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deathraider
August 14th, 2005, 02:38 am
I'm really sorry if the moderators don't like this, but...I kinda don't wanna keep writing on the old thread because I got in a REALLY pointless fight with one of the other members about my music and his (it was all my fault too...I'm not sure what I was thinking). I'm reposting my music, and once again, if you could just put what images they spawn in your minds.
Edit: Changed JTF to my new song, Mezzanotte Passeggia Cielo

gedtag
August 14th, 2005, 03:16 am
Haha, I've said something about these before! Nice work on your compositions.

Noir7
August 14th, 2005, 07:18 am
once again, if you could just put what images they spawn in your minds.
To be honest, none of these put any kind of pictures in my head. What *is* destroyed water? :hey:

KakumeiLight
August 14th, 2005, 08:41 pm
Coolbeat

One thing that jumps at me is the running 8th notes in the bass line. It seemed monotonus and a little variation would have been nice. Towards the end, you did a good job of breaking the monotony, but I really didn't like the abruptly ended run, I would have liked to seen the piece to be loopable or expanded to see a more definative end.

For Imagery-I see a path, and a lot of wind. The character's (I see a male) hair is blowing as he walks into the strong wind, all that can be seen are plains. Towards the end, the road ends as many random objects fly by and he wakes up from his dream.

Destryed Water

Not sure about the title, but you can always change that =)

I like the sound, it brings a very smooth, relaxing and legato feel to the piece. The piece doesn't feel complete though, and the harmony seems to drown the melody, which I couldn't quite make out. I'm not sure if this piece was to be looped, but it seems like you could easily loop it.

For Imagery- I see a ruins-like area with a prominant temple made of rough stone in a pyramid form and running water, lots of water, as if they worship it. The people around it and in it seem very tranquil and at peace; meditation seems like the form of prayer to these people.

JTF

I'm sorry if I sound too critical, but the piece sounds more like a fancy finger excersise for piano rather than a piece. I didn't find too much in structure to the piece, it seemed jumbled. Once again, I'm sorry that I didn't like this piece at all.

For Imagery- I imagine the sheet music to the song, hating my teacher for giving me another exercise instead a new piece.

Mystery

I really, really love the melody! This one was definately my favorite.

One thing I didn't like were some of the transitions. There were times where the piece kind of just...cut off. Otherwise, I enjoyed the layers of music that this piece seemed to thrive on.

For Imagery- I see a gothic style mansion, covered in thick layers of fog, and our character is in a cellar, stuck and trying to get out. We see him scanning the shelves for something to help him, only seeing various alchemic items. Our character is worried. In his mind, he feels that he is doomed.

Sad

This piece was nice, but was dull in comparison to Mystery. The melody was again, nice, but forgettable. I see this piece as very expandable, and I think you could have a large cresendo into an orchestra at around 1:21 (The piano sets up the melody for the orchestra.) By putting a little variation into the melody, (not too much, not like JTF) I think you can really make the piece memorable. (Just realized that Dawnstorm hit the nail on the head when I looked at your old thread to check to see if you had any other pieces for critique)

For imagery- I don't see sadness in this piece, I see tranquility, a large lake in this case. You could change this into a lake in the center of a vast canyon if you add an orchestral part.

Butros-Butros

Interesting title, what does it mean?

I thought the piece ok, but it lacked any incredible flavor. I was just nice, though the melody was stuck in my head. I also didn't like the chord progression to the ending.

For Imagery- I see a character in their room doing ordinary things like reading or cleaning up.

I hope that I've been helpful to you.

deathraider
August 14th, 2005, 11:29 pm
Yup, that's exactly what I wanted. I understand on JTF, since it was one of my original pieces. I didn't have a lot of melody perception. I guess I still don't, always. I understand that coolbeat did get a little monotonus...I'll try to spruce it up a little while I'm finishing it (I posted it without finishing it, so sorry about that) I agree with you about expanding the melody on "Sad," and I also promise that these aren't the final names for any of the songs. On mystery, do you think you could tell me approximately where I should smooth the transitions?

KakumeiLight
August 15th, 2005, 12:10 am
Sure!

I was going to say connect all gaps when I was writing earlier, but that might take away from the phrasing. Try it in various gaps and see what you think.

But, let me mention one thing.

1:08-Here you start a series of echoes of the melody with different sounds. Remove one of them, as the main theme is too short to repeated so many times in a row. (I personally would take the one at 1:32, it brings the building line down when everything is building to the part at 1:39. At 1:44, keep that energy coming by making that echo just as loud, so that when you hit 1:52, the phrase can conclude itself.)

This a great ambience theme, you may want to make it loopable.

Again, I'm a newbie, so it might all be fine the way it is to some :)

deathraider
August 15th, 2005, 03:18 am
Huh...I think I fixed everything except the last part...do you think it would work as well if I instead made the part before that quieter? I'm not QUITE sure the best way to make it repeatable, either. Oh, and I was going to put in my last thing this:
Mystery: finished, non-repeating (yet)
Butros-Butros: finished
Coolbeat: Not finished, dunno if it will repeat
Sad: Was finished, now adding orchestration
Destroyed water: finished, repeating
JTF: Finished, but I may take this one off, because not many people enjoy this one

deathraider
August 18th, 2005, 06:56 am
This thread is having and epileptic seizure!!! Won't someone get it a spoon...uh I mean will someone post and tell me if the new version is better?

deathraider
August 18th, 2005, 09:25 am
Here is my CMA entry and Butros-Butros (the name is the nickname of the baby for who it was written as a lullaby)
Edit: I also put on the MP3 version that was converted for me by Klonoa...unfortunately, I cannot post it on the CMA thread, as it is already closed...I hope some people come here and listen to THIS.

deathraider
August 18th, 2005, 06:16 pm
I just put on a new version with not so many "squigly line thingies" in the words of my friend...which one is better?
Edit: MP3 is unedited, and MID is edited.

grim_nemesis
August 19th, 2005, 12:11 am
I think Butros-Butros is an alright song but I think it is a little unsophisticated. :hey: I also like your Italian song, and I think it has a pretty good melody. What does the name mean?

Klonoa
August 19th, 2005, 04:49 am
Butros-Butros-This one was a nice little piece the bottom and top hand maybe could have been enhanced. overall It was nice.

Mezzanotte Passeggia Cielo- I think this is definately one of your better ones and one of my favorates. good left hand, melody and little the little chord rolls.
One more little thing its better for you just to stay with this thread for your music.

good job

deathraider
August 19th, 2005, 04:52 am
Yeah, I noticed how everyone gets annoyed when I post new threads, so I won't do that anymore. Thanks for the compliments! Oh, and it means something like Midnight Stroll through the Clouds (very roughly)

deathraider
September 3rd, 2005, 08:22 pm
Okay! Here are the LIVE versions of two of my favorites! I LOVE my piano!!!

Klonoa
September 3rd, 2005, 08:32 pm
Although the quality is a bit low, real nice piano playing. :)
Seventh dark is a nice little piece(just a bit repetive in some parts, but you threw in some nice variety) is that your own or just a favorate song of yours?
Nice job

deathraider
September 3rd, 2005, 09:00 pm
It's mine. I'm suprised you didn't recognize it, but it is just Mystery with a better name. Sorry about the crappy sound quality, I just don't have the best of recording equipment. Strange background sound, too, huh? Oh well, thanks. What variety speakest thou of?

Klonoa
September 3rd, 2005, 09:20 pm
It's mine. I'm suprised you didn't recognize it, but it is just Myster with a better name. Sorry about the crappy sound quality, I just don't have the best of recording equipment. Strange background sound, too, huh? Oh well, thanks. What variety speakest thou of?
Well Like variety in the melody I think.
I havent heard mystery in a while is probably why. :heh: sry
I like it in piano better. :)
Again Nice job

deathraider
September 3rd, 2005, 09:47 pm
Yeah...I probably do too. What about MPC, though, does it sound better live or just the MP3 that you made me?

Klonoa
September 3rd, 2005, 11:26 pm
Yeah...I probably do too. What about MPC, though, does it sound better live or just the MP3 that you made me?
Well both for different reasons. Your live performance well because its live and you can hear more emotion :) , but the in the background you hear that fuzziness. I wonder if there's any audio program to improve that fuzziness?

deathraider
September 6th, 2005, 03:54 am
Is THIS any better?

Klonoa
September 6th, 2005, 03:55 am
Ya kinda it seems somewhat clearer. :)

deathraider
September 6th, 2005, 03:56 am
Good. I hope so. Why does it seem like no one but you will post on my thread anymore?

Klonoa
September 6th, 2005, 03:58 am
Maybe you just need some new stuff.
Cause some people already critiqued them. :heh:

deathraider
September 6th, 2005, 03:59 am
Well...that could be difficult seeing that I can't get my composition program to start up at all lately...

Marlon
September 6th, 2005, 08:53 pm
I liked that song. Very relaxing and soothing. ^_^

deathraider
September 10th, 2005, 04:21 am
Yay! I got my composition program running again! Here's an old song of mine (not posted) that I just fixed up. I wanted some input on it before I finish it. Anyone got anything?

Marlon
September 11th, 2005, 12:31 am
I didn't like it very much. :heh:

Mr. Poo-Poo, my friend, thinks "it was good for what you tried to achieve with the song, if you tried to achieve anything at all."

But he's crazy. XD

deathraider
September 11th, 2005, 02:17 am
Oh............

Klonoa
September 11th, 2005, 02:48 am
I kinda liked it, it reminded me of walking in a church or something. :)

Marlon
September 11th, 2005, 03:33 am
Don't listen to Mr. Poo-Poo, though. And yeah, he's not made-up, just in case you thought he was. :heh:

deathraider
September 23rd, 2005, 10:24 pm
I just wrote this song, actually ON the piano, for once! It's simple, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to notate it as I did, but I like it. It's also a bit slow, and it could very easily be added upon.

yellowmonkey121
September 24th, 2005, 08:18 am
It was ok for me. It had some decent dissonances that gave a little bit of uniqueness in the piece. As you mentioned earlier... it does feel little bit slow. But I'm very happy for you that you composed it with a piano. I think I'm gonna try that.

Marlon
September 24th, 2005, 04:57 pm
It was good. Although I almost fell asleep, it was still enjoyable. :P

deathraider
September 24th, 2005, 05:21 pm
Do you think it would still be good if I sped up the tempo, then?

yellowmonkey121
September 24th, 2005, 05:58 pm
not necessarily. I think what you should is put more notes. or add another instrument.

deathraider
September 24th, 2005, 06:00 pm
I'm not EXACTLY sure how to do that...since I recorded it off of the piano.

Klonoa
September 27th, 2005, 02:27 am
This was a pretty decent enjoyable song. It was a bit slow and sometimes slighty dragging, but its a sad song so its not that big of a deal. Also around 1:40 there were some odd chords that I didnt really favor, but overall good job. :)

deathraider
September 30th, 2005, 04:23 pm
Thanks for the conversion, Klonoa! I'll try to fix it up when I have time.

deathraider
October 1st, 2005, 06:30 am
I have a question. I recorded someones song, and I thought that it deserves to be heard in it's more natural form. The problem is that they haven't ever posted a thread for me to put it on. Would it be appropriate for me to post it here?

Noir7
October 1st, 2005, 01:43 pm
There is a thread in the Music forum where you upload your recordings.

http://forums.ichigos.com/showthread.php?t=4740

deathraider
October 1st, 2005, 04:10 pm
Oh, ok. I didn't think of that!

deathraider
October 4th, 2005, 01:53 am
Okay, I've had sheet music requests for Mezzanotte Passeggia Cielo, so here you go.

Marlon
October 4th, 2005, 02:02 am
Goodie! :lol:

GlurG
October 4th, 2005, 07:46 pm
Thanx :)

deathraider
November 24th, 2005, 05:49 am
I need help...I can't find anything that I'm really truly passionate about, but I feel a huge urge to compose something, and work really hard on it until it's really good, which I know I CAN'T do unless I compose about something for which I have passion! I don't know if it's just mental, but is there anything anyone can do to help me out or help me think of something that I can write about?

Marlon
December 4th, 2005, 12:38 am
Well, you can think of the most over-powering emotion you have ever had (i.e. love, hate, sadness), and then think about an experience where that emotion kicked in at its fullest extent.

Then make a song that let's it all out. Chances are, you're going to have to compose it with more heart than brain. ;)

theviolinist
December 7th, 2005, 12:34 am
Wow Mezzanotte Passeggia is really beautiful. It makes me wish I could play piano. ohh well.

deathraider
December 7th, 2005, 07:08 pm
Thank you!

deathraider
December 11th, 2005, 07:17 am
Destroyed_Water.wav (http://d23.yousendit.com/F/2M85BPMD4V17T0BYIM16ZVQQ87/Destroyed%20Water.wav)

This is me playing "Destroyed Water." BTW, if you have a better idea for the name, PLEASE post it, because I can't think of anything. Oh, and this time it isn't my disclavier playing, it actually is 100% me.

deathraider
December 11th, 2005, 07:09 pm
Sorry, that old link didn't work, so try this one. Sorry for double posting.
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2M85BPMD4V17T0BYIM16ZVQQ87

deathraider
December 16th, 2005, 12:43 am
I need some help with coming up with a bridge between verses for this song and was wondering if anyone can help me? I know no one likes to reply to this thread anymore for some reason...but please help me. It's a piano arrangement of the British "I Saw Three Ships." Anyone has permission to play around with it if you so desire. You could just create a melody line for it or put harmony, either way.

One_Winged
December 16th, 2005, 01:32 am
I dont have a bridge for you but I do have a name for the song "Disrupted Water(s)"

deathraider
December 16th, 2005, 01:36 am
Disrupted Waters? That's your name?

One_Winged
December 16th, 2005, 01:40 am
I guessed you wanted something similar to Destroyed water

deathraider
December 16th, 2005, 01:41 am
Oh, ok. I don't care if it's similar at all, but if that's what you think...the only reason I named it what I named it is because it was a summary for the place in the story where I wanted to insert that song (in my game). I don't think I ever really wanted to use that name, though.

One_Winged
December 16th, 2005, 01:48 am
"Ashes"... thats a good name for this song me thinks, I think it sounds kind of sad. there are many ways to interpret that name. When I listen to the song I see either someone spreading the ashes of a relative or someone standing on a hill looking down upon his/her burnt village....

great playing (piano)!!!!

deathraider
December 16th, 2005, 02:05 am
Heh...I disagree about the playing, but thanks for the compliment anyway. Here, no one helped me, so I went ahead and borrowed a chord progression from Good King Wenceslos (or however you spell it). I thought it was quite appropriate. I'm not done, but here's what I have so far. Once again, you're welcome to play around with it, or add to it.

Shizeet
December 16th, 2005, 06:25 am
Well, I tried to make it flow somewhat better - the main thing I think was just to add a little break before starting the "solo" verse, and making it gradually build up. I've also added some extra flourishes here and there (like an extended intro, though you easily get rid those 8 bars and still make it work). I've also corrected some harmonies, just to make it more consistent with the rest, and some other minor changes to better suit my taste. Hopefully, you can work with this.

deathraider
December 16th, 2005, 03:08 pm
Oooo...cool! Thank you. You didn't use the new version though. What happened to the repeat with added parts in the right hand, BTW? Did you not like it?

Marlon
December 18th, 2005, 05:15 pm
:mellow: That new song seemed so unlike you... :mellow:

But it was good! ^_^

Shizeet
December 18th, 2005, 09:37 pm
Oooo...cool! Thank you. You didn't use the new version though. What happened to the repeat with added parts in the right hand, BTW? Did you not like it?

Well, it was just to give a general idea of how to start. I didn't use the longer version because 1.) The first version has the pedal parts for the first part , 2.) The transition to the "new" section doesn't modulate naturally, I'd probably change it significantly for such to happen, and 3.) I didn't want to force my version on to yours too much, and the whole idea was just to give you a general idea on how to go about.

Milchh
December 18th, 2005, 11:04 pm
Sounded sailor like. Nice job.

deathraider
December 18th, 2005, 11:32 pm
Shizeet: OK, I don't want to offend you, but I think it was good of you not to interfere too much, because I don't feel like your changes
incorporated very well into my style. The other issue is that you didn't help me with the problem that I was having, which is the problem with my bridge between verses. That seemed to be the part that you didn't like. What would you suggest to do to make that transistion better?

Thank you for the compliment Maestro! I'm glad you liked it.

Marlon ^.^ It's funny that you don't think that it's my style...I admit it is quite different. So was Mezzanotte Passeggia Cielo when I wrote it. I'm trying to expand my musical horizon! :shifty:

It saddens me, however, that so few of you have ever heard this Christmas Carol before! I'll post the lyrics in a little while so you can see:

It's a carol heard in similar versions all over the British Isles after the Middle Ages, one that's story is confusing. It tells of three ships which sailed into Bethlehem on Christmas Morning to see the Christ child. Since Bethlehem is in the middle of the desert, this isn't really possible. However, several origins have been speculated. one is that the British Islanders were ignorant to the fact that Bethlehem isn't near water (after all, they didn't really have the Bible to read for themselves because of the Catholic Church), and that they believed it to be on the shore of the Black Sea. Another speculation is that it may be purely symoblic. No one really knows for sure what these three ships would signify, but there are many guesses.

Also, I put in a new version of the song with some added 'goodies.'

http://forums.ichigos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=962&d=1134954756

deathraider
December 20th, 2005, 05:38 am
I saw three ships come sailing in
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
I saw three ships come sailing in
On Christmas day in the morning.

And what was in those ships all three,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day?
And what was in those ships all three,
On Christmas day in the morning?

Our Savior Christ and His lady,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
Our Savior Christ and His lady,
On Christmas day in the morning.

Pray whither sailed those ships all three,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day?
Pray whither sailed those ships all three,
On Christmas day in the morning?

O they sailed into Bethlehem,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day,
O they sailed into Bethlehem,
On Christmas day in the morning.

And all the bells on earth shall ring,
On Christmas day, on Christmas day;
Then let us all rejoice amain,
On Christmas day in the morning.

deathraider
December 26th, 2005, 03:49 am
Here's the HUGELY improved sheet music of Mezzanotte Passeggia Cielo made in Finale 2006, which I got for Christmas :eat:!
Edit: I put in the enharmonic key so that, if you find playing in flats any easier, you could do that, and have it sound exactly the same. I also added the sheet music to "Cold Reflections," as I have decided to call "destroyed water."

deathraider
December 31st, 2005, 03:15 am
OK...well since everyone was SO excited about THAT, here's an actual new song.

Milchh
December 31st, 2005, 06:00 pm
Hmm... I didn't (overall) very much like the piece. I like how you kind of kept the same concept of notes throughout the piece, but didn't end very well.

You had those ritards at the end of some phrases. I think you really over did it on the drift of the ritards. I know slowing down at the end of some things creates emotion, but almost literally making the tempo going (Eg. 130 ---> 60) just doesn't sound to right.

When the strings or arrangent came in twoards the end, you didn't even hear the melody. I heard just some of the notes, but the "backup no chords" really over powered the melody. I didn't know if this was on purpose, just seemed odd to me if it was.

Then ending didn't work to well for me. Kind of just "stopped" in the middle; something unfinished maybe? Or did you want it to end like that? Well anyway, this was my post.

Marlon
December 31st, 2005, 06:07 pm
Didn't like the ritards too much, but the song kept me entertained. Sounded kinda like BG Music. :)

EDIT: Was the end supposed to be the ending, by any chance? :huh:

deathraider
December 31st, 2005, 08:18 pm
Yeah, sorry, I guess I shouldn't have posted this yet, because I still have a bit left to compose, but I always like to bounce my partial songs off of other people's heads to see if they enjoy it. It doesn't have an ending. I'll try to fix the ritards, but I don't think I can take them out completely. I attempted to fix the sound level problem with the melody. Also, the midi probably sounds better, really, so listen to it

Marlon
December 31st, 2005, 09:45 pm
The midi does sound better. :think:

deathraider
January 2nd, 2006, 07:33 am
Okay, here's the deal: This is a finished version, despite the cliffhanger ending. The problem is that I tried to put a "winding" noise in for the music box, but it sounds kinda crappy. I think I'm going to try recording my own sound effect because this was the best one I could find. I would like to know, however, what everyone thinks of the overall musical quality of the song, and of how I could better incorporate the winding noise.

deathraider
January 3rd, 2006, 03:51 am
Okay. THIS is the final version of the song (unless I get comments that give me good advice about things to change). I recorded my own winding sound, and put it in. The only thing is that I don't know about the second one...so just listen and comment, dang it!

Marlon
January 3rd, 2006, 09:00 pm
I think the music started too much after the winding. Usually, the music starts playing as soon as you let go of the... "winder" thing. :heh:

Also, the ending still left me like: What the hell? You call that an ending?

Milchh
January 4th, 2006, 01:47 am
Yea, the winding kind of dragged a bit much, but I didn't really care. Mainly, it was just an effect, not music.

I think it turned out ok. I really thought it should of ended at 1:40 or so. Then it winded again, and did a nice little ritardando. Which was nice, but I think it should of ended with the symphonic chord.

One_Winged
January 10th, 2006, 07:33 pm
I just have to say... loved the song.... loose the music-box in the end...
ok, ok it is the final version... but please get rid of that ending...:cry: please...

deathraider
January 11th, 2006, 12:28 am
OKAY!!!x_x Try this.

Marlon
January 13th, 2006, 09:04 pm
Better, me thinks. :P

deathraider
January 18th, 2006, 05:24 am
I'm not sure at all if this is an appropriate name for this song, but you can tell me. This is my first song that I have completely composed on Finale, so tell me what you think. It's just a piano solo. Sorry if the ending is too weird, I might fix it if everyone hates it.

Marlon
January 18th, 2006, 08:53 pm
I love the melody with its little flourishes, ya know? Too many block chords, in my opinion, though... :unsure: Ooh, at 0:56, it's great.

Sounds very classical-ish, kinda what you'd find on one of them peaceful piano CDs. XD

deathraider
January 20th, 2006, 03:07 am
Hmmm...well I wanted some more comments than that. I went ahead and fixed the ending, among a couple other things, so tell me what you think, please.

Maestrosetti
January 20th, 2006, 07:42 pm
Sheesh, okay. I liked it quite a bit. The beginning sort of reminded me of Beethoven's Fifth Piano Concerto, and some parts were almost...seaworthy. To me, anyway. Very relaxing and it gives an overall feel that says to me that you really know what you're doing.

deathraider
January 23rd, 2006, 03:48 am
Well, this forum isn't what I would call booming...;) I'm so vain that I wrote myself a FANFARE! It's short, but I like it. There are a couple problems with not values that I couldn't figure out how to fix, so besides that, tell me what you think is good or what I could do better on.

BlazingDragon
January 23rd, 2006, 12:18 pm
I'm loving Mezzanotte Passaggia Cielo, it is one of you're better works in my opinnion. It has a very good melody, and I like some of the chord you implemented. The only gripe I have is that the recording quality was low on the wav version, but that's not a big deal. Good playing nonetheless, and great job. :)

Shizeet
January 25th, 2006, 07:11 am
Hmm, the fanfare sounds kind of weak, especially the brass parts, and the clarinet sustaining trailing at the end sounds kind of weird. You might just want to cut out the strings (and even woodwinds) altogether and utilize a full brass section, and maybe some percussion for effect.

deathraider
January 26th, 2006, 02:12 am
The trill is just strings, so I'm not sure what you're talking about on that. I'm not sure I like the idea of taking out the strings, though. Is there anything I could do instead?

Edit: Oops...I misread that. Sorry.

deathraider
January 26th, 2006, 05:41 am
This is the first out of 2 Periods that I have to write for piano.

Alfonso de Sabio
January 26th, 2006, 02:37 pm
I think your strength in this piece is in your accompaniment. The melody is a little too lose to follow or really sink into. That's potentially a problem since this piece is too short to really flaunt any rhythmic or harmonic devices you're developing. I think it would definitely benefit from length or a more juicy melody.

deathraider
January 26th, 2006, 06:59 pm
I can't lengthen it, though, because it's a period, so it has to be 8 measures. It's for an assignment for my piano teacher. However, I would be very happy if you could tell/show me how to improve on the melody or whatnot.

Marlon
January 27th, 2006, 10:16 pm
I don't know about that Period 1 thing... :unsure:

deathraider
January 28th, 2006, 01:44 am
In what way??

Marlon
January 29th, 2006, 02:45 am
I don't know, it sounds kinda random at some parts. :\

Alfonso de Sabio
February 6th, 2006, 01:49 am
That sounds a little long for eight measures.

deathraider
February 6th, 2006, 01:50 am
And yet it isn't!

Alfonso de Sabio
February 13th, 2006, 05:01 am
I can't lengthen it, though, because it's a period, so it has to be 8 measures. It's for an assignment for my piano teacher.

Right....

deathraider
February 13th, 2006, 07:00 pm
Whatever THAT'S supposed to mean.

Alfonso de Sabio
February 13th, 2006, 11:49 pm
I said it sounded too long for eight measures. You said it isn't 8 measures. I quoted you saying it was 8 measures. I'm a little confused.

Marlon
February 14th, 2006, 01:14 am
I said it sounded too long for eight measures. You said it isn't 8 measures. I quoted you saying it was 8 measures. I'm a little confused.

I think he meant it wasn't a "little too long for eight measures." :think:

deathraider
February 14th, 2006, 01:52 am
Ooops...yeah. Thanks Marlon.

Milchh
February 15th, 2006, 05:03 pm
Hmmm.. now this is my entire opinion about that Period #1 thingy for piano.

~ Chromatics - They sucked... sorry but to me, they sucked. :cry:

~ Randomness - Yea, a little random twoards the end, but held out OK.

~ Total - 5/10

deathraider
February 15th, 2006, 07:00 pm
lol Ok, so no one liked that song. I can live with that. I'll come up with something better in the next week or two.

Maestrosetti
February 17th, 2006, 12:01 am
Well, I liked it okay. It just didn't do anything to make itself particularly appealing. It's not as if it's a bad composition, it's just not that great of a piece.

deathraider
February 20th, 2006, 08:26 am
Yay! I'm SO excited about this song! I'm in the process of writing this vocal solo (with piano accompaniment of course) which is called Dark Love. I made a recording of the first part of it, and I want to know what you guys think of it. Sorry if my vocals suck, btw. I was trying really hard to use proper technique, but I don't know if I succeeded due to a bit of stage fright. I'm better in a choir.^_^

Edit: I'm really embarrassed about my vocals, because I just listened to the song for the first time since last night, and I realized how poorly I sounded, so I'm going to take this off until I can make a good re-record. Sorry about that!

Marlon
February 20th, 2006, 03:57 pm
O.K. Well... the piano was a little too simple, which I'll hardly ever say. And as for vocals... well, let's just say you need some work on it. Maybe you weren't breathing right or enough or something. I dunno... :unsure:

Also, it never really had like a climax point and I think this isn't BG music (or is it?) because of the vocals. :\

deathraider
February 20th, 2006, 04:01 pm
Well, for one thing, the vocals were probably partially bad because it was past 2 in the morning. Secondly, the reason there hasn't been a true climax yet is that it's only the beginning of the song.

Marlon
February 20th, 2006, 05:47 pm
Well, for one thing, the vocals were probably partially bad because it was past 2 in the morning. Secondly, the reason there hasn't been a true climax yet is that it's only the beginning of the song.

So you were drowsy. XD I didn't know this was just the beginning, by the way...

deathraider
February 21st, 2006, 05:06 am
lol, Well it did say in my original post! Here, I have a midi of the same version, except without my crappy vocals in it.

deathraider
February 22nd, 2006, 12:59 am
Okay, here's a better version, added on to, and in MP3! There are two versions here; one with the vocal part played in the piano part, and one without. Some of the harmonies sound kinda bad with the piano, but they sound better with voice, I promise. Also, I want to include the lyrics up to this point, and they are:

No one knows the darkness of the dusty roads I tread,
Save I, who's walked them all, my love, but spare the tears to shed.
If thou has a fear of night, then thou shalt fear me too.

Light a fire within my soul and I'll light your way. (echoes in repeat of this portion of the melody)

Oh, and...would someone please comment this time??? I don't mean to sound desperate, but I really am. lol I know you did, though Marlon, but you ALWAYS will.:shifty:

Edit: Sorry, when I first posted they weren't any different, but I fixed it. BTW, the song is supposed to be kind of like...Music of the Night from Phantom of the Opera in that it isn't supposed to be necessarily "Dark" sounding, because it's love we're talking about.

Edit II: The version without vocals is further along at the moment, but I'll edit and upload the other tomorrow.

Al
February 22nd, 2006, 02:45 am
Could you record an updated version sometime soon with your actual voice please? Preferably before 2 in the morning? =P . . it'll make it easier to follow the lyrics and it’ll bring out more meaning to your song.

The intro was good. As simple as the piano part may seem, those harmonies were actually complex, and they effectively set up the mood/atmosphere. And I think the piano accompaniment stayed true to its intended purpose throughout the piece. But once that melody came in, I had a hard time distinguishing it from the accompaniment (because of the lack of a vocal recording). As a result, I couldn't detect the direction you wanted your piece to go in. Then again, this is a style of music that I don't normally listen to. So maybe it isn’t the direction, but maybe it’s the flow of the piece that I’m confusing it with. Because it seems to go at its own pace, sounding off-beat but still keeping within a time signature. It’s all very interesting, but I won’t have the full impact until I hear the song the way it was meant to be heard (i.e. with your voice!). Damn, I’m not good at explaining myself, haha. And oh, it doesn't actually sound 'dark' to me, more like, ah, what’s the word . .

Marlon
February 22nd, 2006, 10:21 pm
what’s the word . .

For me the word was "unaccepted/sad." :heh:

Anyways, I agree with Al, though I still think there should be something to make the intro a bit more interesting.

deathraider
February 24th, 2006, 04:35 am
*sigh* okay, don't really want to, but I know it will help commenting. Here's a recording up 'till where I have. I know the reverb is a little funny but...live with it on this one.

PS. DON'T comment on my vocal technique, please!

Al
February 24th, 2006, 05:13 am
Quite interesting, how your accompaniment is more contemporary whereas your melody is medieval-sounding. Although I don't like medieval music, you did a good job of balancing the two styles together. But yeah, the emotions are more apparent now, and your piano performance is perfect. I can tell the direction much better now. When does the second verse come in? I kept on waiting for it, haha, but you lose the direction if you go on and on. Because although it's nice to have interludes in-between verses, when you make them too long, then one wonders if there is any value in writing a verse (that is, having singing/lyrics) at all, if you get what I mean.

deathraider
February 24th, 2006, 05:20 am
Well, the piano was perfect because it was computer accompaniment. Eventually, I will make a real preformance, once it's completely done, but I made a recording just so you could tell me what you thought of it with the singing, because I've never written this type of song before.

Edit: I found out what you mean about the second verse, though. The problem is that somehow, the second part, with the chorus and second verse got cut out when I made the mp3. I fixed it.

One_Winged
February 24th, 2006, 12:19 pm
the Intro builds a very nice mood that is destroyed completely by the melody,
thats what I think. the melody should be slower... and moodyer.

Marlon
February 24th, 2006, 08:31 pm
I think the piece is nice, but it doesn't really grab my attention as I'm sure it could.

deathraider
February 26th, 2006, 08:57 am
I think I might just sack the vocals and go for another piano solo, because I wasn't getting anything cohesive/meaningful for a vocal melody or anything. I actually finished the accompaniment, so tell me what you think. Oh, and I transposed it down a half step to Cb Minor.

Edit: For some reason, it won't let me post the MP3, so you'll have to live with the .mus and .mid files.

deathraider
February 27th, 2006, 03:58 am
Sorry for the double post, but here's the link to the mp3, since for some reason it just won't upload. It's not too big or anything, so I dunno...

Dark Love (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HII2U98I)

Marlon
February 28th, 2006, 09:14 pm
It's a good song and all, but it doesn't necessarily "WOW" me... :heh:

I'm not sure why, so don't ask... XD

BTW, I quite fancy the melody you used. ;)

EDIT: O.K. After a while it gets good, I must admit.

One_Winged
February 28th, 2006, 11:18 pm
this is a kick ass song! musch better as a piano solo.

ps: songs wont upload for me either...

deathraider
March 1st, 2006, 04:46 am
YES!!! I finally got it to work! Here you go!

And thank you, One_Winged, I'm glad you liked it!

Oh, and thanks for trying Marlon! I'm glad the song grew on you.

Marlon
March 4th, 2006, 04:46 pm
I'm glad the song grew on you.

Yup, yup, yup! ^_^

deathraider
March 5th, 2006, 06:22 am
Just in case anyone wants it, here's the sheet music. I'm thinking of calling the song Remnant Nascency. What do you guys think?

Edit: This isn't the version I just posted below. I'll get that updated tomorrow.

Marlon
March 5th, 2006, 09:38 pm
Looks so hard... :eek: But it's slow, so yeah... *sighs in relief*

Anyways, what in the heck does "Remnant Nascency" mean? :unsure:

deathraider
March 8th, 2006, 06:55 am
Here's an even MORE final version. I added a little more because I felt like one section in the middle was a little off. I also made the ending build more.

deathraider
March 11th, 2006, 12:50 am
Okay, here's a compositions I have come up with, with a bit of help from someone that I...know...

Marlon
March 11th, 2006, 12:53 am
It's like an orgy to my ears! XD XD XD

It's awesome! ^.^

Liquid Feet
March 11th, 2006, 06:01 am
DARK LOVE / AMOUR NOIR / REMNANT NASCENCY ~

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT! DX

This piece is actually very nice. :D The 5/4 measures are a little messy, but you're one of the only composers on this forum besides me that has actually tried using 5/4. >>; The melody is nice in a few places but it kind of strayed away into harmonic support when it really shouldn't have sometimes, too. There are a few strangely written rhythms in the score; one that sticks out is a triplet based on two dotted eighths which could be simply written as two straight eighths instead. Overall, it's a very contemplative, meaningful piece. What a fine addition to your expansive repertoire!

VIOLIN HARP DUET ~

Hmm... The sheet music is orchestrated for Piano and Violin, but the title suggests differently. O_O; Anyway, I found this piece a little boring, mainly because of the lackluster melody. There are a few nice chord progressions in the piano/harp that catch my attention every now and then, but it seems to me that you haven't been paying much attention to the violin part. Since this is a duet instead of solo, I'd suggest maybe a section of call-and-response between the instruments. Overall, this is an OK piece-- "Dark Love / Amour Noir / Remnant Nascency" is definitely the better of the two.

deathraider
March 11th, 2006, 06:30 am
YAYAYAYAY!!!! Thanks for commenting! I'm glad you liked Dark Love/Amour Noir/Remnant Nascency, and I'll look at the whole melody-being-overpowered-by-harmony thing A.S.A.P. I wonder, was it mostly the pedaling? I could tell there were some parts where it did get all muddled together. Also, on the messy 5/4 measures, were you talking about 30 and 31? I was thinking of changing that back to what it was before...

The whole 5/4 thing I got the idea for when from my Solo and Ensemble song, where I have to switch back and forth between 5/4 and 3/4 time. I'm excited, though, because I get to go to Region on Wednesday! I hope I get to state, 'cause then the Seniors and Juniors have to respect me! (Well, I guess they don't HAVE to, but they darn well SHOULD if I make it!)

The Violin Harp Duet WAS originally for piano, but I didn't bother changing the staff name, because for now, this peice wasn't really supposed to be sheet music...I guess I see what you mean by it being a little boring. Could you tell me any specific parts in this song where you felt I had neglected the Violin?

stormchild13
March 11th, 2006, 09:56 am
nice

Maestrosetti
March 14th, 2006, 08:26 pm
^ Could your comment be any more vague? Sorry, I'm commenting on a comment, aren't I? :heh:

Violin Harp Duet: Very nice piece, very nice indeed. It's got a nice, relaxed, and thoughtful feel to it. I feel like the melody could have been a little more distinguashable (Oh gosh! Is that how you spell that? @_@) But other than that, I enjoyed it thoroughly. Nice little staccato chord at the end.

One_Winged
March 14th, 2006, 09:39 pm
Distinguishable me thinks... woops commenting a comment.

I´ll just agree with the above... im so lame.

Marlon
March 14th, 2006, 09:54 pm
im so lame.

That's why you need more candy in your life! 8D

Noir7
March 14th, 2006, 09:55 pm
The duet had its moments, but overall it didn't impress me I'm afraid. Sorry for my vagueness, but my comments and opinions are identical to Ureshi Gakii's... so read his post for my thoughts =/ Although I didn't enjoy Amour Noire as much as Ureshi.

Good job nonetheless :)

deathraider
March 14th, 2006, 10:41 pm
Oooh, are you correcting me on my French? Good thinking...

Liquid Feet
March 15th, 2006, 02:21 am
Glad to see that we're on the same page, Noir7. :D

Anyway, you just keep getting better and better after each round of compositions, deathraider. Keep up the good work! (o_O)-b

deathraider
March 15th, 2006, 02:41 am
Hmmm...I was hoping someone would tell me how to improve on my melody. I really want to polish that one, and so I'm looking for suggestions.

Alfonso de Sabio
March 15th, 2006, 03:17 am
Harp/Violin duet--
This was SO promising in the beginning. The opening reminded me of one of Satie's Gymnopédies. Around the middle, we get a serious lack of melody. Melodies are touchy things. The only suggestion I can think of is work out a new one. When I find myself in those situations, I sit down at my piano or cello and screw around until something comes out that I like. That's really all the advice I can give you.

By the way, switching from piano to harp was a great call.

It's frustrating to listen to a piece like this, because you can tell that the composer is gifted enough to really blow you away, but it never quite happens.

deathraider
March 15th, 2006, 07:04 pm
OK, I'll see what I can do, I guess.

deathraider
March 29th, 2006, 04:52 am
Okay, I FINALLY updated the sheet music. Here you go.

deathraider
April 9th, 2006, 03:09 am
Okay, so I've decided to get my butt in gear and write my Sonata already, so I wanted to write a "Sonata for All Seasons" so to speak. I want to get the affect of snow in the first movement, but I'm not sure if I'm succeeding. Could someone tell me what they think, and if it doesn't sound like snow, if I could get suggestions to make it sound more like snow. I also will accept any other suggestions.

Edit: I added some since Maestro~ posted.

BlazingDragon
April 9th, 2006, 03:26 am
I think you've emulated it fairly well so far. It brings lightly drifting snow to mind as I listen to it. I'd like to hear more! :)

Just out of curiousity, do you usually record your music from and instrument, or do you ever use sound-fonts? If so, what program are you using?

deathraider
April 9th, 2006, 03:31 am
I use...Garritan Personal Orchestra. I don't know if that's considered a 'soundfont,' exactly, but it's pretty close, in some ways. It takes up more memory, though.

BlazingDragon
April 9th, 2006, 03:35 am
Okay, I'm assuming you use Finale 2006 then, right? Man, I wish I wasn't so broke. >.<

Oh, and The harp/violin duet is very good. I really liked the beginning bit of it and some of the chords used throughout the song, and it was very relaxed. As others have said though it lacked sufficient melody in some parts though.

Marlon
April 9th, 2006, 07:32 pm
Ooh. Nice song... ^_^ Darn! Finish it, man! XD

Shizeet
April 9th, 2006, 10:42 pm
I don't much care for the reverb you used - though it makes the sequencing sound more "authentic", it obscures the frequency response of the piano (giving it a more lo-fi feel). The overall mood of the piece seems pretty appropriate, though I didn't really like the intro section - gave it a more anime/pop music feel that takes away from the seriousness of the piece.

Alfonso de Sabio
April 9th, 2006, 11:52 pm
Yeah, it sounds like a lo-fi recording, which has its advangages and disadvantages: it sounds like a recording, but a lo-fi one. The snow effect was very well done, but the piece just seemed to end.

BlazingDragon
April 10th, 2006, 12:03 am
It's not bad (The updated version). It seems to wander around a bit though, which is alright though. I kind of like those chords at around :42.

I have to admit that I was expecting a much different, stronger approach at :24 because of those two notes that jumped down right before. I would have done it different, but I'm VERY innexperienced in terms of composing so don't take my advice there. :P

I like how it is turning out though. Good job so far. :)

deathraider
April 10th, 2006, 01:11 am
Question: Who DOESN'T like the first part?

@Alphonso: Yeah, it's not nearly done. I just wanted to know if I was getting the right effect. Someone told me it sounded too much like rain instead of snow, so I thought I'd ask.

Milchh
April 10th, 2006, 01:19 am
It's good. Doesn't sound like a sonata song though.

deathraider
April 10th, 2006, 01:22 am
Well, it that's not necessarily a bad thing. After all, if it sounded like a sonata song, wouldn't that just mean that it's pretty typical? I don't really want it to be tradition, I just want it to be...my sonata.

What does a 'sonata song' sound like, anyway?

Alfonso de Sabio
April 17th, 2006, 01:03 am
I mean this in a good way. It totally sounded like a "sonata song." Sonatas are so varied that you'd have to work hard to have one not sound right.

I like the beginning. I can see rain, but it works for snow too. Maybe you should name this the "precipitation sonata" to satisfy your critics.

Noir7
April 17th, 2006, 01:06 am
I keep thinking of grey. I dunno why, perhaps somewhere in between snow and rain? :/ Anyway... don't worry too much about sonata form - if you want to call it a sonata, then go ahead ~

deathraider
April 17th, 2006, 01:10 am
Precipitation sonata? I don't want the whole thing to be precipitation sonata, though. I want it to have the four seasons and stuff, and I don't want to stick with falling things the whole time. Thanks for the complements though.

I think that I might just make this into my Spring Movement, because that seems to be the direction that it is going in. That would account for the "grey" feeling that you feel at the beginning of spring.

Sheik mahatma
April 17th, 2006, 01:25 am
Death raider, by chance what program are you useing. It sounds much better than midi because it can export it as mp3, And loved the harp violin duet.

Alfonso de Sabio
April 17th, 2006, 01:27 am
I was kidding. "Precipitation Sonata" is a ridiculous name. Although I've recently vowed to only grant my pieces ridiculous names in order to remind me of the quality of my compositions. So don't be startled when you do see a "precipitatioin sonata."

By the way, I just saw "The Four Seasons of Buenos Aires." It's essentially The Four Seasons injected with Tango--really fun.

deathraider
April 17th, 2006, 01:35 am
Wow. Do you have a link for me to listen?

BTW, @ Sheik Mahatma, I'm using Finale 2006 Garritan Orchestra

Alfonso de Sabio
April 17th, 2006, 01:45 am
This is the best I can do:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/recs/radio/krex/-/track/B0000206A4001012/ref=mu_sam_ms_001_012/104-8146333-6911135

EDIT:
By the way, check out the Spring clip at the very bottom. I love how that opens.

Sheik mahatma
April 17th, 2006, 04:20 am
THX
Ive tried it to and loved it but, the computer its on doesn't hook up to internet and everytime I try to bring to this computer something happens, so Ill just stick with note worthy composer.

deathraider
April 21st, 2006, 04:02 am
Here's a new version. I figure now I've gotten through the months of March and April, and now I'm going into May. Tell me what you guys think. (I decided to change it to the Spring movement)

Edit: I'm almost done. I got a good start on May, and I decided to go with some simple classical-sounding (as in the Classical Period) chord progressions for the May flowers and stuff, so I'm curious to know if that's successful.

evafreek576
April 21st, 2006, 04:53 pm
to put it simply: the spring movement is AWESOME! i really like it! could you post the sheet music for it cause id really like to play it. oh, what sort of piano do you have? it sounded like a grand.

Milchh
April 21st, 2006, 05:50 pm
Hey, sound perty good there. Keep workin' with it.

@Evafreak : That was a computer playing it, not a real person.

evafreek576
April 21st, 2006, 08:37 pm
Hey, sound perty good there. Keep workin' with it.

@Evafreak : That was a computer playing it, not a real person.



the mp3? that sounded pretty good if it was a computer.

deathraider
April 21st, 2006, 10:43 pm
Yeah, it's Garritan Personal Orchestra's steinway.

Jaso
April 21st, 2006, 11:35 pm
I feel sick x_x can anyone give me ff8 music to help?

Noir7
April 21st, 2006, 11:37 pm
Well, that was on-topic :>

deathraider
April 21st, 2006, 11:42 pm
*raised eyebrow at Sir Jaso*

BTW, about sheet music, I'll post some when I'm finished with the song.

Jaso
April 22nd, 2006, 05:22 am
sorry guys: by sick I mean tired (so I was REALLY tired). Sorry for blowing topic to bits but I was too tired to realise I was stupid I kinda act like I'm drunk sometimes (sowwy!)

deathraider
April 22nd, 2006, 07:31 am
It is finished! I need someone to look over the sheet music and tell me if I made any errors, though, and of course I want comments on nitpicky details of the song so that I can perfect it (as much as possible, anyway). After I get some general comments, and make any necessary changes, this will be my entry for the Spring composition competition.

Jaso
April 22nd, 2006, 08:40 am
wow. thats beautiful...

Maestrosetti
April 22nd, 2006, 07:55 pm
Nice mood and melody in the first section. It did seem a bit cluttered in the middle, just so you know. Part of that middle I think lacked direction. There was also some pedal usage that I thought could be left out. I think all this was around 1:15. I really liked when it picked up at about 1:25, though. I enjoyed the crescendos in the last section, but I think you should make them start out a little louder. I'm all for forte-piano, but that was too big a dynamic change for me.

Overall, I liked it. I think it's a good song. But there's one problem: it didn't seem Spring(ish?) enough to me. That might just be my personal opinion, though. See what others think.

One_Winged
April 22nd, 2006, 10:40 pm
this sounds more like a transition from winter to spring to me, thats great music non the less.

Sheik mahatma
April 23rd, 2006, 01:16 am
Just wow, wow, wow. WTF that was amazing. LOVED IT LOVED IT LOVED IT. No errors just make the crescendos and decrescendos more distinct, other than that. Loved it. :)

Sepharite
April 23rd, 2006, 02:04 am
Nice piece. The beginning sets the mood nicely. I love the middle section with the chromaticish scales. Anyways, keep it up, DUDE!

Jaso
April 23rd, 2006, 01:51 pm
yup i second all popsts!

Noir7
April 23rd, 2006, 09:16 pm
This is great music, good job deathraider. It didn't remind me of spring, especially not the stormy middle parts, although the following passage sounded very refreshing. It brings my thoughts to autumn... but anyway, don't let my interpretation get in the way - enter the contest :)

deathraider
April 23rd, 2006, 09:50 pm
A compliment from Noir7?! I'm honored!:lol: It does seem that most people don't think it sounds like spring, though...:(

deathraider
April 24th, 2006, 07:03 pm
I have a question: what specifically about the middle section isn't Springy? It's supposed to be the storminess of Spring, so I'm confused. I'm not arguing about it, I just want to figure out what I did wrong.

evafreek576
April 25th, 2006, 06:12 pm
i printed off this piece and played it
it is really fun to play
it sounds to me like spring
but what do i know
lol
great job are you going to do summer, fall, and winter too?

deathraider
April 26th, 2006, 03:51 am
Heck yes!

evafreek576
April 26th, 2006, 03:14 pm
YESYESYESYES! *does happy dance*

deathraider
May 21st, 2006, 10:23 pm
I have a song that I'm working on, and I want to see what people think. Just tell me if you think I should change anything thus far or what you think I should do next in the song.

Maestrosetti
May 22nd, 2006, 12:10 am
Very, VERY nice work. I think from there you should build up to something really emotional with a strong melody. Like, keep going with what you've got already, then maybe add some strong, low, octave notes and crescendo to something big. At that point you can let the song cry its heart out if you understand my meaning. Then you could go back to something soft again. I'm just throwing out ideas here. I think I heard a little dissonance in there; I'm not sure whether I liked it or not. Anyway, overall, great song, keep going with it!

One_Winged
May 22nd, 2006, 09:02 am
I liked the little dissonance ( I wouldnt even call it that) and yeah swell into some thing big! you are on to something big here.

evafreek576
May 22nd, 2006, 03:43 pm
you know, that sounds like fall...
just saying^_^ ...
with the leaves falling........
ahhhhhhhh.
dont change anything, just continue please:)

deathraider
May 22nd, 2006, 07:01 pm
Well, I was thinking about that, but I had something different in mind for fall, involving using some of the same style used in the piano part in the End Credits of E.T. I'll think about it, though.

Thanks for the positive comments, though!

evafreek576
June 5th, 2006, 04:56 pm
TRUE STORY:
Today, when I was practicing Sonata-Spring, my mom comes down and listens. When I finish, she comments "That's a beautiful piece." I say "It was composed by a 15 year old." "Oh, wow!"(not sarcastic)she exclaimed.

Thought this might interest you, deathraider^_^

deathraider
June 5th, 2006, 07:25 pm
:lol: THANKS!

Milchh
June 5th, 2006, 11:16 pm
I think this is death's "Song."

Wouldn't you all say?

Al
June 6th, 2006, 01:26 am
"Hope" is really good! I can't wait for you to finish it!

deathraider
June 6th, 2006, 04:16 am
I think this is death's "Song."

Wouldn't you all say?

Huh? What does that mean?

Thanks for the compliment Al!

Minique
June 6th, 2006, 04:38 am
Good job! You should really keep it up. I'm so amazed at most of your work! ^.^

Milchh
June 6th, 2006, 11:05 pm
Huh? What does that mean?

Thanks for the compliment Al!

Kind of like how Beethoven has his songs like people know him by:

Symphony No. 5; MOV. I

Moonlight Sonata (Mainly the 1st MOV.)

Fur Elise

etc. etc.

BlazingDragon
June 6th, 2006, 11:24 pm
I see, I thought you meant something else at first Maestro~. I missinterprutted (sp?) what you said.:heh:

Milchh
June 6th, 2006, 11:25 pm
No Problem. Some people thought I was gay at school, 'till they say me go after a girl that I have a big crush on. OM SHE <3's ME too.

Anyway, yea thats what I meant by "his song."

deathraider
June 7th, 2006, 03:06 am
Which song were you referring to, though, Maestro?

deathraider
June 8th, 2006, 04:00 am
Yay! I finally got to working on my Sonata again! This is the Fall movement that I've begun to work on. Here's what I have so far:

Edit: I've updated these since I got back from the UK

Noir7
June 8th, 2006, 10:23 am
It's a good start I suppose. Nice interpretation of autumn. The thing you had going on at 00:27-00:31 was a nice addition.

Milchh
June 8th, 2006, 11:54 am
Which song were you referring to, though, Maestro?

....

SONATA FOR SPRING

deathraider
June 10th, 2006, 03:49 am
Oh, ok. I would appreciate more comments on Sonata for All Seasons - Autumn movement, soon, though. I'm leaving tomorrow to go out of the country for 3 weeks, so I'm getting sort of desperate for comments.

Milchh
June 10th, 2006, 04:05 am
Actually, it sounds very well. I do not know how to edit it, since I am not really into that type of Modern Art music-so sorry that I can't give it a proper critisizm.

All I can say is that it is a good way of thinking about Fall! Never really thought of it that fast or quickening, but it works out preety well. GJ.

EDIT : You added a .MUS =P

evafreek576
June 10th, 2006, 04:42 am
it says as a title summer, but.....
very fallish. i don't really know what else to say. its really good? lol:lol:
seriously
oh, where you goin'?

deathraider
June 10th, 2006, 04:48 am
UK

evafreek576
June 10th, 2006, 04:49 am
cool!
oh, off-topic, but...
who made your sig?

deathraider
June 10th, 2006, 04:50 am
Uh...I'll PM you.

deathraider
July 6th, 2006, 02:09 am
I going to be really lame and horrible and double post, but it's because I wanted to get my thread back up after a month of being a dead topic. I'm posting a major update to Sonata for All Seasons - Autumn, though, but it's still not complete. Please give comments. I especially want some specific places where the song needs tweaking, some advice on how to do that, as well as whether or not the song stays true to the autumnal them throughout.

Milchh
July 6th, 2006, 03:00 am
Sounds great.

Keep up with it.

Marlon
July 6th, 2006, 03:27 am
I agree. I love the dynamics, and it sings "Autumn" to me. Good job. :)

evafreek576
July 6th, 2006, 12:51 pm
whoah.
THATis fall, no questions asked.
and anyone who says differently will be shot:hunter:

deathraider
July 6th, 2006, 02:56 pm
The question is, do you think there's any way that you'll be able to play it, evafeak576? I'm worried that it'll be really hard...

evafreek576
July 6th, 2006, 03:02 pm
don't worry, i probably will be able to play it.



oh, sonata-spring should be recorded today, so ill try to post it.

Milchh
July 6th, 2006, 05:34 pm
This really isn't 'hard'. It's perfectly playable. Sure, it will take a little to get it done or 'perfect' but it's playable hehe.

EDIT : I just listened to the song again. It sounds like it's going in Sonata-Allegro Form. You kind of have the Exposition, and your in the Development. It's the Rehipiculation that's a little harder.

deathraider
July 6th, 2006, 06:18 pm
OK, so what should I recapitulate? I'm going to post my ideas for an ending, but it's not a recapitulation, it's kind of hurried, and I kind of don't like it, so if I could get some help on sort of morphing it into a recapitulation, that would be awesome, because I wanted it to be Sonata-Allegro form, but I couldn't think of how to do the recapitulation in the ending. If anyone has time, I also need someone to help me edit any stray notes in chords that make something sound out of place, but only if you can edit the .mus, because the .mid won't import back into Finale very well.

Marlon
July 6th, 2006, 06:47 pm
I like it, actually. :think: A few of the sixteenth notes by the end need to sound a little more organized, and that's about it. The rest sounds beautiful to me.

I'm lovin' it! ^_^ This piece is wonderful.

Sir_Dotdotdot
July 6th, 2006, 06:59 pm
Nice job~! You've done a great job setting up the atmosphere with the sixteenth notes, but one tiny notation error I found while reading the score was that at bar 49-50 and bar 50, there were whole notes (4 beats), but your time signature is 3/4, so yeah, change it to dotted half or something, or it doesn't seem right (that's why I hate the idea of using whole rests for empty bars). :/ Another preference-ish issue is that I think you should put the pedal marking under the bass staff instead of in between, because it's gonna look quite messy if you actually print the score out... But overall, nice job! ;)

Maestrosetti
July 6th, 2006, 10:11 pm
I personally think this would sound pretty neat if orchestrated. It'd be nice if you did something other than piano for once...x_x

I thought the right hand part perhaps would have sounded better an octave higher in some parts. Sort of started to trail off at 2:40 to an ending that seemed...lacking. But you're still working on the ending, right?

deathraider
July 7th, 2006, 03:32 am
Yes, most definitely. I was thinking that it would sound good orchestrated, too. The problems are that it's a piano sonata, and that I don't know really anything about orchestration, and so things that I try never end up sounding very good.

Noir7
July 7th, 2006, 03:01 pm
I didn't like the repeats, and the B section was the weaker part of this piece. It felt like autumn though :)

deathraider
July 7th, 2006, 05:49 pm
What do you consider the B section, and which do you hate more, the first or the second repeat?

evafreek576
July 7th, 2006, 09:13 pm
here is a recording of Sonata-Spring!
ill keep working on the piece, and make a better recording soon, but here it is!

btw, a good way to end fall would be to lead into winter, then winter lead into spring.
(spring kind of ends in the transition to summer, or at least thats how i interpret it)
it sounds like its doing that, so just clean the ending a little and it will work!

Alfonso de Sabio
July 8th, 2006, 02:21 am
General Critique:
The lovely thing about music is that you could write anything, call it "Autumn" and people would hear some quality of Autumn. It's impossible to betray the theme.

I like the minimalist theme you have going on with the right hand the whole time. I wish that the melodies underneath that were more haunting. They're too easily forgetable.

Now for the specific parts:
I'm not really a fan of measures 18 and 19. (I'm going off the MIDI, by the way.) They muddle the sound to no greater purpose.

Measures 37-44 are pretty weak too. It's like you wanted to make a transition, but didn't know how to do it.

Overall though, this is a pretty inspired composition. Good job.

EDIT:
Oops. This is my criticism for the version you posted right before the latest one. Hope it's still useful.

deathraider
July 8th, 2006, 03:56 am
evafreak! Thank you, that was so awesome! I am so excited to have a real human recording, with true expression, and I liked the flare you added.

Alphonso, thank you for your helpful criticism. I must say, 18-19 are probably in need of cleaning up, but I think they do contribute to the Autumn feel very well! To me, at least, they make the windy feel that I wanted througout more of the piece that I should have tried harder to incorporate. Am I the only one that has this opinion, though? On the other part, I also am sort of attached to 37-44 in some ways, although from 40-44 I can see how you might say there was a weak transition into, or say that it didn't fit with the mood of the song.

BlazingDragon
July 9th, 2006, 02:26 am
I love it! It is a very different view of Autumn than I had expected but that did not make it any less beautiful. :) It sounds very inspired and original.

Great job! :D

Milchh
July 10th, 2006, 01:48 am
Good playing, Eva.

deathraider
July 10th, 2006, 05:42 am
OK, so here's the beginnings of my next project (I'll still be working on Sonata for All Season, too). Basically, Maestrosetti and I decided to do a suite of songs which represent 6 elements, which are Earth, Wind, Fire (hahaha, that's almost the name of a band!), Water, Light, and Dark. I will be doing the main work on Earth, Water, and Light. What I am going to post now is the intro to Light, and I want to see how I'm doing. I'm sure it needs tweaking, but I'm not sure how yet. Also, I need a little advice on how to make it blossom into the actual song, because I don't want it to continue with the sort of mystical, dark mood that introduces it.

Noir7
July 10th, 2006, 02:06 pm
How about using a C7 chord, with a timpani roll (and a harp glissando) and then modulate to F major. There you can begin with the main section of the song perhaps.

Milchh
July 10th, 2006, 02:50 pm
burn the harp score, or make it better. Seemed to not line up very well. I don't know why, but it seemed so... GOD I HATE THIS... 'random'.

deathraider
July 10th, 2006, 09:03 pm
Uh...I fixed it so it doesn't sound off, though I may have to alter the notation a bit later, but it sounds better. As for your suggestion Noir7, I tried a C7 chord and it sounded really weird/random/sudden. Did you mean C7, or F7, or perhaps c7 or C#7? (okay, I'll stop guessing now)

Sir_Dotdotdot
July 10th, 2006, 09:54 pm
Since your key signature is in Ab Major, then it should be Ab7, but first, lead the chords to F minor first (F, Ab and C), and then raise F to F#/Gb (now you'll have a Ab7(-5) chord), and then go into Db major. A little criticism on the piece so far; the string players will hate you for making them playing 4 flats. XD But good luck continuing it.

deathraider
July 11th, 2006, 12:11 am
Oops, I read that wrong the first time. Actually, I don't think that would work very well for what I want to do, so I decided on switching to Bb Major instead of Db Major. I think I got the effect I wanted from that. You can tell me what you think, though.

deathraider
July 17th, 2006, 05:50 am
Second try on ending for Autumn:

Noir7
July 17th, 2006, 09:39 am
Well that was just charming ^_^

Marlon
July 17th, 2006, 06:32 pm
That was kick-ass! I absolutely love it! It's so amazing. :lol:

Sir_Dotdotdot
July 17th, 2006, 07:21 pm
Lovely ending, good job~! ^_^ ;)

evafreek576
July 17th, 2006, 07:28 pm
whoah.
keep that ending.

deathraider
July 17th, 2006, 09:35 pm
Does the new ending work for a recapitulation?

Edit: Here's the sheet music, too. Thanks, Noir7, for changing the name of my thread, as well.

Milchh
July 18th, 2006, 04:55 am
I like it. Great job.

deathraider
July 18th, 2006, 06:30 pm
No criticism? I'm really surprised. I thought for sure someone would comment on bad transitions again. I feel like those really need some more work...

yousee
July 18th, 2006, 07:43 pm
I found it flawless.
If there are mistakes i never heard them but for a more technical aspect of the song i wouldnt be the one to ask.

Maestrosetti
July 18th, 2006, 08:36 pm
...why do I always have to be the one to point out flaws? You people are useless.

The first half's a bit repetitive, don't you think? And also a bit uninteresting. It doesn't really pick up until halfway through. I think the left hand would sound very good if played on an accoustic guitar, personally.

At about 2:40, I felt the transition wasn't subtle enough and could be helped by some lower notes. (Perhaps quickly climbing up a scale?) Otherwise, I don't think there were any transition problems. Great job. :)

Sir_Dotdotdot
July 18th, 2006, 09:24 pm
If you are really desperate for criticism :heh:, here's one: at bar 49-50 on the score, there's a notation error, you put a whole note (four beats), but your time signature is 3/4, so yeah, fix that. ;)

Edit: There are some messy slurs, octave lines and hairpins too, just fix that and make it pretty and all that. Also, check your crescendo markings, because sometimes you put crescendo at spots where the phrase is ending and the melody is moving downwards, so if you put a crescendo there, it's kind of awkward.

deathraider
July 19th, 2006, 04:22 am
Hmmm...I'll work on the hairpins later. Thanks guys, for the real criticism. I can't believe I forgot to fix the quarter note thing, though, because didn't you tell me about that before? Oh well. I'm posting a NEW version with a little added theme in it in the second half that eases the transition a little, but the transition from the transition (XD) may need a little work. Maestrosetti, you confuse me, since on MSN you were telling me it was very impressive and you didn't think the transitions needed help<_< . Oh well. Tell me if you think the new section is out of place.

Edit: I was mostly kidding Maestrosetti.

Maestrosetti
July 19th, 2006, 12:35 pm
It is impressive, and I think the transitions are fine. I'm just saying if you wanted to change anything, it would probably be that. Sorry for not being clearer on that.

Not crazy about the addition, to be honest. I think the song was fine without it. Where was that, at like 3:00 or something, it didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the piece. That's my two cents.

deathraider
July 19th, 2006, 07:18 pm
Yeah, I think when after sleeping on it, it sounds too much like ET to me.

evafreek576
July 19th, 2006, 07:24 pm
hmmm.......the ending kind of helps lead into a wintery theme.....keep it.

deathraider
July 19th, 2006, 09:04 pm
OK, so here's the NEW (OMG!!!) transition. I also extracted that new section (took it out) and orchestrated it to make this:

Al
July 20th, 2006, 02:32 am
This piece was nice. However, and maybe it's just me, but I didn't like that bass note. Is there any way you can turn down the volume for just that one note? Because I felt like it stuck out like ringing bells, and made it hard for me to hear what was going on in the music above. Or if I'm wrong/crazy, then please just ignore my post!

deathraider
July 20th, 2006, 02:40 am
Al, which piece are you referring to, and which bass note?

Al
July 20th, 2006, 02:47 am
The C# note in your updated "Sonata for All Seasons - Autumn". It's kinda like a metronome how it's almost always there. Or maybe I'm going crazy.

deathraider
July 20th, 2006, 05:01 am
Well, the left hand does repeat the same thing a lot, which is part of the minimalism of the piece. I don't think it would work to just take it out...

Milchh
July 20th, 2006, 05:55 am
I seriously like it how it was, but this sounds just as good.

I would maybe revise it one last time, and make sure everything is right before you lock it 'complete' though.

Al
July 20th, 2006, 07:00 am
Well, the left hand does repeat the same thing a lot, which is part of the minimalism of the piece. I don't think it would work to just take it out...

Nono, I never said to take it out =P Ah just forget my comments then, it hasn't been constructive at all, and I don't even know what I'm trying to say, oops. Please forgive me.