time], it isnt too terrible [still above my level though, just not THAT]. Chords are easy for me, the only thing that gets to me are arpegios X_X

Cough.. just the arpeggios... ROFL.

Yes, chords can be easy, but which? :P It's harder than it seems, take Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 in Bb minor.. I've seen it played, It's pretty difficult I think-one of the hardest out there as well.

Piano Concerto #1 is not that difficult. My friend, 17... she owns at the piece (Played it at a concert in China). And I even sight-read the accompliment section while she played it. FUN as HELL. Although, it does take a lot of stamina.

Yes, stamina is a big one. That's why I make 'Stamina' Etudes to help myself with dicipline and do not get tired. :heh:

nah the hardest piece is probably "Blue Rhapsody" George Gershwin. It's an AC level piano piece , almost 30 pages long. :heh:

Heck yeah I agree there. Anything by Listz is hard. I mean have you ever seen anyone play any of his songs?! I saw a guy play La Campanella and I was like..... mezmorized. Wow.... even now it blows my mind how someone could have the agility to do that. Wow.

Though one of the most difficult pieces of music I've ever tried to play on piano is Enya's A Day Without Rain. I'm sure that for everyone else in this forum it would be a piece of cake... however, Ive never had any kind of natural tallents so everything comes as a challenge for me. I don't regret it though, in fact it's exactly the opposite.
The only thing I have regrets about is not being able to play that piece yet.... The fact of the matter is I cry when I play it now or try to advance any further in it. My grandmother died just recently.... and I was very close to her.... well we played it at her funeral..... and I just wished I knew that piece because then I would have played it for her... then and before she died.
I also play piano in the memory of my mother. When I started at like 17 years old I didn't even remember that it was a promise I made to her.... not until this year and I'm 21 now. So I play for them and myself... I play for everyone and the enjoyment of it and if someday I could master it and write my own music I would hope to bring as much joy and equal challenges to the world that everyone here talks about.

My teacher says Points on Jazz is hard. And very hard for the small handed *yay for me, I have big-o hands*

EDIT - PoJ by Brubeck. Also, its a multipart composition, its Scherzo and A La Turk are possably the hardest out of all of them.

30 pages?!?!?! Are you smoking? OMFG

btw what's an AC level?

That's hard to say. Well, those large romantic pieces sound very hard, but I think it's the intricate classical stuff that's really difficult. I mean, it has to be exact and very percise, or it just doesn't work (some romantic pieces, you mess up...who can tell?)

But concept-wise, some Bach fugues are among the hardest to play on the piano...

i think for me its invoke and passion/sanctuary

AC is the performance level- the highest level of piano!!!

da da dum...

no worries, im not quite there yet -.-'

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G2NhSveyo70

sexy. Her jumps are of unholy percission. And she reminds me of Carrie...

http://www.annotatedmst.com/episodes/teenagewerewolf/carrie.jpg

i a long time ago i was learning solfegetto which i thought was wicked hard, i still can't play it :( and for some reason i always stumble through tocatta and fugue when i play it, which is strange because i was taught almost all classical and that's what i'm best at. then again, it's a killer on the violin too.

Heck yeah I agree there. Anything by Listz is hard. I mean have you ever seen anyone play any of his songs?! I saw a guy play La Campanella and I was like..... mezmorized. Wow.... even now it blows my mind how someone could have the agility to do that. Wow.

there is a handful of Liszt isnt that hard; for example the Liebestraume, and the individual pieces (eg- ones that arent part of a collection such as the Annees, the Etudes, the mephisto waltzes...etc).

La Campanella is a bitch to learn, but once you have it, it's a really fun piece to play. Liszt has written harder pieces- i think the hardest he ever wrote is the Campanella Fantasy (Op 2) and the Grandes Etudes 2,5,8,10 and 12 (the grandes etudes were 'simplified' into the Transcendentals because Liszt feared no one else would ever play them)

I'm playing a Liszt... Ballad II. I think it's not hard to play it, but it's hard for me to memorise it. Twenty-three pages and it's been half a year. I've only got twenty-one pages memorised. ._.

Chopin's Fantasie Imaproptu(sp). Every note is off beat :O In allegro arigato at 144 bpm in all 16th and 8th brought up to speed with every note off beat. I'm on 13 my hands aren't made for this kind of thing *nurses hands very tenderly*.

Eh, every note isn't off-beat--not off beat at all actually. The triplets are your best friend, it's fitting in the 16ths thats hard. Other than that, it isn't a very (technically) hard piece actually.

Eh, every note isn't off-beat--not off beat at all actually. The triplets are your best friend, it's fitting in the 16ths thats hard. Other than that, it isn't a very (technically) hard piece actually.

Hmm, I always learned to play the notes inbetween every other Like a 16th g and a I'd always play the note inbetween thoose in the bass and do that on every note :S.

Mad Moon Sonata by nao.paradigm
R3 by Kevin.O2Se
Fantasy Impromptu [or, Electro Fantasy]

Try searching it in www.mybloop.com

Nocturne for the Left Hand Alone >.<...

http://www.music-scores.com/skill/composer2.php?pageNum_composer=1&totalRows_composer=16&skill=9&name=Piano

That's supposted to be hard?

By the looks of it, only about 20 times (gradually going to tempo) you could get that down pat.


Hmm, I always learned to play the notes inbetween every other Like a 16th g and a I'd always play the note inbetween thoose in the bass and do that on every note :S.

Well to see what I mean, slow down the song to about , Quarter = 60

Just getting Filght of the Bumblebee up to speed was challenging enough. @_@

Inuyasha's "Dearest" was my first challenge when you get up to the chorus. It also has some tricky ties too. Still, it's on e of the best songs on piano I've ever heard.

Flight of the Bumblebee...

The hardest pieces for me would probably be anything rachmaninoff. I mean, rach 3 is insane. I have really small hands, so it's hard enough just to play. I can barely stretch my hand to about 6 keys. Plus, I have a nasty habit having to listen to a piece a few times before I can play it. So I can't sight read for life. It's sad...I should really practice more.....

Barely 6 keys? Whoa, that's SMALL.

Meh, 10 Keys is my limit. Lol

>_< Yeah, it sucks having small hands. I'm so jealous of my brother. He has those long slender fingers...The most difficult piece I ever come close to mastering was probably chopin's revolutionary etude. Only because it's one of my favorite songs. The chords were a real pain. I had to really really stretch.....but the left hand is really fun.

The hardest pieces for me would probably be anything rachmaninoff. I mean, rach 3 is insane. I have really small hands, so it's hard enough just to play. I can barely stretch my hand to about 6 keys. Plus, I have a nasty habit having to listen to a piece a few times before I can play it. So I can't sight read for life. It's sad...I should really practice more.....

I really wouldn't attempt rach 3 if you can't sight read. you need to develop your musical ability much further for something like that. i can sight read, and have played pieces in the same league as rach 3 in concerts, but gave up with the outer movements because i dont have the capacity for them at the moment. in a masterclass i went to over the summer, someone in the class was told that you need a good 6 yr+ experience of playing at a level beyond grade 8 before you will be ready to tackle this piece. and i have to say i agree.

and a 6 key stretch makes it a million times harder. i have the same stretch as Mazeppa (sometimes an 11 key if its on one black, one white) and there are some chords that are meant to be played as one that i have to spread.

think rach 3 is definately up there with the most difficult pieces.

would also like to add to the list some of the Messiaen Vingt Regards x_x

Mazeppa and Feux follets are the hardest pieces I've ever seen played... damn Liszt

Ouch... My hand's quite big for my age. I can stretch a 9th at the most. XD That's quite big.

Hardest I've done so far is either Aeris' Theme, Final Fantasy VII Main Theme or Moonlight Sonata. The right hand kills your hands!!!! :heh: