Even stuff from people like us? They'd never track everything down! @_@

Dammit...the url won't work...

http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2133&d=1149520995

Ok above is the link to a .zip which is holding a .wma file of my horrible playing of the IInd movment to the Pathetique (Beethoven).

I want a new piano, and I played with sweaty palms and a fever.

EDIT : OMFG... I click on wrong topic. Sorry!

Sure...

I don't suppose anyone could identify this?

http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2128&d=1149453188

I am not sure, and it's probably incorrect.

But the names:

Peer Gynt or Carmen come to mind. More Peer Gynt. :\

I know I've heard it before, but I never learned the name or the composer =\

Sure...

I don't suppose anyone could identify this?

http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment...8&d=1149453188

Hmm, I'm pretty sure that's from series of suites by George Bizet titled L'Arlésienne, specifically the prelude. However, the theme is apparently from a Christmas carol titled "March of the Kings".

Thank you muchly, sir.

The piece is called Farandole by Bizet. Eddy nailed it on the head.

Noir7: I still don't know.

Omg!

We played this in band today.

Mae - PWNED.

Pwned? How was I pwned? Eddy helped me out big-time!

way off-topic, but don't want to start a new thread....
PIANO RECITAL: MEDIEVAL TO MODERN
friday(aaaaaaaaagggh(kidding i know my stuff^_^ ))7:00

I'm playing a bach little prelude (on a keyboard for "harpsichord" sound)
Beethoven German dances 1,2, and 9 (easy)
Gardens in the mist(some stupid little piece i memorized in a week)
Slavonic Dance 8 Dvorak(duet with teacher pretty easy)
Claire de Lune(by my request)

If you live in the Allentown, PA area, you are invited, Friday at 7:00 pm at Holy Spirit lutheran church. (anyone else can come too) but probably no one lives in the area...oh well. wish me luck!^_^


EDIT:if you come, the recital is LONG(2hrs. probably)
some little kids, most are pretty good though.
im scattered all over(have third and second-to-last(Claire de lune)pieces)the recital
and, if by some WILD chance, anyone comes, please do an audio record if possible then post it in the recordings section(mostly would want Claire de lune, but...)
i should stop doing things to myself, noone will come heh....if you come, notify me beforehand so i can worry :)

And know a Music Transcription Program? That changes mp3 into sheet music?

I don't know about mp3 to sheet music, but a program does do Midi to sheet music. Forget the name thought.

BTW, you're sig is past the guidelines. Pick only one of the sigs please.

what kinda music do u ppl like? People these days seem to b into hip hop more... O.o I myself would perfer classical because of the soothingness.. but hip hop is alright..

*edit* ahhh sry about that... xD

speak proper english please. There is a thread right smack dab at the top of the forum about it. =_=

I don't like hip-hop at all. Rock is my favorite.

speak proper english please. There is a thread right smack dab at the top of the forum about it. =_=

I don't like hip-hop at all. Rock is my favorite.

Oh really.. Forgot about that.. >.< But hey... I thought this was general discussion you know... =\ This is general... >.< and lol.. rock... cant forget about rock..

*edit* lol proper? O.o argh... so used to instant messaging...

Which sadly, is why I had to start a thread complaining about it...

Just had a concert last night. The stupid trigger kept sticking on my french horn! I left feeling severely disappointed. However, at the end, a couple of friends and I started playing the Fight Song, and soon the whole band joined in. :lol: The look on my band teacher's face...priceless.

@maestrosetti-hehehe....should do something like that at a piano recital:shifty:
anyway......
piano recital went about two hours. it was....strange. my best time i have ever played clair de lune was tonight....the whole audience was completely silent during the whole thing....i thought they had fallen asleep:P
i got so many congratulations for clair de lune. WHOAH. so anyway...it was a good recital:)

I remember one of the last times I participated in a piano competition, I hadn't really slept the night before. So when it came time to perform, I was so tired and I messed up really really really bad . . but I still managed to win first place for one of my pieces, probably because I was the *only* performer for that category :whistle:

Does anyone know where I might be able to find a good free bagpipe soundfont? Mies showed me one that cost around $35...I don't think so!

Mae: Nope, sorry

Al: That happened to my choir when we were down in Flordia. Take the win when you can get it, that's all I can say. :lol:

complete change in topic:
FLIGHT OF THE BUMBLEBEE looks really hard! anyone here can play it?
video of a professional playing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfP-ag6i5o&mode=related&search=flight%20of%20the%20bumblebee

I've played a version of it arranged for flute quartet at college last year... now that was hard to get together- each of us had a different idea of the speed it should take :P

its not really my kind of piece though... so wouldnt normally play it

I've got the music for it on piano and mallets. Let's just say its easier on mallets because it really is only chromatics. Although I'll never be able to play it up to snuff.

That guys looks a lot like Evgeny Kissin (Fav. Pianist). Just sayin'.

Anyway, I think everyone is glad that Chopin didn't find that emlody out, or that piece would be Impossible. Heh.

Anyway (AGAIN), to all my Liszt studies or players out there, it kind of sound like a Liszt etude. Well, just something that Liszt would write. That like Mephisto Valse (No. 1) kind of feel in it, but with his Transcendentals' -with Liebestraum tied in there with that Eb, C# Minor section.

I just noticed my vacuum cleaner's noise is in Ab :mellow:

That gives me an idea. A vacuum cleaner opera. Nah, that'd be too hard to do. But, seeing as I'm inspired, I'm going to record my vacuum cleaner and make it into an instrument patch. Thanks, NooNoo! :)

That gives me an idea. A vacuum cleaner opera. Nah, that'd be too hard to do. But, seeing as I'm inspired, I'm going to record my vacuum cleaner and make it into an instrument patch. Thanks, NooNoo! :)

that would be cool! :P
Maestrosetti: "NooNoo"?
oh, here's something else youtube thorn might be interested in:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez1s9JCzvQg&search=gaspard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdwmrT2A1k&search=gaspard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMRrcSEVzgI&search=gaspard
and some random piano stuff:
two pieces from Ravel's Le tombeau de Couperin(what the heck does that mean anyway?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSl-LSCiDM&search=ravel%20couperin
some debussy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15afUxNFsoY&search=debussy%20piano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnB8rFVcQ8g&search=debussy%20piano

The Fall of the...not sure what couperin means. He has a lot of weird titles for his songs. One I recall, had something to do with a dead baby in the title.

I've done a lot this (school) year... I memorized a 171 measured band piece...

Can you lick your elbows too?

My friend can! XD

OFF-TOPIC.

Ok, anyway this is going to be a little off-topic, but it is kind of 'on-topic; as well.

Anyway, this is for anyone who has RPG Maker 2000.

How can you insert your own .mid/.midi files? I am making a game entitled "The Legend of The Musicans" which is mainly my whole story about a land ruled by music, but some dude comes and takes control of it. :\

Though, just needing an answer.

EDIT : Nevermind. Heh. Found it out.

I just noticed my vacuum cleaner's noise is in Ab :mellow:

That's interesting, I thought that all appliances are tuned to B natural. Maybe that was just my microwave.

Heh, I did a little experiment.

Computer fan = F
Vacuum Cleaner = Ab
Printer = Eb
Alarm Clock = E

:huh: wierd, that you would take the time to do that......
I got the Walter Gieseking recording of a bunch of Debussy stuff.....he is the master of Debussy...
im re-learing Clair De Lune so it sounds more like this recording:)

um.. take time to do? :lol: I just listened to the frequency until I found the note on my keyboard.

:lol2:

that's astounding!

What is an instrument patch?

er soundfonts?

isn't MIDI an instrument patch?

er soundfonts?
Doesn't have to be sound fonts. Those are just most commonly used. It can really be any sort of sound you record, edit, and play via midi.

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/worlds-smallest-functional-grand-piano

What do you guys think of this?

Wow. Finally a piano the Smurfs can play.

did that ichigos band thing take off at all?

I don't think so.

Nah, and now in retrospect... it all seems very unrealistic =p

I'm writing two songs right now, and they are both sad songs. I've just been in a sad mood lately...

Are they posted? I'd be interested in hearing them.

Let's hope they are portrayed as Sad songs, and not beautiful songs eh?

I'm boycotting the word 'beautiful' to describe music. For me, it's handsome or nothing.

My spider sense senses C-G-Am-Em-F!

:P lately it seems i'm getting really addicted to the now disbanded ZONE and the group MARIA...:P i heard 1 song of ZONE and got hooked and then things led to MARIA since the bassist from ZONE is the lead for MARIA...yeah that's just something i felt like saying ^___^
(and for the first time ever here on this forum...i have changed my avatar [thus only my second avatar overall] to the bassist...cuz :P i like her XD, she's pretty good)

well.. i discovered a new band... alice nine..
they arent that bad.. not the best.. but yeah..
i like their look though..

anywho.. not long ago i found my passion for piano once again.. wooh! but now iv realised why i didn like my playin of it much.. coz i always sound the same...
though in the right moods it sounds really nice and relaxing

:P lately it seems i'm getting really addicted to the now disbanded ZONE and the group MARIA...:P i heard 1 song of ZONE and got hooked and then things led to MARIA since the bassist from ZONE is the lead for MARIA...yeah that's just something i felt like saying ^___^
(and for the first time ever here on this forum...i have changed my avatar [thus only my second avatar overall] to the bassist...cuz :P i like her XD, she's pretty good)

I was watching a music show on AZN and it was all ZONE. They are wayy to hyper.

I have a question about pianos. I have a piano without leggs on the keyboard. When I play I dont really care because im engrossed into it but other then those momments im scared I can break the keyboard off by playing to hard..

possable?

hrmmmm... well i doubt it will break off
well if it looks really rusty and all.. then be careful i guess?
well... look at it, add some pressure frm the keys, and see if the thing tilts

OR! if you cant be botherd doin that... put like a ball on the keys.. whilst playing... and if it falls off, then i guess that when you play that it gets slightly tilted.. which means that possible breakage...
but i have no idea

I just cut myself on a friend's piano key. Now how original is that?

I just cut myself on a friend's piano key. Now how original is that?

:think: Um... Quite original. XD What kind of piano is that? Even my evil piano doesn't cut fingers. Hm... I think all my instruments except for my piano hates me, my oboe made my thumb curved and nearly disjointed, and my zheng (Chinese koto thingy) gives my fingers blister everytime I play, but if I play tremolo... :ph34r: Something horrible is going to happen. :P

EDIT: Question answered :heh: .

ooh hey there sir dotdotdot!
havnt spoken to you for a while
still goin at the oboe i see... hows it going?
anywho!
cuttin yourself on the piano? MAN! never thought it was possible

WOOH! my church just bought and installed an electric piano
okay, ot be honest... i wouldv prefered if they jus fixed the old piano rather than go and buy another piece of equipment..
but hey... i must admit.. its pretty trendy and cool... i like it.. but i still prefer the pure sounds of a true piano... mmmm delicious

I just got Somthing About Airplanes! If you dont know, its an album by Death Cab durring their indie days.

Speaking of Death Cab,

about 3 weeks ago they "un-released" one of the two recorded songs off their new album (2007 btw) on the radio.

It's very synthy and bassy too. Kind of like Soul Meets Body but with a House/Atmosphereic kick to it.

(Also, this wasn't played at any other time, just once!)

http://entertainment1.sympatico.msn.ca/German+researchers+find+copies+of+oldest+music+han dwritten+by+Bach/Music/MusicNews/ContentPosting.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=47896029&feedname=CP-ENTERTAINMENT&show=True&number=5&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

German researchers find copies of oldest music handwritten by Bach

Speaking of Death Cab,

about 3 weeks ago they "un-released" one of the two recorded songs off their new album (2007 btw) on the radio.

It's very synthy and bassy too. Kind of like Soul Meets Body but with a House/Atmosphereic kick to it.

(Also, this wasn't played at any other time, just once!)

Isnt their new album going to be Directions? And their newst album Plans?...

Huh? REWORD please :P

I just cut myself on a friend's piano key. Now how original is that?

*Just saw this*

Dude, that isn't original-I've done it many a times on my cut lower keys on my Acrosonic. x_x

(Sorry for Double Post)

Hey, when is there going to be another composition tournament, eh?

Just wondering, been dead since like July I think.

Patience, my young lion cub!

LION CUB *RAAAWWWWWRRR*

Alright, well I'm happy my daddy informed me with somthing. :)

I thought it was patience young grasshopper.

:mellow:

Ah... I'm the only oboist in band this year, should I cheer, or should I not (well, I shouldn't, bands are evil, they give the poor oboists evil keys like A flat major and B flat major, but blah, I just need to get used to the left right fingerings @_@)? XD Now I have no one to rely counting and all that on... :heh: But being solo is fun... ;)

Yep... it's tough to be the only oboist... NO ONE ever wants to play oboe (at least at the bands I was in)... :bleh:

You had it easier than me... I was playing clarinet for 3 years (at the time I started) and it took me about an hour or two of practicing to finally get sound out of the oboe :heh: . Unfortunately, the band was currently looking at intermediate stuff while I didn't know much about oboe fingerings yet :heh: ...

EDIT:.... Mozart trills start on top note, right?... and are the 2 grace notes after a trill required?

EDIT:.... Mozart trills start on top note, right?... and are the 2 grace notes after a trill required?

Yes, I start with the top notes usually, and the grace notes have to be done, it's like a link connecting the trill to the next note.

Bwah, oh wells, I have to admit I'm not half bad on oboe, but I'm still fairly new... I just got my cert for third grade Trinity exam, and going on to sixth grade Trinity now... (8 grades in total) XD

The world needs more good oboeists because the bad ones sound really bad. The oboe is such a pretty instrument when someone who actually knows how to play it is playing it. Same with the bassoon and violin.

How about the trumpet? It's even worse if you ask me... someone playing it carelessly will make it sound like a screeching seal. Although when it's played in that sweet, slightly broken tone... awww :D

Actually, I think all the instruments with the d'amore ending needs waaaayyyy more love, I mean, oboe d'amore, viola d'amore and clarinet d'amore are all wonderfully ominous and sweet instruments, but now they're completely forgotten. x_x And yes, we need more oboists, it's lonely and sad when you make a mistake and have no one to blame on. :cry:

oboe d'amore, viola d'amore and clarinet d'amore

I always wondered what those instruments were... :think: Obviously they are really forgotten.

Any Images of them that someone can show me?... :heh:


And yes, we need more oboists, it's lonely and sad when you make a mistake and have no one to blame on.

Too bad no one noticed me not playing :dots:

Too bad no one noticed me not playing :dots:


@_@ If I make a mistake, 50 people of the woodwind section would make a big fuss about it, so how do they not notice you? Lol.

I know.... it was a small concert band, too :lol: .

Lol, my friend (who has perfect pitch) went crazy when he watched The Lion King. Every now and then he pointed out how every song was tuned wrong XD Apparently, everything was pitched a semi-tone higher. I didn't notice of course =P

My current goal is to get the skills and play Bach's fugue in G minor PERFECTLY.

Sad goal, isnt it?

Uh. I forget how it goes. :P

I'm trying to play Scarlet from Ayashi No Ceres......
Pray I get the second page finished. x_x

ooo Scarlet, fun piece, sounds really nice

This IS (most likely) the TOUGHEST Clarinet Piece I'll ever find!

(MUS FILE) : http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3103&d=1158890135

Why the Grace Notes? :bleh: Especially with the Key Signature....

I hate to admit this, but I can play as high as this song can.... but can't move my fingers that fast...

That key isn't that hard on the clarinet (it's just another band key that the oboe hates so much that it's not even funny), and it doesn't seem hard with some practice, after all, clarinet is quite versatile. ._.

My teacher says Points on Jazz is hard. And very hard for the small handed *yay for me, I have big-o hands*

EDIT - PoJ by Brubeck. Also, its a multipart composition, its Scherzo and A La Turk are possably the hardest out of all of them.


EDIT - omg wrong thread

Name this tune:

F F E E F F E F G E

A A G G A A G A Bb A

Granted it may not be in the right key. Also this is a famous piece sung by a choir. I just can't think of the name.

Carl Orff's Carmina Burana.

sorry if this has already been brought up...

but in music the other day, we had to talk about John Cage's 4'33''

i just think it's such a huge con it's untrue.

basically the performer(s) get up on stage and sit there with their instruments and just don't play anything for 4 minutes and 33 seconds. the philosophy behind it is that you listen to the sounds around you. everyone's interpretation of sound is different, therefore the music will sound different according to how each individual percieves the sounds within that time space.

im not bad mouthing the philosophy; it's very true. but Cage didn't INVENT this philosophy; it came from the Ancient Greeks who believed that music was taken from the air. i just think at the end of the day, Cage just plagiarised the philosophy and called himself the composer of the piece. surely each individual who performs and listens to the piece are the composers, because they are the ones who arrange the sounds together in their mind.

Surely he plagiarized the philosophy, but he sure didn't plagiarized the piece... Since no composers were so evil to make the performers sit there and waste their lives for 4 minutes and 33 seconds. :bleh:

Surely he plagiarized the philosophy, but he sure didn't plagiarized the piece... Since no composers were so evil to make the performers sit there and waste their lives for 4 minutes and 33 seconds. :bleh:

True...

I remember the day that my music theory teacher made us study that piece (this was when I never heard it before- 8th Grade). Since I was the ONLY person in the class that ever knew about Music Theory stuff ( :bleh: ) people kept asking me, "Have you ever heard this song?"... and after 3 minutes of that, I figured out the point of this piece. 20th century music... :bleh: ...

True...

I remember the day that my music theory teacher made us study that piece (this was when I never heard it before- 8th Grade). Since I was the ONLY person in the class that ever knew about Music Theory stuff ( :bleh: ) people kept asking me, "Have you ever heard this song?"... and after 3 minutes of that, I figured out the point of this piece. 20th century music... :bleh: ...

What's so bad about 20th century music? Stravinsky's Sacre du Printemp was nice, but there were just a bunch of atonal stuff that not everyone accepts.

Yep... it's the atonal stuff.

i love 20th century music- impressionism, avant garde, contemporary, whatever. it's just that particular "piece" by Cage.... it's ridiculous

i love 20th century music- impressionism, avant garde, contemporary, whatever. it's just that particular "piece" by Cage.... it's ridiculous

John Cage was weird. :lol: Yeah, writing symphonies for birds chirping and stuff like that, it's a little too much... But at least he helped to develop sound effects and etc...

the bird music wasn't Cage- it was Messiaen- next to Liszt, Ravel and Debussy he's my fave composer ever.

im not saying Cage was a bad person or composer- just that bloody piece.

the bird music wasn't Cage- it was Messiaen- next to Liszt, Ravel and Debussy he's my fave composer ever.

im not saying Cage was a bad person or composer- just that bloody piece.

Really? Well, I remember reading about him on wiki or something that he did quite a few of strange instrumental stuff. But yeah, I can't really take atonal music, I listened to an atonal tone poem once, and I had a nightmare that night... Not fun... x_x I like Debussy, Stravinsky, and especially Rimsky-Korsakov for late 19th century/20th century though. L'apres Midi D'un Faune, Scheherezade, and Christmas Night were the awesomest orchestral pieces ever. =D

EDIT: AH I AM SO SORRY WRONG THREAD :( FORGIVE FORGIVE

I quite like the concept of 4'33". Although Cage didn't come up with the original idea, he was still a pioneer in pushing the boundaries of music, and he also had the guts to do it when no one else would.

like i said- im not doubting Cage's influence over modern music and musical skills.

just the 4'33'' is not his own work at all- the idea is an ancient philosophy and the composers are the listeners and performers... its a bit of a scam as far as im concerned... similarly people who win art prizes for putting a crushed can on a platform or sitting on a glass bucket in the middle of a gallery and shitting into it.... they're not actually creating anything.

Yeah, I know you have nothing against Cage himself, I was just stating my opinion, haha. But I don't think of it as plagiarising. It's almost as if . . okay, think of wayyyy back in the past. People were still singing Gregorian chants or whatever. Then let's say sometime before the Renaissance (okay, so my history is very bad), some people came up with the concept of harmony. "Wow, the C major triad sounds nice!" And then everybody started using it. Is that wrong? Isn't Cage doing the same thing, using an old idea and going further with it? (Even if it's for 4 minutes and 33 seconds? Haha.) So in my point of view, 4'33" is not entirely a matter of "getting the listener to make up his/her own music in the silence" (what you said by the composers are the listeners), but more a matter of "questioning the essence of music". In any composition, there may be a few seconds of silence. A quarter rest here, a whole rest there. I think it's still music if you push it longer (for 4'33") . . okay, maybe I'm not making sense, but mehhhh.

Edit: And I quite like the idea of everybody being composers. We're all artists in one way or another. It's just how we express ourselves that makes us and our ideas stand out. And now Cage and his idea will live on forever. While we are to be forgotten =P

I think 4'33 was brilliant. It screams "the world is not as it seems". Its mostly the traditionalist who dont like such new things; everyone who tried somthing new went through ridicule. The impressionist, the cubist, most avant grade artist. People have an instinct to not like somthing new because its not in somthing they are readily used to.

People have an instinct to not like somthing new because its not in somthing they are readily used to.

agreed

but any form of art involves creation; creation of sound, movement, pattern, whatever.

all types of music- modern, medieval (sp?) and everything inbetween have been created. In 4'33, Cage doesnt actually create anything.

A little off-topic here, but I might be joining a band with some Juniors I've known since like Kindergarder (their 2 years older than I am). I would be a songwriter and keyboard player too. They said they write songs, but kinda sucky ones, so I'm glad I might be putting composing to good use! ;)

Anyway, just a little update with me Music Life in General. :heh:

EDIT - I guess their Metal. Iron Maiden for example?

agreed

but any form of art involves creation; creation of sound, movement, pattern, whatever.

all types of music- modern, medieval (sp?) and everything inbetween have been created. In 4'33, Cage doesnt actually create anything.

He created a new thought.

The idea isnt new, but he was quite possably the first to give the idea to the public. There are always many people with the same idea, but the one who executes it is the one that is credited.

@maze

Umm, no offence but I hope you dont ruin the band. Your style of composing is a bit classical, and I dont think you are used to the rock and roll composition.

This is so bias, but get Death Cab for Cutie's album Plans and Transatlanticism [two diffrent albums btw]. They use mandolins, acustic guitars and pianos frequently. Listen & study.

and Hush Sound. A lot of piano is used in their music.

Lol. Racial. I have good ideas, I need my brother to help me on arranging them a bit better though. Just because I had one song, doesn't mean I can't compose it.

And yes, I love DCFC, but I'm not really into writing that kind of music. I love it, but I haven't had any inspirations with that style of emo-rock (as I classify it). But you can't say I could "ruin" it though. The last thing I posted of rock was months ago, and I've been listening and picking through the harder Pearl Jam songs especially. When my brother drives me around somewhere again, I need to hear some Iron Maiden and study those parts as well too.. just how their arranged; Mom won't let me listen to IM-which is gay. Lol.

A little off-topic here, but I might be joining a band with some Juniors I've known since like Kindergarder (their 2 years older than I am). I would be a songwriter and keyboard player too. They said they write songs, but kinda sucky ones, so I'm glad I might be putting composing to good use! ;)

Anyway, just a little update with me Music Life in General. :heh:

EDIT - I guess their Metal. Iron Maiden for example?

Good for you. I think it's very important to vary yourself and have the guts to try out something out-of-the-box, so to say. I myself composed two short techno pieces last night :heh: It was mainly a bet, which I won (I bet my friend that anyone could compose shitty techno music).

Lol. Racial. I have good ideas, I need my brother to help me on arranging them a bit better though. Just because I had one song, doesn't mean I can't compose it.

And yes, I love DCFC, but I'm not really into writing that kind of music. I love it, but I haven't had any inspirations with that style of emo-rock (as I classify it). But you can't say I could "ruin" it though. The last thing I posted of rock was months ago, and I've been listening and picking through the harder Pearl Jam songs especially. When my brother drives me around somewhere again, I need to hear some Iron Maiden and study those parts as well too.. just how their arranged; Mom won't let me listen to IM-which is gay. Lol.

Hmm, lol. Either way, its great your becoming well rounded.

And even if your not into writing Alternative rock [thats its offical name], you should just notice how DCfC uses those traditional instruments, because they use it masterfuly.

*Picks up grammophone*

http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?p=295415#post295415

My post wins. So you can't bitch at me not giving critisizms anymore. :P

That reminds me, I gotta review too =\ *gets working on it*

Mozart's Clarinet Concerto.... (K.622) I use a Bb Clarinet... but I use the "G.Schirmer" Edition (in C major- for the clarinet- not concert pitched)... while this "Barenreiter" editon expects you to play in... 5 Sharps, or B major (Concert A Major)... on the clarinet. What I'm wondering is, why would the "Barenreiter" edition make anyone play it in this hard key? Even professionals struggle on this piece, and putting it in a Key Signature like this makes it even harder...

(or is this company trying to make you get an A Clarinet?).

Well, what key is the piece originally in? I suppose on a clarinet, the key signature would present some intonation problems...

The key signature was ORIGINALLY Concert A Major (B Major for the Clarinet, as I mentioned above). But... why play at that key, when it's so difficult for a Bb Clarinet? The G. Schirmer version has it at C Major for the clarinet, making it much easier than the B Major Version.

That's why I was wondering if the company is trying to get people to buy an A Clarinet.

Darn it! I couldn't finish my Overture in time for the contest. x_x I think if I finished it, it's definitely going to be better than my Fantasia which was composed nearly 5 months ago.

Damn... I just saw on Swedish TV that there was a guy in the beginning of 1900-century who could sing tones that spanned over 8(!) octaves and 3 semitones. He created his own voice-practise programme and people even wrote music just for his unusual voice =)

I saw somthing similar to that yesterday on yahoo video. It was some guy singing in Russian and it was already a high-ish pitch, but then he went all "EHHHHAYEE!" and it was really high.

lol

^.^ I'll be playing Bass Clarinet and Clarinet (at every rehersal and concert... how unusual :heh: ) starting Monday :) ! :think: That means that I'll have to somehow switch instruments somehow in between songs....

You might be sitting near the last chair people, or by the lower instruments then so your tone/sound/pitch (w/e you get it) won't sound out of place.

Those that play Clarinet:

Which piece should I play first?:

Solo de Concours by Messager
or
Allegro Movement of Mozart's Clarinet Concerto (K.622)?

I'm a Grade 7 Clarinetist... (just can't get the tone right, though :heh: )

EDIT: About tone, how does 'Single Lip' work? I've done it before, but I notice little difference...

To me, to have a good clarinet tone, you need expression--all I can say atm.

To me, to have a good clarinet tone, you need expression--all I can say atm.

Or tune with the oboes before rehearsal. :P Then keep your embouchure the way it is (try not to change it during performance), don't bite, and praaaaactise.

WOAH! Did you know Mariah Carey has perfect pitch, *and* a 5-octave voice register?

Mariah Carey has got some talent. She is one of the few pop stars that I can listen to and enjoy.

I'm learning how to play the tenor saxophone! Whoo!

I played the tenor for like, a day...kinda wanna play it again.

Lol I have a $300 alto sax that I bought from eBay...it's full of problems, but I can manage it ;) Working on my altissimo range right now, though the first G is a biatch to play...


To a clarinet player: why does the instrument not let you play vibrato easily? Or at all? Just wondering.

Well, vibrato on a clarinet would sound weird and kinda stupid if you ask me.

All I know you can't really do a vibrato like on, let's say, a flute or even an oboe for instance.

What do you mean you can't? Of course you can!

Vibrato can actually be executed really easily on the clarinet, actually. You just have to change how you put your mouth on the mouthpiece ;). Mazeppa, Flutes almost ALWAYS use Vibrato on solos.

let's put it this way: it would be a stylistic effort produce a musical effect to NOT use vibrato on flute, whenever you play.

I dunno, I'm a flute and sax player, not a clarinet player. I was just wondering, since it's pretty easy to do a vibrato on sax...so I was wondering what made the clarinet so different that usually, clarinets don't use vibrato (well, at least in my 7+ years with an ensemble, I've never heard a clarinet vibrato before)

I think it's cos clarinets have a smaller mouthpiece than saxes and they're not used to doing jaw/diaphragm vibrato since it's only a coloristic effect.

It's actually REALLY simple to produce a vibrato on the clarinet.

1. Place your LIPS (not teeth) on the mouthpiece. Then blow. DO NOT USE TONGUE!

It's making it sound good that's hard.


clarinets don't use vibrato (well, at least in my 7+ years with an ensemble, I've never heard a clarinet vibrato before)

From what I've heard, it's because it doesn't sound good. :bleh:

Blah! Once again you interpret my words wrong! Die, all of you! Infedels!

I said that you can't vibrato, or at least not like you CAN on the flute or oboe!

And by the way, if our band teacher didn't teach us how to vibrato on the clarinet, then he knows it's useless for the instrument. I've never heard a vibrato on a clarinet and have never seen one (played by) a clarinetist in ANY orchestra videos.

A Trombone Choir from Capital came to our school once to put on a concert. Apparently the director was an accomplished trombonist and composer. He and the clarinet professor played a duet that he composed. Clarinet and trombone sounds like an odd combination, but it had a really interesting sound. Anyway, that was the only time I've ever heard the clarinet do vibrato.

I wish I could vibrato on the piano. :)

I wish I could vibrato on the piano. :)

You can, if you have a prepared piano, that is. =P

Lol, a "prepared piano" made me laugh. :lol:

Sounds interesting. I wonder if its anything like the vibes when the motor is running. Now that's cool sounding.

And by the way, if our band teacher didn't teach us how to vibrato on the clarinet, then he knows it's useless for the instrument. I've never heard a vibrato on a clarinet and have never seen one (played by) a clarinetist in ANY orchestra videos.

See: http://clarinet.cc/archives/000795.html .


Vibrato is used by clarinetists in the performance of solo and chamber music, and this use again varies from player to player and from piece to piece.

Yeah? Interesting, lol.

I just talked with my band instructor about Clarinet Vibrato... he said to only use it for solos... it has been a "tradition to only use it for solos" :bleh:. He also said that the Clarinet is only known for a dark tone (usually) and he feels that Vibrato is not meant for the Clarinet, but solos, you can use it.

I just talked with my band instructor about Clarinet Vibrato... he said to only use it for solos... it has been a "tradition to only use it for solos" :bleh:. He also said that the Clarinet is only known for a dark tone (usually) and he feels that Vibrato is not meant for the Clarinet, but solos, you can use it.

Rules are meant to be broken, thus you may use it for any pieces. :P Clarinet is not just meant for it's dark tone, it's specialty is also the homogeneous and dry upper register, also the famous subtones.

So . . how do we get a hold of a prepared piano? =D

Find a piano, stick nuts and bolts and whatnot into the strings, and boom, you have a prepared piano! =D

Now that's not promising that it will sound good.

:P

Now that's not promising that it will sound good.

:P

XD Indeed, but I heard that if you put marbles on the strings of the piano will create a 'bouncy' and 'ping-y' effect.

I only want the vibrato =(

Didn't John Cage put leaves in there? =/

Didn't John Cage put leaves in there? =/

He probably did. :lol:

He probably did.

Didn't he put pretty much anything that moved in the piano?

Lol, probably. ;)

Clarinet Players: How hard is Messager's "Solo de Concours" compared to Mozart's "Clarinet Concerto K. 622"?

So, I just went to Music Discovery Day at BGSU. So much to do to prepare for college. :_:

Ah... My music teacher asked me whether I wanted to join the symphonic band of my school... But I'm not sure whether I should because: 1) Oboes usually get the crappy 2nd flute doubling parts in bands 2) 1.5 hour of playing is going to kill my embouchure and time to practice since I already have normal band class, private lesson/exams/clinics my teacher signs me up for and orchestra 3) It's on MONDAYS! What do you people suggest? @_@

^1.5 hours isn't that bad... compare it to (once or twice) I practiced 6 hours straight... :heh: (Fingers were all red @_@)...

But, (as I used to play oboe), that flute doubling... .... I would not suggest it, actually...

^1.5 hours isn't that bad... compare it to (once or twice) I practiced 6 hours straight... :heh: (Fingers were all red @_@)...



For you clarinets that is, but when it comes to oboe (or bassoon), it's not easy to sustain your embouchure. :P

I'm a bassoonist. Although sometimes I'm quite lazy with my embouchure, when I'm correct, its not all that hard. I think that the smaller the reed/mouthpiece the harder it is to maintain. Bassoon reeds are quite larger than oboe reeds.

Haha true, but if you don't have the right embouchure (which includes the right moist level, temperature and etc..) and air, then you can't really last long on either instrument though. XP

I actually, wouldn't suggest joining the symphonic band, though... as an oboist...

The reason I quit Oboe was... I was bored of it. I played Oboe in a Small Concert Band, then quit :bleh: . I was the only oboeist there, and when I wasn't playing, no one noticed... ESPECIALLY that Bb Major Key Signature :bleh:... so hard to get used to...


EDIT: I finally got what I deserved in Band.. an individual playing test, finally ^_^ . The other playing tests were too easy for me....

Now just to start on actually playing the Allegro movement of Mozart's Clarinet Concerto (in A, K. 622) perfectly... :heh: I've only been playing for 4 years, no private music teachers :bleh: .

I actually, wouldn't suggest joining the symphonic band, though... as an oboist...

The reason I quit Oboe was... I was bored of it. I played Oboe in a Small Concert Band, then quit :bleh: . I was the only oboeist there, and when I wasn't playing, no one noticed... ESPECIALLY that Bb Major Key Signature :bleh:... so hard to get used to...


.

How can you be bored of B flat major? :o It's like one of the most annoying key to play! Therefore, how can you be bored? But Symphonic Band is different from concert band though. :P After all, it's 'symphonic' for a reason (meaning we're gonna play in sharps! w00t!!). But still, has anyone here played in a symphonic band or ensembles equivalent to it (excluding concert/normal school bands, since they're quite... different)?

That wasn't the reason I was bored... Oboe just got boring. The Bb Major Key thing... well, that's one reason I quit ;) .

:torch:
That wasn't the reason I was bored... Oboe just got boring. The Bb Major Key thing... well, that's one reason I quit ;) .

:torch: *Whacks Clarinetist for calling oboe boring* :P

~~~

Oh well, change of topic... Well, I have this 'Songwriters' Club' at my school, and I went to have a look today, and it turned out to be a modern music club thingy, but the president said it was for any music... But since I'm the only, perhaps, classicist (not as in classical classical, but you get what I mean :heh: ), it's kind of... um... Boring maybe? But yeah... I wished it was a more 'composer' club rather than songwriters... :\ It's kind of disappointing though... Lol.

My band teacher WAS considering a "Composers Club" this year, but couldn't... no one was interested...

(except me :heh: )...

Ya know what? I got C major. That's right....key signatures can die...

There's a new movie coming out, called "Copying Beethoven". Seems interesting, however, the trailer gave away the whole story! The ending of the trailer, where Beethoven performs his symphony, is very similar to another movie, "Beethoven Lives Upstairs." What do you guys think?

I've never seen Beethoven Lives Upstairs or at least the whole thing. It sounds interesting, but there are some other movies I've got to see first like Beethoven Lives Upstairs.

Has anyone seen the musical My Dream? Its not really a musical in the idea that there isnt a plot to it, but its wonderful. Every single person in it is disabled mentaly or physicly, and they are really famous [the conductor is what I believe is a child with downs syndrom. He conducted at places like Carangie Hall].

You should all try to watch it.

Does a piano solo exist for Aquarium from Carnical of the Animal?

I'm sure there's thousands of arrangement for piano of Saint-Saen's Carnival of Animals out there. ._. I've played one before.

I tried looking everywhere for one and I come up with ones for the almost non-exsistant Glass Harmonica....

Ah... Who doesn't like the armonica (glass harmonica)? :P It's one of my favourite instrument... But anyways, try www.sibeliusmusic.com, I'm sure there's tons of Saint-Saen's arrangements. ._.

My first piano ensemble tomorrow [playing Brahms]. Wish me luck : D

good luck :D

have much fun- thats the main thing

Wow, I was nervous. I was jammed into the time slot with the little kids which brought my ego down a bunch, but... but nothing, I feel bad now.

Messed up a little bit in the first passage and fixed it second time through. Yay.

How many of us have mp3 players/iPods?

I don't. I'd rather listen to the music in my head when I'm outside, haha.

I don't either.

I own an iPod, but I hardly use it... I only use it when I presume something boring is going to happen (eg: school dances, or anything that involves a lot of waiting).

i dont have one

although im seriously considering asking for one for xmas so i dont have to listen to all the chavvy music at 8 in the morning when im travelling to college

x_x

I'm getting a new cell soon, so I'll stuff in my music in that :)

I have an MP3 (or something like one, at least) but no IPod. I never had a burning desire to own one. I always heard that they're horrible, anyway.

I have a 60gb ipod although I'll never be able to use up all that space. :sweat: I don't think the ipod is horrible though. Just that the battery life sucks. x_x

I have one, but like most people, I just listen to the music in my head. :heh:

I have a 60gb ipod although I'll never be able to use up all that space. :sweat: I don't think the ipod is horrible though. Just that the battery life sucks. x_x

Yeah, I wish the battery life lasted longer. I have a 30GB Video and the battery last for about one two hour movie or 8 hours of music. I heard that the new models though will last for 24 hours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8d0P6zd1Hs
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=coffeetea

Darn... ego went down even more

Let's rid the world of those that are better than us. :hunter: Some call it jealousy, I call it fun.
Too good....I demand lessons again!

For that kid that played that demanding etude, I'd give him a 5/10. No emotion, and absolutely no dynamics. Yes, he's got good finger work and is a definite playing prodigy for sure, but he is no true musician. I've heard so many different interpretations and went along with sheet music--although I havent' had the time to sit down and learn his etudes yet.

This kid is good, but I hope he will develop some emotion in his playing. Anyone who analyzes Chopin knows that he is the true romantic; expression and emotion is what makes Chopin, Chopin.

Hope to see mroe from him, good find.

I'm with Mazeppa on this one. The kid is good, but it just needs more emotion into it. I feel kinda dorky saying this but its true. My teacher says that (under most circumstances) the best practice is the practice you put your heart into, no matter the speed. Obviously, if you're working on mechanics like scales, that's a bit more difficult. :)

So comes a big question about learning music: at a young age, which is more important, technique or dynamic? luckily my teacher stresses both every time I play a song for her, even on scales she tells me to crescendo and diminuendo.

Its def difficult to teach a young child to show emotions through music because its just a child. But you do have to give the kid credit on playing such a piece nearly flawlessly.

Well I kinda stress on relating dynamics and expression. Sure, they're very alike (because they are) but also expression has to do with rit. tonality etc. etc. It's also how you interpret parts and entire pieces; do you want them triumphant, gloomy, seductive etc. agn.

Now, I didn't start with technique, but I am starting to form a better one as I practice scales and simplistic etudes for positioning.

So comes a big question about learning music: at a young age, which is more important, technique or dynamic? luckily my teacher stresses both every time I play a song for her, even on scales she tells me to crescendo and diminuendo.

Its def difficult to teach a young child to show emotions through music because its just a child. But you do have to give the kid credit on playing such a piece nearly flawlessly.

I think dynamics is a part of technique?

The most important thing is to start thinking in longer phrases as you get more proficiant in your instrument. At first your usually focused on getting each note right, but once you have that down you can start to think about how the entire measure should be played, and then about how the line should be played.

I disagree with each measure, it's each moment and phrase line.

I didn't mean that you should phrase the music measure by measure, I meant that while you're playing you should be looking ahead further and further as you get better at your instrument. So instead of reading note by note, you should start to read entire measures, than entire phrasings.

Well, that's actually a sight reading exercise, not intentionally for an instrument, but it can be involved with getting better at a certain instrument's music reading. @_@

I think dynamics is a part of technique?

Sorry, wrong word. I meant expression :hehe:

You can't tackle expression if you have bad technique. Think about it: no matter how much emotion you put into it, if you play the bad notes, it sounds horrible. But if you play the right notes without the emotion, it still sounds passable. Therefore, technique is the foundation.

I am so proud of my self. When I was with my instructor I was playing through a Bach peice that had this long as run and I ran through it fast, seamlessly and ever so gently [though it took me like 3 tries, lol]. Fastest run that was complete I had ever done.

Hey (for real) congrats. :heh:

Now, whore practicing it so it's always good.

A good younger player can be a technical machine. he plays the fast runs perfectly, but the slower sections are the ones that sound mediocre.

So to me, practicing is both improving technique and becoming an artist, no?

Well yeah. But also becoming an artist and unlocking the different stages of expression and the criticallness of the ear.

My ear level is pretty high, and so is my expression--it's just my playing that needs the catching up. ;)

at a young age, which is more important, technique or dynamic

Besides, I don't usually hear of people who perform musically before learning technical basics...

But anyways, Radical_Dreamer, you have a good teacher!!!

Well hofodom01, if you heard me when I started playing piano, I had more expression than any technique. And I still do.

So you played with musical emotion and conviction before being able to play a scale was? 0.o

Probably Mozart might have done that ~_^

I understand some of what you're saying, the "instrument gets in the way of music" idea...

Yeah, in a way I'm saying that.

Now I'm trying to teach myself how to play like a robot though--getting all the right notes and everything to a crisp in playing, as well as sight reading better.

Ya'll can say I'm working backwards in terms of my piano life.

Hey (for real) congrats. :heh:

Now, whore practicing it so it's always good.

lol, thanks. I have been whore practicing O_O

Oh god, my teacher is very good. Shes in a group of instructors called the OTMA, and all of them have to get a degree in [at least] music theory. She was like three years away from being a Ph.D, too.

I've been practicing like a whore on speed in the past month or two. Trying to catch up with all the time I've goofed around, all the people that have exceeded me and most of all, THORN AND THE DANG FANGLED MAZE.

EDIT: Evgeny Kissin looks just like this kid who takes lessons from the OTMA and is in my grade. lol

I was taught by a small elite piano academy when I was young. They were in the newspapers once and if you didn't improve at a good pace, you got kicked out. Lessons were really expensive.

What they taught me was technique and combined it with expression. I had to do all the swaying stuff when I was 9. My teacher told me to crescendo up a scale like RD's does and diminuendo on the way down to get equal sound in the scale but it has to be very subtle. Scales are more technique orientated though.

You can't express properly without the technique. I think technique is important at a young age because its the basics. Expression is the more advanced method when you can combine it with technique.

Al is basically right.

Radical_Dreamer...OMTA...the Ohio one?

I'm into classical now! (not that shitty bach and betthoven stuff)

You sir, are a cad.

:)

Free Mozart scores are available online! =D

I heard! 'Tis awesome!

Radical_Dreamer...OMTA...the Ohio one?

Oregon.

I have a question; people speak of levels 1 -8 and many people understand what they are talking about almost universally. Who are giving those levels and where?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo

Skill!

That makes me want to write some songs featuring a drum beat pattern and piano.

Look for one by me sometime whenever. :heh:

Nice find BTW--Twas sexy.

Watch the whole thing, this man is a great comedian :) "I hate Canon in D with a passion!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

Wow--That is so true. Lol. Great find.

I don't really hate Canon in D, though it's starting to annoy me now, but some people are just too into the song now because of Jerry C's version. I played Canon at my school's concert but playing my own arrangement...with two other friends on guitar.

Great video! I also find the piece incredibly annoying. What annoys me the most is when people don't realize that there are OTHER better pieces that they can listen to!

Guys.

I'm starting to make an independent techno album for a side-side project.

Hah!

I must say, Pachelbel's Canon in D must be the only time where I think the rock remix is better than the original. It really is overrated if you ask me.

Guys.

I'm starting to make an independent techno album for a side-side project.

Hah!

I've made a few techno tracks, and believe me, you get sick of it before you even complete half an album.

Yeah I could see some feelings of WTF, GAY after a while--especially when you compose different styles and appreciate other msuci types too.

Heh, my piano teacher heard some of my themes I've been coming up with after a Liszt-Inspired Rhapsody improv. today after lessons.

He's kinda enocuraged me to work on a concerto. :heh:

meh, some short trance tracks are good for the soul once in a while...

That's true.

Indeed. (http://www.crumble-onuts.com/music/Gigigi!.mp3)

Good trance tracks are good for the soul once in a while.

Good 20th century (by that, I mean atonal, avant-garde, and etc...) music are good for the soul once in a while. :P

Well, classical can also achieve the same effect. Provided you take large doses of LSD beforehand.

I don't know if I even want to try that.

this has been nagging at the back of my head for ages!
in cowboy bebop, when the old airplanes start releasing the vaccine for the nano machines, what's the song called and the artist thats playing?

ITS KILLING ME lol....
sorry....i think im scaring people now.....

I just got Room Noises from a friend :D

Congrats?

I guess. Its a great album [maybe I should have stated that in the first place...]

Double post

So who are the great pianist? I know theres Horowitz and Martha Argeritch, but who else?

Evgeny Kissin, and Rachmaninoff himself. (I've got a CD of his piano roll-recordings)

Evgeny is pure genius.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DDOgYw5-pNs&mode=related&search=

Take Five :drool:

Oh Damnit! That's a rythum I've been working on in my recent jazz improvs.

Oh well, comping in jazz is copied from people in past years anyway.. :heh:

@ RD - Thanks for posting that, good song. :heh:

I like Brubeck slightly. My piano teacher thinks I love him though >_< The drum solo in it reminds me of a cookie ad on tv too....

there also this by Brubeck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJzr8_4P5PM&mode=related&search=

Can someone tell me if this is playable?

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... I have doubts that it's even playable. Is there anything I can change on it? (It's an arrangement I made).

Doesn't look too bad, certainly playable, unless there's some sort of key problem. Have you tried playing it yourself?

I'm not that well on piano :heh: . I was concerned with meas. 7-12. (when the half notes come in)

Oh, that. Well, if that voicing is imperative, you can probably make do with a left hand crossover, at the sacrifice of one or two of the bass notes.

That's playable, it's all about making that chord, then stretching your thumb to the 16th notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPG-LYoW27E Cool musical instrument.

That is sweet. I want one!

So, I just listened to a hecklephone and wow. That thing is great.

Yay for heckelphones and bass oboes! :D

slightly over ratted song but its still cool to hear it like this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rLnZ5jcsRpc

Not overrated, just overplayed. This version kicks ass though.

Yeah, possibly the only Nubuo Uetmasu (sp?) (ehh, w/e) song that I enjoy. :heh:

I'm with Noir. Although this isn't one of my favorite songs by him.

Unfortunately, I don't really like To Zanarkland. :P But I really liked that flute/oboe doubling, even though I find it quite a major taboo in orchestration. Meh, I don't really like Uematsu's music much anyways...

=( =( =( =( How can one not be a fan of Uetmatsu? :P

Look at Dot's caption,

"Being Different"

*cough* :)

=( =( =( =( How can one not be a fan of Uetmatsu? :P

You can't. Hes perfect.

Perfect.

Yes, wrong choice of word. Its a good song. Overplayed.