just a question from the idiot what is a gfx team

@ Spikey
Cant's see ur sig man...
@ Inu
9/10 cause it's too sexy~ XD
@ hiei
Can't see ur siggy either... X_X

xtami- Actually no I didn't use clouds, I used brushes...but they sort do look like clouds i guess
Virtuoso- gfx team= Graphics Team.
Eternal- There's something wrong with your computer, lol.

@ Spikey
Cant's see ur sig man...
Really? I can see it loud and clear...

And so can alot of others... :huh:

i can see it.. except every now and then when my pc feels like being stupid it doesnt show some peoples sigs... so i have to click the refresh button
anyhoo

spiky:
overall - i like it.. its got nice smooth colours that blend... its a cool pic! and i like the font!! what font is it? - 7/10

new set, not made by me, made by a dear friend

Indeed my computer is messed up.. Whenever I see Inu-Chan's set I can't see Spikey's
But when Inu isn't present I CAN see Spikey's set
BTW @ Spikey 9/10 as well cause it's still TOO sexy~ XD
@Paradox
Loving the green 9/10 cause the avvie isnt good enough for the sig XD

oooh.. for paradox... ill give it a 9/10!! i dunno.. just something about it makes it look really cool!!! maybe like eternal said, the green is MAD!!! i like how it all kinda blends together and stuff!! =D

How's my new set? It was kinda a quickie, but hey... xD I've fallen in love with Haibane Renmei all over again. And now I'm listening to Three Doors Down - Let Me Go.
So I blended the two together :3

My first sig ever!

How is it?

ava-7
siggy-5

Well, the ava is plain, a border would be nice.

And the siggy dosnt even match the ava, and im not a fan of photoshop effects, looks real cheesey. But thats just me :P

uh oh, my first time in this thread.

Sashiro
ava: 7.5/10 I don't know if you made it dark and blurry on purpose? But I like the borders, very neat.
sig: 9/10 I like the colours and the flashy letterings. It might look simple to some but I like it. Good idea.

FireIsFun888
ava: 6/10 It's a face, just a face. It's not bad but it's not exciting to me...but that's my take on it, don't get offended or anything.
sig: 9.5/10 I never read whether our sigs and avatars have to match...dunno what RD is talking about :\ But I like the background, the silver, purple blend, and I like the teddy bear, ok ok i'm biased, I have a soft spot for teddy bears. But they look good on anything...., so there!

Ok, someone rate mine. I have never done this stuff before, so be cruel, be very cruel. :heh:

bluegloo
ava-8
siggy-9

The ava if nice, but there is that area in the uper right hand cornor that is blah, and theres no border.

The siggy is very nice, but that blob in the middle....its blocky

~~~

About the matching set, it just looks nicer if it matched ;)

bluegloo
ava-8
siggy-9
About the matching set, it just looks nicer if it matched ;)Wow, thanks, not bad for my first try huh? Ok, ok I know what you mean by the sig and ava matching, I was just teasing. I'll experiment with some borders and post it again. And about that 'blob', I did a 'wand select' using Adobe on Daniella's face (the one to the left of the blob) and that's what happened. It looked creepy so I let it stay. I could try and smooth it out *hurries back to tampering with sig* Thanks for your comments, RD ^_^

you didnt rate mine O_O

oops, sorry bout that RD.
ava: 9/10 pretty cool, I like the offset borders, and the angle of the character is interesting
sig: 10/10 I like the artwork. It's clear, it's colourful. but it doesn't match your ava, ha ha....might have to take a point off that, j/k
edit: hey, you changed your sig. nevermind, it still gets a 10. How many sigs and avas have you been making?

Umm..The chrono Cross ava does match the siggy because its the same game ;)

I changed it to the gorilaz one because people said it was my best one :P

Anout how many sets do I have...11...But im going to make new ones later this weeks before school starts up agian.

~~

Thankies for the nice comments.

@ Spikey
Cant's see ur sig man...
@ Inu
9/10 cause it's too sexy~ XD
@ hiei
Can't see ur siggy either... X_X

Reload the page.

Radical Dreamer:
Adv - 4/10
Sig - 4.5/10

uh oh, my first time in this thread.

Sashiro
ava: 7.5/10 I don't know if you made it dark and blurry on purpose? But I like the borders, very neat.
sig: 9/10 I like the colours and the flashy letterings. It might look simple to some but I like it.
Yeah, I meant to make it look like that xD

Yeah, I meant to make it look like that xD she looks creepy, like that girl from The Ring. I closed my eyes the moment she stepped out of the well, AHH!!!!!

Radical_Dreamer: 9.5/10 for the set! I love Gorillaz B)

bLuEgOo: 7.8/10 for the set! Who is that anyway?

Sashiro: 6.2/10 for the set! Don't like the font...sorry

Hiei: 9.6/10 for the set! I always like those sets you make, lol. Looks great... only reason you didn't get a 10/10 was because of the font.

Who is that anyway? *GASPS* You don't know?! That's Daniella, the demonic maid who chases you around with a glass shard and hot poker (ouch) in Haunting Ground (PS2) or it's called Demento in Japan.
:edit: I forgot to rate your's
Paradox: 9/10 for the set. Very smooth and nicely put together. I like the background in your sig and my 2nd favourite colour is green.

Blue: D: Nice set, but the picture scares me! ;o;

Paradox: XD Call me a stoner or whatever, but it looks like that guy's gettin' high or something. XD <3

Blue: D: Nice set, but the picture scares me! ;o;
Ex-cel-lent!!! *Does a Mr. Burns impression*

XD <3 @ Bloo

laeluu

Adv - 4/10
Sig - 4/10

So far noone has gotten above a 5/10 in my ratings lately.

blue
its scary!!!! :boo: lol.. not really.. just the look in her eyes and her skin colour scares me XD

anywayz.. rating 6/10
it could use a border in the sig...? but i like how you blended the two pics together.. nice work! ^^ v

I have to give Laeluu 10/10 for originality and for the fact that she drew them herself! Way to go!!!! Unlike all these harsh critics *ahem, ahem* <_<

well it depends on what you are marking on...
effort, originality, design, etc...
or simply, what most appeals to the person that is judging it...

I don't think I've been rated in a long time, or ever rated and I posted in this thread a couple of times awhile ago too. :mellow: Probably because I've had this set all year. XD

lol.. well ok, ill give ya me rating
its different.. its quite.. serene? not sure how to explain it
it makes me sad... because its a tree all on its lonesome
im giving it a 7/10
but its nice.. its clean.. and simple..

Toki
adv - 4/10
sig - 4.5/10

still no ratings above 5/10

Radical Dreamer:
Adv - 4/5
Sig - 4.5/5

Hah! :)

oooh.. hiei is one hard critic.. must make one atleast 5.5/10
*runs off and starts making a sig masterpiece*

Hah! :)
Sorry that was a typo. Its supposed to be 4/10 and 4.5/10. Remember that I never rate things out of 5. must be that I am getting used to rating things under 5 -_-

oh lol!! i didn even notice that it was 4/5 XD i still read it as 4/10 hahaa..
anywhom...

oh! no idea if i have given hiei a rating yet (if i have.. and if i give it a different rating.. well... i guess i was in a different mood back then)
well.. i like it to a point XD i just wont say too much.. but i like the type of drawing!
ill give it a 7/10
and im finding it a little hard to read a few of the words... but ohwellz, ill live

Hiei: 8/10 The sig is just disturbing to me, but funny in a weird way :|
toki: 9/10 It's very artistic.

So far noone has gotten above a 5/10 in my ratings lately.
It's nice and all to be a hardass, but how would you rate your own? And what would you consider a 10/10 avatar/signiture?

@Spiky: I like the sig, but I'm not sure how much I like the fanart. The colours go really well and create a kind of wafty dream like image. Hmmm, but the drawing style....I think I'll rate 7/10 *nods* Yep!

Igneus-
ava-10
siggy-6

The ava is cool, prefect...but the Siggy...I cant read the text, and the leafs are really weird looking. over all an 8.

It's nice and all to be a hardass, but how would you rate your own? And what would you consider a 10/10 avatar/signiture?
Hiei
adv - 5/10
sig - 5.5/10

Well, the first things I look for is the blending, then the color, and then I just look at the whole adv/sig and see if I feel comfortable with it. I dont think i ever gave a 10/10 before, so yeah.

Radical_Dreamer(muh hubbyster): 10/10 for the set! I love the style and I love The Wizard of Oz...so umm yeah!

Paradox (Muh hubby too):10/10 becayse theres no friken photo-shop afects and its just damn cool..

Sorry for my spelling, im tired ._.

*me thinks there is some *cough* favouritism going around? *cough, cough*....don't mean to cough so much, I'm just ill.
RD, no really, I like your sig. I'll give it 9/10 for the set. Again, I like green.
I added borders *waves hands across sig* Is it too scary? so far I haven't had any complaints from the mods or admins. Maybe I'll make a less scarier one.

I just recently did my Ava and Sig. I don't have PhotoShop so I drew everything. Tell me how it is and rate them plz. (oh... i drew them with Paint)

bluegoo - I haven't seen a lot of 3D ava and sig... if not... ever. but I kinda like it. it's little dark but that fits your name. ava:7.25/10 sig:7.75/10

Give the avatar a border. I'm loving the signature though, all the colours are so nice. :lol:

Rating
Overall 8/10

bLuEgOo: 10/10 for the set. (I'm a "Hornblower" fan from way back...)

what about mine :sweat:it's so big and colorful huh?:P:P:P :lol:

bLuEgOo: 10/10 for the set. (I'm a "Hornblower" fan from way back...)
YAY!!!! *does a backflip...and crashes head first into the computer screen*
Oow...um....thank you, thank you, it is less scary than my other one, no?
Wheeeeeeeee I finally found another Hornblower fan!

Edwin: I give you 10/10 too! I like the colours, very colourful in fact! And I like the characters, so full of life, and the little ball thingies remind me of lollipops, yum!

Jirurisu: nice avatar, Rinoa and Squall? or Cloud? Anyways, cute couple. but I can't see your sig! When you have one I'll rate it.

.. You are kidding, right? :unsure: (oops, I crossposted! :whistle: )

Sorry for double post, but I kind of felt it was required. :whistle:

I just recently made a very simple set of Cagalli from Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny in paint, I'm still thinking to add things to it. :sweat: It actually only took several minutes once I found the image I was looking for. :P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/cags3.jpg

The border messed up in paint, and I'm very tired right now (12:26 just saw Meet the Fockers) I promise to fix it later tommorow I hope. :P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/cags2sig.jpg

Working~! :heh:

Thinking about moving the text more to the side and finding a better font (any suggestions?)

E- Just starting to remember how much fun it is to make nice sets, but Paint is so limited. Need to get my hands back on to Photoshop or figure out how Gimp works. :mellow:

E- Made the sig bigger and messed around with the fonts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/cags3sigcopy.jpg

Its nice, I just dont like the text shadow on the last siggy, it makes it harder to read.

Maybe to fill it up, put the text in the middle, then find who every that is's counter part and stick him/her on the other side :P

8/10 over all so far.

Can't find any good images of Athrun from Destiny. <_<

RD: 9.5/10 for the set. I love how it's a matching set with Paradox's!

Sarkurah: 10/10. Wonderful colours and the lone tree is a nice touch. Has a very soothing and poetic feel. Very lovely. Too bad you are going to change it soon, I guess you've had this one for a while though.

Sark: ooh.. it looks like its coming along nicely! but there is a lot of white still... ill give a rating when its done ^_~'

RD: awww.. it matches with dox!! ima giving it a 6.5/10

blue: hahahah XD i like how ya blended it all together.. it flows nicely! the text somhow does but doesnt fully work with it.. i dunno.. the font is nice.. but somehitng about the placement? not quite sure :heh: but.. im giving it 8/10 nice work!

I already rated toki's, I still give it 4/10 for adv, 4.5/10 for the sig.

Then why don't you rate someone else? ;)

Bluegloo, I didn't say I was going to change my set. I'm just trying to make a new one in paint. :)

Got my new set :)
what do you think?
I dont know but suddenly I thought I wanted a new one..sperm of the moment
so I just made it. :heh:

I like it plenty!

9/10 over all only because of one little flaw, the bottom left character is really really blurry...

@Sakurah: 9/10 - I love it
@Radical_Dreamer: 7/10 - I like its colours, and the fact that it's different.
@Klonoa: 6/10 - Also good colouring

Noir7

adv - 4/10
sig - 4.5/10

You dont use borders do you? =/

He does use a border. Just not a solid black one. :mellow:

What a classic, spoonpuppet!

Adv - 4/10
Sig - 5/10

=]

You seem happy.. yet the score is 4/10... :blink: That's very low to me.. :blink:

I think it is :P

Spoony-8/10. The background colors dont match, and I have no idea what its from....

its from CCS

Radical Dreamer

adv - 3/10
sig - 3/10

It's from Tsubasa Chronicle/s (or Card Captor Sakura)? I think it's very nice! :) Angelic make it? :whistle:

oh. Its like manga art from it or somthing, because it dont look like the art for the anime..

So many low scores todayXD

Sakurah-10/10 its just so simple and so nice to look at, its calming and pritty XD

Sakurah:

adv - 4.5/10
Sig - 4.75/10

Hiei, what is your general breakdown for rating an ava/sig set? It seems to me that you're just giving everyone less than 5/10 without much feedback, especially when you rated Spoony's, your comment sounded very impressed but you still gave a really low rating. Btw you don't have to rate mine, I know you'll give me (at most) 2 or 3 out of 10.

meh, got bored of the old miles one, about time i changed anyway

bLuEgOo:
Avatar - Meh, I like it. So 8/10 it is!
Sig - Better than anything I could do. 8.5/10

Kou:
Avatar - Reminds me of Sin City. That thought alone gets you a 9.5/10.
Sig - I wanted to do something like that. your sig ALSO reminds me a lot of Johnny Cage haha. 9.5/10

Shane:

Advatar - 4/10 - No borders.

Signature - 6/10 (Finally!) - Used borders, good. I like the colors used. However the yellow-ish glow isnt neccessary (SP?)

Hiei,

Ava- since it's drawn black and white. Can't really add colors or whatnot, to me it doesn't suite my taste but if I was rating like that then I'll give you 7/10

Sig- The font you use is meant to be small, since it's big it doesn't look right to me. But still... 7/10

Well...these are actually the first signitures I ever made....which one do you guys think is better? I made them with Macromedia Fireworks :sweat:

#1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/ParadoxRB/Kid-Siggy101.jpg



#2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/ParadoxRB/Kid-Siggy1012.jpg

I personally like the first one better. the boarder's kind of thick. You should try to get a better font. maybe a better image quality. But I have to say, for your first time, it's alot better then what I used to do. 8/10

ooh i like the first one! first one!

I like the frst one, the second one looks like its showing off her breast..oh, it is XD

Toki-10/10. I like the effects and all, but what is PS? PhotoShop?

kekeke, my new avatar and sig rocks. :lol:

I know where you got that! I have that original image as well.

Advatar - 3/10 - No border.

Signature - 5.5/10 - Funny comment! Plus the picture looks better with black background IMO.

Yeah, the picture is a self-portrait I did of my brother making that face. :lol:

oh, so that was you!

but what is PS? PhotoShop?

haha umm.. no XD its the bands initials lol...

Wait, is it possible to do a self-portrait of someone else? ^_^

Tis her little brother :P

I like your set set Shane, 8/10 over all. The only problem I have is the blotchy-ness on the white glow of the hair XD

My goodness you're right RD! I didn't even recognize that. I'll try to fix it because now it's just an eyesore.

Also, you get a 9/10 overall because I love that game. By the way, if my stalker sensors are right, didn't you have a different sig like..a few hours ago? I'm tired.. :heh:

ypu. I found some new images, and changed the Siggy. I neglected to change the Ava {even though I can in 2 seconds} in order to keep the slighest resembalance of a dubble set wih my hubby.

@RD: well, at least you do have that matching avvy still. Also looks good as it is. i'm giving yours an 7.5/10
@Shane: Other than the yellow glow, very nice set! 8/10

Mystery-ed-
9.999999.../10 It only needs a border...BTW, are all those from kingdom hearts? I dont recall arieth looking like that in KH, but I have a bad memory to top it off XD

Rad: 9/10 for sig, 8/10 for avatar
Myster ED: 7/10 for avatar, 8/10 for sig
Shane: 8/10 for avatar, 8/10 for sig, the white highlights sticks out, just get rid of it, it should look awesome. :D

P.S. I ain't a girl. Whoever gave you that idea? ^_^; I told you before, the girl in the pix is my older cousin. The self-portrait is my little brother. :D

oh, I thought you said that was you...XD sorry.

Xpeed-8/10 over all. The ava is small, sorta cuts off when i think it scould be bigger. The siggy is nice, maybe a border on both?

@RD: thanks for the tip. i never realised how long it takes to do that effect with each individual letter :heh:
@X-Speed: 6.5/10, because the siggy is an odd size and the face scares me...

EDIT: the border is in, and it looks good. and the characters are from KH. there is a link between them other then that, but not telling :shifty:

MysEd:
Av: 8/10
Sig: 10/10 (Animated! And I'm not telling about the link :shifty: )

Eagle-

Ava- 6/10 You should try to get a better image quality and bring down the thickness ofthe boarder

Sig- Maybe that font and font color aren't right, It's hard to read the "No matter who" unless if you really squint at it. 6.5/10

Hiei, stop giving stupid ratings like that to everyone. Everyone's entitled an opinon yada blah blah... but I have a feeling you do that for your own ego.

Okay. But those ratings I give isnt because I'm a hardass. Its about how the images look in my eyes, comparing with the other peices in this topic.

However, in some ratings I did overlook alot of things and just sped toward the grading process. (That includes spoonpuppet) I am sorry for giving you guys such low score, and I promise I wont do that again.

Alright I have a question, it seems the yellow glow isn't really a hit. All I did was select the eyes, desaturate everything else, and sharpen to sort of give it that glow. Should I just not sharpen it?

And yes, I AM my own person, but hey I aim to please :sweat:

My very own grading system! I just made it up today, I'll be using this for future ratings. If you want, let me know if you have any problems or suggestions, but please PM me about it, I will not discuss it here.

(1 = bottom of the pit dreadful; 10 = outstanding)

Main Criteria
-use of colour (2 pts)
-structure, use of space, cropping job (2 pts)
-originality i.e. created from scratch or a mere pasting of pictures? (2 pts)
-artistic quality i.e. visually appealing? (2 pts)

Bonus points
-matching ava and sig (1 pt)
- borders (1 pt)
Total possible points = 10 pts

Eternity: 8.5/10 beautiful shadowy and lighting effects on the sig, the shimmering red on "Appleseed" was a nice touch

Noir7: 7/10 what is the name of that music score in your sig? is it the Imperial March? B)

Hiei: 6/10 you probably have the most unusual set and I mean it in a good way. I personally would have liked to see more colour though.

Shane: 9/10 love the effect on the eyes and how you coloured the word "amber", cool character pose, excellent!

Alright I have a question, it seems the yellow glow isn't really a hit. All I did was select the eyes, desaturate everything else, and sharpen to sort of give it that glow. Should I just not sharpen it?

And yes, I AM my own person, but hey I aim to please :sweat:

Not the yellow eyes, the glow around Rurouni on the left. At least, that's what I think people are talking about. It makes the image look choppy. You were probably better off with a not-quite-solid dark stroke or something to fuzz up the outline a bit.

Not the yellow eyes, the glow around Rurouni on the left. At least, that's what I think people are talking about. It makes the image look choppy. You were probably better off with a not-quite-solid dark stroke or something to fuzz up the outline a bit.

Yeah, about that glow. The original piece had a choppy thin line around it, so I decided to cover it up. I didn't know how to get rid of it then, but I do now and I'm working on it. Not sure what you mean by not-quite-solid lol. I'm tired.

I'm trying to work on a set for me and RD...so far i think i have the sigs...but i can change them..

well here:

Mine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/ParadoxRB/ParadoxsSig.jpg




RD's:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/ParadoxRB/RadicalsSig.jpg

I like it :D

Tis green though..Blargh....

XD

Those look really good, Paradox, but I think the green is out of place. how about a greyish background?

new set :P

Bluegloo-9/10 You took out the blob, but now DEMENTO just doesnt look like it belongs...

i think that the green is a little too... green. another color that is less... green... would work... green...

Yes! My sig scared some people. I have succeeded. Pwahaha :lol:

Since some of the pairups did a pair of matching adv and sigs, i guess I'll do the same. However it might look a bit crappy x_x.

This is for you Talon.

Advatar - http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/619/yoi151ng.jpg

Signature - http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5512/yoi163jl.jpg

Yea, you guys said the font doesnt look too good, but i had no choice since it was the same font I used for mine. And I'm not really good at placing text, so yea blah >.>

Where the heck are you getting all those pictures from?! I want to know XD

I have my own personal copy of the manga. And no your not getting it =P. No more offtopic posts.

@ Hiei, I think the matching avatars look great as they are, you've got the continuity thing going on nicely, but I don't really think that the sigs have the same advantage. This is because a) I'm freaking out b) the characters aren't the same or c) I just have no understanding of the context of the original manga. Also, whereas in your own sig the little "<3" is tucked neatly and unobtrusivly off to the side it is kind of stuck in the middle in Talon's sig. But other than that they are great!
@ Paradox, They are looking good but as a suggestion you might want to turn down the opacity on the green or turn up the opacity on the background characters and bring them in front of the green. They are very nice and robustly organic though, which is charming.

@ Hiei, I think the matching avatars look great as they are, you've got the continuity thing going on nicely, but I don't really think that the sigs have the same advantage. This is because a) I'm freaking out b) the characters aren't the same or c) I just have no understanding of the context of the original manga. Also, whereas in your own sig the little "<3" is tucked neatly and unobtrusivly off to the side it is kind of stuck in the middle in Talon's sig. But other than that they are great!
@ Paradox, They are looking good but as a suggestion you might want to turn down the opacity on the green or turn up the opacity on the background characters and bring them in front of the green. They are very nice and robustly organic though, which is charming.
Yes, my signatures arent perfect. So expect to see some technical difficulties.

Squiggle-

Avatar- 9/10 No complaints about it, very nice.

Signature- 9/10The font isn't my favorite thing but I do like everything else none-the-less

Eternity-8/10..I knew Ive seen those people and art work before..Then I saw the allmost impossable to see APPLESEED in your siggy. Could you make the text brighter, or somthing? I know the APPLESEEP flashes sometimes, but its still faint when it does..

And the border looks funny XD

And the border looks funny XD

Funny? It's called a Tech Boarder.

Well..Its just funny looking to me XD

Everything I see in the world looks funny to tell the truth...Unless its sad.

Ah, new sets. I give 10/10 for both Squiggle (it's so cute I actually smile just looking at it) and RD (absolutely beautiful, love the way you designed the sig, you can feel it move). I'm not an easy judge but I am in a good mood. B)
Anyway, I made a new set. What do you think? I had a lot of fun making the borders and I figured out how to use the cloning tool. The avatar didn't turn out the way I wanted to though.

:EDIT:
Thanks Squiggle. I think the border faded when I changed the size. Anyway I fixed it. And you should be afraid of Daniella, this crazy maid chases you with a hot poker and a glass shard. :death:

I would give you an 8 1/2 /10 for the sig, purely because the character freaks me out a bit, and a 7/10 for the avatar. The border on the avatar is just too hard to see. Maybe thickening it up or lightening it such as the one on your sig? But the sig is looking much better than your last one! :teeth:

bLuEgOo: Nice layout. (Gives me an idea for a cute parody sig!) 10/10
Squiggle: Cute! I like the motto! 10/10

bLuEgOo - I like this much more than the previous one :) 10/10
Squiggle - It's just so happy-looking! I'm having a good day already because of it. Why am I this energized in the morning? 9.5/10
Edwin - 9/10, only because I like borders :)

OH K DEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WAT YA CHATTIN BOU <_< T

Dosen't mean I'm Dumb PEEPS!

You just confirmed that you are dumb by posting rubbish like this. If you don't know what this thread is for then don't post in it or ask politely what it's for instead of typing in capitals and txtspk like a two-year-old.

What do you guys think of my new sig?

its very nice. the whole thing looks very pleasing. 9/10
will you be re-doing your avatar in the same style?

I hope so because I like it!

Sukate-10/10 I just love how the siggy looks like its matted paper or something!

Radical Dreamer - Advatar - 5/10 - It has borders, good. The picture seems pretty relaxing, but the guy... I dont know it seems to me that guy is a bit.. creepy. Nothing personal.

Signature - 6.5/10 - Pretty good signature. Good colors, and it goes well with the advatar (even though the advatar looks a bit creepy)

Lol, I just needed a Ava that goes with the Siggy so I picked a picture from the cover of the first DVD...I think it looks fine O_o The only realy problem I have is with the Siggy. Right before the girl with the funny looking nose the off white background shifts to a darker shade..Ill fix it later

Hiei-
Ava-9/10 I like the picture, its a nice looking guy and hes beefy, but the background is solid black.

Siggy-10/10 Nothing wrond with it. I enjoy B&W sets better then colors to tell the truth, and I like how theres a slash of color in the corner.

Unless you fixed it before I posted, I can't really tell a difference in the backround.

erm..Right before you see the girl who's looking into the left side, you should see its darker then where the girl who playing with the birds. Or compare the area between the girl and the boy to the area under "RahXephon". Its darker.

Yeah I'm working on the Avi to match my sig too, I just didn't realize that it was a 9/10 worth workmanship

Radical Dreamer: 9/10 (Not familiar with the Anime, but the set looks good.)
Sondagger: 10/10 (Very nice! Who's the catgirl and what Anime is she from?)

..Cat girl? They are all from RahXephon, the worlds best anime. I havent seen the girl in the middle yet though...

Edwin-
Ava-9/10 Only problem, its out dated
Siggy-9/10 Only problem, its out dated

As you can see, the only problem is its out dated. I will gladly make you a new set :P:poke: OKAY!?:poke:

Woot! I got a new set! What does everyone think?

A green jingly thing! I think it looks quite pretty, nice text and background - the green girl's a bit odd but she fits with the pink one ;)

7/10!

I am STILL in the process of making sumomo green. I have been working on it for almost a week now but whenever I think I am making any headway I find another little thing that I want to fix! XD

Well.. it's very YAY!!!-ish XD I'd say 7/10 also.

Noir7 has his Hellsing set back ;)

@Squig: the set is overall pretty good. just need to work that little bit on the greenness. 7.5/10

i'm thinking of changing my set that absorbed a chunk of my life... i'll bring it back another time.

all the sigs and avatars are soo pretty..oh and the green avatar and siggie.. i'll give it a 7.5/10 ^_^

Well, yopu already have it up :P

TeeHee-9/10 Nothing person (actualy it is) but seeing how im used to anime/manga etc sets..And yours is just glowy nice erotic text....I still like it! I wouldnt have given it a 9 if I didnt :P

Very unique. I like it. =] 7/10

Yo,

my first self-made sig, tnx to the how to make a sig tutorial on this forum :) thankies.
I donno if its fucked up I just mixed some effects and stuff an this came out :) avatar doesn't match te sig -point hmmm :P

bye and cyall
Stinger

oh shit didn't put my sig in the 'signature' button but with the profile picture button :heh: stupid me

hope the sig will stand under here now:

So.. where is it? :unsure:

E- nevermind.

:D YEAH :D

19stinger91
ava 8/10
sig 9/10

Urahara is sexy... ^_^ that's the dude on my set :P

Cursed Angel: 7/10
19stinger91: 6.5/10

I like them both, they just seem to be missing something...

Paradox's set is pretty cool actually, but Sakurah's still flawless.

Stop staring at my set and look at my entire forum name. XD

Sarkurah.
(sorry for being offtopic)

Geez.. I love it o.o 10/10

Ketsurui:

Adv - 6/10
Sig - 5.5/10 - I dont know why, but it looks like that picture looks a bit stretched IMO.

Yo,

made a new sig. here it is:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/19stinger91/648677ba.jpg

PLZ Tell me which I should use: this one or my earlier? (so which is the nicest)

bye and cyall
Stinger

its pretty good. looks better then the old one, i have to say. it seems to be missing something... but i can't put my finger on what it is. 7/10

MysteryED-9/10 I like it alot, but the border is rounded, and the white leftover still shows..Is there a way you could make it so it shows the forground color, with that checkerboard thingy? Im not being so technical here..

1991-8/10 I like it, but the border isnt solid, and theres that funny brick thingy >_>...

i kinda did that on purpose, but i see what you are saying. if i can be bothered sometime, i'll fix it up.

Also, i'm giving your set 8.5/10. its nice and simple, but the border really annoys me for some reason. its too simple. but still very good

New set!

Mystery_editor>

Ava> 7/10 a bit plain, and looks a but cut off?
Sig> 9/10 I like the aimated part of it esp! nice boarder :O

Sukari-9/10 I love it and I wish I had the talent to figure out how to put 2 images into one thingy...The only problem is that cut off in the ava's border..I dont like it >_>

@Sukari: It's nice. The corner thingy on your avatar is weird though, at least for me XD

^ plain and a very nice background that matches the character, not to flashy. so 8/10 =]

More like a small banner then an oversized signature. I made it say Sakura instead though for a different forum. :whistle:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/maisig2copy.jpg

Or it could still be a gaint siggy. I like the effects you did with it, but its landscaped which is sorta akward..*tilts head*

9/10

^ 9/10 for both, I think it's coz of my love of blue, it has a nice blend too!! :D!

New signatures! Well not for this forum =P for a 'Maple Story' forum maybe:

this is based on my char:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/Sukari/ZhuBubSig.jpg

this is based on my friend's:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b140/Sukari/MuuBao.jpg

hey, they look pretty good! although the icons are essential, they are a little cluttering. not much you can do about that, though :heh: 7.5/10

*does the new set dance* This new one was a toughie - here's the original image:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/madmazda86/OriginalHameln.jpg

As you can see, I had to extend it out and it took foreeeeverrrrr x_x

Btw, Sukari, your Maple Story sets are really cool! Loved the text in the second one XD

av: 8/10
sig: 9/10

Lovely set =]

The quality of the picture seems to be declining since you first changed it. :/

As for mine, I should have saved it as a png. Stupid jpg.

aww what's wrong with my corner xP

@Sondagger, what would've happened if you saved as a .png =O

The picture would have come out sharper. I'd remake it, but I'm too lazy. =P

Yeah..Ive allways wondered what file type is recomended for sets? Ive been using BMP for the siggy and the higest quality allowed of JEPG for the ava O_O

RD:
av: 7/10 (border's too plainish xX)
Sig: 9/10 (Simplicity = good =P)

MysEd:
Av: 6/10 (plain, and I'm not so sure on the border...:\)
Sig: 9/10 (Animated! :o Plus, the text is easy to read and... well touching :whistle: )

EDIT: :sweat: whoops, forgot someone XD

Maz:
Av: 8/10 (nothing too complicated or simple)
Sig: 9/10 (10/10 for effort in resizing the pic though :P, could use a little clarity...)

The picture would have come out sharper. I'd remake it, but I'm too lazy. =P

Yeh, I saved mine as .GIF.. so that's why it's dotty

*does the new set dance* This new one was a toughie - here's the original image:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v433/madmazda86/OriginalHameln.jpg

As you can see, I had to extend it out and it took foreeeeverrrrr x_x

Btw, Sukari, your Maple Story sets are really cool! Loved the text in the second one XD


How in the world did you extend that??? Did you draw the rest? x_x. Goob job, Maz, Good job.

Yeah..Ive allways wondered what file type is recomended for sets? Ive been using BMP for the siggy and the higest quality allowed of JEPG for the ava O_O

I use the .png format for both the siggy and avatar. You could however get nearly the same result by using high quality jpeg with Photoshop :)

Anyways.. I see too many Advent Children sets. It's almost annoying me now <_<

Anyways.. I see too many Advent Children sets. It's almost annoying me now

I know they're annoyingly common but I saw the image and I thought it was purdy :wub: I'll probably change it soon anyway but uh yeah. Feel free not to rate me that's not why I posted in here lol I really want to know how Mazzie did her siggy :heh:

I use the .png format for both the siggy and avatar. You could however get nearly the same result by using high quality jpeg with Photoshop :)

Too bad I don't have photoshop. GIMP is what I use. Smaller (in MB) and nearly (but not as) good.

Sondagger's set.

Advatar - 7/10
Sig - 8/10

I know they're annoyingly common but I saw the image and I thought it was purdy :wub: I'll probably change it soon anyway but uh yeah. Feel free not to rate me that's not why I posted in here lol I really want to know how Mazzie did her siggy :heh:

LOL, well, it involved a lot of fiddling around in MS Paint, nicking textures from other parts of Hamel's cloak and kinda cobbling them together to make the rest of it going over his shoulder. Same kinda deal with his arm as well, I selected the bit of it with the highlight and just kinda copied and pasted it over and over while moving it around till I had the whole arm. It sounds simple when I explain it but it actually took hours x_x Still, it was worth it :D Background was nice and easy too, just a matter of extending the lines that were already there. I'm not good with Photoshop so I tend to do the bulk of it in Paint and then do things like text, blurring the messy texturing etc in Photoshop :) (it tends to crash my computer if I mess around with the filters too much)

Maz's set

Adv - 5/10
Sig - 6/10

And back comes the wolf..

Hiei
Ava-7/10 It goes with the AZNLONEWOLF thingy..but it just dont match the set, so there is no set.
Sig-10/10 Sexy

Maz
Ava-10/10 No comment
Sig-9/10 I dont really like the background colors.

Sond
Ava-10/10 Just amasing, I love the image!
Sig-9/10 I love the quality of the resize! But the red in Sondager and the border is really dark, you can bearly see it.

Fob
Ava-9/10 Eye candy
Siggy-9/10 My only complaint is that the image is a bit blurry. I love the simplicity of the set.

Noir7
Ava-10/10 SUPER!
Sig-10/10 One of the best sets Ive ever seen. I love the background effect because it just doesnt scream "IM PHOTOSHOPED!". Blood splatter..Im going to ask you to make the background for my next set.

Maz: Ava:10/10 Sig:10/10 Simply because it's Violinist of Hameln.

Radical Dreamer: Ava:6/10 Meh... Sig:3/10 I don't get it...

My set is about She and Her Cat, a award winning, very mini anime from the point of veiw of a cat and her depressed, single owner.

Meas-8/10 I just dont like the art.

EDIT: For get this post, I changed my set once agian..

Yay, endgames! :whistle:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/megaava.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/megasigcopy.jpg

I'll be making more Mega Tokyo sets all day. XD

A sig set to parody bLuEgOo's "Demento" set. (Please don't hate me, bg; I just couldn't resist! :heh: )

That just isnt right..But Dr. Demento is fun to listen to :D

A sig set to parody bLuEgOo's "Demento" set. (Please don't hate me, bg; I just couldn't resist! :heh: ) Oh I couldn't hate you, Edwin, I think it's great!!
Sorry for not writing any comments to go with the ratings. Too lazy :sweat:

Sarkurah's set (the b/w one): 8.5/10
RD's set: 8/10
Mae: 10/10
Maz: 9/10
Sondagger: 8.5/10
FOB: 9/10

Edit: I just noticed that the border on my sig is all screwy, I'll go fix that

Sarkurah's set (the b/w one): 7/10 Pretty good... like the 'Level Up' effect XD
RD's set: 9/10 You made that yourself, right? *envyenvyenvy*
Mae: 9.5/10 Those lil' squares kinda put me off :\

As most of you have HOPEFULLY noticed, new set for me :whistle:

Eagle- 9/10 Laeluu did it, what else could I say?

Yup, I made the siggy all by my self :teeth: It wasnt hard, just findd a good sized image of a Plasma TV, magicaly laso the 3 controllers and paste them into the background with Paint and blur it so you cant notice it doesnt fit in :D

Oh my, Laeluu fanboys. She doesn't even have to come here anymore, she has you guys to carress her ego <_<;;

o.o Laeluu did something? o.o

*points to set* Yah, right here...

Sukari: 7/10 Teeeext over face, and that corner scares me :eek:

OKAY!

This, was alot more work then it looks. XD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/squeekava.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/squeeksigcopy.jpg

I'm not very impressed with that one, it was pretty easy besides the text.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/catava.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/catsigcopy.jpg

Finding images for that, was extremely annoying. I was also originally going to have something like "Too much catnip," or "Meow" in the signature, but I just couldn't find any damn room. XD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/hayaava.jpg

Failed here, couldn't find a decent image for the signature. :unsure:

More MT soon. XD

Sarkurah- The first one is my favorite by far. The hamster is the cutest character of all, and the set compliments his features well.

The second set isn't as well done. Both images are cut off at the end and it looks choppy. The avatar is cut off too. Adding the text "Too much catnip" would have been really cute. Its a perfect match for that cat. XD

should "squeek" be replaced with "Squ33k!"? since after all thats what boo says.

BTW I'll have an attempt on a Erika and Nanasawa set.

I'm trying to do the whole crew. XD

I also considered using Squ33k instead, but it didn't look good on the Sig. :unsure:

Sarkurah
those sigs. are cute. :3 you could have chosen a better font, but no worries. 6/10
avas. are cool. simple, but it fits with the image. 7/10

i made these sigs. for another forum. i was planning on using the first one here, but it doesn't match with my ava. &the one that matches is too big. >< lol.
opinions please? (:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/miko_taijiya/OTHER/xxkyoko2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/miko_taijiya/OTHER/sig1.jpg
^not too happy with this one

I like them. I especialy like the background effect! Could you give a turitul on how to do it? I want to use it sometime.

EDIT: My siggy took about 10 hours total to make. The constant re-coloring and resizind took up all my time. It was originaly black and white, I colored it all by me self like the big boy I am. I ususaly take 30 minutes to make my sets, and I dont even have the ava done for this one T_T

Radical Dreamer - Frankly I like the picture better in black-and-white. But if I have to rate it.... I give you 6.5/10 for your sig and 9/10 for your ava (I like the simpleness).

Well, I liked my old set better. I spent so long coloring the image I lost the drive to finish the set and make it look nice.

YellowMonkey
Ava-10/10 What can I say? Its nice and simple, yet the border stops it from being to boring. I love the heart, adds a nive splash of color.

Siggy-9/10 I like it! Its really simple and just a Cut-Paste look makes it nice to look at..

BTW, I was looking through your old art request thread, And you said you had throuble figureing out how to shade metal. Well, its allways brighter on the side facing away from the light, and it allways curves aroung the metal :D

Thanks RD. The new or should I say old sig looks lot better. I give 10/10 for your sig and ava as an individual is 9/10 but together with the sig i give 9.5/10. I think we should also give a rating of both ava and sig together.

Kyoko... ava get's 6/10 and your sig gets 8.5/10 only because it is little bigger. And together you get 7/10 'cause they don't match but you already mentioned that.

7/10..looks odd.. :sweat:

parkme92-

sig- 7.5/10

nice, but there's a sort of a 'emptyness', can't really put my finger on it.

ava- 8/10

just a clean ava, border matches the pic.

Thanks for telling me what was wrong...but I cant see the emptiness...is it the white space??
8.5/10

I them because they're simple, but they're awfully pixelated. If it weren't for the pixels, i would have given them both an 8.5, but since they are pixaly, i give them a 7/10.

I dont have any special programs to do those kind of sigs or avis..
I really like yours..
9.4/10 :)

I dont have any special programs to do those kind of sigs or avis..

Neither do I, and I do okay.

It's not just the program either, it's the quality of the images you use.

this is going a little bit off topic, but why won't it let me have a pic on my sig.? :/ i'm getting really anouyed by it...

oh, and i give sarkurah sig. and avatar a 8/10 couse it lookes kinda weird and cool.

Neither do I, and I do okay.

It's not just the program either, it's the quality of the images you use.

Try using BMP for both Ava and Sig. You wont lose any image quality. The only down side is if theres alot of color, the site may not allow you to up load it because the file size is to big O_O

And you could just ask someone to make the sets for you. But dont complain, I started making sets for people with only Paint. You just need to know how to use it to the max ;) And you could look for PhotoShop on BitTorrent or Kaaza or what ever :D


this is going a little bit off topic, but why won't it let me have a pic on my sig.? :/ i'm getting really anouyed by it...

oh, and i give sarkurah sig. and avatar a 8/10 couse it lookes kinda weird and cool.

Use this tag : URL HERE

Use it by putting the URL where it says URL HERE (duh) but with out spaces between the tag and the URL..

And don't forget to use the nifty preview sig button as well. Just so you know how it's going to look on the forums. :D

Thanks for telling me what was wrong...but I cant see the emptiness...is it the white space??


uuh.. yea I guess thats it... but after a sleep I got another view on thing as when I'm about to going sleep (mood XD).

squiggle-

8.5/10 overall (to lazy to give comment :P )

stinger, I like your style in that sig so 8/10 ! =]

parkme: 9.5/10
THe pictuer rules! the text is too sandy though
RD: wonderful as usual 9/10 its fruity!
Squiggle: 10/10 Plum is soo cute!
Melee: Waii~ its suskae! I like the sig more than the avvie 9/10
DaveX: 8/10 such a busy sig... they all look so evil!
Stinger: 9/10 for sig 5/10 for avvie.. I don't like that dude...

~~
Ok, my new set from Full Moon
Waii~ Thanks to neero for helping me with the sig text
Please Rate~

AH-HA! IM DONE!

Eternal-9/10 Its nice and calm and colorfull, but a bit blurry

Ok, but too faded. 6.5/10

M54:nice job on the blurring! 9/10
RD: heh, Gundam... I'll have to agree on the fading though ._.;; 7/10

W00t! New set. What does everyone think? I didn't particularly like the way the 'q' came out but over all I think the font was the right choice. It's still being cleaned up though.. I need to put a border on still.

You should make the person on the avatar smaller. It seems out of place. Also, thou need borders! ^^;

Aha. Done. Border added and ava resized as per suggestion.

*claps*

@Squiggle: I like your set! 10/10

@Edwin: Nice and simple, but still good! 7/10
@Squig: Its a good set overall, but that border irritates me for some reason. other then that, i love it. 7.5/10
@RD: I agree with what has been said a few times already. its a little lite and faded. it would be better if the images were more... there. 6.5/10

@mystery_editor: "Howl's Moving Castle", right? B) 10/10

Hmmm, may as well find out what people think of my current one, since I have a lot being made at the moment and I have to decide whether to keep this one or use one of my newer ones (currently, I'm quite happy with this one!)

And... the person is from an anime I've never heard of, called I My Me Strawberry Eggs.

@Edwin: Yeah, thats right. i saw it yesterday. it was pretty good, if a little strange. but thats what you get with a ghibli (sp?) film.

@Rantan: Its a nice set. I can't see any way to improve on it, but it seems to be missing something... 9/10

@ran tan: I know what it's missing. That intangible something that just makes it click. In this case I think it's the fact that you aren't at all like that.

@ squiggle
Waiii~ It's so pretty! 10/10 I really like the plum one though...

@ Ran Tan
Such a nice purpley back ground! The girl has a suspicious look though.. 9/10

@Eternal: It is a bit too bland, to the point where Misuki (I think that's who it is) looks a little sickly. Maybe adding an extra ghost layer of the charater would help bring it out more. 8/10

@squiggle: Very refreshing! It reminds me of my picture books I looked at when I was younger. 9/10

@mystery_editor: Nice! the charater doesn't stand out too much, and the background doesn't distract! But the text is too plain of a script for my tastes. 8.7/10

@random_tanget: It is indeed a rare anime title! To comment the girl does looks suspicious; but, if my memory is right, that is how this anime runs (I believe it is Yuri) 8.2/10


:rukia: Finally after 2 1/2 years a new sig! Only problem: It looks like crap under the pink skin here!

I bet my sig looks stupid...or its going to get a bad rating...maybe I should make another one...

^Actually it lookes pretty good. It uses water colors so it isn't too busy, and meshing is nice. Only real complaint is the 5 pixel boarder (HUGE) and that the text could be placed somewhere so that the messge could get accross better. 7.8/10

Mies: Advatar : 5/10
Sig: 4/10 (I dont like the sig >.>)

Mine... (I know, boring signature...)

dominate-6/10 (it makes sense lol)

mies-8/10(i love your siggie!)

Yes... I thought it was remarkably true.

8.2/10? I don't really know....

9/10

i love ur sigs!

Hurrah. :unsure:
This one kinda took awhile and I made three avatars for no reason. :mellow:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/Lunaava.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/Lunaava2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/Lunaava3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Sarkurah/Lunasigcopy.png

Inspiration.

Thanks.

wow. they're really good...

they certainly are! you could always rotate the avatars whenever you feel like it, just for variety :D 9/10

the avatar in the middle does look rotated.....or maybe im just high. but same diff...

mysed's set: 9/10

its really beautiful..

Your siggy looks a bit to big....I dont know!

8/10 only because it looks weird..the image you used is weird I mean.

lol its def. too big, but im too lazy to edit it!

RD-9/10

i like the whole "ready to battle" scene...thingy..

Radical Dreamer, i like ur set and stiff. if is really nice and well done. It is reallt clear. (unlike mine) lol

I give it a 9/10

Radical Dreamer
ava - It seems like you're always changing your ava and sig. I say this one deserves a 7/10 cause it is kinda small.
sig - I love it. I think it's one of the best one you had so far. I love how it is skinny and long. 9.8/10

Inbetween
ava - I think that's mickey mouse I'm seeing. I'm just guessing since your sig looks like it has something to do with Kingdom Hearts. 6/10 due to the fact that I had hard time figuring it out.
sig - I think there is too much going on. I like the font for the word "Inbetween" and also the fact that it's one word. 8.5/10

yellowmonkey-

avatar-very fitting of your name 9/10

sig-what can i say? your drawings are amazing. may as well incorporate them into your sig. 9/10

Ok, I went crazy and made a bunch of "Howl's Moving Castle" sets.

The first set is of the doggy in it 'cept can't remember its name ^^;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Salex/Sigs%20and%20avs/HowlsDogAva.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Salex/Sigs%20and%20avs/HowlsDogSig.jpg

The next is a set featuring the castle and Turnip Head the enchanted scarecrow!

I made three avatars coz I couldn't decide which one to choose >_< But that's what you're going to help me with! The first Ava is my preference though... but i'm open to all comment! :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Salex/Sigs%20and%20avs/HowlsTurnipheadAva.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Salex/Sigs%20and%20avs/HowlsCastleAva.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Salex/Sigs%20and%20avs/HowlsTHCastleAva.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v339/Salex/Sigs%20and%20avs/HowlsMovingCastleSig.jpg

they are nice sets inu! the 1st set is really good, nice and simple, and as such, not too busy. 9.5/10
The second set is a little blurry, and i much prefer the other one. i'd probably go with the 1st avvy for the set if you choose it. 7.5/10

@mysed: I just found a wwaayyy better picture from the second set. so clear. I'll probably end up using both sets XD

edit:

ok, I made new sets for Spiky and I. Whaddya think? n_n It's Jack and Sally from Tim Burton's AWESOME "The Nightmare Before Christmas"

*shakes head* it's not Tim Burton... it just has his hands inspiring it :lol:

8/10 for them both, simplisiticly good :D

it is tim burton! directors are everything! 9/10

NO! NOT HOMESTAR RUNNER! I thought I blocked that site 3 years ago!

10/10 Its great art. Its simple and looks like it was made just for a canvas that size..I just dont like HSR

But that didn't get in your way of rating did it? :lol:

Av: 8/10 (Nice transparency...Lemme guess, Photoshop?)
Sig: 9/10 Transparency...amazingness...overload... *brain explodes in awe*

Photoshop, yup. It was extreamly simple. I find two gundam images and post them onto the canvas with no ocapasy twickage. I then find a nice looking sheet music scan with not to much going on, but not to little. I post it with 50% ocapasy and 65% fill. Then I just post an image of Amuro over all of it, add a border and done :D

Eagle

ava 10/10 Laeluu did it! And the torn effect is nice!

sig 9/10 same here, but it doesnt look right..O_o